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HOW CAN A PERSON KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER A VICTIM OF MKULTRA OR MONARCH PROGRAMMING?

 
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i had a weird incident of missing time, have never had great recall of my childhood, or my past in general, and often feel extremely anxious when reading threads like this. doesn't mean there's any sort of programming, means i'm conflating vague ideas with this conspiracy theory because i'm biased towards these ideas by even coming to this website.
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Anybody remember a secret room with a stairwell in elementary school? Or getting taken out of class by strangers with a weird magical association tied to it?
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Yes I do but everyone in the project vanished. Everyone in my squad remembers little to nothing. The entire school teacher system acted like robots until the master left. They did not harm us. They mostly just played a lot of games then left. We were shown a lot of slides. They picked out jobs for us. They tested our hearing. They took our finger prints. They took blood samples. If you asked questions you were told to talk to the hand. I had paperwork on the project and files. ALL of it vanished save the star map I held. THEN my mother threw it away!!! Far out!

Yeay man, I am talking 4th density.
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Your advatar says it all, OP.
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all i see is an American flag and AC,
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Be conservative in your thoughts (I don't mean politically). Don't get hypnotized to find the memories.
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Why ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473156


The first thing so as not let your imagination run away with you. I can tell a lot of people in this thread have not looked into this much yet.

The second thing is if you have more going on than you know about, problems might arise. If you know what is going on and are working with someone very qualified in handling what may happen, then maybe hypnotism might be o.k.

When I was in college, my professors specifically warned against playing with hypnotism. They were very adamant.

From what i have read... IF you are programmed, they will have left various things to keep people out of your head. And some victims report having a lot of work undone by the system because they have an unknown reporting alter.

So, it just seems logical to be careful.
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i had a weird incident of missing time, have never had great recall of my childhood, or my past in general, and often feel extremely anxious when reading threads like this. doesn't mean there's any sort of programming, means i'm conflating vague ideas with this conspiracy theory because i'm biased towards these ideas by even coming to this website.
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To me, it sounds like something about those stories are in some way similar to that memory. That doesn't mean you went through exactly what they did, you're right. Pull their stories apart and try to see what specifically is making you nervous. It could be you were in a similar place that they describe. It could be a lot of things... but, I have recovered memories that weren't like what they were describing in a similar way. They are kind of boring, but they don't bother me any more.
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i had a weird incident of missing time, have never had great recall of my childhood, or my past in general, and often feel extremely anxious when reading threads like this. doesn't mean there's any sort of programming, means i'm conflating vague ideas with this conspiracy theory because i'm biased towards these ideas by even coming to this website.
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To me, it sounds like something about those stories are in some way similar to that memory. That doesn't mean you went through exactly what they did, you're right. Pull their stories apart and try to see what specifically is making you nervous. It could be you were in a similar place that they describe. It could be a lot of things... but, I have recovered memories that weren't like what they were describing in a similar way. They are kind of boring, but they don't bother me any more.
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Oh, p.s. ... I am not programmed. I have little in common with people who are except memory loss and stress. Kids tend to repress things. That is what you have in common with them and it may be no more than that. Think of know events... did anyone close to you die? Did your parents divorce? Did you move? Etc.
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The first thing so as not let your imagination run away with you. I can tell a lot of people in this thread have not looked into this much yet.

The second thing is if you have more going on than you know about, problems might arise. If you know what is going on and are working with someone very qualified in handling what may happen, then maybe hypnotism might be o.k.

When I was in college, my professors specifically warned against playing with hypnotism. They were very adamant.

From what i have read... IF you are programmed, they will have left various things to keep people out of your head. And some victims report having a lot of work undone by the system because they have an unknown reporting alter.

So, it just seems logical to be careful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473362


Logical.

The issue came about because I do not belive in hypnotism at all or lost/supressed memories, then it hit me. I had someone tell me it's time to do it and there seems to be some awake people around me.

I ask myself in every thought "am I being honest with myself ?" and is this realy real.
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Real good chance you were programmed then
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Not necessarily.

My dad was military, his mom was a member of eastern star, and his dad and brother both masons.

But as far as I know, I have no programming and neither does my dad.
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Your screen name is the same name as one of Brice Taylor's (Sue Ford) books. I am not saying you are programmed. But, I haven't read the book (I have read her book, Thanks for the Memories). I wonder if there is some reason you and she are drawn to that name. She is from California. I wonder if that has anything to do with it looking at your avi picture.
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That is weird, but purely coincidence I'm sure. I just chose the first screen name that popped into my head.
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The first thing so as not let your imagination run away with you. I can tell a lot of people in this thread have not looked into this much yet.

The second thing is if you have more going on than you know about, problems might arise. If you know what is going on and are working with someone very qualified in handling what may happen, then maybe hypnotism might be o.k.

When I was in college, my professors specifically warned against playing with hypnotism. They were very adamant.

From what i have read... IF you are programmed, they will have left various things to keep people out of your head. And some victims report having a lot of work undone by the system because they have an unknown reporting alter.

So, it just seems logical to be careful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473362


Logical.

The issue came about because I do not belive in hypnotism at all or lost/supressed memories, then it hit me. I had someone tell me it's time to do it and there seems to be some awake people around me.

I ask myself in every thought "am I being honest with myself ?" and is this realy real.
 Quoting: chasingbutterflys 1160420


Well, another thing is that in a trance you are very suggestible.

I think people can fail remember stuff... haven't you ever been talking to someone and they ask if you remember an event. At first you can't, but then they mention something you do remember and the whole event comes back? I don't know exactly what people are getting with hypnosis that is different from that. I have avoided hypnosis.

I have just spontaneously remembered things. When they come back, emotions are fresh. These are kind of normal memories even.. so I wouldn't want them all at once.
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op
been haunted all my life, repeative dreams, wierd sensations etc. family refuse to talk about it. good luck.
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Well, another thing is that in a trance you are very suggestible.

I think people can fail remember stuff... haven't you ever been talking to someone and they ask if you remember an event. At first you can't, but then they mention something you do remember and the whole event comes back? I don't know exactly what people are getting with hypnosis that is different from that. I have avoided hypnosis.

I have just spontaneously remembered things. When they come back, emotions are fresh. These are kind of normal memories even.. so I wouldn't want them all at once.
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Do the think the trama was from what was seen or the methods used to get to that place.
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Well, another thing is that in a trance you are very suggestible.

I think people can fail remember stuff... haven't you ever been talking to someone and they ask if you remember an event. At first you can't, but then they mention something you do remember and the whole event comes back? I don't know exactly what people are getting with hypnosis that is different from that. I have avoided hypnosis.

I have just spontaneously remembered things. When they come back, emotions are fresh. These are kind of normal memories even.. so I wouldn't want them all at once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473362


Do the think the trama was from what was seen or the methods used to get to that place.
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The trauma is my mother died after a long illness. But, I did see some unusual things. Mostly, this was being a kid dragged along in an adult world rather than anything deliberately done to me. The victims' stories helped me figure out more about how memory works. For example, sometimes you might put together similar memories when they might be events from years apart. That's what I mean about really pulling their stories apart... I knew I didn't have even close to the same story, but to program them people had to understand the brain. Also, they were alone a lot and so was I.
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i had a weird incident of missing time, have never had great recall of my childhood, or my past in general, and often feel extremely anxious when reading threads like this. doesn't mean there's any sort of programming, means i'm conflating vague ideas with this conspiracy theory because i'm biased towards these ideas by even coming to this website.
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To me, it sounds like something about those stories are in some way similar to that memory. That doesn't mean you went through exactly what they did, you're right. Pull their stories apart and try to see what specifically is making you nervous. It could be you were in a similar place that they describe. It could be a lot of things... but, I have recovered memories that weren't like what they were describing in a similar way. They are kind of boring, but they don't bother me any more.
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thanks that's a good suggestion :)
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if you like this song then you are clean. if you hate it, then you are not. if you think it is ok, it is a maybe.
 Quoting: Blue Eyed Devil


Really do not like this song ... but love the SCARECROW song from OZ ... and "Over the Rainbow" (by Judy Garland) makes me cry and think of suicide (think of, not want to do it) - ever since I was a young kid ...

Just escaped from Puerto Rico this last July 2011 where a former Lt.Col. in Army Intelligence with CIA connections informed us (we are MPD - multiple personality) that we were part of some "MKULTRA" project - and that the project was still 'ongoing' - and they were going to make ME a "General" for a war in "their" Army ... accelerated training and all that.

Go figure.

If you want to read more, try here: [link to jeffssong.wordpress.com]

We are many and we are one ...
we are MKULTRA
(that's what 'they' are saying) ... but we believe that these people were just some 'hangers on', meaning some private folks (about 125 in a community) who are continuing the MKULTRA type of training ... and we were a victim once again.
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Try growing up next to Montauk point
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Try growing up next to Montauk point
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Is that near Plum Island?
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If you go try and kill a rep from Arizona you are most likely MK'd
I can explain shit to you all day but, I can't understand it for ya!!!!
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And now a few words from your program sponser:

Wouldn't the healthier question to ask be: "how does a person deprogram from mk and/or monarch programming"?

There are many people who are programmed who are NOT mk or monarch programmed. Also, having a parent in the military or in the masons is NOT an immediate indicator of being programmed. Some are chosen because of their genetics. REMEMBER - genetic experiments, aryans and all the other hoopla. A pure genetic race is easier to program.

Most, if not all programs, have anti sabotage and self destruct elements installed within them.

Zakks page and writings are indeed typical of a programed person and like many of the others who have written their experiences here, as well as the title of this thread see themselves as victims, powerless victims.

As a victim, the perosn is more concerned with the wound ie psychological hurt, weird event and processing and reprocessing the unknown. This serves a couple of different functions. The first keeps the victim from being healthy enough to have a healthy life that is true to what THEY desire, the other is to keep the program running.

Your dreams and the imagery from your meditations allow the easiest window into the workings of your mind. You can infact find that you will be comminicating with other beings I suppose such as Zakk does, but not being able to keep them out should be a clear message to yourself that you are not strengthening your own energetic abilities. Why is this important? Because programming is not only done physically, but also inter dimensionally - ie the dream state, or corrupted dream state. Some programmed people wrongfully blame their parents for sexually abusing them when it was done astrally or else programmers made a personal visit, in any case the memory is corrupted.

Undo your programming slowly and remain grounded and energetically pure...meaning move your energy, absorb positive earth energetics and understand symbolism.
Try not to let the imagery or memories scare you, resolve them rebalance, ground and move forward slowly and harm no person or yourself.

I now return you to your ... oh, sorry that program is now

CANCELLED CANCELLED CANCELLED


Does this provide some of the clarity you need right now?
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OP,..you will know when you have your first trigger reaction. It's undeniable.
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See this is one thing that confuses me. If a monarch victim has all these alters and I've heard the alters aren't aware of the others, how can the real you know that another personality has surfaced?
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I do believe it is possible bring some if not all the shattered pieces of yourself backtogether. Either through hypnosis or some other method. I don't believe the programming is perfect, some memories fall through the cracks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447098


To edit and clarify, it's the memories belonging to the alter that fall through the cracks.
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You are oversimplifying here. The real you is to a large part what is presented to the public. The Monarch programming or whatever your program is at the moment overlays your public persona. Other enhanced aspects of the program come forward when they are activated by a trigger word, sound or code. When a person hasn't done any deprogramming at all they just do things automatically wondering why?? Others will slip into another personality alltogether and not remember commiting a crime.

So as an example, if you have a program function/alter to drink alot, as you begin to slowly build up your own energy you may still be in a bar environment, but not consume alcohol anymore.

Memories coming through in dreams or in waking state mean that the program is begining to fail. Use this grace card to continue deconstructing it if you wish or wait for your internal programmer to rebuild a new one, if necessary.

No matter what love yourself and others, try to forgive and keep evolving.
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What if you have no evidence of such, but there have been strange things happen your entire life?

What about memories that you are not sure if they actually happened or you just dreamed them?

And how would a 30 something yr old adult, know if they were ever abused as a child, but most likely not by parents?

I have many many questions, and absolutely no answers!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416403


Waking up Tired.

People around you behave strange, even your family.

Believing in things you think are not normal but nevertheless doing them.

Having dream where you float or can fly ( alien abduction )

Waking up and little of your teeth ridge missing ( alien sample )

Felling something is not right.

Meeting strange people with hypnotizing eyes.

This people telling you strange words.

People or your family, repeating you words about you that are not true.

Supernatural things happening around you.

Thinking it is some day of the week but it is one day more, and you can not remember what you have done on the missing day.

If somebody or something is bringing you mental down, even if it looks like you have some troubles, it is all staged.

Stay away from repeating something again and again, stay away from people who do something like that.

Games have sounds or events repeating again and again.

If people want to know 24/7 about where are you, and can not go somewhere without somebody knowing where you are.

If somebody causing you fear.

If somebody is accusing you about something again and again.

If somebody is making some kind of mental terror.

If you do not have normal life, like other people around.

Lost time even for short time, not remembering anything.

Feelings that aliens are real.

Thinking you remember you was with aliens, but can not remember for sure.

Knowing something you never have seen or done or learned.

People around being slow motion, and you getting angry to have to repeat everything again.

When you speak expecting that people understand what you want to say even when you do not speak the sentence to end.

Mostly it is about convincing you about something, with mental terror, fear, accusation and repeating. It can lead to emotional numbness.

But it depends what kind of brainwashing you are under. There can be humans brainwashing you or aliens. To detect humans it should be more easy. You have to know your self and observe everything around you and never hurry with anything. Do not let anybody decide for you what to do where to go what to believe etc.
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Do not let anybody decide for you what to do where to go what to believe etc."

That is only a small part of the issue. Programmed people are not able to sort out what is truly their own personality versus what is input. Once they are able to figure out what are false personality presentations, they then must figure out how to undo them without having a suicide function activate as referenced in the above posters wizard of oz program.

Often times deprograming causes the person to leave relationships, etc. MKultra people will mostly be in their 40's and up in age. Monarchs will be any age and as stated in previous postings will have an affinity for butterflies, glittery things
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They will probably be posting here:-)
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I took me 6 years to work out that I was on a Gang Stalking list.

Then 2 days ago I found out what Gang Stalking really is by coming across a pdf book on the internet entitled 'Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula." This is all about monarch programming and others that they use.

[link to www.whale.to] It's the first link on the list.

So this is how I know but it took me 2 years of further research to work out who exactly is behind what happened to me.
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I took me 6 years to work out that I was on a Gang Stalking list.

Then 2 days ago I found out what Gang Stalking really is by coming across a pdf book on the internet entitled 'Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula." This is all about monarch programming and others that they use.

[link to www.whale.to] It's the first link on the list.

So this is how I know but it took me 2 years of further research to work out who exactly is behind what happened to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527041


Your link didn't work......Object not found!

Here it is.

[link to www.whale.to]

Yes, very deep research is required to find out why some of us are stalked.
Hopefully, many will spend time reading to understand what we are really dealing with and how to break free.

More here:
[link to www.whale.to]
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Are we all suppose to go to California ?
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Why?
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30 years old???


I'm pretty sure MKULTRA was a little before your time....
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This type of programming is still being used. Added to this there are lots of different types of mind control used now. I know i am a gang stalking victim and this has been done to me.

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