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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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And what if monarch and mkultra don't fit? Who or what are these shadow people? Only at night do they show up and then when you get pissed about them holding you down the run! Nailed one in the front yard a few years back with a maglight and it freak my wife out that I hit something in the yard that we could not see. Are they good or bad? I hate evil with a passion like no other. Yet these shadow people don't seem evil. Those symbols you see are pure evil, yet people are drawn to them. When I was younger I saw things that they claim are legends, but they are not. I was being followed by something all the time. A girl I use to hang with could see shit happen before it did and she would prove it. She said it was my guardian. WTF? She said one day it would leave me. It did just that and made sure I knew it too. It was some kind of winged creature that walked on all four. That is not monarch nor mk. This girl knew who I would be with later in life and gave a damn good description of her. My first wife was not her for sure, but the woman I am married to now is. It makes no sense at all!
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can anyone shed some light on my experiences?

I've had a few of the "symptoms" listed here... well, to start off, when I was four years old, I was suffering from insomnia. After a while, my grandmother whom I was living with began to wonder why and squeezed it out of me. I told her that my paternal grandfather (with a military background) on the opposite side of the family had, on multiple occasions, tied me to a bed, locked me in a closet, and along with some other unidentified people brought me to an unfamiliar place and performed hypnosis on me. I was then taken to a psychologist who I reiterated the story to in great detail at the age of four. This is a pretty odd story for a four year old to be pulling out of the blue. The years afterwards, my memories of the events and my retelling of them began to disappear completely, and I began to wonder if they happened at all.

Anyways, I had a very difficult childhood. A few months preceding my testimony my parents had gotten divorced, and I spent my childhood bouncing from place to place, school to school and with different relatives. I became chronically and manically depressed, and at times even suicidal at the age of 9 years old. Many people in my life as well as total strangers however constantly had told me that I had a very important job to do on Earth, that I was gifted, etc. but I wasn't too keen on buying into grandeur.

I was also sexually abused by an aunt, the daughter of my grandfather who I had testified had hypnotized me, at the age of 6 or 7 on multiple occasions. I was also physically abused by both parents, and both sets of grandparents.

Also, at a young age, I would have nightly communications in my head with what I believed to be Extra Terrestrial beings, which I'll elaborate on later.

Well anyways, fast forward to high school. After spending some time in a stabler environment, the folks who I was living with began to display signs of extreme schizophrenia, and I had to leave. They even called the cops on me multiple times after having left and told them all sorts of crazy things about me that were completely untrue (that I had threatened to kill them, that I was planning to blow up the school, that I was a drug dealer, etc.). This made life quite difficult as if it was not already. I still suffered from depression, suicidal tendencies, anxiety, and PTSD from multiple childhood experiences many of which I have omitted. Despite everything, I had still managed to be an A+ student and was tied for valedictorian, and sported an IQ of 143 (not sure how "high" you would consider that.)

I began to take LSD (as well as mescaline) junior year, and had multiple very spiritual experiences which helped my cope with my difficult past. I also had experiences with my best friend where we were able to communicate telepathically, thus proving to me without any shadow of a doubt that it was possible. November of junior year, I take 9 hits of LSD, which at the time didn't seem very much to me as I had become an experienced user and had already begun developing a tolerance. This was very high grade stuff, but I had not anticipated things turning out the way they would. I had planned only to relax, meditate, and have a spiritual experience which would blow the lid off everything.

First off, I immediately began hearing a sound which sounded like radio frequencies being turned up and down, similar to a siren. It was like nothing I had ever heard before and I could only describe as sounding "alien". (strangely enough, afterwards, my mother also said she heard this sound during this time) The sound had an echo/reverb to it as well, and solely from the sound of it it gave me a 3d rendering of my head of what I was hearing and where it was above the house. To me, it sounded as if there was a massive alien space ship in the sky, and multiple smaller ships flying around. I live in an area where UFO's are commonly sighted by the way so it made sense to me (they appear in formations multiple times a week, in the same place, and have been for the past year). I began to communicate with the UFO, and they told me they would take me away from this planet which had caused me so much pain, that I would just have to go outside. At this time I was not even very high, there were no visual hallucinations at all as of yet, just this sound and these communications. I was determined on going, but I was still coming up and began reveling so much that I spent too much dilly-dallying and they said that I had missed my opportunity, but they continued talking to me. They told me a whole wealth of spiritual information that I could not repeat, but the best thing I remember is their presence and showing me the light within everything, and I could physically see it shining out of every atom, the most beautiful light I had ever seen. I could even manipulate these atoms, see through walls, see into outer space. After my long lecture, they eventually left me to myself. I began to have a vision of mayan deities communicating with me who before I had never had any knowledge of, and strangely, I was personified as Loki (god of mischief and fire). There was a woman in a pink flowing dress with very dark eyes and brown hair on a white granite terrace on a beach at night, and a man in what seemed like a black velvet smoking suit hemmed with purple mainly communicating, as well as a group of entities I could not perceive visually but felt, and seemed to be making up some sort of "council". They were telling me, Loki, bring the fire, bring the fire. And I could see the whole universe and planets orbiting around suns at different speeds. It was very beautiful and enchanting, but also perplexing, though at the time it was not perplexing at all and only seemed "natural". Not long thereafter, a very large beam which was attached to my wall proceeded to fall off by itself, knocking three huge gaping holes in the wall. The folks who I was living with, angry and awakened, burst in, see me with my huge black-plate eyes and me not acting normal, call the cops. 9 Cops burst in, wrestle me to the ground, cuff me (cut my wrists) and take me to the hospital, where I was sedated, harassed, given a catheter (that was fun) and given some short of shot between my testicles and anus with my legs positioned as if I was to have a baby, in the company of about a dozen people. It was very strange, cruel, and degrading. For weeks afterwards, I could still faintly hear the strange sounds.

Well anyways, my life was in shambles after this with the conditions placed upon me. Soon, I began to spot UFOs every single day and my life constantly had a feeling of "high strangeness". Later in the year, an experience took place whilst camping on the beach with friends where we encountered a UFO in which we were able to communicate with, telepathically and with out voices. It would respond visually by moving once for no and twice for yes. Both my friends I was with had seen it and were actively participating. They eventually got tired and went to bed, but I stayed up all night and well into the next morning speaking with this light. This light in the sky and has revisited me many times since. The next day, we are heading home, and harassed and followed by huge black unmarked SUV's acting very aggressively, it seemed like they were trying to have an accident and kill us. Luckily, we make it home. Things began to get VERY strange after this. I would be out in public and it seemed people were reading my mind, and would respond verbally. This happened on many occasions and was spot on. It freaked me out greatly. There was even one instance where whilst sitting on a train for an hour and a half, a woman who was sitting behind me was talking to me and responding to my thoughts the entire ride. I was saying nothing. The person she was sitting with was also saying absolutely nothing, though at times laughing and was definitely well aware of what was going on. The insomnia I had much of my life returned with a vengeance, and it was almost as if I had stepped into another dimension. Songs words would change each time I listened to them, and I began to be able to manipulate reality, first small things like traffic lights and then there were larger things such as causing an mp3 player to work through speakers without even connecting them. I did this in the presence of my friends so they would believe me. However, this freaked, quite frankly, the living FUCK out of them and both, even though they were my best friends for 7 years, decided to not associate with me at all anymore. This was not good on my mental health, and one day whilst having an argument with the folks I was living with, one of them jumped on top of me and held me to the ground, I began to scream my head off, and they proceeded to call the cops who of course must've heard and thought something serious was happening. They came, I was completely calm and rational, however the folks I was living with begin to tell them a whole 'nother host of lies, that I had held a knife to them, was going to kill them, etc.. So, the cops take me to the hospital, where I was not very happy and quite frankly very cranky. I am there kept up all night, horrible anxiety, and they decide to send me to a mental hospital on the basis of complete fucking lies. The friends who I had camped with also completely denied them ever seeing a light, and had said I was completely crazy. It is there that I am forced to spend the ten worst days of my life. I was let out early last september, many seizures and much pain followed. There were still many inexplicable incidents that occurred, but eventually all strangeness faded out of my life, and I have become very ill, chronically constipated, depressed, suicidal and in pain, and have become a hermit, no friends, no girlfriend, and nothing to do.

Anyways, some background, my maternal grandparents have also had strange experiences much of which can be validated, with the Men in Black, as well one instance when my Mother was a child where a UFO came and hovered over the house for half an hour for the whole family to see.

So, do you think I could be the victim of MK Ultra? Something else? A combination of things? Any similar experiences or anything you can shed light on?

Thank you so much if you read all this, and thank you in advance for replies. If you're going to be an asshole and call BS, I assure you, it is not.
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This thread refuses to show up in my active threads list despite the fact that I've posted to it several times.
Maybe that's how to tell if you've been a victim ;) ..I'm only half joking.
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What about your first memories being in a body cast hanging out with a clown with beartraps for feet.

It's the comunication that hurts the most.
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Where did this come from? I am.pretty sure this is a joke, but I was in a body cast at 2 and one of my first memories is of a clown that was visiting kids on the the floor but was totally terrifying t
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This thread refuses to show up in my active threads list despite the fact that I've posted to it several times.
Maybe that's how to tell if you've been a victim ;) ..I'm only half joking.
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Havent seen this thread show up in my active threads either and I did post to it a while back. And I favorited it last time I posted, still in my favorites though.
I am not a anonymous coward.
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If mk ultra is real, how many are really functional? Abused children don't necessarily grow into functional adults. Or was ruining them the idea?
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If mk ultra is real, how many are really functional? Abused children don't necessarily grow into functional adults. Or was ruining them the idea?
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I joke about that frequently. "They can't have a master plan for me, I'd ruin it."

The question might be better put as something along the following:

a) Were we just experiments with no value other than as guinea pigs?
b) Did they really think they could make a perfectly functional being by putting them through hell?
c) Are the lunatics running the asylum?

But on to my introspective answer:

I always missed feeling loved because I couldn't particularly trust the adults in my life. I wanted that feeling of real connection, craved it, even if being wanted meant my being absolutely devoted even when being absolutely used. I have a very distinct memory, I couldn't tell you if it was a dream or not, but in it I was promised to and promised myself to a man and whatever the hell it was he needed me for during the time he chose to need me..almost an assignment of sorts I suppose? But the point is I was so willing because to me it felt like acceptance and the promise of caring/love. We may be broken, but breaks can be exploited.
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Without going into any of the details, do any other MKs have a tendency towards the fun kind of masochism?
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Without going into any of the details, do any other MKs have a tendency towards the fun kind of masochism?
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Is that like pleasure from pain, whether it be self inflicted pain or pain caused by someone else?
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when you have found the truth, work with it the energy, and still are controlled by a dark force.
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Without going into any of the details, do any other MKs have a tendency towards the fun kind of masochism?
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Is that like pleasure from pain, whether it be self inflicted pain or pain caused by someone else?
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Yeah, although not from self-inflicted in my case.
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So I have this memory...
Of a classroom on a medical ward. I would check in downstairs through the waiting room/receptionist and then up the internal elevator I would go to the fourth floor (I think it was the fourth). On the ward there were a few larger classrooms of kids on the right and some smaller rooms on the left. The smaller rooms were basic medical examination rooms and there was one that was more classroom-like where they were testing auditory..everyone sat in their own space facing the wall and had headsets on for that one. The classrooms, what I remember from them, were rather loud and crowded with lots of different activities. There were other medical rooms and interesting stuff around the corner down another hallway but I only remember sneaking over to look in with curiosity now and then..I'm pretty sure I wasn't supposed to.

Anyone have anything similar?
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I'm amazing at killing these threads. TPTB should give me an award.
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And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
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Answer: IMHO...If by chance you ever attended a school as a child where "THEY" daily gave you milk & cookies followed immediately by "NAP" time, then believe me you have been subjected to the "GAME".--true story folks,I remember being sick once and not ingesting the goodies. Immediately after laying down with the others, I saw the principal and another adult{non faculty} come in and randomly choose two classmates to take away. I was way to young to understand it then but believe me, now I do!!!
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And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416403
Answer: IMHO...If by chance you ever attended a school as a child where "THEY" daily gave you milk & cookies followed immediately by "NAP" time, then believe me you have been subjected to the "GAME".--true story folks,I remember being sick once and not ingesting the goodies. Immediately after laying down with the others, I saw the principal and another adult{non faculty} come in and randomly choose two classmates to take away. I was way to young to understand it then but believe me, now I do!!!
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I remember having some really awkward moments after missing out on snack/drink time. I was really shy so sometimes I got overlooked when things were being passed out.
Like I just wouldn't understand where all of the kids were going, etc after drink time and I would be really confused because the routine would change to one I wasn't familiar with. Back then I just thought I was bad/stupid and not getting the drink or knowing where to go were just all signs of that. However, the teachers would eventually figure it out, I would get the drink, and everything would sort itself out.
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woukd it cause someone to .......... oh Idont know
HEAR VOICES in the head
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woukd it cause someone to .......... oh Idont know
HEAR VOICES in the head
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Through "brain beaming" tech, possibly. There are patents and stories, but it's still a bizarre concept to accept, eh?

Monarch training is intended to fragment the mind. If it's successful and they break the mind into shards, I don't see why the shards wouldn't attempt to reintegrate/communicate with each other with "voices". It's fairly commonly noted in psychology for similar types of cases.

Other than that...you're nuts :)

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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
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These are pretty much symptoms of paranoia. Just sayin'

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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1375001

These are pretty much symptoms of paranoia. Just sayin'

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17825540


I don't think of memory lapses or memory fog as being signs of paranoia.
One would think the paranoid would actually be more observant and thus never have a moment go by unnoticed lol.


PTSD..I could probably test as having it.

Waking up feeling drugged...that would be my average morning. Some worse than others, some just feel like extreme exhaustion from lack of sleep even though I've slept, some are so extreme that yeah I probably was drugged.

Memory lapses..I lost a year once when I was young, a day or 2 here and there since.

Memory fog..I'll blame that one on coffee.

Obsessions with phrases...Not so much in my case. I get annoyed by the use of obvious phrases and I move on.

Strangers...are strange. I take most of what they say with a large grain of salt. One told me once that my cell was in New York. What am I to make of that? lol. There have been others that I wish I remembered now. Ones that self assuredly told me what they thought I was, or that stopped me and asked me why I was going into the mk-esque facilities I was going in. Some, even for strangers, seemed genuinely concerned. Some were absolutely sure that they knew me even though I could swear I never met them.

Being followed...Depends on how you define that. Is it following if they get there first? ;) In that case yeah, lots of weird "Oh I didn't think I'd see you here, oh look you've moved in" moments. I had a guy follow me once wanting to beg for drug money, but I'm sure that was his addiction more than anything. I also had someone self elect them self as my protector and thus followed me everywhere, but I was nice and invited them along...hell, I could use protection.

Seeing the same stranger at different places...Maybe, but I'm not nearly observant enough to be sure.

Phone messages with no caller ID...yeah, but that's not exactly out of this world.

Garbled messages...Yeah, but they're mostly only from one person so I think that one either has really bad luck with tech or somehow does it intentionally. It's annoying, whatever the reason.

Knowing something not taught in school...Yeah, I have post grad level knowledge of a certain speciality that I never officially went to school for.

An instant knowledge re other people...once in a rare while, maybe it's our spirits meeting ;)

Strangers recommending things...Yeah. I used to take the advice if it was interesting enough. Not so much these days. Now they're asking me for advice which is even more bizarre. Like I said, strangers are strange.

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Very interesting Skittle Hive. There are some definite red flags there.

I'd be interested to know more about the 'post grad level knowledge of a certain speciality' bit. Is it something obscure and/or detailed, or sort of a vague knowledge of something that you possibly could have picked up somewhere without remembering exactly where?
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Very interesting Skittle Hive. There are some definite red flags there.

I'd be interested to know more about the 'post grad level knowledge of a certain speciality' bit. Is it something obscure and/or detailed, or sort of a vague knowledge of something that you possibly could have picked up somewhere without remembering exactly where?
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It's a speciality. Not sure where a kid could pick that up to the degree I have, after all I was raised before the internet. I always assumed it was just some innate ability, and if anyone asks me in person that is exactly what I will claim. But from a looking glass perspective, well...the possibilities are disturbing if one opens the mind to allow them.

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Almost everyone has been.

If you are male and are circumcised you are a victim of infant ritual based sexual assault, the trauma of which allows a certain type of hardened individual to step forward in infant development, rather than a more compassionate caring individual. Women, there's your reason for males being screwed up, don't let it happen to your babies.

The sonograms used to view infants before they are born is also trauma based mind programming, blasting a infant preborn infant with soundwaves is exactly the same type of torture Fritz Springmeier wrote about in his book on creating a mind controlled slave.

The vaccines with brain damaging mercury goes without saying, if you have been injected, you are a victim of monarch programming.

Watching TV is monarch programming, the flicker rate used, the programs you watch - there is a reason why they are called PROGRAMS - you are being programmed.
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What is the significance of Forget Me Nots ?
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The neighbours are easier to screw with?
:)

Thought that was a name in a town...but then I might be thinking of something else.
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So much of this rings true for me, I have posted many memories of it in the MGM thread. After digesting this particular thread today it made me wonder if anyone else had this picture when they were growing up? There is a long story associated with the picture because I lost it when I was 9 but it haunted me my whole life until a few years ago I sought it out and got two copies of it (one an original lithograph). I used to have this hanging over my bed as a kid, need I point out the butterfly reference - not only does she have wings but there is a butterfly on her head.

If this triggers anyone I am sorry, I am just trying to see if this is familiar to anyone else.

Butterfly Girl
I'm Out of My Element ~ Nurture Nature