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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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I'm terrified of butterflies. Do you think that means I was a victim of monarch programming? Most people think butterflies are beautiful but they are nothing more than flying worms which is freaking in my opinion.
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Cause potential triggers under controled conditions, eg. go to an isolated resort or place such as a locked hotel room with a friend and a camera and start reading :Catcher In The Rye" out loud, then examine your responses on tape.
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WHEN U WERE ASKED TO TRY...FLOURIDE in 5th grade..then taken for a hearing test...the van seemed old and grey....and had a single loop antenna.

this was only the begining...
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it was an old ldv van black rubber floor no hub caps and a white shelf with things on it?
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I'm terrified of butterflies. Do you think that means I was a victim of monarch programming? Most people think butterflies are beautiful but they are nothing more than flying worms which is freaking in my opinion.
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Lol. That's what I think of fish, like they're just parasites swimming through the ocean instead of bloodstreams.

I don't know if it's mk. Sometimes the person that asks the question has to be the one who answers it.
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Any of you old enough to have watched them originally when they first aired on tv in the late '60's, might consider watching the old tv series "Dark Shadows" on whatever is your fav online movie vendor.

The episodes might tend to bring up some memories from the time when you were perhaps being programmed--seriously.
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I used to rush home from school so I could watch it. Were you aware that they are getting ready to release a MOVIE of "Dark Shadows" in the next month or so with Johnny Depp as Barnabas Collins?

I wonder if that movie is meant to revitalize any programming? And what would it be programming FOR?
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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OP, do you actually know what modern methods of brainwashing are? FYI, MK-ULTRA is and obsolete program.

How about using internet for bombarding emotionally labile characters with paranoid and perplexing information?

Do you know what this site is all about?


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Interesting how this comment was ignored.
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BTW, anyone know offhand if a spiral/vortex is related?
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That symbol can be an association with pedophile groups. However this has been exposed for some time and such groups may be using other symbols to identify themselves among members
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I used to be heavily involved with programming. The group I was with would often go into schools, select certain children who we thought would make good subjects, and find some reason to isolate them. We'd take them out of class and do what we were trained to.

I'm actually proud of myself, because I looked up this one girl I remembered. She was only about 8 or 9 at the time, and now she's in her twenties. I followed her around recently and then went up and said the phrase which I had used to get her to bark like a dog all those years ago.

Even all these years later, the programming works. She started barking like a dog in public. The she stopped, looked at me with tears in her eyes, and ran away.

Yes, many of you may have been programmed and not even know it.
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what
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Paris, France. 1989.
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ever watched TV?

You are an MKULTRA victim.
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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
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Yes.
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WHEN U WERE ASKED TO TRY...FLOURIDE in 5th grade..then taken for a hearing test...the van seemed old and grey....and had a single loop antenna.

this was only the begining...
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it was an old ldv van black rubber floor no hub caps and a white shelf with things on it?
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Mine was an ice cream truck.
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ever watched TV?

You are an MKULTRA victim.
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I thought someone had to stick it in your pooper before it moved from regular tv brainwashing to MK Ultra?
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yea easier said than done though, I've been in therapy for a while now and she's one of the only people in my city who specialize in DID/MPD. Did anybody check out that link? There's just about everything you'd wanna know on there.


anyone else have strange dreams? I've currently got the Mr. Sandman song stuck in my head...creepy.
Here's a good test used clinically to measure dissociation...you can probably get a better idea of any symptoms too

[link to counsellingresource.com]

bump
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check into a safe in-patient psychiatric facility (even if you have to go out of state) to ensure that you will not be debriefed by your handler
hf
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If you start to have cognitive bias towards the symbol of the eye of Horus due to you attending a music festival, then you know you have been programmed.

See this thread: Thread: RAVES ushering in THE COMING OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER & THE END OF THE WORLD
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Ok this thread is making me paranoid. I have several symptoms or signals listed in earlier posts, PTSD, memory issues, missing years in my childhood, strangers handing me things out of the blue. Some of my stranger memories are remembering that the way we see things with our eyes in daily life looked different when i was a kid and that the change in how things look took place right in front of me,I was very aware sexually as a child and can remember that I wanted to have sex at the age of 7, just the slightest sight of breast cleavage and I would be ready to go. Most of my memories from my childhood are sad and strange. I was very afraid of being abandoned when i was a child almost to the point that it seems as if i was abandoned or taken at some point and the thought of it happening again threw me into a panic.
My dad is a Vietnam vet who was being, I guess you can call it, recruited to be a mercenary at the end of his last tour with the 1st infantry div. My maternal grandfather was a member of the Fraternal Order of Police and he had some friends who were masons.
A couple of strange things were said to me by some family members. One day my aunt(my moms brothers wife)looked at me and said "you used to be a cute kid, what happened to you?" Her tone was very odd when she said this, almost like she wasn't being purposely cruel but like, hey something did happen to you. Another weird thing said to me was from my uncle(dads brother)when my grandmother died I was helping my dad deal with some of the decisions he and his sibs were making and dad was very rude and hateful to them, especially my uncle so I was apologizing to my uncle and he said it didn't bother him cause he knew my dad had gone through alot in his life. He looked at me and said "do you remember what happened to you?", this came out of nowhere and I asked him what he meant and he would not tell me and that if I wanted to know I needed to ask my dad, which i did and got nothing in response.
This does sound convoluted but these things are true and if anyone can help me i would appreciate it.
In the end.... no one gets out alive.
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I was very aware sexually as a child and can remember that I wanted to have sex at the age of 7, just the slightest sight of breast cleavage and I would be ready to go.

- me too, at about age 4.

I was very afraid of being abandoned when i was a child almost to the point that it seems as if i was abandoned or taken at some point and the thought of it happening again threw me into a panic.

-me too, I think it's because I was a stolen child, literally, and I was subconsciously afraid it would happen again.


My dad is a Vietnam vet who was being, I guess you can call it, recruited to be a mercenary at the end of his last tour with the 1st infantry div. My maternal grandfather was a member of the Fraternal Order of Police and he had some friends who were masons.

-mine were CIA..

A couple of strange things were said to me by some family members. One day my aunt(my moms brothers wife)looked at me and said "you used to be a cute kid, what happened to you?"

-ditto, but it was my "grandmother"

He looked at me and said "do you remember what happened to you?", this came out of nowhere and I asked him what he meant and he would not tell me and that if I wanted to know I needed to ask my dad, which i did and got nothing in response.

-The woman that raised me is an idiot when it comes to Skype. She left it on once after "hanging up" and I got to hear her laugh and say "Won't it be funny when she finally finds out the truth."

Disturbing, isn't it? I've been digging into my documents, memories, anything I can that doesn't require asking to be told more lies.

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I've been digging into my documents, memories, anything I can that doesn't require asking to be told more lies.

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You've referred to documents several times. How would someone find out if there are some on them and go about getting them if you know something happened to you but have no idea what group did it other than the cover affiliation?
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I've been digging into my documents, memories, anything I can that doesn't require asking to be told more lies.

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You've referred to documents several times. How would someone find out if there are some on them and go about getting them if you know something happened to you but have no idea what group did it other than the cover affiliation?
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I dug for years. I was actually trying to find proof of my birth mom when I ran across mine.

What it came down to was luck as there is no secret "mkultra" file that can be accessed that I know of.

My handler had issues with me...I got social services called a lot for being neglected/abused because lets face it...I was going through a lot in those years. I requested those abuse files and when I received them I was floored.

You see, when I was little I used to have nightmares of a certain doctor paralyzing me and doing some pretty horrible things which you can find similar stories about in Monarch victims stories..I don't really want to go into detail. It was just wrong. But I thought it was just dreams, or prayed it was. He wasn't a normal doctor I saw in the daytime or that was one of my registered doctors.

That doctor's name also appears in Mkultra documents, and he lived in my state. I thought that was just coincidence...you know, the active imagination of a child just coincidentally matching mkultra materials and doctor's names.

Then I got to page 40 or so of my abuse documents. The social worker forgot to redact that page (she was probably bored by then, or a saint, I'm not sure). My handler was having such problems with social services bothering her about me that she had listed that doctor's name as a reference.

Right there, on paper, in documents that were exclusively about me was the name of the doctor that wasn't supposed to exist.

That is what I mean when I say documents.

I hope you find your own answers. I've learned that there was a very scared child that deserved to be believed...it was me. Trusting yourself is a huge part of finding the truth.
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You may be a victim of Organized Stalking and Electronic Harassment, which has a lot of MKULTRA within it. visit these websites for more information: [link to www.freedomfchs.org]

Another would be to look on youtube for the MKULTRA hearings from victims and the MKULTRA Documentary in which past victims sought justice and received it, including an apology from the UDA to the Canadian citizens it experimented on in this program. One is on this channel (The documentary)

Also there is [link to targetedindividualscanada.wordpress.com]
Search YOuTube for MONARCH. Also maybe start with wikipaedia and there is one YOuTuve channel that I know of that documents MONARCH [link to www.youtube.com]
Good luck.
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I used to be heavily involved with programming. The group I was with would often go into schools, select certain children who we thought would make good subjects, and find some reason to isolate them. We'd take them out of class and do what we were trained to.

I'm actually proud of myself, because I looked up this one girl I remembered. She was only about 8 or 9 at the time, and now she's in her twenties. I followed her around recently and then went up and said the phrase which I had used to get her to bark like a dog all those years ago.

Even all these years later, the programming works. She started barking like a dog in public. The she stopped, looked at me with tears in her eyes, and ran away.

Yes, many of you may have been programmed and not even know it.
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I often wondered if i was programed as well. when i was 6 i was taken into CPS custody because my schizophrenic mother called the police and said she was going to kill everyone in the house ! after that I remember much, I was moved around from placement to placement.

i ran away at age 11 i dont remember why exactly. however when they found me got thrown into a place called Bellefaire JCB in cleveland, ohio. its a treatment center for children with mental health issues. i was kept there for 5 years. Locked in,helpless. before this time i hadnt even seen a shrink before in my young life ! they didnt even bother with a psych evalution,my caseworker just dropped me off and next thing you know i was imprisoned there.

I was never given an official diagnosis or put on meds and I dont remember as much as should from those 5 years. 2 of the other girls killed themselves while i was there. one of them was my roomate at the time. Today they even have program called "the monarch school' its for autistic kids but i mean why would they even call it that?

Today i suffer from CPTSD and i have panic attacks that happen randomly. the oddest things trigger them ! as for liking butterflies i have a butterfly tramp stamp i got when i was 15 years old after i was released i remember thinking it symbolized freedom and change so it was perfect for me at the time.
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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
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You blink rapidly and freeze for two seconds, when you see Mickey Mouse, Willie Nelson's face, one eye symbolism, (monarch) butterflies, kittens, bunnies, Disney cartoons, hear the song Somewhere over the rainbow, see Mary Poppins...

For starters.
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ever watched TV?

You are an MKULTRA victim.
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It depends. But yeah, must be very true in the US and Japan.

...

But did you guys know that they have a (global) radio broadcast that is supposed to do that interference and implanting ideas shit.

plus, just shoot random shit out in the air, cuz the elite believes in magic, codes, power of words and intention, fear mongering, shock energies.

the radio is inaudible, you cannot tune into it, not with the FM.

But they do play hit songs by one-eyed artists, encrypted into a code that is supposed to decode into telepathic form, when the signal hits the human skull.

like you suddenly just think ("hear", or even sing!) a particular pop song - even though you do not hear it from the radio in the room, your CD player, or elevator at that moment, or the day or even in that week.

one code they love to broadcast is "you got AIDS". and similar fear mongering, out of the blue phrases.

then, they have people going to work to this place like it was just a normal radio station. it is just pure evil, like Jerry Springer.

...

or, maybe I just imagine it all. Like that dead stand-up comedian, who was in the roast of Hasselhoff.
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We are all meat.
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We're not just a bunch of "meat popsicles"

yoda
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Paris, France 1989.
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Paris, France 1989.
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That's the second time you've posted this.

Is that allegedly a trigger? If not, then what about Paris, France?
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We're all victims of programming, here's more information:

[link to www.theforbiddenknowledge.com]
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OP you're not the only one going through this now...memories flooding to the front, honeycombs breaking down...

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