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Are GLP christians done? They all believe the same shit!! They have lost any and all validity!!

 
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Hard (lack) Truth just has to get his 2 cents in ( about all itís worth) about the false teaching of Camping,
To those of us that read the Bible we knew it was not as Camping spoke. All of HTís rhetoric is quite funny coming from a person that believes in reincarnation. Yeah, that has lots of credibility! LOL
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Even your christ knew reincarnation is how it works!!

How much credibility do you give him then?


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LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
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Do you know why the law wasn't given to the gentiles?

We didn't need it!!

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law.... (Romans 2:14)

Per your scriptures, it was already in our nature to be good, so, one must ask, why wasn't it in the nature of the jews to be good?


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


seriously????

they asked what sin was committed that CAUSED HIM TO BE BORN BLIND and Jesus answered them none, plain and simple. the man was not born blind as punishment because of something he did or his parents did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


What sin could an unborn have done so as to be blind?

None, so why the question of sin?


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Hard (lack) Truth just has to get his 2 cents in ( about all itís worth) about the false teaching of Camping,
To those of us that read the Bible we knew it was not as Camping spoke. All of HTís rhetoric is quite funny coming from a person that believes in reincarnation. Yeah, that has lots of credibility! LOL
 Quoting: we will see 1162101


Even your christ knew reincarnation is how it works!!

How much credibility do you give him then?


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Oh, but he did!!

John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elijah!!

Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."


Jesus and apostles knew reincarnation is how it works!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


seriously????

they asked what sin was committed that CAUSED HIM TO BE BORN BLIND and Jesus answered them none, plain and simple. the man was not born blind as punishment because of something he did or his parents did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


What sin could an unborn have done so as to be blind?

None, so why the question of sin?


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


because they had been taught by all the religious leaders of their day that they had to earn their salvation. Jesus brought a message to them that was CONTRARY to what the religious leaders had been teaching.

i thought you once claimed Christianity and were involved in a Church. this stuff you are bringing up is not even "Christianity 101" but rather Elementary Sunday School class, with pictures you color and give to your mom.
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Do you know why the law wasn't given to the gentiles?

We didn't need it!!

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law.... (Romans 2:14)

Per your scriptures, it was already in our nature to be good, so, one must ask, why wasn't it in the nature of the jews to be good?


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


seriously????

they asked what sin was committed that CAUSED HIM TO BE BORN BLIND and Jesus answered them none, plain and simple. the man was not born blind as punishment because of something he did or his parents did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


1394866, do you have eye problems or why can you not read what is written?

"And his disciples asked him saying, Master, WHO DID SIN, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" John 9:2

It does not ask WHAT SIN WAS COMMITTED!! It asks WHO SINNED??!! And jesus answered:

"Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents...."

Stop twisting what is written!!
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Hard (lack) Truth just has to get his 2 cents in ( about all itís worth) about the false teaching of Camping,
To those of us that read the Bible we knew it was not as Camping spoke. All of HTís rhetoric is quite funny coming from a person that believes in reincarnation. Yeah, that has lots of credibility! LOL
 Quoting: we will see 1162101


Even your christ knew reincarnation is how it works!!

How much credibility do you give him then?


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Oh, but he did!!

John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elijah!!

Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."


Jesus and apostles knew reincarnation is how it works!!


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL...noooooooooooooo

this is what happens when you cherry pick scriptures, you don't even bother to research original text and you listen to some crazy man.

you come up with these beliefs.

you are doing exactly what you condemned ICE for doing...and the result is the same, you are believing something false.
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Discussing and cussing Religion, fun, however it's like comparing midgets to leprechauns.
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ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


seriously????

they asked what sin was committed that CAUSED HIM TO BE BORN BLIND and Jesus answered them none, plain and simple. the man was not born blind as punishment because of something he did or his parents did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


1394866, do you have eye problems or why can you not read what is written?

"And his disciples asked him saying, Master, WHO DID SIN, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" John 9:2

It does not ask WHAT SIN WAS COMMITTED!! It asks WHO SINNED??!! And jesus answered:

"Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents...."

Stop twisting what is written!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1375359


excuse me, i am not blind nor twisting, i mistyped, but that does not matter.

they asked who had sinned that he was born blind.

i'm assuming you also could read THAT?

the answer is what i said,

the man was not born blind because of a punishment for sin, that is what they asked and Jesus answered them.
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ohno

Are GLP christians done?

They all believe the same shit!!

They have lost any and all validity!!

There will always be, as in the past, someone of this religion settings dates for a second coming, the rapture, gods judgment!!

Its over, get used to it!!







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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



You are incorrect, until your last line. I never believed in a rapture, I never believed "GOD" killed anyone with floods, or tested peoples will to worship him, nor did I ever believe he destroyed cities. I believe that the Bible, and other texts like it, were written by men, and thus much of what others did, perhaps even a slightly more advanced race, was and is still being attributed to God (or, if you wish, the Ominpotent creator of the Multiverse)** As well, one way to try to keep a primitive race in line, and attempt to teach them morals (incorrectly I believe) would be through FEAR right?

I would never believe the GOD of the Multiverse would do 90 percent of what the Bible or other texts using his name differently, attribute to him. Only the most dence, and misguided would believe to this day, that an omnipotent being that gave us free will to choose what we wish, would PUNISH us if we chose wrong or chose counter to what he thought was best for any intelligent race. We cannot learn this Universe and its ways, nor can our intelligence and love grow, by having our hands held....whether we do good, or EVIL. The problem with many on this world, and likely why the powers that be wish to kill off the majority, is that despite the intelligence of some, the good jobs, and the good living....we are all still too too dumb to keep around. There is a truth about our world, God, the Multiverse and how we came to be. The Internet has helped milions world-wide to put together small secrets to better understand the real truths. Out of complete fear many stick to worshipping God, and believing, verbatim, the scripts of the Bible, and other texts around the world, when truthfully? It just isnt that way at all. You can pray all you wish for things, and you can believe that you will go to hell all you wish....it just isnt that way.
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Hard (lack) Truth just has to get his 2 cents in ( about all itís worth) about the false teaching of Camping,
To those of us that read the Bible we knew it was not as Camping spoke. All of HTís rhetoric is quite funny coming from a person that believes in reincarnation. Yeah, that has lots of credibility! LOL
 Quoting: we will see 1162101


Even your christ knew reincarnation is how it works!!

How much credibility do you give him then?


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


"Ye must be born again." = RE-INCARNATION!!

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wrote about the Pharisees being believers in reincarnation. Josephus wrote about the Pharisees' belief that the souls of evil men are punished after death. But the souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will have "power to revive and live again."

Jesus affirmed to his disciples that John the Baptist was indeed the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah.

Origen was an ardent defender of pre-existence and reincarnation. The doctrines of pre-existence and reincarnation existed as secret teachings of Jesus until they were declared a heresy by the Roman Church in 553 A.D. It was at this time that the Roman Church aggressively destroyed competing teachings and so-called heresies within the Church. Along with the destruction of unorthodox teachings came the destruction of Jews, Gnostics, and ultimately anyone who stood in the way of the Inquisition and Crusades.

The episode in the Bible where Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet is one of the clearest statements which Jesus made concerning reincarnation.

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

In the above passage, Jesus clearly identifies John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet. Later in Matthew's gospel Jesus reiterates it.

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."
Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

In very explicit language, Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah.

1394866, how much more proof do you need?
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Well I guess I owe HT an apology , you write about the lack of credibility and belief of Christian and yet you SAY and use Christ as validation to reincarnation as the way it is. Nice try! You may read some of the lines in the Bible but have little to no understanding of it. Why not just stick with your own vain ,silly , (I may come back as a lamp post reincarnation philosophy ) and leave the Bible to those who know itís truths and can read and understand it. I would say good luck in your next life ( whatever you may turn out to be) but as we Christards know, luck has nothing to do with it. We have been blessed enough to accept the free gift of salvation by believing in JESUS the Christ.
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Even your christ knew reincarnation is how it works!!

How much credibility do you give him then?


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Oh, but he did!!

John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elijah!!

Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."


Jesus and apostles knew reincarnation is how it works!!


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL...noooooooooooooo

this is what happens when you cherry pick scriptures, you don't even bother to research original text and you listen to some crazy man.

you come up with these beliefs.

you are doing exactly what you condemned ICE for doing...and the result is the same, you are believing something false.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Hard Truth doesn't base his beliefs in the scriptures...only you do... he just points out what they REALLY say to those believers that have been sold a cherry picked belief system that is entirely man made.

They are your scriptures... and you are accustomed to how they are taught to you... instead of being familiar with the nuggets of truth they contain.

Can anyone else see how screwed up they have the minds of the "faithful" ?
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Hard (lack) Truth just has to get his 2 cents in ( about all itís worth) about the false teaching of Camping,
To those of us that read the Bible we knew it was not as Camping spoke. All of HTís rhetoric is quite funny coming from a person that believes in reincarnation. Yeah, that has lots of credibility! LOL
 Quoting: we will see 1162101


Even your christ knew reincarnation is how it works!!

How much credibility do you give him then?


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


"Ye must be born again." = RE-INCARNATION!!

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wrote about the Pharisees being believers in reincarnation. Josephus wrote about the Pharisees' belief that the souls of evil men are punished after death. But the souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will have "power to revive and live again."

Jesus affirmed to his disciples that John the Baptist was indeed the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah.

Origen was an ardent defender of pre-existence and reincarnation. The doctrines of pre-existence and reincarnation existed as secret teachings of Jesus until they were declared a heresy by the Roman Church in 553 A.D. It was at this time that the Roman Church aggressively destroyed competing teachings and so-called heresies within the Church. Along with the destruction of unorthodox teachings came the destruction of Jews, Gnostics, and ultimately anyone who stood in the way of the Inquisition and Crusades.

The episode in the Bible where Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet is one of the clearest statements which Jesus made concerning reincarnation.

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

In the above passage, Jesus clearly identifies John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet. Later in Matthew's gospel Jesus reiterates it.

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."
Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

In very explicit language, Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah.

1394866, how much more proof do you need?
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you gonna cherry pick Scripture too?

born again of the Spirit.

Jesus was also very clear that John the Baptist was the one that continued Elijah's work.

Tell me, have you checked the Greek text on that Scripture? you do know that there is evidence that Matthew was not written in Hebrew and then translated to Greek, but rather written in Greek, right?

i will not debate doctrine and theologies with a non-believer. i've answered many questions, but i will not get into debate with you over Scripture and false beliefs that you have about what Christianity is about and what Christianity teaches.

what makes an unbeliever an expert on what a believer actually believes and what their beliefs teach?

you are like an armchair quarterback, on the sidelines.
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Well I guess I owe HT an apology , you write about the lack of credibility and belief of Christian and yet you SAY and use Christ as validation to reincarnation as the way it is. Nice try! You may read some of the lines in the Bible but have little to no understanding of it. Why not just stick with your own vain ,silly , (I may come back as a lamp post reincarnation philosophy ) and leave the Bible to those who know itís truths and can read and understand it. I would say good luck in your next life ( whatever you may turn out to be) but as we Christards know, luck has nothing to do with it. We have been blessed enough to accept the free gift of salvation by believing in JESUS the Christ.
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Was just making mention of the fact, that the concept was indeed even taught in your own scriptures!!

It is of course not my primary source, but only one of many!!


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LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Oh, but he did!!

John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elijah!!

Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."


Jesus and apostles knew reincarnation is how it works!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL...noooooooooooooo

this is what happens when you cherry pick scriptures, you don't even bother to research original text and you listen to some crazy man.

you come up with these beliefs.

you are doing exactly what you condemned ICE for doing...and the result is the same, you are believing something false.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Hard Truth doesn't base his beliefs in the scriptures...only you do... he just points out what they REALLY say to those believers that have been sold a cherry picked belief system that is entirely man made.

They are your scriptures... and you are accustomed to how they are taught to you... instead of being familiar with the nuggets of truth they contain.

Can anyone else see how screwed up they have the minds of the "faithful" ?
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oh, he needs you to stand up for him?

and you know "how they were taught" to me?

please enlighten me about how they were taught to me since you claim to know so much.

this should be very, very interesting. lol
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well no, He did not say ignore those laws and the time ahead were more of a concern.

what He actually said was, Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

the Law was given to Israel for one reason only, to show them they could never be "good enough" to earn salvation or God's favor. only the High Priest was allowed in the Holy of Holies and only AFTER there was a sacrifice for his sin. if he went into the Holy of Holies and had no blood sacrifice had been done for his sin, he dropped dead. read Lev, it tells about how a rope was tied around the priest, what had to be done to cover his sin, the bells on his robe. when the bells stopped ring, that meant he was dead and had to be dragged out.

also, the Law was NEVER given to the Gentiles, only to Israel. Christ was sent to save ISRAEL and when they rejected Him, the Gospel then went to the Gentiles and they were grafted in, remember? God also told them if they were guilty of breaking one Law, they were guilty of breaking all Laws. no man could live up to those Laws, it was impossible.


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Do you know why the law wasn't given to the gentiles?

We didn't need it!!

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law.... (Romans 2:14)

Per your scriptures, it was already in our nature to be good, so, one must ask, why wasn't it in the nature of the jews to be good?


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 Quoting: HardTruth


ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



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 Quoting: HardTruth


Be careful Hardtruth! Christians get very mad when you actually quote "Jesus" rather then their real god Paul!
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LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
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Oh, but he did!!

John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elijah!!

Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."


Jesus and apostles knew reincarnation is how it works!!


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 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL...noooooooooooooo

this is what happens when you cherry pick scriptures, you don't even bother to research original text and you listen to some crazy man.

you come up with these beliefs.

you are doing exactly what you condemned ICE for doing...and the result is the same, you are believing something false.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Hard Truth doesn't base his beliefs in the scriptures...only you do... he just points out what they REALLY say to those believers that have been sold a cherry picked belief system that is entirely man made.

They are your scriptures... and you are accustomed to how they are taught to you... instead of being familiar with the nuggets of truth they contain.

Can anyone else see how screwed up they have the minds of the "faithful" ?
 Quoting: Juliett 484


Thanks, couldn't have said it any better!


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Do you know why the law wasn't given to the gentiles?

We didn't need it!!

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law.... (Romans 2:14)

Per your scriptures, it was already in our nature to be good, so, one must ask, why wasn't it in the nature of the jews to be good?


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Be careful Hardtruth! Christians get very mad when you actually quote "Jesus" rather then their real god Paul!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


NEWSFLASH!!!!

Paul is not a god, the KJV of the Bible is not the only Bible and all Christians do not just blindly believe something some person has told them.

i'm really sorry for messing up your insulting post and possibly confusing you with FACT but there are times that just has to be done.

amazing and hypocritical to me that so many non-believers feel it is correct and their right to lump ever believer together with every crackpot they have ever come across. let a Christian do that same thing to the non-believer and all hell breaks loose and "how dare you" and "you simple minded bigot" starts flying all over they place and then they top it all off by doing the very thing that claim is hypocritical.

not that is irony and hypocrisy for you.
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Oh, but he did!!

John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elijah!!

Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."


Jesus and apostles knew reincarnation is how it works!!


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL...noooooooooooooo

this is what happens when you cherry pick scriptures, you don't even bother to research original text and you listen to some crazy man.

you come up with these beliefs.

you are doing exactly what you condemned ICE for doing...and the result is the same, you are believing something false.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Hard Truth doesn't base his beliefs in the scriptures...only you do... he just points out what they REALLY say to those believers that have been sold a cherry picked belief system that is entirely man made.

They are your scriptures... and you are accustomed to how they are taught to you... instead of being familiar with the nuggets of truth they contain.

Can anyone else see how screwed up they have the minds of the "faithful" ?
 Quoting: Juliett 484


oh, he needs you to stand up for him?

and you know "how they were taught" to me?

please enlighten me about how they were taught to me since you claim to know so much.

this should be very, very interesting. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I have every right to chime in on a topic in a public forum... I don't know Hard Truth. I only know the words attributed to his icon... so try to understand I'm COMMENTING on YOUR words... keep up , or shut up.

IF you subscribe to judeo christianity you were TAUGHT what you believe... there is no SELF EVIDENT religion or any form of worship associated with the teachings of christ.
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not that is irony and hypocrisy for you.

should be:

now that is irony and hypocrisy for you.
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Do you know why the law wasn't given to the gentiles?

We didn't need it!!

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law.... (Romans 2:14)

Per your scriptures, it was already in our nature to be good, so, one must ask, why wasn't it in the nature of the jews to be good?


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Be careful Hardtruth! Christians get very mad when you actually quote "Jesus" rather then their real god Paul!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


LOL, They get upset If I quote anything from their bible, being a demon incarnate that is!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Even your christ knew reincarnation is how it works!!

How much credibility do you give him then?


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 Quoting: HardTruth


LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


"Ye must be born again." = RE-INCARNATION!!

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wrote about the Pharisees being believers in reincarnation. Josephus wrote about the Pharisees' belief that the souls of evil men are punished after death. But the souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will have "power to revive and live again."

Jesus affirmed to his disciples that John the Baptist was indeed the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah.

Origen was an ardent defender of pre-existence and reincarnation. The doctrines of pre-existence and reincarnation existed as secret teachings of Jesus until they were declared a heresy by the Roman Church in 553 A.D. It was at this time that the Roman Church aggressively destroyed competing teachings and so-called heresies within the Church. Along with the destruction of unorthodox teachings came the destruction of Jews, Gnostics, and ultimately anyone who stood in the way of the Inquisition and Crusades.

The episode in the Bible where Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet is one of the clearest statements which Jesus made concerning reincarnation.

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

In the above passage, Jesus clearly identifies John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet. Later in Matthew's gospel Jesus reiterates it.

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."
Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

In very explicit language, Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah.

1394866, how much more proof do you need?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1375359


you gonna cherry pick Scripture too?

born again of the Spirit.

Jesus was also very clear that John the Baptist was the one that continued Elijah's work.

Tell me, have you checked the Greek text on that Scripture? you do know that there is evidence that Matthew was not written in Hebrew and then translated to Greek, but rather written in Greek, right?

i will not debate doctrine and theologies with a non-believer. i've answered many questions, but i will not get into debate with you over Scripture and false beliefs that you have about what Christianity is about and what Christianity teaches.

what makes an unbeliever an expert on what a believer actually believes and what their beliefs teach?

you are like an armchair quarterback, on the sidelines.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


BeLIEve what you like. You put so much emphasis on a book that, in a court of law would be considered hearsay = 3rd party material. I prefer to put more value on material written in the 1st person. Robert Monroe was one such writer. It's your journey and if you feel you need man-made religion, go for it!! I've been there, done that and graduated!! My journey is quite different from yours. I am no longer in any need for man-made religions. You beLIEvers twist verses to suit your beLIEfs. That's fine if that's what your ego needs. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to have a human experience. Carry on with your delusion/s.
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LOL...noooooooooooooo

this is what happens when you cherry pick scriptures, you don't even bother to research original text and you listen to some crazy man.

you come up with these beliefs.

you are doing exactly what you condemned ICE for doing...and the result is the same, you are believing something false.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Hard Truth doesn't base his beliefs in the scriptures...only you do... he just points out what they REALLY say to those believers that have been sold a cherry picked belief system that is entirely man made.

They are your scriptures... and you are accustomed to how they are taught to you... instead of being familiar with the nuggets of truth they contain.

Can anyone else see how screwed up they have the minds of the "faithful" ?
 Quoting: Juliett 484


oh, he needs you to stand up for him?

and you know "how they were taught" to me?

please enlighten me about how they were taught to me since you claim to know so much.

this should be very, very interesting. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I have every right to chime in on a topic in a public forum... I don't know Hard Truth. I only know the words attributed to his icon... so try to understand I'm COMMENTING on YOUR words... keep up , or shut up.

IF you subscribe to judeo christianity you were TAUGHT what you believe... there is no SELF EVIDENT religion or any form of worship associated with the teachings of christ.
 Quoting: Juliett 484


yes continue with what you have claimed to know.

who taught me about Scripture, you professed to know exactly how i was taught.

again, enlighten me please.
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ohno

Are GLP christians done?

They all believe the same shit!!

They have lost any and all validity!!

There will always be, as in the past, someone of this religion settings dates for a second coming, the rapture, gods judgment!!

Its over, get used to it!!







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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Haha why make ur thread title the same shit as ur argument? Just cuz some whack job said it was the end...just like any other whack job that says its the end...are proved wrong...dont mean the group as a whole collectivly believed this bullshit...so maybe you should attack only the fuck tards who believed it then changed their statements after it...Those Christians vs Christians who actually read their book and believe it are 2 different entities of people and should be treated as such...but calling out the whole group when the argument was pushed by one side for the rapture and denied by the other side...all of them cant be the same lunatics you seem to think they are...There is one God he dont have a son but messengers but the faiths focus on the man rather than the message...think about that
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Discussing and cussing Religion, fun, however it's like comparing midgets to leprechauns.
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More like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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LOL....Jesus did not teach reincarnation, nor was he reincarnated.
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"Ye must be born again." = RE-INCARNATION!!

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wrote about the Pharisees being believers in reincarnation. Josephus wrote about the Pharisees' belief that the souls of evil men are punished after death. But the souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will have "power to revive and live again."

Jesus affirmed to his disciples that John the Baptist was indeed the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah.

Origen was an ardent defender of pre-existence and reincarnation. The doctrines of pre-existence and reincarnation existed as secret teachings of Jesus until they were declared a heresy by the Roman Church in 553 A.D. It was at this time that the Roman Church aggressively destroyed competing teachings and so-called heresies within the Church. Along with the destruction of unorthodox teachings came the destruction of Jews, Gnostics, and ultimately anyone who stood in the way of the Inquisition and Crusades.

The episode in the Bible where Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet is one of the clearest statements which Jesus made concerning reincarnation.

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

In the above passage, Jesus clearly identifies John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet. Later in Matthew's gospel Jesus reiterates it.

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."
Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

In very explicit language, Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah.

1394866, how much more proof do you need?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1375359


you gonna cherry pick Scripture too?

born again of the Spirit.

Jesus was also very clear that John the Baptist was the one that continued Elijah's work.

Tell me, have you checked the Greek text on that Scripture? you do know that there is evidence that Matthew was not written in Hebrew and then translated to Greek, but rather written in Greek, right?

i will not debate doctrine and theologies with a non-believer. i've answered many questions, but i will not get into debate with you over Scripture and false beliefs that you have about what Christianity is about and what Christianity teaches.

what makes an unbeliever an expert on what a believer actually believes and what their beliefs teach?

you are like an armchair quarterback, on the sidelines.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


BeLIEve what you like. You put so much emphasis on a book that, in a court of law would be considered hearsay = 3rd party material. I prefer to put more value on material written in the 1st person. Robert Monroe was one such writer. It's your journey and if you feel you need man-made religion, go for it!! I've been there, done that and graduated!! My journey is quite different from yours. I am no longer in any need for man-made religions. You beLIEvers twist verses to suit your beLIEfs. That's fine if that's what your ego needs. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to have a human experience. Carry on with your delusion/s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1375359


you have no idea where my beliefs come from or why i have a belief in Scripture, now do you?

any reasons why would just be an assumption on your part, would they not?
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Discussing and cussing Religion, fun, however it's like comparing midgets to leprechauns.
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More like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1397184


LOL, Now that's funny!!


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ummmm...no that is incorrect.

salvation was only open to the Jews until the New Testament, which tells you right there, that was after Christ.

the gentiles were considered unclean, Paul himself was a Gentile, which is one of the reason for his missionary work. Paul very clearly spoke of this in Romans.

according to Scripture, ALL have sinned and fallen short and no man has the nature to be good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Be careful Hardtruth! Christians get very mad when you actually quote "Jesus" rather then their real god Paul!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


LOL, They get upset If I quote anything from their bible, being a demon incarnate that is!!


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


you give yourself too much credit. satan and demons known more Scripture than many Christians. memorizing something does not equate understanding it.

the Sadducees and Pharisees knew loads of Scripture and Jesus was clear that He was not impressed by that. without God in those Scriptures, they are mere words.
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I see, so the words of your christ regarding the blind man and his parents are to be ignored?


No Original Sin!!

John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....

How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?



___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Be careful Hardtruth! Christians get very mad when you actually quote "Jesus" rather then their real god Paul!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


LOL, They get upset If I quote anything from their bible, being a demon incarnate that is!!


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


you give yourself too much credit. satan and demons known more Scripture than many Christians. memorizing something does not equate understanding it.

the Sadducees and Pharisees knew loads of Scripture and Jesus was clear that He was not impressed by that. without God in those Scriptures, they are mere words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394866


Thanks for finally admitting that there was no god involved in the biblical words!!


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