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The definitive Charles Manson support thread. Philosopher or Madman? MK Ultra OP? Why he should be in a mental health clinic and NOT prison!

 
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I am going to get some flak for this, which is expected. I ask though that you please read through my opinion thoroughly at what I am proposing. Shill support = 0% for this one.

Charles Manson - Is he a philosopher or really a madman as the media has portrayed him to be?

To me, he is the original "Man in the Mirror" and I think he is brilliant.

First listen unbiased to him speaking about TPTB decades before many of you were even born...



Manson should have never been sent to prison. He never commited the act of MURDER at all. That was proven.

Should he be locked up in a mental facility for the rest of his life? Absolutely. He has obvious mental instabilities and a way out there fantasy view of life. He was in and out of jail since a young teenage boy, raised fatherless by his drug-addicted, prostitute of a mother.

He didn't have the best life.

Going back to the main point, he never stabbed or shot anyone. He was miles and miles away from the location sleeping. If those dumb kids could get that easily "brainwashed", get messed up on LSD, and interpret what a mentally-ill man says as to go and murder someone, then THEY should be charged with murder, which they have.

Charles Manson himself should be commited to a high security MEDICAL facility. Not locked up in chains, in a hole, and being used as an iconization of evil.

Everything you can come up with to debate me calling him evil and a murderer is complete media propoganda. In the United States of America, we listen and weigh both options then come to a conclusion. You are basing everything off of what the media has told you or hearsay.

Here is some NEW footage of him on the news talking about Obama and Global Warming, I am including this to note the interesting and messed up spin the media still portrays of him and how all their facts are wrong:



Fact: Gary Hinman owed Charles Manson money. Family member Bobby Beausoleil along with Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins went to the house of acquaintance Gary Hinman, to persuade him to turn over money. The three held the uncooperative Hinman hostage for two days, during which Manson showed up with a sword to slash his ear. After that, Beausoleil stabbed Hinman to death.

You would be getting emotions involved and distorting facts, distoring these other 2 imaginary "students" with family members what were at the Hinman incident. Manson has admitted he did that assault in plenty of interviews, because he lives in truth and reality.

He has not, and WILL not admit he murdered ANYONE because he never pulled the trigger, never slashed anyone and killed them.

Again, do I think he should be free and trollop around in the fields? NO. He should have always been under supervised care for his obvious mental instabilities. Not treated as a double-standard where ANYONE else in his shoes would have had an average of maybe a 5-10 year sentence.

Wake up, and you do your research, go forward in time since your past is now clouded. Stop repeating lies of those who have hidden agendas with this man.

Propogation of lies run so deep, it scares me.

You can believe what the DA wants to fabricate, or you can believe it from the mouths of those involved. The basic gist goes "Charles, that guy really messed me over man, he won't give me my money he disrespected me....what should I do?" His response: "Well, do whatever you think you have to do man, then get what is yours."

...and then these tripped out young kids take what a man who says things as riddles and philosophical metaphoric statements as to kill and murder.

...and he gets charged? HE becomes the Icon of evil in the media for how long now? The boogeyman in the closet?

Little different than the rules and stipulations of an organized crime unit.

I personally thought his music was wonderful too, take a listen with an open mind and enjoy.

Charles loves music so much, that is really all he lives for. He would have loved for this thread to go out like this. Music, Astral Projection, Philosophy, Poetry, Humanism, Relationships, and a negative polarity of what you reflect onto him.

Soon, I am getting a tattoo of him being outside amongst the Air, Trees, Water and Animals (ATWA) playing guitar...being happy and free. I will post it here.

Peace to everyone.



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Damn, I knew I should have kept the subject material but change the title to: "Breaking...Pin...500 paratroopers in US Nuclear Sub off the coast of China!!!"
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not a big charlie rose fan but he handed manson his ass
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He epitomises the true path of neutrality, christ-consciousness. Trying to not be negative or positive. Just true to himself and true to how people present themselves to be to him. This almost brought a tear to my eye, thanks.
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YOU need to know the history of this psycho

He needs to be locked up SECURE

No, he is not a nice fellow and will do what he did again if let out

If he was not in a secure facility, he would find a way to escape

and one less real psycho off of the streets is ok by me


This guy is at least 25 or 30 cards less of a full deck.
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YOU need to know the history of this psycho

He needs to be locked up SECURE

No, he is not a nice fellow and will do what he did again if let out

If he was not in a secure facility, he would find a way to escape

and one less real psycho off of the streets is ok by me


This guy is at least 25 or 30 cards less of a full deck.
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Please post me facts of him commiting violent acts in prison, which he has been in basically 45-50 years. You can't. In fact I can cite many instances where the COs inside prison have beaten him to the point of losing consciousness/near death for no reason. Just to be assholes and prove a point to the rest of the prison population. Standing by and watching other prisoners beat the shit out of him and laugh. Then, would throw this man in the hole for weeks at a time. This has happened multiple occasions.

The only violent act he ever commited in his life, which he has admitted to numerous times, was slicing that mans ear which I mention in the original post. Please present some facts of him being an extremely violent psycho in and out of prison then it will be debateable.

Again for the record I DO think he should be in a very secure mental health facility, NOT regular jail with regular population. Where he is often exploited and thrown in the hole.

He has been asked in numerous interviews what he would do, if he were to ever be out of prison. His basic overall answer is always this: "I don't know...maybe go find a lake or something. Sit down by a big tree, just gaze up at the stars. Listen to the birds sing and the wolves howl. Wake up the next day, find myself a guitar, play some music, get some food...just live by myself in peace."

You know what? I believe him.

EDIT: Found an exact quote:

"I'd probably try to stop the rain forests from being cut down. I'd probably join the revolution down south somewhere and try to save my life on the planet Earth. I might go to Libya. I might go see the Ayatollah. I might go to France, catch somebody in France I'm upset with."

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He epitomises the true path of neutrality, christ-consciousness. Trying to not be negative or positive. Just true to himself and true to how people present themselves to be to him. This almost brought a tear to my eye, thanks.
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No prob OP LOL , he is a legend in his own right .
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Charles Manson's Helter Skelter theory is a pipie dream. If anything the asians might takeover being that they represent more than 1/3 of the global population. In terms of race, the asians out number everyone. Looking at their government the asians aren't iincapable of world dominance either.
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Charles Manson's Helter Skelter theory is a pipie dream. If anything the asians might takeover being that they represent more than 1/3 of the global population. In terms of race, the asians out number everyone. Looking at their government the asians aren't iincapable of world dominance either.
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Yes that theory overall is pretty ridiculous and I never agreed with that, I live in a very ethnically diverse area. It seems to be at a breaking point and could go 1 of 2 ways, we should see in our lifetime what definitive path it will lead us to.
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Charles talks about the direction the human species is going:


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OP! Thanks for clearing the path so I can post my thread called:

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OP! Thanks for clearing the path so I can post my thread called:

"The Official Ted Kaczynski was right about technology becoming too invasive"

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All The World Alive
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OP! Thanks for clearing the path so I can post my thread called:

"The Official Ted Kaczynski was right about technology becoming too invasive"

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Easy does it! If I can get my comp to cooperate, I do have something I would like to add.
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Charles Manson is crazy, but innocent. And the Assistant DA Vincent Buglios who profited millions of dollars from the case and who wrote the book Helter Skelter, should be jailed for convicting an innocent man. I have studied law and some of the Charles Manson case.

Manson never stabbed, shot, or killed any of the victims. He wasn't even there. At the time, with so much media coverage and fear, it is unlikely that a DA would have delivered the kind of effective closure the Los Angeles area had sought by convicting only the murderers.

Manson was merely as a symbolic lunatic Pied Piper for a wannabe family, but not someone who organised a criminal conspiracy to kill the victims.

Sadly, our society has created a multi-billion dollar prosecution system which machinery will crush most public defenders and poor defendants. Many of our imprisoned are mentally challenged and innocent, as is Manson. California has more percentage of our citizens in prison than the people of communist China and Russia.

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...and I will, thank you again AC for providing the flawless victory/fatality.

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Manson should have never been sent to prison. He never commited the act of MURDER at all. That was proven.

Going back to the main point, he never stabbed or shot anyone.

He has not, and WILL not admit he murdered ANYONE because he never pulled the trigger, never slashed anyone and killed them. this.
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TECHNICALLY True, But Manson DID pull a gun & shoot drug dealer Bernard "Lotsapoppa" Crowe & BELIEVED he had killed him (until he saw him in jail a year later, only having wounded him)

This one specific incident is thought by Manson scholars to have exacerbated Uncle Charlies Black/White Race War Paranoia by many degrees as he thought he had killed a black pather, whose wrath he fully expected in retribution..After that, things at the ranch went from all things love & fucking to the serious Gun-arming & doom laden preps the family made for the End...

[link to www.charliemanson.com]
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I have to agree with you on most of you supposition; because by and large, I see things the same way, as you, as him.

If we take a hard look at ourselves, and our leaders, it's easy to see why he is an easy mark.

I could do an entire thread just about Cheney. Is Cheney locked down?

Manson is very intelligent, and very talented. He has spent most of his life being misunderstood. And like everyone else, that has an innate desire for self-preservation, most of us will do what we feel we have to do, and let the chips fall where they may.

AS far as justice and judgment, the lie is different at every level.
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manson knows too much about dirty establishment secrets (CIA , hollywood, etc), that's why he is kept in jail.

it has nothing to do with he being some kind of dangerous person. this is what the media wants us to believe.
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nosaj- Don't you agree that he is dangerous? Even if he were put in a mental home he would master manipulate. Perhaps he is in your opinion a genius but he is also a sociopath and that is what makes him dangerous to society.
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I am going to get some flak for this, which is expected. I ask though that you please read through my opinion thoroughly at what I am proposing. Shill support = 0% for this one.

Charles Manson - Is he a philosopher or really a madman as the media has portrayed him to be?

To me, he is the original "Man in the Mirror" and I think he is brilliant.

First listen unbiased to him speaking about TPTB decades before many of you were even born...



Manson should have never been sent to prison. He never commited the act of MURDER at all. That was proven.

Should he be locked up in a mental facility for the rest of his life? Absolutely. He has obvious mental instabilities and a way out there fantasy view of life. He was in and out of jail since a young teenage boy, raised fatherless by his drug-addicted, prostitute of a mother.

He didn't have the best life.

Going back to the main point, he never stabbed or shot anyone. He was miles and miles away from the location sleeping. If those dumb kids could get that easily "brainwashed", get messed up on LSD, and interpret what a mentally-ill man says as to go and murder someone, then THEY should be charged with murder, which they have.

Charles Manson himself should be commited to a high security MEDICAL facility. Not locked up in chains, in a hole, and being used as an iconization of evil.

Everything you can come up with to debate me calling him evil and a murderer is complete media propoganda. In the United States of America, we listen and weigh both options then come to a conclusion. You are basing everything off of what the media has told you or hearsay.

Here is some NEW footage of him on the news talking about Obama and Global Warming, I am including this to note the interesting and messed up spin the media still portrays of him and how all their facts are wrong:



Fact: Gary Hinman owed Charles Manson money. Family member Bobby Beausoleil along with Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins went to the house of acquaintance Gary Hinman, to persuade him to turn over money. The three held the uncooperative Hinman hostage for two days, during which Manson showed up with a sword to slash his ear. After that, Beausoleil stabbed Hinman to death.

You would be getting emotions involved and distorting facts, distoring these other 2 imaginary "students" with family members what were at the Hinman incident. Manson has admitted he did that assault in plenty of interviews, because he lives in truth and reality.

He has not, and WILL not admit he murdered ANYONE because he never pulled the trigger, never slashed anyone and killed them.

Again, do I think he should be free and trollop around in the fields? NO. He should have always been under supervised care for his obvious mental instabilities. Not treated as a double-standard where ANYONE else in his shoes would have had an average of maybe a 5-10 year sentence.

Wake up, and you do your research, go forward in time since your past is now clouded. Stop repeating lies of those who have hidden agendas with this man.

Propogation of lies run so deep, it scares me.

You can believe what the DA wants to fabricate, or you can believe it from the mouths of those involved. The basic gist goes "Charles, that guy really messed me over man, he won't give me my money he disrespected me....what should I do?" His response: "Well, do whatever you think you have to do man, then get what is yours."

...and then these tripped out young kids take what a man who says things as riddles and philosophical metaphoric statements as to kill and murder.

...and he gets charged? HE becomes the Icon of evil in the media for how long now? The boogeyman in the closet?

Little different than the rules and stipulations of an organized crime unit.

I personally thought his music was wonderful too, take a listen with an open mind and enjoy.

Charles loves music so much, that is really all he lives for. He would have loved for this thread to go out like this. Music, Astral Projection, Philosophy, Poetry, Humanism, Relationships, and a negative polarity of what you reflect onto him.

Soon, I am getting a tattoo of him being outside amongst the Air, Trees, Water and Animals (ATWA) playing guitar...being happy and free. I will post it here.

Peace to everyone.


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just another drug addict... should be dead... he talked pure non-sense all the time and he is just another stupid hopeless fool.

for he hated life...real life... he hated it so much he mind-fukked others to take his hate out on others....


so you like him??? you might just be a hater too... how many people would you kill??
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Shoulda been gassed decades ago. crazy
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Manson should have never been sent to prison. He never commited the act of MURDER at all. That was proven.

Going back to the main point, he never stabbed or shot anyone.

He has not, and WILL not admit he murdered ANYONE because he never pulled the trigger, never slashed anyone and killed them. this.
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TECHNICALLY True, But Manson DID pull a gun & shoot drug dealer Bernard "Lotsapoppa" Crowe & BELIEVED he had killed him (until he saw him in jail a year later, only having wounded him)

This one specific incident is thought by Manson scholars to have exacerbated Uncle Charlies Black/White Race War Paranoia by many degrees as he thought he had killed a black pather, whose wrath he fully expected in retribution..After that, things at the ranch went from all things love & fucking to the serious Gun-arming & doom laden preps the family made for the End...

[link to www.charliemanson.com]
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Great response for this debate, especially because I never looked too deeply into that facet of the heavy mirror he carries. It is an interesting detail the case of Charles and Lotsapoppa.

I think TPTB at that time were trying to incite a race war, and use Charles as the igniter. In his own words, this is what he has to say about "Race War":



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I have to agree with you on most of you supposition; because by and large, I see things the same way, as you, as him.

If we take a hard look at ourselves, and our leaders, it's easy to see why he is an easy mark.

I could do an entire thread just about Cheney. Is Cheney locked down?


Manson is very intelligent, and very talented. He has spent most of his life being misunderstood. And like everyone else, that has an innate desire for self-preservation, most of us will do what we feel we have to do, and let the chips fall where they may.

AS far as justice and judgment, the lie is different at every level.
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Hmmm, great analogy and argument that I put in bold, very true. Most will just overlook that fact as always. Thanks for having a clear conscious and open-mind as well! Refreshing these days...

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manson knows too much about dirty establishment secrets (CIA , hollywood, etc), that's why he is kept in jail.

it has nothing to do with he being some kind of dangerous person. this is what the media wants us to believe.
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nosaj- Don't you agree that he is dangerous? Even if he were put in a mental home he would master manipulate. Perhaps he is in your opinion a genius but he is also a sociopath and that is what makes him dangerous to society.
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At this point of his life is he dangerous as a 76 year old man? Probably not. I think he deserves to be in a secure mental facility. Enjoying some decent meal and maybe getting to play a guitar once in awhile before he dies after being in general population animal prison for 50+ years of his life.

Maybe 20 years or so ago this argument would have been stronger in terms of his manipulative capabilities/"disobedient" temperment, but not now.

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just another drug addict... should be dead... he talked pure non-sense all the time and he is just another stupid hopeless fool.

for he hated life...real life... he hated it so much he mind-fukked others to take his hate out on others....


so you like him??? you might just be a hater too... how many people would you kill??
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You are the one who has hatred for what looks like to me a ghost.

Here is your answer, note his brilliant sarcasm. It does not get more real than this.


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Shoulda been gassed decades ago. crazy
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I am sure with the way he has been treated, having so much negativity cast upon him and such a cross to bear, he would unfortunately agree with you.

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Shoulda been gassed decades ago. crazy
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I am sure with the way he has been treated, having so much negativity cast upon him and such a cross to bear, he would unfortunately agree with you.
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Yes. In an alternate universe we'd not be having a discussion about this waste of space. The negativity cast upon him is of his own making as is his cross to bear.
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Ted Bundy has Groupies too..
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Ted Bundy has Groupies too..
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So does Richard Ramirez, John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer. One thing they all have in common? They are Serial Killers.

Not sure what this has to do with Charles Manson.
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