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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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I have often wondered about my adult daughter.

When she was about 15 years old she got a MONARCH butterfly tattoo. Of course it was illegal and she said she did not remember getting one.

She has been in and out of rehabs over the years. She shows no emotions except what she learns from watching others.

A few years ago she got an OWL and a cupcake.

I just think it's all bizarre that these are symbols of the illuminati.

Please do not mock my comments. I am a mother who worries a lot about my child.
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I highly suggest that your deeply scrutinize the company that your daughter keeps as well as any organisations or groups that she may belong to.
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I'll try to help with some ideas but please keep in mind that we are all different. That being said, I truly believe that we all have the ability to heal from this with our own unique minds. All the info that you need to help you through is sitting in your head. Somewhere inside you, you already know how they did it to you so you also know how to reverse it. Some will say to themselves (to some of my suggestions), I can't do that.. don't write it off until you give it a shot.

Start . . .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4459582


That was outstanding. Thankyou for sharing this. I hope that someone is able to find peace and healing with this or at least start down the road.

Anything else you wish to share about your healing would be a bonus.

There are many that have been injured by MKUltra, some may not even know it yet, or may never. My sincere hope is that this evil stops, and we can all advance ourselves and our civilization together. I know that may sound campy, but it is the truth.

Infinitywon, can you please speak to who your programmers were, and what part your parents played. From the little that you have told us, your parents seemed to be part of it.
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I'm sure a lot of you are aware that there are "groups" all over the US and Canada and that they are all connected to each other. Within each group there is a leader. My parents, more so my father, was the leader of this particular group in Ontario. My programmer's name is unknown to me but I would know her voice anywhere. She's probably dead by now though since she was already around 60 years old when I was a child. My father was also a programmer (he is also dead). I was very difficult to program though so I'm happy to say that I gave them a very hard time. In my case, which is often but not always the case, it was all about bloodlines. I have Irish descent and evidently some native indian in me. I'm related to the Bush's..yes those Bush's. I'm also related to several other US presidents.

The "religion" of this group was the worship of Horus with Druid elements and end time (christian) beliefs. They were very much into other dimensions ..I'll go into that some other time.

I'm heading off to bed for now but if anyone has any specific questions please let me know and I'll do my best to help.
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What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

What's the frequency Kenneth?!!!

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I'll try to help with some ideas but please keep in mind that we are all different. That being said, I truly believe that we all have the ability to heal from this with our own unique minds. All the info that you need to help you through is sitting in your head. Somewhere inside you, you already know how they did it to you so you also know how to reverse it. Some will say to themselves (to some of my suggestions), I can't do that.. don't write it off until you give it a shot.

Start . . .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4459582


That was outstanding. Thankyou for sharing this. I hope that someone is able to find peace and healing with this or at least start down the road.

Anything else you wish to share about your healing would be a bonus.

There are many that have been injured by MKUltra, some may not even know it yet, or may never. My sincere hope is that this evil stops, and we can all advance ourselves and our civilization together. I know that may sound campy, but it is the truth.

Infinitywon, can you please speak to who your programmers were, and what part your parents played. From the little that you have told us, your parents seemed to be part of it.
 Quoting: JamesBe1




I'm sure a lot of you are aware that there are "groups" all over the US and Canada and that they are all connected to each other. Within each group there is a leader. My parents, more so my father, was the leader of this particular group in Ontario. My programmer's name is unknown to me but I would know her voice anywhere. She's probably dead by now though since she was already around 60 years old when I was a child. My father was also a programmer (he is also dead). I was very difficult to program though so I'm happy to say that I gave them a very hard time. In my case, which is often but not always the case, it was all about bloodlines. I have Irish descent and evidently some native indian in me. I'm related to the Bush's..yes those Bush's. I'm also related to several other US presidents.

The "religion" of this group was the worship of Horus with Druid elements and end time (christian) beliefs. They were very much into other dimensions ..I'll go into that some other time.

I'm heading off to bed for now but if anyone has any specific questions please let me know and I'll do my best to help.
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Other dimensions? Interesting, elaborate, please hf
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How do you eat M&Ms?
THREE LAWS OF TYRANNY


Tyranny Law #1:
"Any power that can be abused will be abused."

Tyranny Law #2:
"Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it."

Tyranny Law #3:
"If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail."
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with a related link.

The "How do you eat M&Ms question comes from the book "Thanks for the memories"
THREE LAWS OF TYRANNY


Tyranny Law #1:
"Any power that can be abused will be abused."

Tyranny Law #2:
"Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it."

Tyranny Law #3:
"If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail."
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with a related link.

The "How do you eat M&Ms question comes from the book "Thanks for the memories"
 Quoting: Lemon


Thanks. I was wondering about that.
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What's this about m & m's? I read the book but don't remember anything about that.bump
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bump For answers on m & m's.
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From the book (paraphrased)

Q. How do you eat M&Ms ?

regular answers -
By the handful
From the bag
like this
or anything else

some MONARCH programs include a condition

They will line up the M&Ms in a row and say (my example)
brown
green
red
yellow
green
green...
lining up the whole bag in a pattern and getting upset if the color they 'need' next is not there.
THREE LAWS OF TYRANNY


Tyranny Law #1:
"Any power that can be abused will be abused."

Tyranny Law #2:
"Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it."

Tyranny Law #3:
"If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail."
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That's interesting. I always separated mine into sections and categorized them by color. Still do. I make sure each section has an equal amount. Then I eat 3 from each color at a time.

I know that sounds weird, but I've done it as long as I can remember.
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remember to forget
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remember to forget
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Re-post from the Gifted thread:

Slowly putting the pieces of a shattered mirror back together...

"The army at Fort Dietrick has done mind control experiments, and Dr. Andrija Puharich was a major figure in this project since the fifties. In addition to the usual foci, it included electromagnetic experiments. In the Nixon years, there was much interest in electronic stimulation of the brain as well as the use of ultrasonics and radiation.

In 1981, David Brinkley wrote in NBC Magazine about Russian experiments with the brain through electronic stimulation. By then it was known that the Russians were also working with strong broadband transmissions. It is been known since the 1960s that brain implants can be inserted easily and at least produce feelings of pain and pleasure.

Project Moonstruck began in 1952 and aimed at placing implants in the brain and teeth. It was also known since the 1930s that remote electronic waves can be used to hypnotize. In 1963, three scientists from Boston placed implants in the brains of three VC prisoners at Bien Hoa Hospital. The implanting was successful but the doctors were unable to make the prisoners attack each other, so the three were shot. How far this knowledge has been carried is unclear. There was also speculation in the late seventies, that electronic processes could not only wipe out memories, they could also wipe out large periods of time subjects. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is also involved in these activities.

The experimenters are also interested in ESP, a defense mechanism found in some people which is probably a holdover from primitive times. There was also a strong interest in remote viewing (RV) and in training people to deliver messages exactly and then completely forget them. AS for remote viewing, a Freedom of Information request in 1972 turned up CIA Technical Services Contract 8473 with the Scientologists for remote viewing services.

Attorney David Rosebaum found that about 100 employees at a Monaca, Pa. Chemical plant had died strange deaths. Members of their families who asked questions also had a high mortality rate. He found that men on the plant’s medical staff had subjected at least two women to hypnosis under traumatic conditions. Both men were in a cult called the Order of the Fourth Reich. Later he learned that other employees were subjected to this treatment and also that they were being taught how to “remember to forget.“ Drugs were used to help victims regress to childhood. Some of the victims though they had dealings with Joseph Mengele, and whoever this Mengele really was, he told one person that he had programmed Lee Harvey Oswald—almost certainly these comments were meant to be disinformation. They believed “Mr. Halloran,” a second torturer/programmer, was a CIA man."

[link to forwardamerica.blogspot.com]

[link to pecangroup.org]
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From the book (paraphrased)

Q. How do you eat M&Ms ?

regular answers -
By the handful
From the bag
like this
or anything else

some MONARCH programs include a condition

They will line up the M&Ms in a row and say (my example)
brown
green
red
yellow
green
green...
lining up the whole bag in a pattern and getting upset if the color they 'need' next is not there.
 Quoting: Lemon


That sounds more like OCD
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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares - Hebrews 13:2

One Crowded hour of glorious life, is worth an age without a name - Thomas Osbert Mordaunt
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That's interesting. I always separated mine into sections and categorized them by color. Still do. I make sure each section has an equal amount. Then I eat 3 from each color at a time.

I know that sounds weird, but I've done it as long as I can remember.
 Quoting: starshine


What would happen if you did it differently? Just out of interest
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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares - Hebrews 13:2

One Crowded hour of glorious life, is worth an age without a name - Thomas Osbert Mordaunt
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put down the crack pipe...........................................watching old television "honey west" and commercial came on... 10 year old boy alone gets on a bus with a wizard of oz book......highlighted phrase "you will remember" next "pathway" and next the image of emerald city....freaky....sponsored by literacy.GOV................................get a life
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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
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Well, have you ever watched televison? How about listened to the radio? If not those then have you ever read a news paper or magazine?

It's all corporate owned and directed. Speaks for itself as the mind control media: Only 16% of the population didn't either fall for the real estate bubble, or else were so poor that even they failed to qualify for loans.

Over all, let's just say only 8% of the total population was hip to the tricks. Mind Control is like porn. There's soft porn and there's hard porn.
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Have you ever watched television or listened to the radio?
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odd but true-i had been reading about or thinking about MONARCH-and the next day i met someone who blurted out to me-"I am a MONARCH/MK-ULTRA victim"-freaked me out cuz we were on a different subject

he seemed to need to share this with me-but was very suspicious/unfriendly
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How do you eat M&Ms?
 Quoting: Lemon


with a fork and knife like I learned on SEINFELD

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