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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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The butter fly thing is a common mind control image. The victims tend to identify with them. The hard part is finding the other abuse members. For what ever reason most recall little to nothing. The memories are hidden in open view along side normal memories. Keep in mind that many MKULTRA victims got good grades in school WHILE they were being programed. They programed me when I was younger but all I remember is being shown lots of slides and asked questions about what fruit when where. The program I am in is run by people from another reality so they leave little to no paper work. Finding other members of the team is next to impossible. What where we programmed for? I have no idea... but it seemed harmless enough at the time. It felt a lot like Fallout 3, where a person lives and dies inside a vault.
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 Quoting: Haelo


Do you also have memorys of an underground cement square tunnel?

Because I do and the same as you very good grades in school.

Except for the 7th grade.

I stopped bathing and could not concentrate(but then again I see myself doing that).

But I do have an AAS in Electronics Engineering Technology that I was screwed out of using 20 years ago.
 Quoting: grrttsgar


Without going into any of the details, do any other MKs have a tendency towards the fun kind of masochism?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16005393


Is that like pleasure from pain, whether it be self inflicted pain or pain caused by someone else?
 Quoting: starshine 15998184


Yeah, although not from self-inflicted in my case.
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These two things jumped out at me, well many things actually jumped out and were answered with yes on my end, but these two are peculiar, no?. I have a recurring dream of going through a cement tunnel structure that is accompanied with a nauseated feeling, and the second bold, let's just say I explored such genre's to some degree...
I'm Out of My Element ~ Nurture Nature
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So much of this rings true for me, I have posted many memories of it in the MGM thread. After digesting this particular thread today it made me wonder if anyone else had this picture when they were growing up? There is a long story associated with the picture because I lost it when I was 9 but it haunted me my whole life until a few years ago I sought it out and got two copies of it (one an original lithograph). I used to have this hanging over my bed as a kid, need I point out the butterfly reference - not only does she have wings but there is a butterfly on her head.

If this triggers anyone I am sorry, I am just trying to see if this is familiar to anyone else.

Butterfly Girl
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I had a similar image at my grandmother's. Ours had more green. Not the same image but similar style- the way the paint is applied, the use of light, etc- and with girls (but more than one..I think there were two main characters), and yeah there were wings. In mine a girl's legs were immobilized by something...a skirt of some sort that looked like ceramic. I never really thought about it by itself. Pretty much my grandmother's entire life was out of place if you tried to compare it against the explanations and stories...seemed silly to go questioning just her artwork lol.

The masochist question was me as an AC.

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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
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go to someone and have yourself "regressed"

start with that

instead of flailing wildly in the wind

anothers words or experiences won't mean shit to you

in truth

and you know it
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WHEN U WERE ASKED TO TRY...FLOURIDE in 5th grade..then taken for a hearing test...the van seemed old and grey....and had a single loop antenna.

this was only the begining...
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School is practically a blur for me, but I do remember having many hearing tests done in elementary school. But was always told that my hearing was fine. But hearing test continued anyway.
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OP,
Focus on the NOW.

Although my paranoia makes me think you are a psyop, I wish you the best of luck.
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chuckle

YOU TOO!!!??? haha
I hate it when people say "We are not humans having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience" Like, WTF does that change?
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Very interesting Skittle Hive. There are some definite red flags there.

I'd be interested to know more about the 'post grad level knowledge of a certain speciality' bit. Is it something obscure and/or detailed, or sort of a vague knowledge of something that you possibly could have picked up somewhere without remembering exactly where?
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SKITTLES is a code word...lol

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I hate it when people say "We are not humans having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience" Like, WTF does that change?
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Very interesting Skittle Hive. There are some definite red flags there.

I'd be interested to know more about the 'post grad level knowledge of a certain speciality' bit. Is it something obscure and/or detailed, or sort of a vague knowledge of something that you possibly could have picked up somewhere without remembering exactly where?
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SKITTLES is a code word...lol
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Lol. It's code for unethical behavioural modification actually.

Although at present I believe it's been co-opted by a certain boy in the news who had to go to the store for skittles.

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Fritz Springmeier - The Illuminati Formula Used to Create
an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave
[link to www.theforbiddenknowledge.com]

Brice Taylor - Thanks For the Memories
[link to www.conspirazzi.com]

Cathy O'Brien - Trance-Formation of America
[link to archive.org]

hf
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Came across this thread while trying to research if I had possibly been programmed. Many of the posts rang true for me. My childhood was odd and I've always felt like something was off. Alot of posts here have really hit home.

When my mom was about 12, her mom and dad divorced. My grandmother then married a freemason. In my mother's teen years she became a drug user and ran away from home at 18. I always wondered why she felt compelled to runaway but no straight answer was given. Just that she had to get out.

My mother got pregnant with me and married my father. When I was two my father left to get cigarettes and never returned. My birth certificate has an alias name my father gave. I was born in Louisiana but have a Kentucky SSN. My mom is very evasive when I ask questions about it. My dad made one phone call to my mom when I was 5 and that's the last he was heard from.

My mother returned home with me to live with my grandmother and my grandmothers freemason husband. My grandmother had a son four years older than me. Today my uncle is also a freemason.

I have very few memories before age 10 and none before 5. I do remember being highly sexual as young child probably from about 7 years old. I don't know how normal that is for a girl. There were times I had unexplained rug burns on my spine. Once my mother saw them and questioned me frantically if anyone was hurting me. I didn't remember how it happened.

I started having epileptic seizures at age 10. Also at age 10 is when my freemason step-grandfather left my grandmother for a younger woman with young girls.

I've lost time, had strangers know me by a different name, deja vu, panic attacks in my car, compulsive behaviors, brain fog, inappropriate crying, dreams I'm another person,etc.

Thanks to everyone that's shared their experiences. I'm sure if all my dots are connected but this thread has helped me.
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So much of this rings true for me, I have posted many memories of it in the MGM thread. After digesting this particular thread today it made me wonder if anyone else had this picture when they were growing up? There is a long story associated with the picture because I lost it when I was 9 but it haunted me my whole life until a few years ago I sought it out and got two copies of it (one an original lithograph). I used to have this hanging over my bed as a kid, need I point out the butterfly reference - not only does she have wings but there is a butterfly on her head.

If this triggers anyone I am sorry, I am just trying to see if this is familiar to anyone else.

Butterfly Girl
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It is familiar to me and I don't like the picture.

Cannot stand looking at it for long either, feels as though she will jump out at me.
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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares - Hebrews 13:2

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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416403



go to someone and have yourself "regressed"

start with that

instead of flailing wildly in the wind

anothers words or experiences won't mean shit to you

in truth

and you know it
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It is not advisable to get yourself regressed, you may open a Pandora's Box.
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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares - Hebrews 13:2

One Crowded hour of glorious life, is worth an age without a name - Thomas Osbert Mordaunt
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It is not advisable to get yourself regressed, you may open a Pandora's Box.
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Pfffttt.
I opened the box and I'm fine. Haven't been able to concentrate or work full time like I used to and I look like a terrified deer in the headlights half the time, but it's been therapeutic and enlightening.
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MKUltra program uses electricity and telephone lines.

Victim may feel vibration or slight 'wiggle to large toe, usually right foot.

Victim may hear high pitched whine/slight rattle as program runs
through electrical wires. Anything with electrical wires in it is used to send tones to the victim. Program utilizes tones and light.
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MKUltra program uses electricity and telephone lines.

Victim may feel vibration or slight 'wiggle to large toe, usually right foot.

Victim may hear high pitched whine/slight rattle as program runs
through electrical wires. Anything with electrical wires in it is used to send tones to the victim. Program utilizes tones and light.
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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
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The above is too vauge .
Maybe something along the lines of coming from Freemason familes, One day something just "hits" you and you start questioning everything,For ones ive talked to may be a Coincidence but usually the days just before or just after turning 18 .Your life may take 360 and you will find yourself doing things you never thought you could possibly do before. You find yourself living close to freemasons and possibly CIA operatives.(who you may or may not be friends with )You don't know a lot about your heritage .You may be the quiet type of person , often thought of as weird for keeping to yourself. People may be drawn to you even when you keep to yourself.
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Various methods have been used over time. The 60's were about Oz Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan programming. Lots of drugs and pain were used, so much so that many didn't make it. From then to now methods have change a bunch and the movies and TV shows keep up with the times. I saw someone mentioned Dark Shadows and that certainly was one. A more current one would be Charmed. Music is also used to reinforce programming. Especially songs that most ppl seem to think make no sense. This is often done without the knowledge of the singers, actors, directors, producers etc. But there are those who know exactly what they are doing. One indication if you find yourself getting *sucked in* to a story or a song, especially a series, maybe even one you normally wouldn't be interested in. Anything you love to watch over and over. There are some classics but mentioning them would be too extensive and also just a bad idea.

If you suspect this has happened to you, think back to movies, cartoons and TV shows you LOVED very much or even perhaps terrified you. Go back and watch them again and look in the back ground at the props and colors etc. There are certain symbols and color combinations, characters etc. If you have a hard time doing this and find you just keep getting sucked in again... likely there is a reason. some are universally triggering and others change with the generations.

Take caution as such things can be very triggering and even start up programs that have been dormant a long time. Have support and a safe person but also be aware that the one you choose as a safety person might in fact be your handler.

Things many victims have in common:

similar memories of bright lights and common denominators with UFO abduction victims.

father in the military and most often possessing AB- blood

usually a split home with father abusive or absent

victims can be bloodline or non bloodline. Non bloodline victims often have many scars, often occult in nature. Bloodline victims often have no visible scars but often they can be discovered under black lights

Bloodline victims are descendents of very ANCIENT bloodlines so learning your family history can be helpful.

false memories are often implanted to render any victim *telling* to sound and be found mentally ill or otherwise not credible.

Most victims have assorted *abilities* such as a photographic memory, out of body experiences and dreams, above average in intelligence and athletic abilities, empathic or other paranormal abilities.

Many lose time or find themselves behaving strangely with no idea why.

Many turn to drugs and alcohol to deaden any trauma and/or memories that begin to come up.

There were many projects and programming had different focus and intention.

Many victims are diagnosed DID, Borderline, Bipolar and Schizophrenic. Most all are dissociative which is why so many comment on seeing themselves rather than seeing through their own eyes. This is done intentionally and often victims are selected for their natural ability to dissociate.

If you suspect you are a victim be very careful in whom you choose to trust.

I saw someone mention the ability to heal yourself is in your mind, this can be very true but care must be taken as all victims have omega programming (suicide programs) as well as restart or tell programs to tell on yourself to a handler.
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If you voted for Romney, you've had your IQ removed by MK Ultra. I'm sure of this.
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If anyone could respond I would greatly appreciate it, I have been wondering if I could have been programmed during my childhood. I was sexually abused in infancy, the trauma of the event left me pretty much numb and unfortunately I have no recollection of the actual abuse. I can remember floating over my body and drifting into myself not remembering anything, literally I had no recollection of my life, but somehow I could still recall my relationships with the people and places around me, just not the events or experiences. I was raised by my mother and step father, and even after telling my mother (in adulthood) numerous times, it felt as though she was hiding something from me. My grandfather was a master mason, he served as worshipful master in his blue lodge and had a masonic funeral. I have unusual recollection abilities when it comes to spoken word and visuals, I have the ability to mimic and change my voice even to sound as though I am a man (it could just be a natural talent). I guess the reason why it is of interest to me is because it wasn't until the death of my grandfather that I began to feel emotion. My grandfather was my rock so I make no crazy insinuations about him, he was a good man. It was the trauma of losing him that awoke real emotions. I actually felt, for the first time and the intensity of feeling such emotions for the first time sent me into a spiral of alcohol and drug abuse that lasted for a year or two. As a child I was so disassociated that I felt nothing but apathy for others, and now as an adult I cry at the drop of a hat. I also have had reoccurring sleep paralysis all my life, and experienced it the most recently a week ago. Even if this isn't programming, is it just symptomatic of a person suffering from post trauma, or something else? Any response would be greatly appreciated.hiding
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LMFAO...

this is a very serious subject...but oh my god I laughed so hard...

whoever you are anonymous funnyman/woman...you made my night!
!!!lollollol
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LMFAO...

this is a very serious subject...but oh my god I laughed so hard...

whoever you are anonymous funnyman/woman...you made my night!
!!!lollollol
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Glad to know that other people's pain can be the source of your enjoyment. Perhaps you should grasp the concept of empathy before you laugh someone off. shark
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If anyone could respond I would greatly appreciate it, I have been wondering if I could have been programmed during my childhood. I was sexually abused in infancy, the trauma of the event left me pretty much numb and unfortunately I have no recollection of the actual abuse. I can remember floating over my body and drifting into myself not remembering anything, literally I had no recollection of my life, but somehow I could still recall my relationships with the people and places around me, just not the events or experiences. I was raised by my mother and step father, and even after telling my mother (in adulthood) numerous times, it felt as though she was hiding something from me. My grandfather was a master mason, he served as worshipful master in his blue lodge and had a masonic funeral. I have unusual recollection abilities when it comes to spoken word and visuals, I have the ability to mimic and change my voice even to sound as though I am a man (it could just be a natural talent). I guess the reason why it is of interest to me is because it wasn't until the death of my grandfather that I began to feel emotion. My grandfather was my rock so I make no crazy insinuations about him, he was a good man. It was the trauma of losing him that awoke real emotions. I actually felt, for the first time and the intensity of feeling such emotions for the first time sent me into a spiral of alcohol and drug abuse that lasted for a year or two. As a child I was so disassociated that I felt nothing but apathy for others, and now as an adult I cry at the drop of a hat. I also have had reoccurring sleep paralysis all my life, and experienced it the most recently a week ago. Even if this isn't programming, is it just symptomatic of a person suffering from post trauma, or something else? Any response would be greatly appreciated.hiding
 Quoting: PleaseHelp 27380019


I got my emotions back 3 years ago and they are so underdeveloped and out of whack that it's unbelievable. Trauma sucks, whatever the cause.
I can't say what caused yours, only you can.
hf
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great...

look at my avatar.


i've always questioned my mother. she was orphaned in a louisiana orphanage where they were beaten, starved, and molested in the late 50's and 60's. she is an emotional wreck and a little nutty most times.

she only has memories of horrid things, but won't speak anymore about it

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Almost everyone has been.

If you are male and are circumcised you are a victim of infant ritual based sexual assault, the trauma of which allows a certain type of hardened individual to step forward in infant development, rather than a more compassionate caring individual. Women, there's your reason for males being screwed up, don't let it happen to your babies.

The sonograms used to view infants before they are born is also trauma based mind programming, blasting a infant preborn infant with soundwaves is exactly the same type of torture Fritz Springmeier wrote about in his book on creating a mind controlled slave.

The vaccines with brain damaging mercury goes without saying, if you have been injected, you are a victim of monarch programming.

Watching TV is monarch programming, the flicker rate used, the programs you watch - there is a reason why they are called PROGRAMS - you are being programmed.
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Remember Romper Room, and the magic mirror? Your name potentially called out with the teacher saying she could see you? It seems innocent enough, but really it is kind of creepy.
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I am 54. My grandfather was a 33 degree Mason. I even have his "Morals and Dogma" book that is supposed to be returned to the lodge upon his death because the knowledge is "esoteric". I've read it through twice.

I was sexually abused from the time I was 2 until 12. I was suicidal as a kid. Slept alot and had reoccuring dreams of being in a large two story southern style house...white with large pillars in front. Being driven in a black car to this house and going inside and down a hallway with alot of doors. The dream always ends when I open a particular door.

Have no memories except the sexual abuse from ages 2 til about 6. THen very sketchy until I was a teenager.

Remember being at Fort Hood army base when I was about 7. Don't know what for.

Always felt like I didn't belong in my family...a sense of disconnect. Very introverted. Insecure.

Suffered from insomnia my whole life and still do.

Always felt like I'm supposed to be a doctor...like I feel responsible for helping people get well. Weird.

Does all this add up to anything??
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There are therapists treating this under the term Ritual Abuse and also MPD which you can find Googling those terms.
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MKUltra program uses electricity and telephone lines.

Victim may feel vibration or slight 'wiggle to large toe, usually right foot.

Victim may hear high pitched whine/slight rattle as program runs
through electrical wires. Anything with electrical wires in it is used to send tones to the victim. Program utilizes tones and light.
 Quoting: Helpful 1938536

as a kid, did you ever saw the utility poles marching by while laying in bed, trying to sleep? just like the hammers in pink floyd's the wall - an endless regiment of utility poles with malicious intent, weaving in the entire world for consumption.

and if i just gave you dark thoughts, please don't worry and think about something nice and fun like mickey mouse.

it will be allright...
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if you grew up in front of one of these;
[link to www.smartgirl.org]
you can be classified as a mkultra subject

if you remember phrases like;
" i'll be back" or
"show me the money"
then you can be sure you have been PROGRAMmed.
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trust me you know it if it happens to you

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