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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5098 United States 09/04/2005 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone has the opinion that someone screwed up. No. It went according to plan: RedDawn 2:34 pm Meet the Press with Tim Russert, Sunday 9-4-05 Chertoff: And one last point I´d make is this, Tim. We had actually prestaged a tremendous number of supplies, meals, shelter, water. We had prestaged, even before the hurricane, dozens of Coast Guard helicopters, which were obviously nearby but not in the area. So the difficulty wasn´t lack of supplies. (They should have been IN the shelters) RedDawn 2:40 Speaking to "Larry King Live" on August 31, in the wake of Katrina, Brown said, "That Category 4 hurricane caused the same kind of damage that we anticipated. So we planned for it two years ago. Last year, we exercised it. And unfortunately this year, we´re implementing it." Brown suggested FEMA -- part of the Department of Homeland Security -- was carrying out a prepared plan, rather than having to suddenly create a new one. (They carried it out EXACTLY as planned....read Operation Garden Plot...and it happened just that way) Plan: Operation Garden Plot |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1538 Canada 09/04/2005 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The draft of a 14´ to a 24´ boat would be negligible. A 17´ run about boat is probably the most common size among the small speedboats, that´s why the 16´ arbitrary cut off size. The outboard motor draws more water than the boat hull itself. Strange. They are afraid to risk what amounts to someone cutting their finger, while that someone is in the act of saving someone´s life. The assholes are tying your hands at every step. |
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B User ID: 197 United States 09/04/2005 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I also watched Tim Russert, and he put a lot of the blame on local government. They knew that the people would evacuate to the superdome, and yet there wasn´t water, food or cots ready for those that came. Also, the local government knew that the poor didn´t have money or means to get out. So why wasn´t there buses, trains to get them out before the storm arrived? The mayor was on Tim´s show and he shows up looking immaculate. He sure found a safe place. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19050 United States 09/04/2005 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All that stupid blaming and criticism aren´t that helpful to anybody. You´re thinking it was just a fuck-up, but the problem is that the Bush administration is nothing but a series of fuck-ups. After a while the pattern begins to emerge that´s it´s not a fuck-up, but it was planned that way. "We didn´t know".. isn´t a good enough answer at his level. If he/they weren´t smart enough for the job, why did they run for it? I expect genius level work, and we are probably getting it. Except that their goals aren´t the same as ours. |
troubledog (OP) User ID: 5729 United States 09/04/2005 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "All that stupid blaming and criticism aren´t that helpful to anybody." Maybe, but in these cases, it NOT JUST a case of the Government being unprepared & slow to respond. That kind of criticism COULD wait till later. People need to be accountable here because, BESIDES BEING INEFFECTIVE, FEMA HINDERED & PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM BEING RESCUED & PEOPLE DIED. They died because people in positions of authoriy STOPPED OTHER PEOPLE FROM SAVING THEM. If even one person dies because of red tape its a travesty. Next time it could be you or me who die. |
troubledog (OP) User ID: 5729 United States 09/04/2005 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | & NOW THE AUTHORITIES ARE DOWNRIGHT KILLING PEOPLE! [link to msnbc.msn.com] Police kill at least 5 in New Orleans Army Corps of Engineers says the victims were contractors fixing a canal By BREAKING NEWS Updated: 6:14 p.m. ET Sept. 4, 2005 NEW ORLEANS - Police shot eight people carrying guns on a New Orleans bridge Sunday, killing five or six, a deputy chief said. A spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers said the victims were contractors on their way to repair a canal. The contractors were walking across a bridge on their way to launch barges into Lake Pontchartrain to fix the 17th Street Canal, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Corps. Earlier Sunday, New Orleans Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people, killing five or six. Story continues below ↓ advertisement The shootings took place on the Danziger Bridge, which spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River. No other details were immediately available. This breaking story will be updated. troubledog |
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salimandr nli User ID: 5465 United States 09/04/2005 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ""We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," he said. That government officials can´t straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they´re just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said." sad, sad, state of affairs. |
I Am He User ID: 79 United States 09/04/2005 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Troubledog, I see your knoweleg about FEMA is very limited. You posted wrong info about the Police shooting the wrong people before you had all the facts. You are also ranting about FEMA without all the facts. FEAM is not the Org it once was. The Dept of Home Land Security now runs FEMA. So I suggest that before you put your head even more up your ass, you shoud hold back your uneducated bias. :"I see you´re playing stupid again, looks like you´re winning": |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5098 United States 09/04/2005 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 51, you aren´t too knowledgeable about FEMA, either! You probably didn´t even check out the website that DETAILS what this is all about. Homeland Security is an umbrella for many agencies that work like a hand in a glove: the FBI, CIA, and the military, but it is FEMA who controls the operations, having been given the power to suspend the Constitution! What is the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Simply put, it is the "secret government". This agency has powers and authority that go well beyond any other agency in the nation. What can FEMA do? It can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and can hold them without a trial. It can seize property, food supplies, and transportation systems. And it can even suspend the Constitution of the United States. [link to www.freedomfiles.org] Now go get yourself informed here and read the whole thing. Don´t cheat. There will be a test: [link to www.whatreallyhappened.com] . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1326 Japan 09/04/2005 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.overspun.com] [link to thinkprogress.org] “One of the Worst Abandonments of Americans on American Soil Ever” The president of Jefferson Parish in New Orleans, Aaron Broussard, just issued an emotional appeal on NBC’s Meet the Press. By the end, he was completely broken down, sobbing uncontrollably: [Crooks and Liars, as always, has the video.] RUSSERT: You just heard the director of homeland security’s explanation of what has happened this last week. What is your reaction? BROUSSARD: We have been abandoned by our own country. Hurricane Katrina will go down in history as one of the worst storms ever to hit an American coast. But the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst abandonments of Americans on American soil ever in U.S. history. … Whoever is at the top of this totem pole, that totem pole needs to be chainsawed off and we’ve got to start with some new leadership. It’s not just Katrina that caused all these deaths in New Orleans here. Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now. Broussard then discussed the difficulties local authorities had with FEMA, including one case where they actually posted armed guards to keep FEMA from cutting their communications lines: Three quick examples. We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn’t need them. This was a week ago. FEMA, we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. When we got there with our trucks, FEMA says don’t give you the fuel. Yesterday — yesterday — FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards and said no one is getting near these lines… Finally, Broussard told the tragic personal story of a colleague, and broke down: I want to give you one last story and I’ll shut up and let you tell me whatever you want to tell me. The guy who runs this building I’m in, Emergency Management, he’s responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, “Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?” and he said, “Yeah, Mama, somebody’s coming to get you.” Somebody’s coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Friday… and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night! [Sobbing] Nobody’s coming to get us. Nobody’s coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybody’s promised. They’ve had press conferences. I’m sick of the press conferences. For god’s sakes, just shut up and send us somebody. |
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ac User ID: 3035 Australia 09/05/2005 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FEMA did NOT stuff up...in fact everything is going according to PLAN...read on.. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see this is a MAJOR disater for the WHOLE WORLD!! STOP AND THINK about it. BILLIONS of gallons of virus and bacteria infested SLUSH mixed with just aboout every nasty chemical known to man left to stew in the humidity and the heat for WEEKS!! AFTER which it has has time to fester in squalid putrefecation...they then pump this WHOLE TOXIC BREW OF LUQUID DEATH IN TO AN ALREADY DYING OCEAN. From there whatever germs were in the water will SPREAD to the whole WORLD. sucked up into the clouds and rained down all over the globe. Distributed by ocean currents infecting the ENTIRE FOOD CHAIN from the bottom right to the very TOP...your DINNER TABLE. There will be a WORLD WIDE PANDEMIC OF UNPRECEDENTED PROPORTIONS...AS PROPHESIED AND FORSEEN....and now you know how it will come about. and just think....THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST DISASTER...there will be many many more by this time next year. In the meantime the "survivors" of Nawlins will be spreading whatever THEY have contracted around the US and the WORLD. ANYONE who was there is now INFECTED with at least ONE disease...and it will only get MUCH MUCH WORSE. My advice is...STOCK UP>>>GET AWAY FROM ALL CITIES AS THEY WILL SOON BE MASS GRAVES>>>>AND GET RIGHT WITH GOD!!! THIS IS THE REAL DEAL AND THERE IS NOW NO TURNING BACK. Just TRY to debunk THIS!!! |
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