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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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From the book (paraphrased)

Q. How do you eat M&Ms ?

regular answers -
By the handful
From the bag
like this
or anything else

some MONARCH programs include a condition

They will line up the M&Ms in a row and say (my example)
brown
green
red
yellow
green
green...
lining up the whole bag in a pattern and getting upset if the color they 'need' next is not there.
 Quoting: Lemon


That sounds more like OCD
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


Now I like to eat 4 of the same color at a time, alternating colors. Not that if I eat them out of order or mixed golors upsets me or anything, but I ENJOY them more for some reason like that. I'm more fixed on even numbers then ODD ones, not that either way is logically better but I just do.
I'm sure it's a minimal bit of OCD since I catch myself counting tiles on floors etc, but the world doesn't end or get 100% more shittier than it already is for the day if I stop counting or w/e. I do however like to point out errors in patterns and others who claim they are the shit, so I'm just an outspoken ass at times lol!
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From the book (paraphrased)

Q. How do you eat M&Ms ?

regular answers -
By the handful
From the bag
like this
or anything else

some MONARCH programs include a condition

They will line up the M&Ms in a row and say (my example)
brown
green
red
yellow
green
green...
lining up the whole bag in a pattern and getting upset if the color they 'need' next is not there.
 Quoting: Lemon


That sounds more like OCD
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


Now I like to eat 4 of the same color at a time, alternating colors. Not that if I eat them out of order or mixed golors* upsets me or anything, but I ENJOY them more for some reason like that. I'm more fixed on even numbers then ODD ones, not that either way is logically better but I just do.
I'm sure it's a minimal bit of OCD since I catch myself counting tiles on floors etc, but the world doesn't end or get 100% more shittier than it already is for the day if I stop counting or w/e. I do however like to point out errors in patterns and others who claim they are the shit, so I'm just an outspoken ass at times lol!
moshpit
 Quoting: Risqman


*COLORS
Oh and I like to correct spelling errors... LMAO
(Stupid fingers)
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I'll try to help with some ideas but please keep in mind that we are all different. That being said, I truly believe that we all have the ability to heal from this with our own unique minds. All the info that you need to help you through is sitting in your head. Somewhere inside you, you already know how they did it to you so you also know how to reverse it. Some will say to themselves (to some of my suggestions), I can't do that.. don't write it off until you give it a shot.

Start . . .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4459582


That was outstanding. Thankyou for sharing this. I hope that someone is able to find peace and healing with this or at least start down the road.

Anything else you wish to share about your healing would be a bonus.

There are many that have been injured by MKUltra, some may not even know it yet, or may never. My sincere hope is that this evil stops, and we can all advance ourselves and our civilization together. I know that may sound campy, but it is the truth.

Infinitywon, can you please speak to who your programmers were, and what part your parents played. From the little that you have told us, your parents seemed to be part of it.
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I'm sure a lot of you are aware that there are "groups" all over the US and Canada and that they are all connected to each other. Within each group there is a leader. My parents, more so my father, was the leader of this particular group in Ontario. My programmer's name is unknown to me but I would know her voice anywhere. She's probably dead by now though since she was already around 60 years old when I was a child. My father was also a programmer (he is also dead). I was very difficult to program though so I'm happy to say that I gave them a very hard time. In my case, which is often but not always the case, it was all about bloodlines. I have Irish descent and evidently some native indian in me. I'm related to the Bush's..yes those Bush's. I'm also related to several other US presidents.

The "religion" of this group was the worship of Horus with Druid elements and end time (christian) beliefs. They were very much into other dimensions ..I'll go into that some other time.

I'm heading off to bed for now but if anyone has any specific questions please let me know and I'll do my best to help.
 Quoting: Infinitywon


So how did they try to program you?

And are you estranged from your mom now? What did she think of the whole thing?
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I've got a few freckles, each is the shape of an arrow. Oddest thing ever.

no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
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OP, do you actually know what modern methods of brainwashing are? FYI, MK-ULTRA is and obsolete program.

How about using internet for bombarding emotionally labile characters with paranoid and perplexing information?

Do you know what this site is all about?


*
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Interesting how this comment was ignored.
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I'll try to help with some ideas but please keep in mind that we are all different. That being said, I truly believe that we all have the ability to heal from this with our own unique minds. All the info that you need to help you through is sitting in your head. Somewhere inside you, you already know how they did it to you so you also know how to reverse it. Some will say to themselves (to some of my suggestions), I can't do that.. don't write it off until you give it a shot.

Start . . .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4459582


That was outstanding. Thankyou for sharing this. I hope that someone is able to find peace and healing with this or at least start down the road.

Anything else you wish to share about your healing would be a bonus.

There are many that have been injured by MKUltra, some may not even know it yet, or may never. My sincere hope is that this evil stops, and we can all advance ourselves and our civilization together. I know that may sound campy, but it is the truth.

Infinitywon, can you please speak to who your programmers were, and what part your parents played. From the little that you have told us, your parents seemed to be part of it.
 Quoting: JamesBe1




I'm sure a lot of you are aware that there are "groups" all over the US and Canada and that they are all connected to each other. Within each group there is a leader. My parents, more so my father, was the leader of this particular group in Ontario. My programmer's name is unknown to me but I would know her voice anywhere. She's probably dead by now though since she was already around 60 years old when I was a child. My father was also a programmer (he is also dead). I was very difficult to program though so I'm happy to say that I gave them a very hard time. In my case, which is often but not always the case, it was all about bloodlines. I have Irish descent and evidently some native indian in me. I'm related to the Bush's..yes those Bush's. I'm also related to several other US presidents.

The "religion" of this group was the worship of Horus with Druid elements and end time (christian) beliefs. They were very much into other dimensions ..I'll go into that some other time.

I'm heading off to bed for now but if anyone has any specific questions please let me know and I'll do my best to help.
 Quoting: Infinitywon


So how did they try to program you?

And are you estranged from your mom now? What did she think of the whole thing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123



Infinitywon, I'm a different AC who just found this thread a day or so ago. Please tell us more if you can. Your life sounds similar to mine.
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OP this might help.

If you "see" yourself in a memory it is not a real memory but one that has been planted in your mind by those abusing you.
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Also this happened to me just recently.

Thread: A key showed up on my key ring and now it is gone.
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What is that? hiding
I am not a anonymous coward.
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The butter fly thing is a common mind control image. The victims tend to identify with them. The hard part is finding the other abuse members. For what ever reason most recall little to nothing. The memories are hidden in open view along side normal memories. Keep in mind that many MKULTRA victims got good grades in school WHILE they were being programed. They programed me when I was younger but all I remember is being shown lots of slides and asked questions about what fruit when where. The program I am in is run by people from another reality so they leave little to no paper work. Finding other members of the team is next to impossible. What where we programmed for? I have no idea... but it seemed harmless enough at the time. It felt a lot like Fallout 3, where a person lives and dies inside a vault.
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I am so looking up whatever the hell this is.
I am not a anonymous coward.
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OP this might help.

If you "see" yourself in a memory it is not a real memory but one that has been planted in your mind by those abusing you.
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How do you know this? I'm not doubting you, it makes sense. Just where did you learn that? Can you talk more about planted memories - who, what, why?
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OP this might help.

If you "see" yourself in a memory it is not a real memory but one that has been planted in your mind by those abusing you.
 Quoting: grrttsgar



How do you know this? I'm not doubting you, it makes sense. Just where did you learn that? Can you talk more about planted memories - who, what, why?
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because I have these so called memorys.

If you start to have a memory think about it.

Can you see yourself in the memory?

With a real memory you are looking out of your eyes not at yourself.

I have memorys of some real weird shit because whoever planted them used slang.

I do not speak slang.

I am a trucker.

I have a memory of driving between Barstow CA and Bakersfield.

The memory is of me seeing myself driving down the road going "crash crash crash".

Because what was put in my mind was "can you see yourself driving looking for a place to crash on Hwy 58 in CA".

Bizarre.

And I did not even know this was a planted memory until 2002 the memory was of 1996.

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The butter fly thing is a common mind control image. The victims tend to identify with them. The hard part is finding the other abuse members. For what ever reason most recall little to nothing. The memories are hidden in open view along side normal memories. Keep in mind that many MKULTRA victims got good grades in school WHILE they were being programed. They programed me when I was younger but all I remember is being shown lots of slides and asked questions about what fruit when where. The program I am in is run by people from another reality so they leave little to no paper work. Finding other members of the team is next to impossible. What where we programmed for? I have no idea... but it seemed harmless enough at the time. It felt a lot like Fallout 3, where a person lives and dies inside a vault.
 Quoting: murat 1334974



 Quoting: Haelo


Do you also have memorys of an underground cement square tunnel?

Because I do and the same as you very good grades in school.

Except for the 7th grade.

I stopped bathing and could not concentrate(but then again I see myself doing that).

But I do have an AAS in Electronics Engineering Technology that I was screwed out of using 20 years ago.

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Someone mentioned memories about a pool.

I know this is really reaching in the dark, but did it have what seemed like a huge basement-y feeling changing room and the changing room was downstairs and to the right of the large window that looked down on the pool? Was the window that looked down on it at the end of a long hall? Was that building kind of academic-feeling, but next to and possibly connected to it were one or more that were more creepy/ medical/ library or just plain "occult" feeling (I hate that term)?

I have some serious mk torture memories from early childhood that unfortunately I've matched to a document of mine that was meant to be redacted but they missed a few pages, thus sadly confirming that what I had told myself all my life were just bad dreams...weren't bad dreams.

The pool itself wasn't part of those particular memories, but it seemed like a really creepy place to me and it's one of the earliest memories I have so I wonder if it's related.
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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
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I believe I was when I went to Butner FCI, Butner, NC in 1990, 1992, and 2003.

Took me a while to break out of the "Brainwashing Manipulation", but I did! (much to the chagrin of CIA/FBI/KGB/FSB/GRU handlers).

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Using a butterfly symbol for yourself.
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+1. Haha.
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Yep, I chuckled too. That was my first thought....
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I did too, but, not intelligent enough to be one.
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How do you eat M&Ms?
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with a fork and knife like I learned on SEINFELD
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Dum bah dum dum dumm dummm dumm dum dum dummm dummm dum
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Any of you old enough to have watched them originally when they first aired on tv in the late '60's, might consider watching the old tv series "Dark Shadows" on whatever is your fav online movie vendor.

The episodes might tend to bring up some memories from the time when you were perhaps being programmed--seriously.
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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
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You would have a USB 2.0 port behind your left ear.
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How do you eat M&Ms?
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I group them by color. Then I eat the color group that has the most firs, until it has an equal number to the smallest group. Then I eat the next largest group (one by one) until its got the same number as the smallest group (say 4), then so on until all color groups have the same number of m&m's. THEN I eat them one at a time, one red, then one green, then one blue, etc until all groups have only 3. Then I do it all again - repeat.

I have been known to just toss them in my mouth and crunch away, but most times, especially when I am at work or somewhere with a table in front of me, I eat them this way. I figured it was just a way to make them last longer.

WHY? Do I do it wrong? I never thought of myself as programmed, though I do find the subject very interesting.
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That's interesting. I always separated mine into sections and categorized them by color. Still do. I make sure each section has an equal amount. Then I eat 3 from each color at a time.

I know that sounds weird, but I've done it as long as I can remember.
 Quoting: starshine


AHA! So I am not the only person who does it this way -- except that I eat mine one at a time instead of by threes.
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From the book (paraphrased)

Q. How do you eat M&Ms ?

regular answers -
By the handful
From the bag
like this
or anything else

some MONARCH programs include a condition

They will line up the M&Ms in a row and say (my example)
brown
green
red
yellow
green
green...
lining up the whole bag in a pattern and getting upset if the color they 'need' next is not there.
 Quoting: Lemon


That sounds more like OCD
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


Now I like to eat 4 of the same color at a time, alternating colors. Not that if I eat them out of order or mixed golors upsets me or anything, but I ENJOY them more for some reason like that. I'm more fixed on even numbers then ODD ones, not that either way is logically better but I just do.
I'm sure it's a minimal bit of OCD since I catch myself counting tiles on floors etc, but the world doesn't end or get 100% more shittier than it already is for the day if I stop counting or w/e. I do however like to point out errors in patterns and others who claim they are the shit, so I'm just an outspoken ass at times lol!
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2 at a time here, on each side of the mouth.

They must be the same color.
Having a handful of unevenly matched candies is NOT an option.. utterly unacceptable.

My pantry, spices and linen closets etc must all be arraigned in alphabetical order, and grouped by type of product.

Whenever I rearrange my cabinets, I take a photo of it and tape that photo on the inside of the cabinet door so everyone can see what goes where...

I am a counter as well. I do not do it as often but as a kid I used to count the number of chews I took while eating, the number of steps while walking and especially up the stairs...

I am missing full years of time or at least missing years worth of memories that I cannot pull up at will but occasionally have a sudden remembrance of an event occurring and am told by family that it never happened.
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Any of you old enough to have watched them originally when they first aired on tv in the late '60's, might consider watching the old tv series "Dark Shadows" on whatever is your fav online movie vendor.

The episodes might tend to bring up some memories from the time when you were perhaps being programmed--seriously.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1284302


OMG... YES!!!!!

Every so often SciFi would run a marathon....
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OP this might help.

If you "see" yourself in a memory it is not a real memory but one that has been planted in your mind by those abusing you.
 Quoting: grrttsgar


Oh HECK!!!!
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Any of you old enough to have watched them originally when they first aired on tv in the late '60's, might consider watching the old tv series "Dark Shadows" on whatever is your fav online movie vendor.

The episodes might tend to bring up some memories from the time when you were perhaps being programmed--seriously.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1284302


OMG... YES!!!!!

Every so often SciFi would run a marathon....
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The series itself was a programming op, purposefully broadcast at 4:30pm when most mothers were in kitchen fixing supper and kids had tv to themselves.

Re-watch it with an adult's vision/experiences.
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....
Re-watch it with an adult's vision/experiences.
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i allways wonder why the smow different generations different tv-show. they don't repeat until the targeted generation is old enough, so they can seperate... now i understand. thx
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How do you eat M&Ms?
 Quoting: Lemon


I group them by color. Then I eat the color group that has the most firs, until it has an equal number to the smallest group. Then I eat the next largest group (one by one) until its got the same number as the smallest group (say 4), then so on until all color groups have the same number of m&m's. THEN I eat them one at a time, one red, then one green, then one blue, etc until all groups have only 3. Then I do it all again - repeat.

I have been known to just toss them in my mouth and crunch away, but most times, especially when I am at work or somewhere with a table in front of me, I eat them this way. I figured it was just a way to make them last longer.

WHY? Do I do it wrong? I never thought of myself as programmed, though I do find the subject very interesting.
 Quoting: tandym


Haha same with me! But only once I'm reaching the end of the bag. Once there are about 10 or 12 left, I make sure that each color has the same number.

Classic OCD stuff. Also in restaurants, if there are tiles on the table then my drinking glass must always be centered in one of the tiles. My friends have made fun of me for that one because I just do it automatically.
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keep reading the forums and ypoull find out
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From the book (paraphrased)

Q. How do you eat M&Ms ?

regular answers -
By the handful
From the bag
like this
or anything else

some MONARCH programs include a condition

They will line up the M&Ms in a row and say (my example)
brown
green
red
yellow
green
green...
lining up the whole bag in a pattern and getting upset if the color they 'need' next is not there.
 Quoting: Lemon


That sounds more like OCD
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


Now I like to eat 4 of the same color at a time, alternating colors. Not that if I eat them out of order or mixed golors upsets me or anything, but I ENJOY them more for some reason like that. I'm more fixed on even numbers then ODD ones, not that either way is logically better but I just do.
I'm sure it's a minimal bit of OCD since I catch myself counting tiles on floors etc, but the world doesn't end or get 100% more shittier than it already is for the day if I stop counting or w/e. I do however like to point out errors in patterns and others who claim they are the shit, so I'm just an outspoken ass at times lol!
moshpit
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Interesting that you would mention patterns. I have always been able to find 4-leaf clovers. (BTW, they are becoming EXTREMELY rare for some reason - haven't found one in over a year now). I wouldn't even have to be looking - I could just be walking along and there would be "a disturbance in The Force", I'd look down, and there would be a 4-leaf clover. Too bad there's no money in 4-leaf clovers!!

I've also always been very good with finding spelling errors. One time I applied for a job as a proofreader at a newspaper by bringing in an issue of their paper with all of the spelling errors circled. It's sort of like a blessing and a curse at the same time, or at least it was until I just decided to have fun with it. BTW, "closed captioning" can be hilarious!

My Dad was in the Military, then worked in conjuction with Military people in the Space Program. My Mom was an R.N. During the 50's and 60's, I went to a Catholic school, where we were ALWAYS being broken into groups (reading groups, math groups, etc.) so a special "group" wouldn't have seemed unusual. I took pills every night before bed, mostly vitamins (or so I was told) but I do remember one called "phenobarbital"

And yes, I DO remember doing the "hatching out the butterfly" thing in grammar school!
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