| Users Online Now: 2,314 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 1,175,087 | |
| Pageviews Today: 1,962,269 | Threads Today: 812 | Posts Today: 14,042 |
| 06:57 PM | ||
| Users Online Now: 2,314 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 1,175,087 | |
| Pageviews Today: 1,962,269 | Threads Today: 812 | Posts Today: 14,042 |
| 06:57 PM | ||
Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 790968  Czechia05/23/2011 07:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On May 20th (Friday), C/2010 X1 (Elenin) passed within 0.002 AUs of an asteroid in the asteroid belt known as 1999 RQ176 (asteroid number 74732). The name designates when it was found and in what order. This asteroid is several magnitudes dimmer than Elenin itself. In order to determine if it was still where it should be after the encounter, I purchased telescope time from a civilian telescope in the Canary Islands. Quoting: AstronutAs expected, it's faint as hell, and this was with a telescope as large as GLP's new main scope (different optical design though). First, here's the image of 1999 RQ176. Elenin's clearly visible on the right end of the image as well. [link to flickr.com] The purple sheen is just due to white balance issues. Asteroid 1999 RQ176 is just barely visible. This is actually a stack of 4 exposures from the telescope, the first exposure ending at 22:34:31 GMT May 21st. Elenin's position was predicted to be 10h 27m 32.27s, +08d 09' 03.5". According to astrometry, it was detected at 10h 27m 32s, +08d 09' 04", well within the 2.15 arcsecond per pixel resolution of the image. Asteroid 1999 RQ176 was predicted to be at 10h 28m 35.60s, +08d 05' 23.1". According to the same astrometry, it was actually detected at 10h 28m 36s, +08d 05' 23", again right on the money and within the resolution of the image. Elenin failed to detectably perturb this little asteroid at all despite encountering it at a very close distance of 0.002 AUs and even pelting it with its tail as it passed between the asteroid and sun during that close approach. Here's a simulation showing the encounter: [link to i319.photobucket.com] I hope this sets some of your minds at ease. I'm well aware that some, perhaps many here, will choose to believe Elenin is an imminent threat to earth no matter what, but if you're willing to look you'll see it's really just a harmless minor comet. U are such a hard nut and sorry, I can't believe that U are serious. Dot. And hard. |
Least Servant  User ID: 1062754  United States05/23/2011 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36898Then you really need to get a life. Have you tried Facebook? WWW.FACEBOOK.COM A google search would have brought up any facebook hits. The only hits I got were of astro and this post on GLP. So now you're trying to find my life outside of GLP? Why are you trying to stalk me? I suspect that one day one of you is going to go too far and harass me outside the forum, then I will leave and you'll get your wish, but be careful what you wish for. I guess some would rather have their fantasies than know the truth. You are stepping on the toes of web marketers peddling their crap in relation to this that is why they do not like the truth. Just think of the stupid Camping doomsday how many tshirts that guy sold 12000 I think. ^^this Last Edited by Least Servant on 05/23/2011 09:32 AM :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
| NewAthena User ID: 1396821 United States05/23/2011 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro great contribution to an informative conversation. As someone who worked at Stennis Space Center in Mississippi, I recommend folks take a cautious approach to counter opinions. The science supports many of the concerns surrounding ELEnin. The lack of disclosure is where you should put your efforts vs fighing amongst yourself over an issue that mankind can not affect. |
| Setheory User ID: 869850 United States05/23/2011 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro great contribution to an informative conversation. As someone who worked at Stennis Space Center in Mississippi, I recommend folks take a cautious approach to counter opinions. The science supports many of the concerns surrounding ELEnin. Quoting: NewAthena 1396821Then it should be a simple task to list the “concerns” that surround Elenin and site the said science supporting those concerns. The ball is in your court… |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1307635 United States05/23/2011 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Menow User ID: 1389340 United States05/23/2011 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Skepicle but concerned User ID: 1397579 United States05/23/2011 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is exactly what I have been waiting for. If it were massive it would have noticable affects on other bodies. Especially if it were massive enough to cause the earthquakes while it was so far away. So, now the question is, if not Elenin then why was the events on or about the alignment dates? Could there be somthing else behind Elenin? Doesnt most of the comets come from the direction of the ort cloud? Could it be whatever is causing those comets to come from that direction? |
| Menow User ID: 1389340 United States05/23/2011 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is exactly what I have been waiting for. If it were massive it would have noticable affects on other bodies. Especially if it were massive enough to cause the earthquakes while it was so far away. Quoting: Skepicle but concerned 1397579So, now the question is, if not Elenin then why was the events on or about the alignment dates? Could there be somthing else behind Elenin? Doesnt most of the comets come from the direction of the ort cloud? Could it be whatever is causing those comets to come from that direction? What were these alleged "alignment dates"? I mean, how many time can three objects in space "align"? |
| Setheory User ID: 869850 United States05/24/2011 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing- You and all you folks in here are looking at this thing from a PHYSICAL viewpoint. I am looking at it from a SPIRITUAL viewpoint. In other words, you see solid matter- I see a lot of space. Who is really correct? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093677How does one "look at" an asteroid or comet from a spiritual point of view? Walk us through the process please. |
| Gazmik User ID: 487277 United States05/24/2011 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing- You and all you folks in here are looking at this thing from a PHYSICAL viewpoint. I am looking at it from a SPIRITUAL viewpoint. In other words, you see solid matter- I see a lot of space. Who is really correct? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093677How does one "look at" an asteroid or comet from a spiritual point of view? Walk us through the process please. Does it involve standing on one's head and looking at it upside down? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1333816 United States05/24/2011 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1333816 United States05/24/2011 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1333816 thanks for the reply over there astronut |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1398802  Ireland05/24/2011 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is exactly what I have been waiting for. If it were massive it would have noticable affects on other bodies. Especially if it were massive enough to cause the earthquakes while it was so far away. Quoting: Skepicle but concerned 1397579So, now the question is, if not Elenin then why was the events on or about the alignment dates? Could there be somthing else behind Elenin? Doesnt most of the comets come from the direction of the ort cloud? Could it be whatever is causing those comets to come from that direction? What were these alleged "alignment dates"? I mean, how many time can three objects in space "align"? Whatever you're being paid - it's not worth it....you're drowning amongst a mountain of enquiries without any information yourself to enlighten those who genuinly would like to become more informed. Give it up. Your agenda is obvious. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1268825 United States05/24/2011 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1398822 United States05/24/2011 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1363067 United States05/24/2011 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ASTRO, if your not a shill then take a week off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390726whats one week gonna do? come on. When all else fails, try to get the other person to shut up. Interesting approach, but still the same general goal. Fine. I promise not to post anything online for 1 week. We'll see just if this stops the "shill" cries after I return. I'm sure it won't. Oh, and prepare to be vilified by others as you just prevented me from being able to broadcast ISS and the shuttle for GLP this week. Good going. I will not post until next Monday. Have a nice week! Aww - see what you guys done? Astro is serious too..he hasnt posted since this post of this. Did it ever dawn on any of you that maybe Astro just happens to have a big passion for Astronomy? Maybe he also likes to get into forum debates too...you know that is sorta fun and addicting as well..i know i been there done that. If Astro is a shill..that will be revealed "very" soon but until then..maybe you all should just chill on the name calling. I know its not fun being called something your not..what if Astro isnt a shill? Are you gonna feel bad when the truth comes out? Seriously? |
| zacksavage User ID: 941943 United States05/24/2011 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Scepticle but concerned User ID: 1397579 United States05/24/2011 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is the only one I have found that actually went through the trouble to try to verify this thing! So then he gets hammered. I guess it's better to just pass on what you read and make it up as you go. Thats exactly what gives these sites a bad name. I could make a case for freakin bigfoot but that don't make it so. It's almost like the attitude of mainstream science when confronted with somthing they cant explain. This is Exactly what can prove or disprove this thing. I'm not convinced one way or another, but I would like to see some more reports on any possable gravitational effects on other bodies near us. If it were enough to cause earthquakes, wouldn't it affect the tides? And wouldnt the moon cause earthquakes....just trying to figure out if I need to run for the hills. At what point would we Know for a fact. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1398802 Ireland05/24/2011 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is the only one I have found that actually went through the trouble to try to verify this thing! So then he gets hammered. Quoting: Scepticle but concerned 1397579I guess it's better to just pass on what you read and make it up as you go. Thats exactly what gives these sites a bad name. I could make a case for freakin bigfoot but that don't make it so. It's almost like the attitude of mainstream science when confronted with somthing they cant explain. This is Exactly what can prove or disprove this thing. I'm not convinced one way or another, but I would like to see some more reports on any possable gravitational effects on other bodies near us. If it were enough to cause earthquakes, wouldn't it affect the tides? And wouldnt the moon cause earthquakes....just trying to figure out if I need to run for the hills. At what point would we Know for a fact. When it's too late and alrady happening - that's if you rely on the MSM for your info....and er...astronut and co. Silly he's not replying to his own thread - does he normally take 'name calling' so seriously? Petty behaviour for someone so 'passionate' about his subject. Time to find a thread that actually provides ACCURATE information regarding Elenin. |
| zacksavage User ID: 941943 United States05/24/2011 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When it's too late and alrady happening - that's if you rely on the MSM for your info....and er...astronut and co. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1398802Silly he's not replying to his own thread - does he normally take 'name calling' so seriously? Petty behaviour for someone so 'passionate' about his subject. Time to find a thread that actually provides ACCURATE information regarding Elenin. Hell no,...he has been called much worse than anything here for years and years. Does not phase him. Oh the Drama!!! Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 364476  Canada05/24/2011 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1398802 Silly he's not replying to his own thread - does he normally take 'name calling' so seriously? Petty behaviour for someone so 'passionate' about his subject. Yes that is his usual M.O.. All the openmindedness of a dead oyster. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1398914 United States05/24/2011 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1397405  United Kingdom05/24/2011 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1397405 United Kingdom05/24/2011 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I simple typed in a google search to see if other astronomers had made this observation and I couldn't find any but you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372566Have you considered that the reason is because c/2010 X1 is too insignificant for them to put the effort in just to pacify a few woo-woos on conspiracy web sites? You'd just claim that they were paid to lie, anyway. So that leaves 2 possibilities, either Astronut is the smartest most talented astronomer in the known world, or he's wrong. Yes, I wonder which one it is. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1395780 United States05/24/2011 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sure Astronut will feel vindicated in a few months when Elenin proves to be just another minor comet. I know he will appreciate all the apologies he will receive from the comet-tards who have branded him a shill and liar. A lot of you were pretty hard on Ice the other day, when the rapture prediction failed. I can't wait to call out some of you as mega-morans when Astronut is shown to be 100% correct about Elenin. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1398177 United States05/24/2011 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Astronomical alignments as the cause of ~M6+ seismicity Mensur Omerbashich, Cornell University Library (Submitted on 11 Apr 2011) [link to lanl.arxiv.org] Leonid Elenin's website [link to spaceobs.org] Is there a relationship Between conjunctions of Comet Elenin and earthquakes...? [link to spaceobs.org] May 4th, 2011 Planetary Alignments With Comet Elenin Causing Big Earthquakes /beforeitsnews .com /story/609/431/Planetary_Alignments_With_Comet_Elenin_Causing_Big_Earthquakes.html Past Alignments Date Location Magnitude Elenin - Earth - Sun Feb 20 2008 Indonesia 7.4 Elenin - Earth - Sun Feb 25 2008 Indonesia 7.2 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 12 2008 China 7.9 Elenin - Earth - Sun Feb 18 2009 Kermadic Islands 7.0 Elenin - Earth -Jupiter May 18 2009 Los Angeles, US 4.7 Elenin - Mercury- Earth July 15 2009 New Zealand 7.8 Elenin - Mercury - Earth Aug 09 2009 Japan 7.1 Elenin - Sun - Earth Sept 09 2009 Sunola islands 8.1 Elenin - Earth - Venus Feb 18 2010 China/RU/N.Korea 6.9 Elenin - Earth-Sun Feb 25 2010 China 5.2 Elenin - Earth-Sun Feb 26 2010 Japan 7.0 Elenin - Earth- Sun Feb 27 2010 Chile 8.8 [Earth knocked off axis] Elenin - Earth- Sun Feb 27 2010 Argentina 6.3 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 04 2010 Taiwan 6.3 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 04 2010 Vanuatu 6.5 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 05 2010 Chile 6.6 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 05 2010 Indonesia 6.3 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 08 2010 Turkey 6.1 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 05 2010 Indonesia 6.6 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 06 2010 Chile 6.2 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 09 2010 Indonesia 7.2 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 14 2010 Algeria 5.2 Elenin - Earth - Jupiter Jan 03 2011 Chile 7.0 Elenin - Earth - Sun March 11 2011 Japan 9.0 [Earth knocked off axis] ########################################################## Future Elenin Allurements: Future Alignments Date Note Elenin- Mercury - Mars - Earth Sept 06 2011 Mercury - Sun - Elenin Sept 25 2011 Sun - Elenin - Jupiter Oct 11 2011 Elenin 0.246au from Earth; that’s a quarter of the distance to the sun. Oct 17 2011 Elenin closet to earth 0.232au Oct 20 2011 Elenin will enter Earth orbit and we will experience a gravitational pull. Nov 02 2011 Earth enter Elenins tail/ previous path Venus - Earth- Elenin - Mercury Nov 11 2011 Sun - Mercury - Earth - Elenin Dec 04 2011 Mars - Elenin - Jupiter Dec 25 2011 Last Alignment Elenin - Earth - Sun Dec 21 2012 this... dont listen to astronutjob, hes a paid government shill. i havent read all this thread but can anyone else verify what he said from any other source or is it just him saying it? these quakes are happening on alignment...thats a fact, not some dodgy images from a known shills own scope! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1339701 United States05/24/2011 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i havent read all this thread but can anyone else verify what he said from any other source or is it just him saying it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1398177astronut discussing the topic with other astronomers [link to sydneystargazers.com] |
| Ozicell User ID: 1399044  Australia05/24/2011 08:26 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astronomical alignments as the cause of ~M6+ seismicity Mensur Omerbashich, Cornell University Library (Submitted on 11 Apr 2011) [link to lanl.arxiv.org] Leonid Elenin's website [link to spaceobs.org] Is there a relationship Between conjunctions of Comet Elenin and earthquakes...? [link to spaceobs.org] May 4th, 2011 Planetary Alignments With Comet Elenin Causing Big Earthquakes /beforeitsnews .com /story/609/431/Planetary_Alignments_With_Comet_Elenin_Causing_Big_Earthquakes.html Past Alignments Date Location Magnitude Elenin - Earth - Sun Feb 20 2008 Indonesia 7.4 Elenin - Earth - Sun Feb 25 2008 Indonesia 7.2 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 12 2008 China 7.9 Elenin - Earth - Sun Feb 18 2009 Kermadic Islands 7.0 Elenin - Earth -Jupiter May 18 2009 Los Angeles, US 4.7 Elenin - Mercury- Earth July 15 2009 New Zealand 7.8 Elenin - Mercury - Earth Aug 09 2009 Japan 7.1 Elenin - Sun - Earth Sept 09 2009 Sunola islands 8.1 Elenin - Earth - Venus Feb 18 2010 China/RU/N.Korea 6.9 Elenin - Earth-Sun Feb 25 2010 China 5.2 Elenin - Earth-Sun Feb 26 2010 Japan 7.0 Elenin - Earth- Sun Feb 27 2010 Chile 8.8 [Earth knocked off axis] Elenin - Earth- Sun Feb 27 2010 Argentina 6.3 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 04 2010 Taiwan 6.3 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 04 2010 Vanuatu 6.5 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 05 2010 Chile 6.6 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 05 2010 Indonesia 6.3 Elenin - Earth - Mercury Mar 08 2010 Turkey 6.1 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 05 2010 Indonesia 6.6 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 06 2010 Chile 6.2 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 09 2010 Indonesia 7.2 Elenin - Earth - Neptune May 14 2010 Algeria 5.2 Elenin - Earth - Jupiter Jan 03 2011 Chile 7.0 Elenin - Earth - Sun March 11 2011 Japan 9.0 [Earth knocked off axis] ########################################################## Future Elenin Allurements: Future Alignments Date Note Elenin- Mercury - Mars - Earth Sept 06 2011 Mercury - Sun - Elenin Sept 25 2011 Sun - Elenin - Jupiter Oct 11 2011 Elenin 0.246au from Earth; that’s a quarter of the distance to the sun. Oct 17 2011 Elenin closet to earth 0.232au Oct 20 2011 Elenin will enter Earth orbit and we will experience a gravitational pull. Nov 02 2011 Earth enter Elenins tail/ previous path Venus - Earth- Elenin - Mercury Nov 11 2011 Sun - Mercury - Earth - Elenin Dec 04 2011 Mars - Elenin - Jupiter Dec 25 2011 Last Alignment Elenin - Earth - Sun Dec 21 2012 Not saying the above isn't correct but there is the problem that the Earth gets earthquakes every day somwhere and often of high magnitude! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1333510 United States05/25/2011 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The pictures you posted could be faked, your entire "investigation" could have been fabricated BS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372566That's a serious charge, prove it. My claims are not unfalsifiable; if I were lying, it would be easy to prove it. You can't disprove any of the so called alien footage. Of course it could be fake, you won't get argument from me there. I just see a bias here. You post something it's automatic truth, someone else posts something it's an automatic lie. Just how arrogant are you and your flock of sheep? You don't get it. It's got nothing to do with "automatic" anything. Some people are educated in certain things. This expertise allows the individual to make judgement calls. It's one of the benefits of educating yourself on a certain subject. There's nothing "automatic" about it. That's your spin. |
| TBar1984 User ID: 1254186 United States05/25/2011 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An article from Mr. elenin on the subject; [link to spaceobs.org] "On the image at left, taken 3 hours after closest approach, you can see how close the two objects came. Asteroid 1999 RQ176 is a rather large representative of the Flora family, and has a diameter of about 2.7 km..." |
