thinking about throwing on a backpack and walking the coutry...what do I need to know to stay out of trouble??

We do have one, it is called the American Discovery Trail.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

You are right.

Also in the 1930's the population wasn't as large at about 123 million people. People had room to breathe and weren't as stressed out and of course not as scared. They would help strangers.

Now we have over 310 million people not including undocumented workers. We are more cramped together and majorly stressed out. People want to cocoon themselves and hide. And with all the media sending fear out no one wants to deal with strangers anymore. We also have a major lack of morality these days that was unheard of or not condoned in the 1930's. Common decency is pretty much gone.

thenewearth.org
glp.com/jupiter ignition

This X1000. The moral fabric of society has evaporated and we have been infiltrated by people who do not share the values this nation was built on. It is a shame to be part of the generation that is overseeing the collapse of this once great nation.

watch Rambo- First Blood

Bring a small radio to listen to coast to coast am

1- do not use major freeways - esp in the south

2- avoid the south in summer and the north in winter

3- churches are your friend

4- don't jump on a moving train

5- don't steal from those who help you

6- be willing to work - and you'll often be rewarded without needing to work

7- don't get in vehicles with nut, drunk, or pervert

carry money strapped onto your leg where it can't get taken

8- do not carry a loaded gun unless you have permit - and the permit is for the state you are in

9- have antibiotics, pain reliever, sewing kit, water filter and water

10 - pack very light but have food -- bad economy makes it hard to get food from even the churches -- foodstamps can buy freeze dried food in sports supply at walmart

love yourself

love everything

align yourself with Mother Gaia, her frequency

you are the light

love

open your heart

invisibility...

sleeping - overpasses are still a good place, except on freeways. don't be seen climbing in. some even have shelter built inside

truckstops, in back near the woods

restareas - don't get seen walking into the woods

DC - no longer safe to sleep out on street - but still doable - better to go into the town nearby and stay in the 24hr laundry

some rest. still offer a sandwich fixing bar - order a cheese sandwich - and then LOAD up your sandwich. water is usually free or a quarter

most towns have some kind of travelers aid - but often won't help hitchers. try missions, churches, and human services - you are officially homeless and without income - you qualify for emergency foodstamps and housing in most areas.

but do not carry any drugs or weapons - you can expect to be searched at least a couple times --oh and cops are still willing to hire some folks to come in and "clean up" their towns (narc work). some smal towns have really nice cops who will put a man to work for a day or 2 and pay VERY well - for simple things like sweeping, mowing, etc... So, usually - don't trust the cops, but not all are bad

there are communities 2 -- such as 12 tribes, H.O.M.E., anarchists, and sustainable communities (hundreds of them - look on i-net). Can even go to Israel, India, etc.. And other places if you are willing to work or teach (Mexico, S.A.)

DO NOT DO THIS. You will regret it. Mark my words. Just the harassment you will encounter from the police is going to be a nightmare. And if you need their help to protect you from all the thugs you will encounter they are going to "help" you into a jail cell and maybe beat you up too. And take all of your belongings. Just don't do it.

This is really interesting.

Most of the pansies out there whining or who you'd need to worry about wouldn't be able to stay away from a city for more than 2 weeks, tops. Just stay far away from the cities and life will be peachy.

The moment you get near a city you will be pegged as "homeless" and then you lose all rights. Stay in the country and don't let anyone know you are homeless, nor stay in any one spot for more than a night. Migrate often. If you do this you'll seem like you are a rich brat rebeling against mommy and daddy and the system, living on the trails, and pretending you are someone who actually gives a damn. Even if you're in your forties (rich brats never grow up)!

When people ask about you tell them some made-up story about your daddy being a banker and your mommy a social elite busy-buddy, that they are both philanthropists, and you are their oldest son who can't stand their FAKE personalities and FAKE care for the world. Say it while you bitch about some fat redneck smoking a cigarette (do that and then flatter the redneck you are talking too immediately afterwards, and act like you think he is so stupid he didn't realize what you just did) and then pick a candy wrapper off the ground or something and talk about how awesome you are and how much more you care than everyone else. Flop your wrist around a little and try to act like you've had your manhood cut-off! Talk about how "green" you are, be your intelligent self, but look really clueless and stupid. In general, try to act like you are actually a product of urban society who hates himself and the very society that he can't seem to spend more than 40 minutes outside of. About 40 tattoos, pins in your face, and about 6 or 7 holes in your nose will help your act out too. You do that, and they'll let you alone for sure, figuring you are the real deal.

to late.......you already know....or at least some spook on this forum does..yes spook...shill.to me just someone with a completely opposite opinion

but we all know the spooks cruise here regular
any way after spending 7 hours in a attic today in mid 90's heat doing some wiring...that's my thing....and I realized first why I use to train and pay a helper in the past and that I ain't in my 20's no more.

we got some trails around here think I'll take some folks advice and try some shorter one's

although have hiked and camped out in past for a few 1-2 week stretches in past , and lived quite well gathering wild vegie's and eating what ever fish , rabbit or squirrel I could find....I live in a rural area any way so small trip to a few places I already know well should be no issue

and if this idea still feel good say end of feb. first of march next year , and of course depending on what happens in this totally screwed up country between now and then

I might just do this ,but think one other person along would be wise...and a hair cut since mine being half way down my back.....might piss off some narrow minded redneck's or worst republican's.... .if nothing else as I said , it will be a great adventure , and I would see this once great country ...in a way many don't and never will

you know I'm not thinking about it because I can't do this or that
thinking about it because it's better than just waiting for things to get better....might as well see something while I wait

would plan my way out on trails and rural roads and only go to smaller towns....ya'll can have those cesspools you call cities....hated the bigger one's all 48 years.....see no reason to change now
don't plan on hobo'ing or nothing like knocking on doors looking for work from town folks , the way people are now days that would be asking for trouble
would be like all else ..check local business and paper....nothing there...move on

really.just think it could be all that and bag of nut's......love nature..this way I could see it slow and take it all in

some one said don't steal from those who help you........been very , very , poor at times....never stole before.from any one.let alone those who helped me...so I see this as not a problem

not wanting to scare ,take , steal or , nothing bad......just think.instead of sitting here bitching about how screwed up shit is..may be I better go see what we got before it's gone.

my last big adventure was the service 30 yr's ago
I spent last 25 years raising my daughter by my self with zero help from her worthless mother....not a dime's help

she gave 3 beautiful grandkids to me and is on her own..so now is my time..before I get to old to do more than just think about it...and with my family..if at any time I was done or needed help....it would be a phone cal and car drive away

thanks to those with serious advices
to those who were dicks but in a humorous way.enjoyed all you said too !!
to those who where plain dicks..well probably , I was to you in the past , and since I know I sure can be a dick some times.... all is good........life goes on

as they say

"you can't please everyone so you got to please your self"

well back to being a dick....have a nice day ya'll



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no heath care...so gonna get some illness thats gonna kill me sometime any way......every one die's...whats important is how you lived.......and a good life is not always milk honey and tons of money......for me...a great life would be a simple life...but really not afraid to die....or thinking I can buy a few more months ..when its gonna happen its gonna happen...enjoy life till then

and 48 but still spend lots of time walking in the woods....just not with a 30-40 pound pack...

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It's easy to say that when you're relatively strong and healthy. Wait until you need health care or medicine and are in excruciating pain, and on the verge of dying without someone else (like a doctor) intervening. It's not a case of lying down and going peacefully in your sleep. That rarely happens, and even less so with homeless people. You die *painfully*, and it takes a long long time, full of coughing and phlegm and bloody piss and stools. You dehydrate, you starve, you puke and crap and can't move. You'll probably have a fever and chills. Depending on how isolated you are, you may end up being killed by a predator (four-legged or two-legged). This scenario can happen whether it's an insect/snake bite, something like tuberculosis or the flu, sepsis, food poisoning (all kinds of food poisoning, there are a lot), or gangrene (wet or dry). And this doesn't even count accidents. There are hundreds of ways to die, and most of them are slow and painful. And most of them can be relieved with modern medicine.

already had back surgery , have carpel tunnel in both hands I can"t afford to fix it...both of which doctors told me I should be on disability for
applied..went though 5 yr's of bull crap doctors not appearing ect...
and lost
homeless hang out in the cities where theirs nothing for them.
crime , cop's and garbage cans..and if your smart or lucky a dog , cat or rat ta eat.........no wander they die slow

I'm no wussy

so I do what I can , when I can , where I can
I like to work feels good at the end of the day...

just some times , after a few day's of hard work , I'm down a week or more.

most actually cause I push to impress and work hard to be sure I get next job

worked mostly for same family of brothers for 20+ years as side jobs ...99% rewires , and wiring upgrades or remodels..after I got some what on my feet , but still not able to work steady they give me the all the work they can or I can do,

although that's petering out because of the economy
the main brother my fiend , had 200 + house's , and flipped 10-20 a year.....no more he's having to sell them to live although believe he's still worth over A Million

he spent his life working to hard has had one knee replaced and is have the other done in 2 weeks...but in his case for him self...I destroyed my health working for others , just lack enough proof to prove it

I've gardened , hunted ,fished all my life , to this day
we already eat wild games 2-3 day's a week as it is..and my family was always middle or lower middle class 50-60 thousand a year and we ate this way even though we didn't have to , we enjoy it

eat the fresh
can , and freeze the extra....this kinda work I also like because your working for your self


I've always been a loner and was raised and spent 90% of my free time out in the woods and nature

so what some here are thinking would be so bad I figure a good lot is lack of knowledge on their part

you always fear what you don't know

you can live and eat quite well off the land if you know where to look , what to look for and don't expect all your food to come in a plastic bag , box , or can

my questions where more to legality's ect...

and they been kinda answered

and here's what I get


If your in a big fancy car and stay in the best hotel's
you can go any where in this country , bum around , raise hell , your whole life...and nobody will say anything ..as long as you don't hurt anyone of course

If your poor
got free time on your hands , and want to see the country in a simple , slower way
you'll be harassed , robber , arrested , robbed by the cop's

have some weird fuck want you to suck cock or be wanting to suck yours
it's been implied that you should or would steal
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or my fucking favorite....told your gonna make meth when the one making the comment...was the only one to say anything about drugs

but what I get most out of the whole thing is if your poor or think different than what's considered the "normal folk's"
you have less rights than them......no matter what
don't matter where your heart is or who you really are inside

your pre-judged and found un worthy , just for being....you

damn sure totally against the reason I joined the service at 17

and things I thought I was serving to protect

and many should think of this

am I really less of a Human ?....do I really have less right's ?

just because I'm poor.

or hell maybe I'm rich
just choose to not tell a soul
and to take the cheap penny pinching way and keep my stash hidden
making me different...but still pre-judged

is this really America now ?

ponder it a bit ..let me know



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dude's and dudete's.....

Thanks for

Trailer Park Boy's

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STAY OUT OF DETROIT

wouldn't go within 100 mile's in a APC....so not trouble

I wouldn't recommend going completely offgrid "cold turkey." I'd go as far off as I felt comfortable with and then slowly work it until I found the spot that I wanted to be at. You might just find that you are happy hiking around the country, seeing places and meeting people, living really cheap, and occasionally taking a day job or working for a month or two to pay for the little bit of expenses you do have from year-to-year.

I think it can be done, regardless of what the lovers of this world say. It's not like we always had everything we do now. The only true question is not whether or not you can survive and enjoy it, but whether or not you want to take the cons with the pros.

I mean, the medical help is a plus, but the majority of the population being doped up on prescription drugs is a minus. Chesseburgers are a plus, but most of them don't even use real meat or real cheese!

I think the only things I would really miss are running water, toilet paper, the occasional cheeseburger, and medical help when I really needed it. I believe I could do without most else, especially with all the other pros of such a life: traveling, adventure, no bills to pay, no house to keep, no neighborly b.s. (people sticking their nose in my business), no distractions, etc.

Your biggest worries would be eating and staying dry (just like hiking).

Society will hate you though. They'll think you should be working like a dog like they do (instead of just working to obtain food and a new place to rest your head) and that you must be uneducated or mentally ill to choose such a life or not want a house, a car, fashionable clothes, a 401k, etc. I think they are the mentally ill ones (probably why most of them are on meds), but that won't matter. If the majority of people are sick in the head and you are sane they will call you the sick one and treat you as such, so expect to be harassed unless you stay away from civilization as much as possible and you work extra hard to avoid run-ins with government representatives like the police, rangers, and wardens.

Work real hard to follow the laws and "look" like you are just another greeny on a break from society when encountered, don't attract attention, and you'll be fine.

I just don't think jumping into something like that is real smart (not saying you are dumb, just saying you might want to think about it a bit more). Make a list of the things you like about civilization (however small that list may be) and consider those things before you go trying to live without them.

I can guarantee that most people would agree on the following list, and all of these things and the consequences of not having them should really be thought out:

Medical help when you need it
Food availability
Clean and running water
Indoor plumbing
Toilet paper
Heat/air conditioning
Refrigeration
Clothing availability

I think that list is probably pretty all-encompassing. Probably the most dangerous to be without are the medical help and clean and running water. The rest would be inconvenient and could also be potentially harmful or cause serious problems.

Maybe you should try to sweet talk a nurse who is certified in botanical medicine into hoofing it with you, first? LOL!

best of luck on your adventure OP

personally if walking the back country i would very much like a firearm but if you intend to be traveling by highways and other roads on a regular basis it could likely land you in trouble with cops unless you can legally carry.

there are many people looking for people to camp and stay on there properties for security that may be a posibility?

also there is a organisation/movement called woofers
willing workers on organic farms you may try a search
for farms looking for this type of help basically you work
for your room and board and sometimes a little cash/stipend as well. it used to be you could work your way around the country and always have a roof over your head or at least a nice camp spot.

i dont know if the bloody dogooders have ended this posibility due to labor laws but its worth looking into.

i dont know if you can afford it but a bike is a very good way to see the country and you tend to blend in much better than some poor bugger tramping along the highways.

same deal with a canoe if you are in areas of many long rivers you will find many camp spots along the rivers others will never find.

what part of the country are you wanting to see?

My old man has done this kind of thing for 15 years since he retired, one of the main things he said is to wear name brand outdoor wear like Marmot, Columbia, North Face etc.. with distinct labels, claims it does wonders in keeping the cops from harrassing, also make sure everything is reasonably clean etc..Some of his well off buddies go the hippy route with tattered clothing and external packs and usually gets their shit consficated by the police sooner or later because they look homeless. Good luck.

i did this for 4 straight years, on top of walking i hopped trains and hitchhiked some too. Saw 44 states. check out [link to digihitch.com] for different state laws that will help your situation. that whole 4 years i never got arrested, never got any of my shit stolen etc.

camping be real careful.. bugs, spiders, scorpions, snakes... i got bit by a brown recluse it was the worst shit i ever experienced. I normally squatted while traveling the few times i did put up a tent weren't too good.

if you have any questions let me know

you will not be able to avoid trouble. cops will try to arrest you for hitchhiking even if you never stick your thumb out or for vagrancy. others will try to grab you for their sick pleasures. some will try to beat you up cause you might be a hippie or gay.

if you are going to do this, get on the Appalachian Trail, the Pacific Crest Trail, or go with a group. when you get to a town, go directly to the police station and tell them that you are just walking, only walking and mean no trouble.

in fact, maybe make it for a cause. Walk for Breast Cancer or something mainstream. it will help protect you.

i used to hitchhike and walk. i KNOW.

Correct, good advice BTW, and yes the police are going to be the biggest problem doing this unless you never leave the woods.

i don't mean to discourage you; it can be done, and can be GREAT. but, do it wise. times ain't like they used to be.

good luck, and happy trails!

why would I need to collect bottles ??
got my link card for food
have been hunting and eating what I hunted since I was 8
know how to make traps snare's ect....

just because most here couldn't live without their a/c and bottled water...doesn't mean everyone is as feeble as them

have spent much of my life in the woods living and eating just fine
that part is far from the trouble the trouble would be going around my fellow man
nature is gentle compared to out humans


OP, here is a suggestion for free breakfast. Find a good hotel, pick a room number that is occupied just in case you are asked, and go to the lobby around 6:00 to 8:00 am, and help yourself to a free continental breakfast.

You know what they say... breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Just don't try it looking like a complete hobo.

I like your idea but, the problem would be security. There would be thuggers and muggers and all sorts of nasty idiots on that trail. The only thing they (the gov.)could do would be to install cameras and have a few drones flying over it. I do wish it was like the days of old but(sigh) it is not....

WB

for the most part your bad sorts will stay near civilisation
where the takings are better and easier.

and if you are camping near a population center of some sort
a little bit of camp security will go a long way.

as an example cook your evening meal in a diferent location to where you will be sleeping set up your tent in the night time and preferably pack up before dawn etc.

and when you are out in the wilderness all you should need to worry about will be critters, naturall conditions and maybee the odd ranger.

and large parts coast to coast are all ready trails i realy dont know where to find all of them but a friend of mine who was a off road motorcycle enthusiast was telling me it was possible