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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
James
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there alot of us out there , we could be your neighbor, a friend, or even your own family.

I could state from my own experiences

blacking out
missing time
needle marks
missing years from your childhood
have a hard time remembering anything
waking up feeling more tired then when you go to sleep
feeling drugged all the time
allergies (from the constant drugging)
speech impediments
memories of being on military operations
a strong obsession about this subject



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06/06/2011 05:14 AM
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One of the first signs is that the hole in your ass has grown and got a little hurt.
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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
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YES

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Lets asume there will be no help.

Abuse and comunication.
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06/06/2011 05:19 AM
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just ask your handler...



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06/06/2011 05:21 AM
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G.A.T.E. MGM. MCL.

Programming out in the open
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06/06/2011 05:24 AM
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BTW, anyone know offhand if a spiral/vortex is related?
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Yes. This is a common symbol used for hypnosis. It also can denote falling into a dream state, a trance, or an alter.

I have heard the monarch butterfly also refers to remembering to go "home". This doesn't have to mean your actual hometown.

Bluebirds are another symbol as there was a project bluebird.

Btw, I am not claiming any special knowledge.

Cisco Wheeler does mention that many, many children were hypnotized. Once you have been put into a trance state, you will fall into a trance more easily. So, the mildest scenario: a child is put into a trance, told to forget the experience, and awakened. So, from then on the person (who thinks they have never been hypnotized) lightly trances doing things like watching TV. This makes them much more suggestible than they would be otherwise. So, if something is shown as a good thing all over their TV, they are more likely to be influenced by those messages and agree that (whatever) is good. Although, looking at how people have been acting, it may be easier to convince people that something is BAD. In the cases Cisco was talking about, usually no one gave permission so the kid wouldn't know and their parents may also not know.
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The butter fly thing is a common mind control image. The victims tend to identify with them. The hard part is finding the other abuse members. For what ever reason most recall little to nothing. The memories are hidden in open view along side normal memories. Keep in mind that many MKULTRA victims got good grades in school WHILE they were being programed. They programed me when I was younger but all I remember is being shown lots of slides and asked questions about what fruit when where.
 Quoting: murat 1334974


DITTO

some more symtoms
very high IQ
ptsd
insomnia
parent(s) in the military / medical profession
there's a lot more, but I'm still learning.

OP - be aware that some of the shills may also be using trigger words.
I've found that a sense of humor and prayer alleviate.
baby steps are advised.
vast resource of info on educate_yourself* dot* com
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Sure would be nice to get even just alittle what the fuck , over.
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There is a lady on the interwebs, her videos show the road shot as if you are the driver on an empty highway. Driving the same streth of road over and over. I think it's a thing. I don't know if it is another method of hypnosis or if people just remember driving or riding.
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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
 Quoting: miss ronni


google: Monarch Project

Are you connected to either the Catholic Church, law enforcement or military, psychiatric industry, perscribed meds when young?
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06/06/2011 05:33 AM
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What if you have no proof but the amount of weird things in your life seem to indicate you were a victim?
Should you leave it alone?
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06/06/2011 05:53 AM
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OP, do you actually know what modern methods of brainwashing are? FYI, MK-ULTRA is and obsolete program.

How about using internet for bombarding emotionally labile characters with paranoid and perplexing information?

Do you know what this site is all about?


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Well, what ever reason it may be , here we are.

What in this room is really real to you ?
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Thank you everyone for your responses.
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there alot of us out there , we could be your neighbor, a friend, or even your own family.

I could state from my own experiences

blacking out
missing time
needle marks
missing years from your childhood
have a hard time remembering anything
waking up feeling more tired then when you go to sleep
feeling drugged all the time
allergies (from the constant drugging)
speech impediments
memories of being on military operations
a strong obsession about this subject




 Quoting: James 1132938


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Thanks for bump
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just ask your handler...



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1415419



i agree, the first step would be to identify your handler.

probably someone close, not blood related, but you have known them your whole life and trust them. likely affiliated with military, churchs, psychiatry, schools, ect.

try regressive hypnosis. the memories you seek are there, in your mind, but have been shaded from view by years of conditioning and mental trickery. lift the veil. a person trained in deprogramming or reverse hypnotherapy may be able to help you.

identifying trigger words will facilitate this process.

there are stories of POWs who are later rescued from torture camps and they know distinctly that they were a prisoner of war for years, were tortured and beaten ect, but have little or no memory of the people places and experiences, ect.

the mind can destroy or hide a memory for the betterment of the individual. its almost like an evolutionary adaptation, sometimes its a good thing.

do you have any small tattoos or marks that you have had your whole life, dont know where they came from, not birth marks. symbols, tattoos, ect.
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Using a butterfly symbol for yourself.
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+1. Haha.
 Quoting: DirkFunk 1318812


lol

O_O

+2
Animals are beasts but men are monsters...
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just ask your handler...



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1415419



i agree, the first step would be to identify your handler.

probably someone close, not blood related, but you have known them your whole life and trust them. likely affiliated with military, churchs, psychiatry, schools, ect.

try regressive hypnosis. the memories you seek are there, in your mind, but have been shaded from view by years of conditioning and mental trickery. lift the veil. a person trained in deprogramming or reverse hypnotherapy may be able to help you.

identifying trigger words will facilitate this process.

there are stories of POWs who are later rescued from torture camps and they know distinctly that they were a prisoner of war for years, were tortured and beaten ect, but have little or no memory of the people places and experiences, ect.

the mind can destroy or hide a memory for the betterment of the individual. its almost like an evolutionary adaptation, sometimes its a good thing.

do you have any small tattoos or marks that you have had your whole life, dont know where they came from, not birth marks. symbols, tattoos, ect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


The only mark I have on me I've been told is my birthmark. BUT, my mother said if didn't appear until I was 6 months old. Do they usually take that long to show up?
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no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
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06/08/2011 05:47 PM
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no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


Can you go into more detail on that
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if you like this song then you are clean. if you hate it, then you are not. if you think it is ok, it is a maybe.
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if you like this song then you are clean. if you hate it, then you are not. if you think it is ok, it is a maybe.
 Quoting: Blue Eyed Devil


What do you mean by "clean or not"?
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Clean means you have not been programmed, not means you have.
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Oh ok, thanks
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Haven't watched it yet. Going to watch now.
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no it would be a small tattoo, small dots, a uniform mark of any kind, small scars in the shape of lines, circles or dots, not a birth mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


Can you go into more detail on that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420361


kinda like the small round hole in my left front shin? had it since i was a kid.
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