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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Which false rumor - the one that says we landed on the moon or the one that says we did not land on the moon. Most of the scientific evidence points to no one landed on the moon; perhaps just a few joy rides around the planet earth.
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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Which false rumor - the one that says we landed on the moon or the one that says we did not land on the moon. Most of the scientific evidence points to no one landed on the moon; perhaps just a few joy rides around the planet earth.
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Well, since you put it that way, I guess both rumors.

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Simply Amazing!

For the first time since we landed on the moon we have an independent source with the technology to view the Apollo Landers from Earth and yet no one cares.

U N R E A L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Does anyone else think this is a good idea or what?
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Does anyone else think this is a good idea or what?
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Hum...Interesting Idea

I think it would be cool as shit to show the apollo LM's using the huge telescope.

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Does anyone else think this is a good idea or what?
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Hum...Interesting Idea

I think it would be cool as shit to show the apollo LM's using the huge telescope.

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yeah me too. It would verify the moon landings via a third independent party and besides, I too, think it would be cool as shit.

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Does anyone else think this is a good idea or what?
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Hum...Interesting Idea

I think it would be cool as shit to show the apollo LM's using the huge telescope.

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yeah me too. It would verify the moon landings via a third independent party and besides, I too, think it would be cool as shit.

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yeah, with all the apollo moon hoax people on this site, one would think they would jump on this faster then flies on shit, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

The truth is hard to face I guess.

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Does anyone else think this is a good idea or what?
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Hum...Interesting Idea

I think it would be cool as shit to show the apollo LM's using the huge telescope.

banana2
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yeah me too. It would verify the moon landings via a third independent party and besides, I too, think it would be cool as shit.

hf
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yeah, with all the apollo moon hoax people on this site, one would think they would jump on this faster then flies on shit, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

The truth is hard to face I guess.

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yep, we finally have the means to actually verify the moon landings and nothing but *crickets* in this thread.

It just goes to show you that when confronted with logic and pure science the loud mouths become very quite when faced with the challenge to prove their point.

lol lol lol
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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Who would you be doing this for?

The scientific community is quite happy with the existing evidence -- among that being imagery from recent robotic lunar missions.

The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location.

Please tell me what person would find this more convincing then the "few blurry pixels" already returned by spacecraft.
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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Who would you be doing this for?

The scientific community is quite happy with the existing evidence -- among that being imagery from recent robotic lunar missions.

The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location.

Please tell me what person would find this more convincing then the "few blurry pixels" already returned by spacecraft.
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Are you serious?

I mean come on dude, get real!

All images to date have come from NASA.

This would be the first time since the moon landings that a third party would verify the landings.

"The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location."
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WRONG!!! Go review the specs of the VLT again and you'll see that the possible resolution is much higher.

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WRONG!!! Go review the specs of the VLT again and you'll see that the possible resolution is much higher.

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Not really, to have higher resolution, VLT has to be used as interferometer. And in this configuration, "Additionally, the interferometric technique is such that it is very efficient only of objects that are small enough that all their light is concentrated. For instance, an object with a relatively low surface brightness such as the moon cannot be observed, because its light is too diluted. Only targets which are at temperatures of more than 1,000°C have a surface brightness high enough to be observed in the mid-infrared, and objects must be at several thousands of degrees Celsius for near-infrared observations using the VLTI."
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Simply Amazing!

For the first time since we landed on the moon we have an independent source with the technology to view the Apollo Landers from Earth and yet no one cares.

U N R E A L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well lets see State gang thugs are going around MURDERING people just for shits and giggles and we are supposed to go all shit house over this 30+ Yr old theft of tax payers monies?
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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Who would you be doing this for?

The scientific community is quite happy with the existing evidence -- among that being imagery from recent robotic lunar missions.

The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location.

Please tell me what person would find this more convincing then the "few blurry pixels" already returned by spacecraft.
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Are you serious?

I mean come on dude, get real!

All images to date have come from NASA.

This would be the first time since the moon landings that a third party would verify the landings.

"The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location."
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WRONG!!! Go review the specs of the VLT again and you'll see that the possible resolution is much higher.

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Err no, last pictures came from the chinese... NOT NASA..
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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Who would you be doing this for?

The scientific community is quite happy with the existing evidence -- among that being imagery from recent robotic lunar missions.

The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location.

Please tell me what person would find this more convincing then the "few blurry pixels" already returned by spacecraft.
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Are you serious?

I mean come on dude, get real!

All images to date have come from NASA.

This would be the first time since the moon landings that a third party would verify the landings.

"The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location."
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WRONG!!! Go review the specs of the VLT again and you'll see that the possible resolution is much higher.

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Err no, last pictures came from the chinese... NOT NASA..
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link please?
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WRONG!!! Go review the specs of the VLT again and you'll see that the possible resolution is much higher.

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Not really, to have higher resolution, VLT has to be used as interferometer. And in this configuration, "Additionally, the interferometric technique is such that it is very efficient only of objects that are small enough that all their light is concentrated. For instance, an object with a relatively low surface brightness such as the moon cannot be observed, because its light is too diluted. Only targets which are at temperatures of more than 1,000°C have a surface brightness high enough to be observed in the mid-infrared, and objects must be at several thousands of degrees Celsius for near-infrared observations using the VLTI."
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excuses, excuses, excuses
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Are you serious?

I mean come on dude, get real!

All images to date have come from NASA.

This would be the first time since the moon landings that a third party would verify the landings.


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You mean, a "third party" other than national observatories in Chile (which have bounced off the LRRR), or in Australia (which tracked the spacecraft during the Apollo series) or the ESA or Japan (which both recently imaged Apollo hardware on the surface)?

How is it that all these other agencies are insufficiently "third" for your taste, but one particular telescope operated by standing members of the world space science community is somehow sufficiently independent?


And, no, you haven't checked the math. Since the LM base is roughly twice the width of a car, the quoted "distance between a car's headlights," even if that meant what you think it meant, would translate as FOUR PIXELS for the largest piece of hardware on the Moon.
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Who would you be doing this for?

The scientific community is quite happy with the existing evidence -- among that being imagery from recent robotic lunar missions.
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cruise

I was actually excited to see what the LRO would come up with, and there it was, some fake shitty photoshop images, they were showing foot tracks(!) but they forgot the lunar rovers and their wheeltracks.

cruise

Please people come out of this delusional Apollo hoax. It's so fresh to have the truth.
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Are you serious?

I mean come on dude, get real!

All images to date have come from NASA.

This would be the first time since the moon landings that a third party would verify the landings.


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You mean, a "third party" other than national observatories in Chile (which have bounced off the LRRR), or in Australia (which tracked the spacecraft during the Apollo series) or the ESA or Japan (which both recently imaged Apollo hardware on the surface)?

How is it that all these other agencies are insufficiently "third" for your taste, but one particular telescope operated by standing members of the world space science community is somehow sufficiently independent?


And, no, you haven't checked the math. Since the LM base is roughly twice the width of a car, the quoted "distance between a car's headlights," even if that meant what you think it meant, would translate as FOUR PIXELS for the largest piece of hardware on the Moon.
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It's called peer review in case you don't know and I've not seen any image of the LM's from another source other than NASA itself.

Then FOUR pixels it is! That's better than 0 pixles for the last 40 years lol

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On what basis do you reject Kaguya's findings of;

A) Geography identical to that photographed FROM THE GROUND forty years before -- geography that could not have been known in that detail at the time without either roving photographers (aka the astronauts) or radar mapping of a quality unavailable at the time?

B) Recent removal of surface layers in exactly the spots the landers occupied, in a way consistent with the descent engine, the described qualities of the lunar soil, and again the record of surface photography?

Why are these footprints of the technology not acceptable, but images of a part of a spacecraft are? Isn't this like disbelieving in the existence of a radio station you can listen to the broadcasts of, measure the signal strength of, chart the coverage of, even look up the filed papers and logs of....until you have physically witnessed a truck with a station logo painted on it?

I put it to you, that faking the shape of an LM descent stage in the appropriate location would be vastly simpler than faking the legions of other supporting data -- including, as an example, the Kaguya 3d mapping of the same terrain revealing details simply unknown even a decade before EXCEPT through the Apollo surface photography record.
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On what basis do you reject Kaguya's findings of;

A) Geography identical to that photographed FROM THE GROUND forty years before -- geography that could not have been known in that detail at the time without either roving photographers (aka the astronauts) or radar mapping of a quality unavailable at the time?

B) Recent removal of surface layers in exactly the spots the landers occupied, in a way consistent with the descent engine, the described qualities of the lunar soil, and again the record of surface photography?

Why are these footprints of the technology not acceptable, but images of a part of a spacecraft are? Isn't this like disbelieving in the existence of a radio station you can listen to the broadcasts of, measure the signal strength of, chart the coverage of, even look up the filed papers and logs of....until you have physically witnessed a truck with a station logo painted on it?

I put it to you, that faking the shape of an LM descent stage in the appropriate location would be vastly simpler than faking the legions of other supporting data -- including, as an example, the Kaguya 3d mapping of the same terrain revealing details simply unknown even a decade before EXCEPT through the Apollo surface photography record.
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Oh Please...

NASA was sending spacecraft to map the moon's surface way back in 1966.

The Lunar Orbiter program was a series of five unmanned lunar orbiter missions launched by the United States from 1966 through 1967. Intended to help select Apollo landing sites by mapping the Moon's surface,[1] they provided the first photographs from lunar orbit.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



Nice try...
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You think I am unaware of Ranger, Surveyor... and let's not forget Lunkhod while we are at it...?

None returned images of the detail Kaguya revealed. Not even Clementine, flown many years after Apollo, achieved this level of detail.
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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Which false rumor - the one that says we landed on the moon or the one that says we did not land on the moon. Most of the scientific evidence points to no one landed on the moon; perhaps just a few joy rides around the planet earth.
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Really??? exactly what evidence are you referring to, every conspiracy theory related to the moon is complete bullshit. Show me and everyone else one actual piece of 'scientific' evidence that you didn't just imagine in your delusional head.
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If it was all fake why Apollo 13?
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... and why Apollo 1?? Those guys died!
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"B) Recent removal of surface layers in exactly the spots the landers occupied, in a way consistent with the descent engine, the described qualities of the lunar soil, and again the record of surface photography?"

Interesting that Kaguya would show something that the pictures alledgedly taken by the astronauts some tens of feet away don't show.
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Why couldn't they aim all four of them on the Apollo Moon Landing sites using adaptive optics technology to prove the Apollo landers are in fact there.

VLT - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Adaptive Optics - [link to en.wikipedia.org]



This would be so cool and put an end to all those false rumors.

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Who would you be doing this for?

The scientific community is quite happy with the existing evidence -- among that being imagery from recent robotic lunar missions.

The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location.

Please tell me what person would find this more convincing then the "few blurry pixels" already returned by spacecraft.
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Are you serious?

I mean come on dude, get real!

All images to date have come from NASA.

This would be the first time since the moon landings that a third party would verify the landings.

"The best "image" the VLT could provide would be quite similar; a few blurry pixels in the correct location."
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 1372226


WRONG!!! Go review the specs of the VLT again and you'll see that the possible resolution is much higher.

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The POSSIBLE resolution is higher. But at what wavelength? The last I checked the VLT gets its best resolution in infrared.
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We take pictures of atoms, we take pictures of distant galaxies at the edges of known space.

But we can't film the lunar landing site? Utter bullshit!



With all the different types of cameras in space, one has the ability to view the Moon.

If not, a simple satellite built to photo the moon could produce more then enough revenue via releasing the photos on the web.

Someone can make a quick lump sum of money, would have been done already. Someone keeps the secret down.

The Moon is alive with life, the lunar sites are over run with virus like lifeforms.

Which is why lunar rocks are illegal to posses. Potential for them to break open and release an organism with no known immunity. Plagues like this can happen from impacts on the moon, but they are still VERY deadly. Especially in an age with global travel.
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The POSSIBLE resolution is higher. But at what wavelength? The last I checked the VLT gets its best resolution in infrared.
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Then film the landing site just after the Sun heated up the metals to a different temp then the soils.

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