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The complete story of the dancing protest at the Jefferson Memorial: a timeline

 
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The original heavy-handed arrest in 2008 of a woman who was grooving to her Ipod at the statue of the author of the Declaration of Independence:
[link to dcist.com]



In 2009 Oberwetter filed suit over her arrest.
The lawsuit was dismissed in January of 2010:

In 2008, D.C. resident Brooke Oberwetter was arrested and held for several hours by Park Police for dancing inside the Jefferson Memorial with a group of about 20 nerdy libertarian wonk types who had convened for a silent midnight flash mob. The internet was not pleased. But today, a federal appellate panel ruled that the Park Police were justified in hauling Oberwetter off that evening.

Oberwetter had filed suit against the arresting officer, Kenneth Hilliard, in 2009. In the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's opinion on the matter, Judge Thomas B. Griffith wrote that dancing in the memorial is "prohibited because it stands out as a type of performance, creating its own center of attention and distracting from the atmosphere of solemn commemoration that the Regulations are designed to preserve."

"Outside the Jefferson Memorial, of course, Oberwetter and her friends have always been free to dance to their hearts' content," Griffith writes.

It's actually a somewhat surprising ruling -- after all, Oberwetter was represented by Heller attorney Alan Gura and considering that the justice system was actually spending time considering whether the "solemn atmosphere" of a memorial can be intruded on by a bunch of people silently dancing while no one else is there.

[link to mobile.dcist.com]



And then, the inevitable act of CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE this Friday to protest the ridiculous ruling which was met with a lot of police force, including the arrest of a guy who was only kissing his girlfriend:
[link to www.dailykos.com]


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Oberwetter had filed suit against the arresting officer, Kenneth Hilliard, in 2009. In the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's opinion on the matter, Judge Thomas B. Griffith wrote that dancing in the memorial is "prohibited because it stands out as a type of performance, creating its own center of attention and distracting from the atmosphere of solemn commemoration that the Regulations are designed to preserve."


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I don't understand why remembering the life and deeds of a man the stature of Thomas Jefferson needs to be a "solemn commemoration". Why must his death be mourned and grieved for yet his life can not be celebrated and revered?
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

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Oberwetter had filed suit against the arresting officer, Kenneth Hilliard, in 2009. In the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's opinion on the matter, Judge Thomas B. Griffith wrote that dancing in the memorial is "prohibited because it stands out as a type of performance, creating its own center of attention and distracting from the atmosphere of solemn commemoration that the Regulations are designed to preserve."


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I don't understand why remembering the life and deeds of a man the stature of Thomas Jefferson needs to be a "solemn commemoration". Why must his death be mourned and grieved for yet his life can not be celebrated and revered?
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I can't help but think that Jefferson would be cheering on the dancers at his memorial.
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Oberwetter had filed suit against the arresting officer, Kenneth Hilliard, in 2009. In the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's opinion on the matter, Judge Thomas B. Griffith wrote that dancing in the memorial is "prohibited because it stands out as a type of performance, creating its own center of attention and distracting from the atmosphere of solemn commemoration that the Regulations are designed to preserve."


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I don't understand why remembering the life and deeds of a man the stature of Thomas Jefferson needs to be a "solemn commemoration". Why must his death be mourned and grieved for yet his life can not be celebrated and revered?
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I can't help but think that Jefferson would be cheering on the dancers at his memorial.
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Of course he would!
Obviously.
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Oberwetter had filed suit against the arresting officer, Kenneth Hilliard, in 2009. In the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's opinion on the matter, Judge Thomas B. Griffith wrote that dancing in the memorial is "prohibited because it stands out as a type of performance, creating its own center of attention and distracting from the atmosphere of solemn commemoration that the Regulations are designed to preserve."


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I don't understand why remembering the life and deeds of a man the stature of Thomas Jefferson needs to be a "solemn commemoration". Why must his death be mourned and grieved for yet his life can not be celebrated and revered?
 Quoting: AC914884


I can't help but think that Jefferson would be cheering on the dancers at his memorial.
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I could see a bottle or two of wine being opened and passed around, an act that would probably get you tazed if you did it today, with glass bottles being considered potential deadly weapons and all.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

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Because people don't understand this story.
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Thomas Jefferson is one of my favorite people in history.
I feel that the actions of the judge and police are an affront to everything he lived for and a violation to the peoples First amendment.

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."Thomas Jefferson

And also... "Taste cannot be controlled by law."Thomas Jefferson

You can not regulate a sense of what is socially acceptable or proper.

"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be."
Thomas Jefferson

FAIL.
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all judges are idiots !
What I find fantastic is any notion that there are answers beyond the realm of science. The answers are there. You just have to know where to look.

We're all gonna die. The only question is when & how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your knees... begging?! I ain't much for begging! Nobody ever gave me nothing!
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This situation is a tragedy and a true indicator of just how far we have moved from the intentions our Founding Fathers clearly laid out in our Constitution.

The ruling and law that it was based on are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Rulings like this set a DANGEROUS precedent, which will be cited endlessly as the Government continues to chip away at one of our most basic of rights Freedom of Expression.

Watch the video, the couple were arrested for an Interpreted Intent.

What is an Interpreted Intent? Apparently, it is your THOUGHTS being expressed physically.

If you have a cramp in your back, and swing left to right, a Thought Crime may have been wrongfully identified.

A sharp eyed Thought Enforcement Officer may INTERPRET that motion as you "Doing the Twist", one of the THOUSANDS of body motions now ILLEGAL to express.

You will be violently arrested for such an obviously horrendous vulgar display of self expression.

My God this story makes me sick on so many levels... this is something out of the Twilight Zone.

=o/
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This situation is a tragedy and a true indicator of just how far we have moved from the intentions our Founding Fathers clearly laid out in our Constitution.

The ruling and law that it was based on are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Rulings like this set a DANGEROUS precedent, which will be cited endlessly as the Government continues to chip away at one of our most basic of rights Freedom of Expression.

Watch the video, the couple were arrested for an Interpreted Intent.

What is an Interpreted Intent? Apparently, it is your THOUGHTS being expressed physically.

If you have a cramp in your back, and swing left to right, a Thought Crime may have been wrongfully identified.

A sharp eyed Thought Enforcement Officer may INTERPRET that motion as you "Doing the Twist", one of the THOUSANDS of body motions now ILLEGAL to express.

You will be violently arrested for such an obviously horrendous vulgar display of self expression.

My God this story makes me sick on so many levels... this is something out of the Twilight Zone.

=o/
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This situation is a tragedy and a true indicator of just how far we have moved from the intentions our Founding Fathers clearly laid out in our Constitution.

The ruling and law that it was based on are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Rulings like this set a DANGEROUS precedent, which will be cited endlessly as the Government continues to chip away at one of our most basic of rights Freedom of Expression.

Watch the video, the couple were arrested for an Interpreted Intent.

What is an Interpreted Intent? Apparently, it is your THOUGHTS being expressed physically.

If you have a cramp in your back, and swing left to right, a Thought Crime may have been wrongfully identified.

A sharp eyed Thought Enforcement Officer may INTERPRET that motion as you "Doing the Twist", one of the THOUSANDS of body motions now ILLEGAL to express.

You will be violently arrested for such an obviously horrendous vulgar display of self expression.

My God this story makes me sick on so many levels... this is something out of the Twilight Zone.

=o/
 Quoting: STYLIE

 Quoting: anoNWO 1370091


THIS TIMES 9 billion! BRAVO!!!
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This situation is a tragedy and a true indicator of just how far we have moved from the intentions our Founding Fathers clearly laid out in our Constitution.

The ruling and law that it was based on are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Rulings like this set a DANGEROUS precedent, which will be cited endlessly as the Government continues to chip away at one of our most basic of rights Freedom of Expression.

Watch the video, the couple were arrested for an Interpreted Intent.

What is an Interpreted Intent? Apparently, it is your THOUGHTS being expressed physically.

If you have a cramp in your back, and swing left to right, a Thought Crime may have been wrongfully identified.

A sharp eyed Thought Enforcement Officer may INTERPRET that motion as you "Doing the Twist", one of the THOUSANDS of body motions now ILLEGAL to express.

You will be violently arrested for such an obviously horrendous vulgar display of self expression.

My God this story makes me sick on so many levels... this is something out of the Twilight Zone.

=o/
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 Quoting: anoNWO 1370091


THIS TIMES 9 billion! BRAVO!!!
 Quoting: ANoNWO 1370091


yep....and the slippery slope just gets slicker and faster and faster at the end
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This has become the land of disrespect.

I doubt that those who visited the monument that day were there to see some guy groping and kissing his girlfriend.
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This has become the land of disrespect.

I doubt that those who visited the monument that day were there to see some guy groping and kissing his girlfriend.
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Agreed, they should have been warned. It's unclear if they had been or not.

The officers did more to damage the meaning of that memorial then two people kissing ever could.
Based on the findings of the report, my conclusion was that this idea was not a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious. - Dr. Strangelove

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'who is it that gets together in mobs and hunts down, tortures and kills people who are different from them? Who is it that teaches modesty, courtesy, and generosity but lives in depravity, rudeness and greed? Who is it that can gather together the time, energy and money to murder millions and destroy cities for the sake of a flag, Deity, or economic system? Not weirdos, not kooks, or cranks or nuts. It's the "Normal" people who do those things...' -Some book somewhere
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Thomas Jefferson is one of my favorite people in history.
I feel that the actions of the judge and police are an affront to everything he lived for and a violation to the peoples First amendment.

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."Thomas Jefferson

And also... "Taste cannot be controlled by law."Thomas Jefferson

You can not regulate a sense of what is socially acceptable or proper.

"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be."
Thomas Jefferson

FAIL.
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Americas founding fathers understood...

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
Thomas Jefferson

"Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence."
Thomas Jefferson

"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
Thomas Jefferson

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it."
Thomas Jefferson

"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."
Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
Thomas Jefferson

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Thomas Jefferson

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Thomas Jefferson

"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government."
Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Thomas Jefferson

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This has become the land of disrespect.

I doubt that those who visited the monument that day were there to see some guy groping and kissing his girlfriend.
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What the hell?
You think the Jefferson Memorial is a graveyard or something?
Even in a graveyard you're allowed to kiss without being ARRESTED.


WTF is wrong with you SHEEP??
sheep
To answer my own question, too much fluoride and high fructose corn syrup and not enough education or courage.
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