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Sony Hacked again. 1,000,000 users' personal information compromised | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1225932  United States06/02/2011 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1383948 United States06/02/2011 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look up a hacker named GeoHotz for a reason why this is happening to Sony. Also, Sony screwed over PS3 enthusiests by locking it down so you can't run linux on it anymore and use it on PS3 network/get updates. Sony basically raised a big arrogant middle finger to the community which was the wrong thing. Now, every single squishy hole in the sony network is being probed in the vilest way possible. What this will mean is more government control of the internet. These hackers are out of control. I'm not saying Sony didn't deserve it in some way, but this isn't going to end well for anyone. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well i hope you geeks stand for something how about hacking into the black boxes in cars the speed cam ticket cams something the fed irs anything rfid chips they want to put into our arms credit card fraud smart meters from the power company list goes on and on anyways carry on with video games atleast you put 1 million chinas prisoners out of work |
Element5541  User ID: 864328 United States06/02/2011 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Element5541Haha, no. That comparison isn't the same as the hacker vs Sony scenario. Blaming the airport and national security for 9/11 would be more comparable. The fact that Sony didn't take proper security measures is their own fault. Somebody pointed it out (i.e. hacked) them. Would you not blame yourself if you didn't lock your car at night and somebody stole stuff from it? I'm not saying the whole blame should get put onto you, but you played a part (without realizing it), in the theft. Now, let's take this further and say that somebody noticed you hadn't locked your doors and they told you that you should from now on because of recent thefts in the neighborhood. But, you don't act on it after the first incident and keep your doors unlocked. The next time it happens, you are again, still to blame and in fact I'd say more so than the thief - you welcomed it in after a first theft and a warning. See what your saying but you can run that in reverse as well. You had your doors locked but you didn't have the steel door and steel framing w high tech expensive locks. They broke the window because you didn't have steel bars, they sawed through them because you didn't have the titanium... you get the point. Sony at fault, no BUT THEY DID make it easier for the hackers to cause a harm. Then again it's a company not a Human Being, so I feel worse for the customers then Sony. I agree with your first paragraph, that it can be run in reverse, but only IF Sony had put in some type of security measures in the first place. However, they never did :) In fact, the first hack was done via the PS3 console. The hackers flashed the PS3 with a firmware that made PSN think it was a dev box and it willingly gave them all the information that got hacked, unencrypted and in plain text. Did the hackers not have to give any false information then to gain access to the data. If I "fool a lock cylinder and pins" I hacked it and it's called lock picking. AT what point did the hackers "knowingly" go somewhere they should not have knowing they were crossing a line. I'm just trying to describe where that "line" is and what do we do with it? I suppose I'm applying a superficial moral aspect to it but if it's not your network stay the hell out of it. If it's not your house (EVEN if the door is open) don't just walk in. Soon we'll need an Internet Second Amendment.  They gave no false information to gain access. It was a feature on the PS3 that got activated by a firmware update that got loaded by the hacker(s). There was no policy or security measures in place to prevent anybody from turning their PS3 into a dev box - that act alone isn't illegal (the ToS have been updated since to include this I believe); however, once the box was recognized as a dev box, it gave that person access to all account information. Taking that information was illegal, but doing whatever you want to your PS3 isn't illegal. Same as if I hack someones web server via my PS3, Sony will not be held accountable, because once I pay for their product it becomes mine. |
| Element5541 User ID: 864328 United States06/02/2011 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same as if I hack someones web server via my PS3, Sony will not be held accountable, because once I pay for their product it becomes mine." so i pay taxes and bought and paid for my government now what? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well i hope you geeks stand for something how about hacking into the black boxes in cars the speed cam ticket cams Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1360829It will happen.....trust me :) i hope so because i really think big brother thnks tech can control us all if you are here for a reason then you have my blessings |
| Element5541 User ID: 864328 United States06/02/2011 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Element5541Haha, no. That comparison isn't the same as the hacker vs Sony scenario. Blaming the airport and national security for 9/11 would be more comparable. The fact that Sony didn't take proper security measures is their own fault. Somebody pointed it out (i.e. hacked) them. Would you not blame yourself if you didn't lock your car at night and somebody stole stuff from it? I'm not saying the whole blame should get put onto you, but you played a part (without realizing it), in the theft. Now, let's take this further and say that somebody noticed you hadn't locked your doors and they told you that you should from now on because of recent thefts in the neighborhood. But, you don't act on it after the first incident and keep your doors unlocked. The next time it happens, you are again, still to blame and in fact I'd say more so than the thief - you welcomed it in after a first theft and a warning. See what your saying but you can run that in reverse as well. You had your doors locked but you didn't have the steel door and steel framing w high tech expensive locks. They broke the window because you didn't have steel bars, they sawed through them because you didn't have the titanium... you get the point. Sony at fault, no BUT THEY DID make it easier for the hackers to cause a harm. Then again it's a company not a Human Being, so I feel worse for the customers then Sony. I agree with your first paragraph, that it can be run in reverse, but only IF Sony had put in some type of security measures in the first place. However, they never did :) In fact, the first hack was done via the PS3 console. The hackers flashed the PS3 with a firmware that made PSN think it was a dev box and it willingly gave them all the information that got hacked, unencrypted and in plain text. Did the hackers not have to give any false information then to gain access to the data. If I "fool a lock cylinder and pins" I hacked it and it's called lock picking. AT what point did the hackers "knowingly" go somewhere they should not have knowing they were crossing a line. I'm just trying to describe where that "line" is and what do we do with it? I suppose I'm applying a superficial moral aspect to it but if it's not your network stay the hell out of it. If it's not your house (EVEN if the door is open) don't just walk in. Soon we'll need an Internet Second Amendment. Oh, FYI - I do understand what you are saying and I agree that trespassing is trespassing no matter what world you are walking it; however, people need to also realize that there are those people out there that will take advantage of that door being left open, that network being unsecured, etc... my point is that when you are in control of thousands of peoples personal data, you should assume responsibility of keeping it safe by all means. Leaving it open, is only asking for trouble :) |
| Element5541 User ID: 864328 United States06/02/2011 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dont vote User ID: 1412145 United States06/02/2011 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1331258 United States06/02/2011 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Element5541 User ID: 864328 United States06/02/2011 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was playing just a few hours ago. Even so I still haven't put a cc on file, so they aint got shit from me Quoting: Dont voteYou're smart - if you want to buy stuff, you can easily get a PSN prepaid card from GameStop and other electronic outlets. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948238 United States06/02/2011 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | anyone think maybe its Microsoft attacking Sony? Quoting: ArmedonLSDNo. They are took busy attacking themselves. STANDARD OIL NEW YORK guess what? SONY is a rockefeller company!! Wake UP remember the USS LIBERTY!!! Israel attacked America !!! |
| Element5541 User ID: 864328 United States06/02/2011 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | element is it true google street view cams went around and took images of the inside of our homes just like the full body scanners are doing at the airports? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1360829LOL - I've heard this rumor, but I can't answer this honestly because I haven't seen the data. There was a concern over the regular camera view snapping shots of inside of people's open windows, and seeing things that some wanted to keep hidden. Things like people having sex, who was living at a certain house, what time of day cars weren't in the driveway, and what type of exterior security one has, etc... Body scanner cam I can't confirm though. Last Edited by Element5541 on 06/02/2011 11:22 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1246336 United States06/02/2011 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| murat User ID: 1334974 United States06/02/2011 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have my information to. This was after the owner of Sony gave me his word that Sony would always have my six. Safter than a doctors office they said! Lies! No where is safe! You boys do as like out there just make sure your paperwork is in order. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1386422  Canada06/02/2011 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| RB2 User ID: 1391311 United States06/02/2011 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This seems like, fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me. You would have thought that Sony would have taken a 2nd look at their security but I guess not. All I can hope is that the hackings start to mean something a bit more than these trite personal vendettas. I mean the real victim in this are the common players or civilians. Prices for Sony related crap will go up as they pass on their losses to us civilians. Not to mention, what do you think people are going to attempt to do with the civilians data? Never underestimate the intellect of today's determined tech savvy individuals. We can only hope thought whatever group doing this starts to shift their crosshairs to more important endeavors. |
| Element5541 User ID: 864328 United States06/02/2011 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1386422 Hahaha...hashed password...funny :) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1157608 United States06/02/2011 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1157608See what your saying but you can run that in reverse as well. You had your doors locked but you didn't have the steel door and steel framing w high tech expensive locks. They broke the window because you didn't have steel bars, they sawed through them because you didn't have the titanium... you get the point. Sony at fault, no BUT THEY DID make it easier for the hackers to cause a harm. Then again it's a company not a Human Being, so I feel worse for the customers then Sony. I agree with your first paragraph, that it can be run in reverse, but only IF Sony had put in some type of security measures in the first place. However, they never did :) In fact, the first hack was done via the PS3 console. The hackers flashed the PS3 with a firmware that made PSN think it was a dev box and it willingly gave them all the information that got hacked, unencrypted and in plain text. Did the hackers not have to give any false information then to gain access to the data. If I "fool a lock cylinder and pins" I hacked it and it's called lock picking. AT what point did the hackers "knowingly" go somewhere they should not have knowing they were crossing a line. I'm just trying to describe where that "line" is and what do we do with it? I suppose I'm applying a superficial moral aspect to it but if it's not your network stay the hell out of it. If it's not your house (EVEN if the door is open) don't just walk in. Soon we'll need an Internet Second Amendment. Oh, FYI - I do understand what you are saying and I agree that trespassing is trespassing no matter what world you are walking it; however, people need to also realize that there are those people out there that will take advantage of that door being left open, that network being unsecured, etc... my point is that when you are in control of thousands of peoples personal data, you should assume responsibility of keeping it safe by all means. Leaving it open, is only asking for trouble :) Thank you, it's just the moral response I meant. Of course there will always be those that take advantage open doors but that is what I meant earlier, where is this line? How far through the door do you walk before calling it trespassing? I say they crossed it before Sony did. EVEN AS SLACK JAWED as there security was SOMEONE saw what they had gotten access to secret info that they probably shouldn't have and ran with it, inviting identity theft for a million users. Who is the victim in the end? Sony corp or the innocent users that trusted them AND where is the threshold for curiosity VS hacking. You bring up good points just THAT LINE troubles me. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1412363 United States06/02/2011 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The door wasn't opened. Those idiots HACKED into Sony's severs. idiot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1338052Appearantly you should NOT be calling people Idiot. Since no information about HOW the hack was done, and the only information we have is that the hackers had to tell Sony they did it. This would mean Sony bears some responsibility for their lack of consciousness on their own network. Especially since this was the second time this has happened. Actually, if you looked at the link I posted, their website explained exactly how they did it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1410519 Canada06/02/2011 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Glad I don't own a ps3 not like I have any money too steal anyways |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This seems like, fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me. You would have thought that Sony would have taken a 2nd look at their security but I guess not. Quoting: RB2All I can hope is that the hackings start to mean something a bit more than these trite personal vendettas. I mean the real victim in this are the common players or civilians. Prices for Sony related crap will go up as they pass on their losses to us civilians. Not to mention, what do you think people are going to attempt to do with the civilians data? Never underestimate the intellect of today's determined tech savvy individuals. We can only hope thought whatever group doing this starts to shift their crosshairs to more important endeavors. like we need lower wages lose of jobs net censorship in these times |
| LOLjustLOL User ID: 1412355 United States06/02/2011 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody hacked Sony. Just trying to get us to let aunt Sam hold all of our data. You know, Obama did just push for that. Also, they love to push cloud computing... Meaning your awesome computer will be a nice looking Web-TV box. All your pictures, songs, movies, etc, stored on their server. No power for you, good bye. The ones bragging: Agents, a real hacker would be worried about being tacked and faced with huge amounts of jail time. Lame. Do you not remember the Anonymous kids who got their doors kicked in by SWAT teams for the amazon denial of service attack? (oh, fuck you Feds, SWAT for everything, what a bunch of pussies.) SWAT for Amish farmers, pot dealers, 15 year old hackers... Mean time, gangs rape your city... Pussies   |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360829 United States06/02/2011 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody hacked Sony. Just trying to get us to let aunt Sam hold all of our data. You know, Obama did just push for that. Also, they love to push cloud computing... Meaning your awesome computer will be a nice looking Web-TV box. All your pictures, songs, movies, etc, stored on their server. No power for you, good bye. Quoting: LOLjustLOL 1412355The ones bragging: Agents, a real hacker would be worried about being tacked and faced with huge amounts of jail time. Lame. Do you not remember the Anonymous kids who got their doors kicked in by SWAT teams for the amazon denial of service attack? (oh, fuck you Feds, SWAT for everything, what a bunch of pussies.) SWAT for Amish farmers, pot dealers, 15 year old hackers... Mean time, gangs rape your city... Pussies about time where have you been? |
| Zion83n6 User ID: 1330224 United States06/02/2011 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who are they looking for, these 'hackers'? Quoting: Mister ObviousMaybe it's just a conspiracy to get info on a super exclusive person. OBVIOUSLY they are looking for Neo#7 That's probably the reason TS is HTF. I think they have a name and address by now. From the credit card info. It was not Microsoft sabotage. |
