MIT Calculates Odds Of Jesus Fulfilling 8 Old Testament Prophecies!

Okay enlightened one, what are the odds, you want proof of the odds, calculate them, I could care less if the odds were calculated at the funny farm, the point is, WHAT ARE THE ODDS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

If they are one in one hundred, one in a thousand or one in one million, what is the difference, it is humanly impossible to do what Jesus did!

You are an atheist and will go to any lengths to prove you are right in your beliefs. This is the game you are playing.



Can you NOT READ? (previously posted above, duh!)

[link to eapsweb.mit.edu]

Odds and probability are misdirections. They assume that we live in a probabilistic universe where things happen by random chance. This assumption is not necessarily correct. The other assumption is that there is a plan and everything happens according to the plan. We humans are limited in our view of space/time. We see only the ever-present present as we flow into it, and speculate about the future as if it has not happened. It only has not happened according to our view. All that will happen in the future to our view is already written into the fabric of the universe by God's plan. There is no free will or free choice other than in our perceptions that we are making them.

It's funny how the majority of the world has adopted empiricism as their philosophy. They think we are able to discern everything with our brains, and that what we see with our eyes is all there is. They can't comprehend the idea that we are confined, but God is not. Empiricism has rarely been taken seriously as a world view by philosophers and has been rejected by the most important schools of thought, yet every atheist out there clings to this extremely narrow minded view of the universe.

Okay enlightened one, what are the odds, you want proof of the odds, calculate them, I could care less if the odds were calculated at the funny farm, the point is, WHAT ARE THE ODDS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

If they are one in one hundred, one in a thousand or one in one million, what is the difference, it is humanly impossible to do what Jesus did!

You are an atheist and will go to any lengths to prove you are right in your beliefs. This is the game you are playing.


I am not an atheist, lol. Nice try. The odds are a scam because JESUS NEVER EXISTED.

[link to www.jesusneverexisted.com]

It's funny how the majority of the world has adopted empiricism as their philosophy. They think we are able to discern everything with our brains, and that what we see with our eyes is all there is. They can't comprehend the idea that we are confined, but God is not. Empiricism has rarely been taken seriously as a world view by philosophers and has been rejected by the most important schools of thought, yet every atheist out there clings to this extremely narrow minded view of the universe.

Something went wrong with the quotations, sorry about that.

Okay enlightened one, what are the odds, you want proof of the odds, calculate them, I could care less if the odds were calculated at the funny farm, the point is, WHAT ARE THE ODDS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

If they are one in one hundred, one in a thousand or one in one million, what is the difference, it is humanly impossible to do what Jesus did!

You are an atheist and will go to any lengths to prove you are right in your beliefs. This is the game you are playing.


CAN YOU NOT READ?

[link to eapsweb.mit.edu]

The odds you presented were most probably calculated on the funny farm, but definitely not on the MIT.

I ate half of the Universe; take my statement as a fact, and calculate odds of me being a supernatural being. WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

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As hard as the most aggressive Atheists try to mock Christianity, they can’t beat Xtards at it.

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HAHAHAHA, what a fucking failure you are. The guy that wrote the book is Peter W. Stoner. Then you provide a link to a guy named Peter H. Stone that works at MIT. Nice try douche bag.

Did you even look to see who Peter W. Stoner is? It says it in his book.

PETER W. STONER, M.S.
Chairman of the Departments of Mathematics and Astronomy at Pasadena City College
until 1953; Chairman of the science division, Westmont College, 1953-57; Professor
Emeritus of Science, Westmont College; Professor Emeritus of Mathematics and
Astronomy, Pasadena City College

LOL, wow... you christards will stop at nothing.

I have breathed life back into the dead many times.
Turned water into wine.
And walked on water (ice).

Not Blasphemy, just the truth.

That's it? Your gonna link to Humphrey who mostly uses this page to make a repeated "argument from silence" claiming that Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' day.  As I mentioned earlier, his own sources disagree with him on this.  Again, I offer this: "...archeology indicates that the village [Nazareth] has been occupied since the 7th century B.C., although it may have experienced a 'refounding' in the 2d century b.c. " (John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew--Rethinking the Historical Jesus, (vol 1), p.300-301), Doubleday, 1991.  Meier is a Jewish non-Christian archeologist who Humphreys lists as a source on several of his pages.  And this page: [link to www.nazareth2000.gov.il] is more specific about the evidence, saying Nazareth was founded between 600-900 B.C. and has been consistently inhabited since about 200 B.C.

He claims on his site that, "'Jesus of Nazareth' supposedly lived in what is the most well-documented period of antiquity – the first century of the Christian era – yet not a single non-Christian source mentions the miracle worker from the sky."

Actually, there are several that mention Him.  Notice that Humphreys doesn't give a time frame in which "not a single non-Christian source mentions" Him (and as an aside, where does he get the "from the sky" bit?).  The further we get from the 1st century, the more non-Christian sources do mention Jesus.  We have Josephus and Tacitus writing about Jesus in the early 2nd century, and many more as we move into the 3rd and 4th.

Another claim, "All references – including the notorious insertions in Josephus – stem from partisan Christian sources."

Of course, Humphreys ignored Josephus' mention of Jesus in Antiquities 20.9.1, which no one claims stemmed from Christian sources, and only argues against Antiquities 18.3.3, which is the one in doubt.

Human beings think the limited purview of their minds is all there is. They cannot conceive of greater, so do not try to postulate it. Empiricism limits peoples understanding to what is real, here and now, and it is a useful tool for scientific inquiry and technological building. It does not work for that which cannot be directly seen. We are provided with a "minds eye" in which we can see more than the 3 dimensional space around us. What the atheist does not do is to use that faculty to explore the larger possibilities.

Even the idea that God is not confined, is difficult to the mind that is trapped in 3 dimensions and moving only one way through a fourth. We need to set limits, because the box in our heads is limited. What we have is a situation where we limit the possibilities to the box we have to put them in, instead of seeing that box as being contained in a universe of possibilities.

Josephus (c37-100 AD)


Flavius Josephus is a highly respected and much-quoted Romano-Jewish historian. The early Christians were zealous readers of his work.

A native of Judea, living in the 1st century AD, Josephus was actually governor of Galilee for a time (prior to the war of 70 AD) – the very province in which Jesus allegedly did his wonders. Though not born until 37 AD and therefore not a contemporary witness to any Jesus-character, Josephus at one point even lived in Cana, the very city in which Christ is said to have wrought his first miracle.

Josephus's two major tomes are History of The Jewish War and The Antiquities of the Jews. In these complementary works, the former written in the 70s, the latter in the 90s AD, Josephus mentions every noted personage of Palestine and describes every important event which occurred there during the first seventy years of the Christian era.

At face value, Josephus appears to be the answer to the Christian apologist's dreams.

In a single paragraph (the so-called Testimonium Flavianum) Josephus confirms every salient aspect of the Christ-myth:

1. Jesus's existence 2. his 'more than human' status 3. his miracle working 4. his teaching 5. his ministry among the Jews and the Gentiles 6. his Messiahship 7. his condemnation by the Jewish priests 8. his sentence by Pilate 9. his death on the cross 10. the devotion of his followers 11. his resurrection on the 3rd day 12. his post-death appearance 13. his fulfillment of divine prophecy 14. the successful continuance of the Christians.

In just 127 words Josephus confirms everything – now that is a miracle!


BUT WAIT A MINUTE ...

Not a single writer before the 4th century – not Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. – in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes a single reference to Josephus’ wondrous words.

The third century Church 'Father' Origen, for example, spent half his life and a quarter of a million words contending against the pagan writer Celsus. Origen drew on all sorts of proofs and witnesses to his arguments in his fierce defence of Christianity. He quotes from Josephus extensively. Yet even he makes no reference to this 'golden paragraph' from Josephus, which would have been the ultimate rebuttal. In fact, Origen actually said that Josephus was "not believing in Jesus as the Christ."

Origen did not quote the 'golden paragraph' because this paragraph had not yet been written.

It was absent from early copies of the works of Josephus and did not appear in Origen's third century version of Josephus, referenced in his Contra Celsum.

Consider, also, the anomalies:

1. How could Josephus claim that Jesus had been the answer to his messianic hopes yet remain an orthodox Jew?
The absurdity forces some apologists to make the ridiculous claim that Josephus was a closet Christian!

2. If Josephus really thought Jesus had been 'the Christ' surely he would have added more about him than one paragraph, a casual aside in someone else's (Pilate's) story?

In fact, Josephus relates much more about John the Baptist than about Jesus! He also reports in great detail the antics of other self-proclaimed messiahs, including Judas of Galilee, Theudas the Magician, and the unnamed 'Egyptian Jew' messiah.

It is striking that though Josephus confirms everything the Christians could wish for, he adds nothing that is not in the gospel narratives, nothing that would have been unknown by Christians already.


3. The question of context.

Antiquities 18 is primarily concerned with "all sorts of misfortunes" which befell the Jews during a period of thirty-two years (4-36 AD).

Josephus begins with the unpopular taxation introduced by the Roman Governor Cyrenius in 6 AD. He presents a synopsis of the three established Jewish parties (Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes), but his real quarry is the "fourth sect of philosophy ... which laid the foundation of our future miseries." That was the sect of Judas the Galilean, "which before we were unacquainted withal."

At the very point we might expect a mention of "Christians" (if any such sect existed) we have instead castigation of tax rebels!

"It was in Gessius Florus's time [64-66] that the nation began to grow mad with this distemper, who was our procurator, and who occasioned the Jews to go wild with it by the abuse of his authority, and made them revolt from the Romans; and these are the sects of Jewish philosophy."


"Nor can fear of death make them call any man Lord." Sound a tad familiar?

Chapter 2 notes the cities built to honour the Romans; the frequent changes in high priest (up to Caiaphas) and Roman procurators (up to Pontius Pilate); and also the turmoil in Parthia.

Chapter 3, containing the Testimonium as paragraph three, is essentially about Pilate's attempts to bring Jerusalem into the Roman system. With his first policy – placing Caesar's ensigns in Jerusalem – Pilate was forced to back down by unexpected Jewish protests in Caesarea. With his second policy – providing Jerusalem with a new aqueduct built with funds sequestered from the Temple, Pilate made ready for Jewish protests. Concealed weapons on his soldiers caused much bloodshed.

At this point the paragraph about Jesus is introduced!

Immediately after, Josephus continues:

"And about the same time another terrible misfortune confounded the Jews ..."


There is no way that Josephus, who remained an orthodox Jew all his life and defended Judaism vociferously against Greek critics, would have thought that the execution of a messianic claimant was "another terrible misfortune" for the Jews. This is the hand of a Christian writer who himself considered the death of Jesus to be a Jewish tragedy (fitting in with his own notions of a stiff-necked race, rejected by God because they themselves had rejected the Son of God).

With paragraph 3 removed from the text the chapter, in fact, reads better. The "aqueduct massacre" now justifies "another terrible misfortune."


4. The final assertion, that the Christians were "not extinct at this day," confirms that the so-called Testimonium is a later interpolation. How much later we cannot say but there was no "tribe of Christians" during Josephus' lifetime. Christianity under that moniker did not establish itself until the 2nd century. Outside of this single bogus paragraph, in all the extensive histories of Josephus there is not a single reference to Christianity anywhere.


5. The hyperbolic language is uncharacteristic of the historian:

"... as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him."

This is the stuff of Christian propaganda.



REALITY CHECK

In fact, the Josephus paragraph about Jesus does not appear until the beginning of the fourth century, at the time of Constantine.

Bishop Eusebius, that great Church propagandist and self-confessed liar-for-god, was the first person known to have quoted this paragraph of Josephus, about the year 340 AD. This was after the Christians had become the custodians of religious correctness.

Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them. They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus Christ ! Finding no references to Jesus anywhere in Josephus's genuine work, they interpolated a brief but all-embracing reference based purely on Christian belief.

Do we need to look any further to identify Eusebius himself as the forger?

Sanctioned by the imperial propagandist every Christian commentator for the next thirteen centuries accepted unquestioningly the entire Testimonium Flavianum, along with its declaration that Jesus “was the Messiah.”

And even in the twenty first century scholars who should know better trot out a truncated version of the 'golden paragraph' in a scurrilous attempt to keep Josephus 'on message.'

A recent Harvard study has showed that the rate of human brain activity is accelerating and shows a critical point will be reached in 2012!

[link to brainandlearning.blogspot.com]

studies show that around the when the IQ standardization of 100 equals 125 at the time of previous conscious revolution(1960s) then a new one begins. this rate is exponential.

Thread has gotten a little off topic, but until someone shows a link ON THE MIT WEBSITE to this supposed study, it's safe to say this thread subject has been debunked.

Did you ever think if it was so impossible, that maybe it didnt happen? maybe just maybe someone made up the story?

yep you are right ...they just need the new NWO authorized Blue Beam projector they set on orbit the 21 after the Pope casted his sign of evil on it

Josephus did wrote of the martyrdom of James (Jesus' brother) in Antiquities 20.9.1.  And other writers such as Tacitus (a non-Christian) wrote of the persecution under Nero.  Few reasonable scholars refuse to believe that Nero hated and persecuted Christians.

These things Humphreys describes(on his site) are the kinds of deceit that I've frequently seen Christ-mythers employ.

 They create deities that never existed, such as Beddru, Bremrillah, Crite, Gentaut, Ischy, and others and claim Jesus copied from them, a belief which becomes added to the beliefs of later generations of Christ-mythers.

 They also make up things like Horus being crucified or Krishna raising the dead, which other Christ-mythers repeat not knowing that these are not parts of the given mythology.

 They also "clarify" obscure points by, for example, saying that any deity with a miraculous conception is "born of a virgin", even if the mother is not a virgin, or saying that Zoroaster was "baptized in a river" when he only received a revelation while on the banks of a river.

 Rather than be honest and admit that such parallels are vague, they "clarify" the vagueness by saying they were "born of a virgin" or "baptized in a river", suggesting a much stronger parallel than what is true.

 They "invent scenarios that could have happened" by automatically giving any deity whose birthdate is unknown a birthdate of December 25th, or, as one Christ-myther recently did in a letter to me, claim that because the Egyptians don't specifically say that Isis and Osiris had sex (despite being married), Isis was probably a virgin when Horus was conceived.  Do the Christ-mythers have "real reasons for lies, inventions and counterfeits"?

 Yes, many will employ any means, however dishonest, to try to convince Christians that "Jesus never existed".

CAN YOU NOT READ?

[link to eapsweb.mit.edu]


Can you not read???????????????????????

New age bunk......................

Biggest load of bullshit since truthtards tried to turn an american nutjob into an israeli scientist. There is no study by MIT, and Stoner's work was destroyed in peer review.

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i'm surprised you were able to say "MIT"

Can you not read???????????????????????


Can YOU not read? Here, from an earlier post...


HAHAHAHA, what a fucking failure you are. The guy that wrote the book is Peter W. Stoner. Then you provide a link to a guy named Peter H. Stone that works at MIT. Nice try douche bag.

Did you even look to see who Peter W. Stoner is? It says it in his book.

PETER W. STONER, M.S.
Chairman of the Departments of Mathematics and Astronomy at Pasadena City College
until 1953; Chairman of the science division, Westmont College, 1953-57; Professor
Emeritus of Science, Westmont College; Professor Emeritus of Mathematics and
Astronomy, Pasadena City College

LOL, wow... you christards will stop at nothing.


The link you are giving is to a different guy. Peter H Stone works at MIT. Yet, Peter W. Stoner wrote the book that you're harping on about. Two different guys. There was no MIT study.

Jesus is a fictional character

(for all the tards that means he didn't actually exist)

the NT writers created a fictional character that fulfilled OT prophecy, that is obvious to everyone except the tards that belieeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeee

lol

so jesus was blind and couldnt read the bible where the predictions were made. These predictions were not sealed.
you have a bad analogy. The man shouldnt be blind but he was given a map to the coin. Now what are the chances of him finding it?


Also What are the chances that they were not all fullfilled and that the vatican lied about it. Cause those are pretty high too.

Thanks for bump!

r u from indiana?

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