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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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I've often wondered if some people who are diagnosed as being bipolar, actually have DID instead?
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30 years old???


I'm pretty sure MKULTRA was a little before your time....
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30 years old???


I'm pretty sure MKULTRA was a little before your time....
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No... Cathy O Brien's daughter Kelly was born in 1980 she was part of it says so in her book trance formation of America.
Someone mentioned a book with orange butterflies down the side of each page, that book is called 'The illuminati formula to create mind control slaves' by fritz springmeier and cisco wheeler.
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Many of you are aware that these efforts begin at an early age, but I think some would be surprised at WHO is complicit in the selection process, and the actual criteria all involved will be going by.

Yes, they most certainly tend to favor children of academically/intellectually successful parents. As the old saying goes, "the apple never falls too far from the tree." They need something to work with, and this means much more than a blank slate with no parental strings attached. I'm not saying they wouldn't pursue the child of a bus-driving father and a stay-at-home mom should they possess the right characteristics, but the odds will be lesser in their favor, and without a key ingredient to the process. Parents, especially mothers, can actually play a huge role in this nomatter which direction it takes.

In the best case scenario, the mother is aware that her child possesses unique talents, and he/she clearly ahead of the pack in many measurable ways. She will be supplying all the ambition, and lending her maternal credibility in the ways that the "handlers" simply cannot. It will appeal to her vanity when she is told her child is a "genius," or somehow "gifted." Once she is lured in and thinking to herself, "I just knew it! Mine is the best in preschool, smarter than the neighbor's kids, more talented than her sister's children," etc, the next step will be hitting her with a statement to the affect of "yes, your child is indeed the cat's meow...but these matters are delicate, and will need to be developed in a particular way for the child to fully realize their potential." The bill of goods is sold in a way that most mothers find irresistible, and the child soon enters the program.

The first several weeks are an observation period. They are held in an environment that is relaxing and non-threatening to the child...and mother. Inside the building will be all the newest toys, thick and comfortable chairs, bright colors, etc. Some of the nicer buildings have expensive indoor playgrounds and swimming pools. There are also some very curious aspects of the building, and strange changes that will take place in the coming weeks.

In the next step, the child might be placed in the "fun" area with other children. They will no doubt be strangers, never classmates, neighbors, etc. No introductions will be made, and interaction will not be encouraged. They will be kept so busy by their environment/activities that they essentially ignore eachother.

There is no lobby in this building - moms are not meant to sit in a waiting room with a large glass window, occasionally peeking up from a magazine to check on their child. Opportunities for socialization with other parents are entirely eliminated by this, and different arrival times ensure they do not bump into eachother in the parking lot. It is fixed in a way that the mother drops the child off and goes out for coffee, runs errands, whatever...just no watchful eyes once the observation period is over.

The fun gradually ends, the toys disappear, and the people who are watching over the children change. They start out as smiling individuals with good adult to child interaction skills, but change into scientific, doctor types. The games change from fun activities to weird tests. It was mentioned on this thread that hearing tests were performed. Without getting into too much detail regarding this, many of the tests involve being shown projections in a dark room, and "chirp" sounds at varying frequencies and intervals. I think this is probably an activity where they simply observe reactions and body language. What they obtain from this is a mystery to me, because no questions or comments will come from it.

(On a side note, I don't believe the toys in the room are randomly selected. For example, if the child has pre-existing obsession with red Ferraris, they will have those particular toy cars in the room...)

The same projector will later be used to show a video of a car accident, and one of a family in a den that catches on fire. There will be voices dubbed into the projections, talking about things that have nothing at all to do with the situations that are being shown. Again, I don't know what they are looking for here, either, but they are definitely watching.

As I mentioned before, interaction with the other children, when present, is not encouraged. At a later time, though, kids will be paired up in two. In one particular case, it will be one boy, and one girl. The girl might be more advanced in the program, and perhaps even younger. She won't be fazed by any of the activity's challenges. Something tells me that, by this stage, they might even know all of the child's likes and dislikes. For example, if they believe the boy favors girls with blue eyes and straight blond hair, that's who they'll pair him up with. They're not playing matchmaker, or attempting to form a love connection...they just figure out years and years before the boy does that he gets an overly-trusting case of the stupids when dealing with cute blond girls.

I've heard so much about how their efforts at programming are primarily fear-oriented, and I can tell you with confidence that's not the complete story. There are equal (and in some cases, greater) efforts at removing fear of certain things any human being would be instinctively afraid of. One example of this could be placing a child alone in a white room, with a white floor and fully white appointments, and a large black snake. If the goal were to remove fear of snakes, the expectation would be that the child is able to not only maintain their composure, but perhaps pick up the snake and examine it. Conversely, if the experiment is not successful and/or the child is not suitable for the program, the behavior would be in the extreme opposite end of the spectrum. Obviously, this extreme reaction to the presence of a snake is probably not going to raise any red flags, or be considered abnormal by others. Had the stimulus been corduroy-upholstered chairs or stainless steel ceiling fans, it probably would.

To wrap this up, I'll say that this program is not like parks & recreation teeball; not everybody plays, and not everybody sticks around. Most children get cut from the program, and for a variety of reasons, and in different stages. One of this reasons might be the parents start asking too many questions, or decide they want to be involved somehow in the program. They might want answers and explanations to some of the strange behaviors they've seen with their child. It's all rooted in suspicion, though. The children won't be discussing anything but the toys and the innocent games because the other stuff just won't be remembered, or will be remembered in such a way that the mind dismisses, as if they just saw something on TV. They won't take the same mental ownership of the experience like they would under normal circumstances, if that makes sense.

After the child leaves, things may start happening at school and at home that did not previously happen. Disciplinary problems will come out of nowhere - not so much old-fashioned mischief, but a bold distrust in authority and willingness to question and dispute. The teachers at their regular school will treat them differently, even before the behavior has a chance to manifest itself, though. They might even hit the parents with miscellaneous elementary school level psychobabble - "your child has ADD/ADHD" or whatever the learning disability du jour that requires some sort of medication/counseling happens to be. Another outcome could be difficulty interacting with other children, not so much on account of an introverted or anti-social personality, but more a sheer lack of interest.

I suppose the outcomes vary based upon the individual, but I can assure you that whatever participation the child has in these programs is not only life-altering, but will slowly be recounted as the years pass. You will find remembering it mentally taxing, just like the feeling you get when you've lost your carkeys: you know what they look like, you know how they feel in your hands, and you remember using them...but where are they?

I can also say with a very high level of confidence that if YOU were involved in one of these programs, your parents aren't going to be talking about it with you under normal circumstances. Chances are they will either be none the wiser of the program's true intentions, or will be fully aware...and especially reluctant to share information with you.

Is what I just told you about an MK ULTRA or Monarch program? Maybe, maybe not...I'm hoping somebody can help me out with that one. What I DO know is that parents better be HIGHLY cautious and EXTREMELY suspicious when "experts" just want to "spend a little time with their children." To be honest, it worries me even more that these programs might no longer exist. That suggests to me that these evil intentions may no longer be in such isolation.
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If you have PTSD with no reason.

If you have lapses of memory.

Frequent mental fog.

Obsession with certain phrases people say.

Strangers say odd phrases to you for no reason.

Feeling drugged for no reason.

Being followed.

Seeing the same stranger at differnt places several times.

Phone messages with no caller ID.

Phone messages that are gargled and unintelligable.

Knowing some knowledge you were never taught in school and unsure how you know it.

Feeling an instant knowing re other people for no reason.

Waking up feeling drugged rather than rested.

Strangers recommending conferences, books, etc out of the blue for no reason.

Want more?
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Are you being serious? I have everyone of those traits. My jaw hit the floor. Do you have a source about this?
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Cool thread.bump
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Real good chance you were programmed then
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Not necessarily.

My dad was military, his mom was a member of eastern star, and his dad and brother both masons.

But as far as I know, I have no programming and neither does my dad.
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OP,..you will know when you have your first trigger reaction. It's undeniable.
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See this is one thing that confuses me. If a monarch victim has all these alters and I've heard the alters aren't aware of the others, how can the real you know that another personality has surfaced?
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I do believe it is possible bring some if not all the shattered pieces of yourself backtogether. Either through hypnosis or some other method. I don't believe the programming is perfect, some memories fall through the cracks.
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I still need help kids.

Value disabled

I'm even thinking of going back to the cult in Watsonville.
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OP,..you will know when you have your first trigger reaction. It's undeniable.
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See this is one thing that confuses me. If a monarch victim has all these alters and I've heard the alters aren't aware of the others, how can the real you know that another personality has surfaced?
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I do believe it is possible bring some if not all the shattered pieces of yourself backtogether. Either through hypnosis or some other method. I don't believe the programming is perfect, some memories fall through the cracks.
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To edit and clarify, it's the memories belonging to the alter that fall through the cracks.
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it's not normal to have little memory of your childhood? cmon, that stuff fades over time.
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Anyone have a mistery grandfather last name Dodd, or D.O.D. ?
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I've often wondered if some people who are diagnosed as being bipolar, actually have DID instead?
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I think bipolar people, those who are well integrated and resonate with their increased energy, are functioning at a higher state of evolution. They process more energy. Because of this they are very versatile with change, including adaptation to various situations because in order to manage bipolar disorder you learn to live in the moment. In the universal now where all information becomes available to you.

Yes, I am bipolar.
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I've had so many strange things happen to me that I wouldn't know where to begin. Some, well alot of them are actually small, but there are just too many of them to be mere coincidences. Here is one that deal directly with mind control.I've lived in my current apartment for 5 months. A guy on my block who I would see everyday at the store , on his porch, or walking always smiled and waived so one day he was smoking a blunt on his porch and asked me if I wanted to join him so I did. He does harder drugs and so do I. He is super intelligent but he's also very addicted to crack and heroin. He's always getting I to crazy stuff so I rarely hang out with him. He's got dread locks and is very eccentric I guess you might say. His best friend is the oldest grandson of miles Davis. They are both very much into aliens , the Vatican, bohemian grove, 911, ext. Like I said before they are both huge cocaine & heroin users so they couldn't possibly have enough time to do any real researching. When they talk about quantom physics I can't keep up at all. So one night I was describing the picture of Michael Aqcuino in tue book Behold a Pale Horse. So Yohan , not miles Davis 's g.s., says yeah I know who your talking about. He said he used to deliver pizzas to him in a big sky rise across the street from the most important catholic church I'm St.Louis, the Basilica. I can literally see the Basilica and the apartments across from it from my living room window. I asked Yohan how he knew it was the same guy in the book and he said that the dude had a giant penthouse on the top floor and he dressed in all black everytime that he saw him. So he said ge reconized him from some talk show on tv but he didn't say which one. I know that it had to be the Geraldo show that Michael Aquino was on. I also know something that not alot lf people know and that's how I know that Yohan was telling the truth and what I know is that Michael Aquino lived in St.Louis for two years in the mid 90's. Sorry if I bored anyone but I have more if anyone is I treated. There was a thread on GLP about a guy picking up a bomb in a parking garage and the guy is in my family and the parking garage is in the building that the guy lives in and it's a sky rise that you can see from my bedroom window at mt parents house.

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I couldn’t figure out whether the mushroom is the alien or the mushroom is some kind of technological artifact allowing me to hear the alien when the alien is actually light-years away, using some kind of Bell nonlocality principle to communicate. The mushroom states its own position very clearly. It says, ‘I require the nervous system of a mammal. Do you have one handy?’- Terence McKena
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proof of this other than cathy o'brien and "illuminati formula"? i know about mk ultra, but it (officially) never succeeded, at least not to the level so many people are alleging in threads like this
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I do think this place may be for gathering us up. It's the only place I hang out and what I have learned about myself is deep, to say the least.

At this point I want to be wrong about being part of it.
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I do think this place may be for gathering us up. It's the only place I hang out and what I have learned about myself is deep, to say the least.

At this point I want to be wrong about being part of it.
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maybe if someone's a suggestible type, and to go here at all suggests people are, then all these "checklists" can be blown out of proportion by someone... like a hypochondriac looking up diseases on webmd
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it doesn't mean there's nothing to it, it just means it might be a kidney stone instead of stage IV cancer (to continue the hypochondriac metaphor :p)
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I also met a guy in rehab who's parents were in The lumber industry. He was considered weird by most o the people there.was very interesting and very smart. He was an outdoors man and loved to hunt and live in the mountains. He could also see ghosts very well almost everywhere he went. One day he was talking about meeting president clinton at the Colorado airport. As soon as I got some a,one time with him I said, " Danny, what's going on under the Denver airport?!" his reaction was strange to say the least. He started to literally stutter and was noticeably shaken by the question . He totally wasn't expecting it. Over the next two weeks I tried to find out as much as I could but it wasnt hard to tell that he absolutely did nit wanna talk about it. All he ended up saying was that it wasn't the Denver airport he was as but a different one near it. He also said that what's gonna happen can't happen any other way. I asked him how he got involved and he said it had to do with his story he told in rehab about getting busted selling cocaine in costarica.
I couldn’t figure out whether the mushroom is the alien or the mushroom is some kind of technological artifact allowing me to hear the alien when the alien is actually light-years away, using some kind of Bell nonlocality principle to communicate. The mushroom states its own position very clearly. It says, ‘I require the nervous system of a mammal. Do you have one handy?’- Terence McKena
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I also met a guy in rehab who's parents were in The lumber industry. He was considered weird by most o the people there.was very interesting and very smart. He was an outdoors man and loved to hunt and live in the mountains. He could also see ghosts very well almost everywhere he went. One day he was talking about meeting president clinton at the Colorado airport. As soon as I got some a,one time with him I said, " Danny, what's going on under the Denver airport?!" his reaction was strange to say the least. He started to literally stutter and was noticeably shaken by the question . He totally wasn't expecting it. Over the next two weeks I tried to find out as much as I could but it wasnt hard to tell that he absolutely did nit wanna talk about it. All he ended up saying was that it wasn't the Denver airport he was as but a different one near it. He also said that what's gonna happen can't happen any other way. I asked him how he got involved and he said it had to do with his story he told in rehab about getting busted selling cocaine in costarica.
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k that's weird
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proof of this other than cathy o'brien and "illuminati formula"? i know about mk ultra, but it (officially) never succeeded, at least not to the level so many people are alleging in threads like this
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I think the parents fucked everything up, they want to see money from their children and when the value disablement took full hold they went for the heaveyest puneshments they could come up with.
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we are all victims because we live in a unity - we all suffer the "sins" of each other - none of us are free until we are all free - love, light, unity, freedom, God, immortality - it's up to each of us individually to change and grow - that is the ONLY solution
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proof of this other than cathy o'brien and "illuminati formula"? i know about mk ultra, but it (officially) never succeeded, at least not to the level so many people are alleging in threads like this
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I think the parents fucked everything up, they want to see money from their children and when the value disablement took full hold they went for the heaveyest puneshments they could come up with.
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Rehabs, some are pretty heavey, cult like and they wont turn you away if your not on drugs.
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proof of this other than cathy o'brien and "illuminati formula"? i know about mk ultra, but it (officially) never succeeded, at least not to the level so many people are alleging in threads like this
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Congressional hearings, two or three sets. I believe some of the MKULTRA stuff is included with the Atomic Energy Commission's human experimentation. Also declassified documents from the agency itself... they burned most of them, but they missed a few. There is also some information in Canada (it's online, of course... look up Dr. Ewan Cameron/Dr. White). MKULTRA is much more than Monarch which is what Cathy O'Brien and Sue Ford/Brice Taylor wrote about. Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler are not exclusively writing about Monarch. This was already going on and Monarch appears to study those methods, but the agency already had hypnocouriers (see Candy Jones). You can find the congressional hearings on YouTube.

There is an MKULTRA II that is listed with the MKULTRA subprojects. So, they continued working. They took what they learned and continued. There is some indication that they are using something other than trauma-based mind control (basically the Illumanati Formula). They took the subprojects (and there is a very long list of different types of programs including the LSD experiments) and developed what to do next. The reason we know as much as we do is probably because they have corrected the flaws that made the programming unstable and/or required constant handling.

Cisco kind of indicates a lot of people were somewhat prepared. For example, many kids were hypnotized. This was by her family which included one of the programmers Dr. Leo Wheeler/Dr. Black. Just being hypnotized once, ONLY that makes it easier for a person to be put into a trance (or partial) state. This makes the person more susceptible to taking messages in without giving the sniff test to see if the information is good. Like all of the people who are influence by TV. (This is my logical conclusion.)

So, I wonder if there are people without abuse, without a story like Cathy or Cisco or Sue, who have a little bit of programming. There is some indication that a few basic things can be put in within a couple of days. There, ready and waiting. I also think they may have sought more stable candidates (unabused children with decent parents)... so, there was an effort to I.D. potentials. I think many people were selected as potentials, then before long rejected for whatever reason. (Just me thinking about why people might have the symptoms and a few weird memories, but really don't think they are being run by anyone... it's because they aren't.)
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I do think this place may be for gathering us up. It's the only place I hang out and what I have learned about myself is deep, to say the least.

At this point I want to be wrong about being part of it.
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maybe if someone's a suggestible type, and to go here at all suggests people are, then all these "checklists" can be blown out of proportion by someone... like a hypochondriac looking up diseases on webmd
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Be conservative in your thoughts (I don't mean politically). Don't get hypnotized to find the memories.
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Real good chance you were programmed then
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Not necessarily.

My dad was military, his mom was a member of eastern star, and his dad and brother both masons.

But as far as I know, I have no programming and neither does my dad.
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Your screen name is the same name as one of Brice Taylor's (Sue Ford) books. I am not saying you are programmed. But, I haven't read the book (I have read her book, Thanks for the Memories). I wonder if there is some reason you and she are drawn to that name. She is from California. I wonder if that has anything to do with it looking at your avi picture.
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Here is a trauma many children experience: divorced parents. So, instead of two parents, there is sometimes just one which requires strangers to be brought in to watch the kid. It is not up there with ritual abuse, but maybe extreme and ridiculous trauma isn't actually needed. I actually don't have divorced parents, but I think divorce hurt a lot of kids in childhood.

My mother died, so that is my trauma. I have recovered some memories. They aren't of abuse. They are of being so lonely and sad.

I am not saying this therefore means I am programmed. No! I am saying this may be why I can click off some stuff on these checklists.
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Be conservative in your thoughts (I don't mean politically). Don't get hypnotized to find the memories.
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Why ?
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Anybody remember a secret room with a stairwell in elementary school? Or getting taken out of class by strangers with a weird magical association tied to it?

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