The Upcoming Year will be very Difficult on the Elderly!

Lots of shit going on with old people these days.

They are being forced into guardianships by corrupt judges and having all their things stolen from them and left homeless.

Google it on the web. Keep a beady eye on them, the fucking predators are out in force.

That's true - and if you are elderly, keep an eye on your relatives too! There was a good illustration of this a decade ago in AZ. An elderly widow who had a lot of valuable real estate. The danger? She was a second wife. The children from her husband's first marriage terrorized her until she met them with a shotgun. Then the kids found a judge to declare her 'unstable' and committed her and the evil kids stole all the land!

Lesson: ladies, never marry guys who have kids from an earlier marriage. If he dies before you do, those kids will stop at nothing to take everything you both have. The government is bad enough but really, treachery is usually far closer to home.

Why do I say ladies instead of gentlemen? Because elderly women, of the 'old school' don't generally protect their own interests quite as well as the men do and are more inclined to trust their families. Big mistake!

One reason that I will never remarry! Why buy the bull!!!

I really rather loathe the elderly. Can't wait for my 88 year old mean and demented father to pass.

Hey, screw you punk! You will respect the elderly...gray rage! Gray rage!

Ahh X! I understand there are many Old ones that are cranky and full of hate...it was/is the system that they were brought up in....believe me...it must suck to be old right now!

Hope you will cut him a break when it gets real tough!

Gray rage! That's funny!

Cause of Jupiter return, At every new Jupiter, the good ones go to Heaven..

It is Jupiter that takes them home. This is a Rosicrucian and esoteric teaching..

^^THIS^^

God, I just need to live somewhere else, being here with him has flat out been the worse year of my life. (And I certainly have not led a charmed life, so that is saying plenty)

But, yeah, must suck to be 88. Imma gonna have another cigarette now.

When you hit middle age, as I have, it's damned difficult to find a guy that doesn't have kids somewhere. I'm widowed and have been getting more (unwelcome) attention than I ever thought possible from old rejects who've been tossed out by at least two wives! If I ever find anybody I like, I'll just 'live in sin.' Anything I have is already set to be inherited by Friends of Animals animal sanctuary.

The sad truth is that nobody is going to cover your ass but you. When it comes to money, these days, you just can't trust anybody at all. Material profit is even more devastating to morals and ethics than drug addiction. The elderly widow in AZ's mistake? She didn't actually use that shotgun! Never leave an enemy behind you. Had she done that, she could have offered some of that real estate for a smart lawyer and got off scot free.

Quite true, especially when people start placing their trust in material stuff.

I hear ya sista!

That "no kids" criterion eliminates about 85% of single men out there.

And if the Rosicrucians said it, then it MUST be true.

I can prove it, want to see the Jupiter line over every major tornado and earthquake?

Anyways ! My Father died during his Jupiter return, so hush it !!!!!!!!

How did this thread turn into what it has in the first page alone.

Call your grandparents/parents/friends and say what's up is the lesson. Nothing more.

Last Edited by Rahb Wells on 05/31/2011 08:29 PM

It's easy to do when wealth is about the only thing that protects the elderly and vulnerable from predation. I have never really seen the utility in philosophies that promise us justice after we die but show no formula for covering our butts while alive! It takes more than faith to protect oneself. It takes brains and will. Faith may help us get the will but not the brains, alas.


Glad to know you're around! We'll have no civilization left after TSHTF without strong ladies to protect and restore the best of its values.


That's the sad part, isn't it? A prenuptial contract might help and then, making certain to establish residency just as far away from that 'baggage' as possible - preferably a different country entirely. I admit to certain prejudices: a man with failed relationships in his past is not a good prospect in any case. That shows poor judgment and weak character. The leopard doesn't change its spots and that goes for both sexes.

Lets face it some of them just need to move on, if you're over 80 you've have a good run...........don't fight it.

I can't wait to become a dirty old man :pedoalert:

Don't fight what?? If you'd make destitute and murder your own elderly, you're no better than a savage and you'll be sorry indeed when you find yourself at the mercy of people like that. I think we civilized people made a mistake in dealing with savages. For once, General Sherman was right: remove them all. Nits breed lice. Our tolerance of barbarism has borne evil fruit in giving us the dangerous world we live in now.

Just let all the favorite wives know to have their husbands t.o.d. everything to them before he dies. Then it goes to her nearest relative if she's deamed unfit.

You'd be surprised how many husbands don't like to even think of preparing for sudden death. Most people don't expect to die when they do and there are always loose ends. And 'deemed unfit' was my whole point. The husbands kids got to a judge. When there's a lot of money involved, most judges are corrupt. When I say 'valuable real estate' in the Phoenix area, I'm talking about millions.

Put the money in an irrevocable trust. Give cash out of the trust (either monthly or lump sum) to whomever you wish. If there are "contingent" beneficiaries, put in a clause about "anyone contesting the terms of the trust has their share reduced to 1 dollar per year." Be fair with your kids. Don't cut them out. Leave enough to your spouse to see to his/her support in view of other assets they may have. A widow inheriting a house that is paid for needs enough income to pay the taxes and upkeep on the house, plus enough for their own food, medical care, personal items, etc. Just the house is not enough unless they have other income of their own. Your 2nd wife probably wouldn't want the house you built with your first wife and raised your family in. It has no emotional value for her. While, by contrast, your kids who grew up in that home might want a chance to raise their own family there. Give them options. Remember to balance it out. Also remember that current RE values are 1/2 or 1/3rd of what they were a few short years ago. Get an appraisal if you're in doubt about the real market value of the property today, as it sits. Your five million dollar house may now only be worth a million or two. Could be more and it could be less. But find out for certain rather than assuming and acting in information that isn't accurate. If the eldest son gets the house, then the younger kids should get offsetting cash to make it fair and equal. However the exception is if one of your kids is making a ton of money and his brothers/sisters are not - he may not want a large inheritance. Where the other siblings might need it. Find out what they want and need by asking! Nothing like a candid conversation to find out peoples needs, wants, and expectations.

Also, at the end of life is no time to be holding grudges. It is time to forgive past wrongs and hope you get the same forgiveness, yourself. Heaven knows you've made mistakes too! And hurt others in the process even though you didn't mean to do so.

Remember you cannot control people from beyond the grave. It's fine to protect a child if they need it (say you've got a son or daughter who's got a drug problem.) You can arrange a trustee to look after their money and prevent their burning thru their inheritance as long as they have this problem. But if they can demonstrate a year or of sobriety, then they no longer need a guardian or trustee controlling their spending and if they choose to blow it at that point, so be it. It's their money then, not your money any longer.

If you have a son or daughter who's well off, then consider leaving their share of your estate to their children. Your grandchildren. This is usually done by agreement with their father/mother who would normally be inheriting from you but for one reason or another do not wish to do so.

Considering how many young people there are today ready to kill their elders off, I'm not so soft when it comes to 'kids.' All they want from their parents is what their parents worked for. You'll find it's a very small minority that actually spend any time and effort - let alone money - to take care of elderly relatives. Parents owe their children support till they're of legal age; they don't owe them a dime after that. No law compels a parent to give his property to his offspring or ex-spouses and their offspring. That only happens if he dies intestate.

To those who chose to "live in sin" be careful. In some states, if you live with your partner for 6 or 7 years it's considered a common law marriage, and your partner is then entitled as a spouse would be.

THIS

I get concerned about this very thing with my husband's family.

The kids are very nice to your face but

I know how they really are....

My husband is 14 years my senior. If he were to die before me

I have it all worked out so they will NOT screw me over.

I am always watching and NEVER trust anyone...

this is how you have to be today

it is sad but if one is naive they end up like the poor woman who was committed...

Aw pipe down, you ol poop!

Is that still true? I know it used to be, but I know it's not true in my midwestern state anymore. I've been with the same woman for 22+ years now. We're not married, but that's mainly because both of us had past bad experiences with marriage (and both of her first husbands shared my first name too). We're married in every way except a piece of paper, but the law doesn't treat us that way, no common law stuff here. So we've had to make out wills and powers of attorney and so on. Not a big deal, but i kinda wish common law marriage still DID apply here. I think it should, at least after 20 years. Most ACTUAL marriages don't last anywhere near as long as we have.