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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1397611  United States05/23/2011 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wooden houses are not resistant Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1397545 many lives would be saved if this was understood where these storms can occur. with all the litigators in america, why dont the councils (or civil group responsible for building codes) get sued when the buildings they approve get flattened by the local weather? Is the the same idiot Aussie poster wanting government overlording everything we do? IF, local governments got sued for every storm, then guess who pays for the lawsuit? WE DO! The taxpayers. How does this help anyone? We need reasonable codes and we have them. We simply cannot build to protect against all 100-year storms. Down in Australia do you have the government doing everything for you? Do you not accept personal responsibility for outcomes? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1396993Cinder block wouldn't hold up. An underground shelter is much better. You'd also have to deal with people giving up private property to build shelters. But think of this: It might be 200 years before another tornado touches down in any specific town. It's not practical. Ive always wondered why they dont build underground in tornado alley.. in Coober Pedy in South Australia, most of the town is underground, granted its because of heat, however it would surely work on the same principal.. i can not believe that the councils and government dont make it mandatory for tornado shelters to be built in homes, similar to the cyclone ratings we have to have here in cyclone regions... Sometimes people need to be told what to do for their own safety.. Pics of coober pedy: [link to www.google.com.au] You usually go well over 100 years between tornadoes occurring again in the same town. It's not like the hurricane areas where you know that you're going to get hit in the same place every few years. Also, that particular area is also not too far from the Madrid fault. Underground homes would be tombs. By the same token, houses over 1 story in height shouldn't be built in earthquake prone areas. Brick and mortar buildings shouldn't be allowed in earthquake prone areas, since wooden homes are so much safer. Then you look at areas prone to forest fires. They shouldn't allow wooden homes. But there are places that are prone to earthquakes, tornadoes and forest fires together. It goes on and on and on. You can only do so much and this country has become too much of an overbearing nanny state as it is. I see your point, though. Speaking of underground buildings, there's a large underground office complex in Kansas City, MO about 160 miles north of Joplin. The place is amazing. [link to www.theatlantic.com] Since no one, including the OP, seem to have read the post about wooden houses, I'll bump it. There was NOTHING SAID ABOUT WOODEN HOUSES BEING MORE RESISTANT TO WEATHER THAN BRICK HOUSES. Fucking morons. Thanks for bumping that, now I understand...I thought that was an isolated statement not connected to previous posts. I have been off an on this site, unable to read everything because I do have other things that need tending to. I understand you frustration over ignorant remarks/posts, but I hate to see the harsh language...I'm fairly new to GLP, and have never posted on threads before, so please be patient with me.....I'm learning...and I guess I have to get use to the reaction of the vast variety of personalities here |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thousands Without Power The Empire District Electric Company reports that as of 4:00 p.m. approximately 14,000 customers remain without service. This number can fluctuate due to weather or other challenges that may arise during the restoration process. The largest number of customers without power is in Joplin; however, customers in Diamond, Granby, Sarcoxie, and Wentworth are also experiencing outages due to severe weather. You can read more here: [link to www.ktts.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1359029 United States05/23/2011 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | many lives would be saved if this was understood where these storms can occur. Quoting: with all the litigators in america, why dont the councils (or civil group responsible for building codes) get sued when the buildings they approve get flattened by the local weather? Hey Guess what, There are many places in Missouri that do not have building codes. A person can actually go out and build anything they want. If you look at the houses and buildings that were demolished you might notice that they were in projects, made of pine, tin room, modern day garbage. The older homes in Missouri are made of Oak and cedar. Places like Walmart are nothing more than shells with roofs laid on them. We live here because we don't like civil groups or whoever telling us how to build our own home like they do in Californicate. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1397608 United States05/23/2011 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: EW 1397401Ive always wondered why they dont build underground in tornado alley.. in Coober Pedy in South Australia, most of the town is underground, granted its because of heat, however it would surely work on the same principal.. i can not believe that the councils and government dont make it mandatory for tornado shelters to be built in homes, similar to the cyclone ratings we have to have here in cyclone regions... Sometimes people need to be told what to do for their own safety.. Pics of coober pedy: [link to www.google.com.au] You usually go well over 100 years between tornadoes occurring again in the same town. It's not like the hurricane areas where you know that you're going to get hit in the same place every few years. Also, that particular area is also not too far from the Madrid fault. Underground homes would be tombs. By the same token, houses over 1 story in height shouldn't be built in earthquake prone areas. Brick and mortar buildings shouldn't be allowed in earthquake prone areas, since wooden homes are so much safer. Then you look at areas prone to forest fires. They shouldn't allow wooden homes. But there are places that are prone to earthquakes, tornadoes and forest fires together. It goes on and on and on. You can only do so much and this country has become too much of an overbearing nanny state as it is. I see your point, though. Speaking of underground buildings, there's a large underground office complex in Kansas City, MO about 160 miles north of Joplin. The place is amazing. [link to www.theatlantic.com] Since no one, including the OP, seem to have read the post about wooden houses, I'll bump it. There was NOTHING SAID ABOUT WOODEN HOUSES BEING MORE RESISTANT TO WEATHER THAN BRICK HOUSES. Fucking morons. Thanks for bumping that, now I understand...I thought that was an isolated statement not connected to previous posts. I have been off an on this site, unable to read everything because I do have other things that need tending to. I understand you frustration over ignorant remarks/posts, but I hate to see the harsh language...I'm fairly new to GLP, and have never posted on threads before, so please be patient with me.....I'm learning...and I guess I have to get use to the reaction of the vast variety of personalities here Aw, fuck, now you have to be all nice about it and shit.  I'm sorry I called you a moron. I was having a moment.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1397608 United States05/23/2011 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I should add that the aforementioned "mood" came after reading Candace/"Nobody In Particular" talking about "star fleet not allowing weather weapons" and that crazy GloryYAH crap last night. It's enough to try the patience of a saint, and I ain't a saint. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1396993You usually go well over 100 years between tornadoes occurring again in the same town. It's not like the hurricane areas where you know that you're going to get hit in the same place every few years. Also, that particular area is also not too far from the Madrid fault. Underground homes would be tombs. By the same token, houses over 1 story in height shouldn't be built in earthquake prone areas. Brick and mortar buildings shouldn't be allowed in earthquake prone areas, since wooden homes are so much safer. Then you look at areas prone to forest fires. They shouldn't allow wooden homes. But there are places that are prone to earthquakes, tornadoes and forest fires together. It goes on and on and on. You can only do so much and this country has become too much of an overbearing nanny state as it is. I see your point, though. Speaking of underground buildings, there's a large underground office complex in Kansas City, MO about 160 miles north of Joplin. The place is amazing. [link to www.theatlantic.com] Since no one, including the OP, seem to have read the post about wooden houses, I'll bump it. There was NOTHING SAID ABOUT WOODEN HOUSES BEING MORE RESISTANT TO WEATHER THAN BRICK HOUSES. Fucking morons. Thanks for bumping that, now I understand...I thought that was an isolated statement not connected to previous posts. I have been off an on this site, unable to read everything because I do have other things that need tending to. I understand you frustration over ignorant remarks/posts, but I hate to see the harsh language...I'm fairly new to GLP, and have never posted on threads before, so please be patient with me.....I'm learning...and I guess I have to get use to the reaction of the vast variety of personalities here Aw, fuck, now you have to be all nice about it and shit. I'm sorry I called you a moron. I was having a moment. Thank you....  |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I should add that the aforementioned "mood" came after reading Candace/"Nobody In Particular" talking about "star fleet not allowing weather weapons" and that crazy GloryYAH crap last night. It's enough to try the patience of a saint, and I ain't a saint. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1397608I am so glad GloryYAH is not here tonight....I didn't know if I wanted to mention her name....thought she might notice and stick around again. If that was the case, I was going to start a thread for her---DEDICATED TO GloryYAH AND HER ABORTION AGENDA----that would have been the subject. |
dettro99  User ID: 1380110 United States05/23/2011 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | posted on twitter MIRACLE -Friends Bob & Pat Harbottle were in this house (Joplin) when tornado hit & walked out w/only bruises [link to twitpic.com] Last Edited by dettro99 on 05/23/2011 10:31 PM |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | posted on twitter MIRACLE -Friends Bob & Pat Harbottle were in this house (Joplin) when tornado hit & walked out w/only bruises Quoting: dettro99[link to twitpic.com] That's freakie--I just got through looking at that same picture--devasting--glad they got out safe! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1328412 United States05/23/2011 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am wondering how feasible it would be for every block to have a simple underground cinder block shelter funded by local state or government funds. Quoting: AbaddonIt wouldn't be that expensive and give people equal access to safety on a moments notice. Cinder block wouldn't hold up. An underground shelter is much better. You'd also have to deal with people giving up private property to build shelters. But think of this: It might be 200 years before another tornado touches down in any specific town. It's not practical. Ive always wondered why they dont build underground in tornado alley.. in Coober Pedy in South Australia, most of the town is underground, granted its because of heat, however it would surely work on the same principal.. i can not believe that the councils and government dont make it mandatory for tornado shelters to be built in homes, similar to the cyclone ratings we have to have here in cyclone regions... Sometimes people need to be told what to do for their own safety.. Pics of coober pedy: [link to www.google.com.au] Australia poster, the very last thing we need in the USA is government mandated shelters in our homes. Housing is already expensive enough without additional costs. If the government wants to "suggest" the best type shelter, that's fine. But please, no mandated, forced increases in government regulations. I can see consideration for a "safe" place in apartment housing, but not in private homes. The cost to add one post construction is $4000. During construction, it would be less and could be financed in with the mortgage. Just a few $$ per month extra. I'm really regretting that I didn't add one at my house when I built it. That $4000 is hard to drop, but to look at it as a few extra $$ each month is easier to deal with. But, I agree with you that apartment complexes where people on the upper floors don't have access to a ground floor room/closet and trailer parks should be required to have safe rooms or a community bunker. A common laundry room area placed underground or in a central location would be perfect and not that much more expensive to reinforce. Even in apartments that have in-unit laundry hook-ups, you could have a reinforced weight room or other common area. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1388150 United States05/23/2011 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395844 That does not look good--I just heard on the Weather Channel as I'm typing this, that tomorrow doesn't look good either. Someone is modifying the weather. It looks like that tornado was created on purpose. What does a created tornado look like? |
| Enchanted Wanderer User ID: 1397401 Australia05/23/2011 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wooden houses are not resistant Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1397545many lives would be saved if this was understood where these storms can occur. with all the litigators in america, why dont the councils (or civil group responsible for building codes) get sued when the buildings they approve get flattened by the local weather? Is the the same idiot Aussie poster wanting government overlording everything we do? IF, local governments got sued for every storm, then guess who pays for the lawsuit? WE DO! The taxpayers. How does this help anyone? We need reasonable codes and we have them. We simply cannot build to protect against all 100-year storms. Down in Australia do you have the government doing everything for you? Do you not accept personal responsibility for outcomes? Ahh no it wasnt the same poster, I was the one who suggested councils make tornado shelters as part of the building code like they do here in queensland for cyclone rated homes.. you must have a minimun of a category 3 cyclone rated frame and foundation etc to be allowed to build a house in coastal queensland.. there is nothing wrong with protecting people from themselves.. besides.. when the shit hits the fan its the taxpayers who pay for the clean up anyway.. of course there are once in 50/100 year events which probably no one can prepare for however, if you live in an area like queensland, which has cyclones every year.. tornado alley, which has tornado's every year.. florida which has hurricanes every year.. I see no reason why you shouldnt have to foot the bill to create a sturdy and safe shelter for you and your famiily so other tax payers dont have to do it when a storm/tornado does hit.. just my opinion.. no need to reply with name calling.. Time for a new reality [link to www.thevenusproject.com] Get A Kit, Make A Plan, Be Prepared. Zombie Apocalypses Do Happen! "whoever forgets his history is condemned to repeat it" “The Sun of Light shines in the Heart as Love.” The Truth of Life descends from the world of Eternal Light {the sun} to illuminate the minds, regenerate the hearts, raise and renew the souls of all the sons of Truth destined to constitute the nucleus of the new humanity - Peter Deunov "Knowledge is the Great Endowment of the Creator that lives within you and allows you to experience & express humanity’s One Spirituality, beyond all divisions of race, culture, nation & religion. Knowledge alone has the power both to guide and protect the individual and to unite and enable humanity to chart a new way forward" |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 611581 United States05/23/2011 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | does anyone know has there been any change in the number of dead? Last I heard it was 116. Does anyone else know if this is the same or changed? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1396941It's bound to go up until everything is cleaned up, you need to wait a week or two for a true final tally. Either way, just ONE is too many. To all those who perished, rest in peace. To all those who suffer, take heart and hold on, things will get better someday. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395844 That does not look good--I just heard on the Weather Channel as I'm typing this, that tomorrow doesn't look good either. Someone is modifying the weather. It looks like that tornado was created on purpose. What does a created tornado look like? Here is a small man made tornado--  [link to www.msnbc.msn.com] |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/23/2011 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pardon my naivete, but a tornado won't lift this home up from its foundation? [link to www.monolithic.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/24/2011 12:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "It really does speak to the heart of ones self and let's U know that whatever that came about today, will bring about another day, that will wipe the slate clean of yesterday to begin a new day once more." Maybe Tomorrow Is A Better Day |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1392969 United States05/24/2011 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Joplin Missouri Emergency Shelter Phone Numbers To Locate Loved Ones phone numbers for those looking for loved ones |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/24/2011 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heart of Missouri United Way has established the Joplin Tornado Relief Fund. All donations are tax deductible and go to Joplin relief. To donate: Call (573) 443-4523, text “Joplin” to 864833 or visit the Heart of Missouri United Way’s website: [link to www.uwheartmo.org] There are reports that cash is needed. To make a donation visit [link to www.redcross.org] or call 1-800-RED-CROSS; people can also text the word “REDCROSS” to 90999 to make a $10 donation. Contributions may also be sent to local American Red Cross chapters or to the American Red Cross, P.O. Box 37243, Washington, DC 20013. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1373078 United States05/24/2011 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Joplin, MO Tornado Recovery [link to www.facebook.com] Joplin people accounted for after the storm [link to www.facebook.com] Joplin, Missouri Tornado Recovery [link to www.facebook.com] To listen to radio traffic in Jopin go to: [link to www.radioreference.com] If you ARE certified medical personnel, go to: [link to www.showmeresponse.org (secure)] Community Blood Center: [link to www.savealifenow.org] For more information on Missouri state response/shelter info: [link to www.mo.gov] Call to find loved ones in Joplin tornado (417) 659-5464. Joplin Red Cross |
