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*** Cold fusion patent requires self-destruct! ***

 
Anonymous Coward
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Adrea Rossi's thing is bsflag I wish it were real but all the scammer wants is money and he has proven nothing to do with it.
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This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Self-destruct mechanism hahaha

bsflag
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If he can't patent then he needs a way to protect the technology. I can't blame him and I want one bad!
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This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Self-destruct mechanism hahaha

bsflag
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If he can't patent then he needs a way to protect the technology. I can't blame him and I want one bad!
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[link to newenergytimes.com]
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a patent should not require a self-destruct if it is not required to document an innovative idea. This takes away from the entire idea of a patent! This is completely stupid.
^^ gravity is a harsh reality. ^^
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Seen more of this than I care to count...

[link to www.google.com]

There are no scientific details whatsoever (nickel & hydrogen : oh yeah that's a good bone to throw !), meaning the process is either incredibly simple or a complete fraud.

If the wossname guy who gave brainbirth to the stuff was a real scientist, he'd knew better. He'd either say "Sorry, it's really too simple to make it yourself", "I don't even understand the theory behind it yet, I got lucky !" or throw its nerdy peers a convincing theorical bone.

Imagine it be a way simpler invention, the laser. There are lots of theory to give away in order to make the scientific community to believe in your invention without giving away the practical implementation.

You know what they say : in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is.

WE DO NOT FORGET

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(fun story on the other side of the coin : [link to www.surrealscoop.com]

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Down with the patent system !
Free knowledge !

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Seen more of this than I care to count...

[link to www.google.com]

There are no scientific details whatsoever (nickel & hydrogen : oh yeah that's a good bone to throw ! >.< ), meaning the process is either incredibly simple or a complete fraud.

If the wossname guy who gave brainbirth to the stuff was a real scientist, he'd knew better. He'd either say "Sorry, it's really too simple to make it yourself", "I don't even understand the theory behind it yet, I got lucky !" or throw its nerdy peers a convincing theorical bone.

Imagine it be a way simpler invention, the laser. There are lots of theory to give away in order to make the scientific community to believe in your invention without giving away the practical implementation.

You know what they say : in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is.

WE DO NOT FORGET

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(fun story on the other side of the coin : [link to www.surrealscoop.com]

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Down with the patent system !
Free knowledge !

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It already received a patent in Italy...

[link to www.nyteknik.se]
E-cat patents

* Italian patent application MI2008A000629, filed on April 9, 2008.

Italian Patent No. 1387256 granted on April 6, 2011, expiring on April 9, 2028.

* International patent application (except the U.S.) under the PCT procedure: PCT/IT2008/000532, filed on August 4, 2008.

PCT: International Search Report, October 9, 2010.

PCT: International Preliminary Report on Patentability, October 9, 2010.

* U.S. patent application US2011/0005506 A1, filed on August 4, 2009.

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Patent claims in the granted Italian patent (according to Rossi). The claims are the same as in International Preliminary Report on Patentability:

1. A method for carrying out an exothermal reaction of nickel and hydrogen, characterized in that said method comprises the steps of providing a metal tube, introducing onto said metal tube a nanometric particle nickel powder and injecting into said metal tube a hydrogen gas having a temperature much greater than 150°C and a pressure much greater than 2 bars.

2. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said hydrogen temperature varies in a range from 150°C to 500°C.

3. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said nickel powder is a nickel isotope powder.

4. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said hydrogen is injected into said tube under pulsating pressure.

5. A method according to claims 1 and 2, characterized in that said hydrogen temperature is a variable temperature which varies in said range from 150°C to 500°C.

6. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said metal tube is a copper metal tube.

7. A modular apparatus for providing a exothermal reaction by carrying out a method according to claim 1 , characterized in that said apparatus comprises a metal tube (2) including a nanometric particle nickel powder (3) and a high temperature and pressure hydrogen gas.

8. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that in said method catalyze materials are used.

9. An apparatus method according to claim 7, characterized in that in said nickel powder filled metal tube (2) is a copper tube, said copper tube further including at least a heating electrical resistance, said tube being encompassed by a jacket (7) including either water or boron or only boron, said jacket (7) being encompassed by further lead jacket (8) in turn optionally encompassed by a steel layer (9), said jackets (7, 8) being adapted to prevent radiations emitted from said copper tube (2) from exiting said copper tube (2), thereby also transforming said radiations into thermal energy.

10. An apparatus according to claim 1, characterized in that in said apparatus comprises, encompassing said nickel powder, hydrogen and electric resistance (101) containing copper tube (100) a first steel-boron armored construction (102) encompassed by a second lead armored construction (103) for protecting said copper tube (100), a hydrogen bottle connection assembly (106) and a hydrogen bottle (107), said apparatus further comprising, outside of said lead armored construction (103), a cooling water steel outer pipe assembly (105).

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^^ gravity is a harsh reality. ^^
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Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability
[link to pesn.com]

Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit.

(more at link)
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Show me on the US Patent offices website where they've said anything at all about this bsflag This guy is a proven scammer and thief. You are a retard for posting this bs again.
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This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Self-destruct mechanism hahaha

bsflag
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If he can't patent then he needs a way to protect the technology. I can't blame him and I want one bad!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 786686


bsflag free energy = FREE what part about "free" do you not get?
He is just a money pig peddling a contraption.
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There are no scientific details whatsoever
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He wants your money BEFORE he tells you about his magic monkey box
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Does this system produce any radioactivity?

Yes, but it is all contained inside of the reactor vessel which is shielded by two centimeters of lead.

lmao As if the patent office is going to issue a patent for a mini nuclear bomb
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this reminds me of the gmo seeds which dont produce seed the following year...its a control issue.
definitely
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Smells like old-style politics... you know, the type we don't need any more of
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so basically they couldnt prove it worked, and so to not come out and say ' we've scammed you all ' they're saying they cannot patent the product?
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Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability
[link to pesn.com]

Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit.

(more at link)
 Quoting: Comedian



Maybe we should do that with all the info he has gained over the years... where did he get his knowledge from where did he get his education from... all he has to do is not let the asians or africans get hold of it, then he is assured of protection.. INFORMATION SHOULD BE SHARED.. only stupid people hide knowledge from our future children!



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attach a bankster to it, destruction ASSURED.
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lmao
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Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability
[link to pesn.com]

Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit.

(more at link)
 Quoting: Comedian


That's just stupid...and smells like smoke screen because the product doesn't really exist.


Patents or not....the Chinese, and other dubious technology stealing countries, would "borrow" something so revolutionary anyway....so the whole patent thing is a crock of crap.


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Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability
[link to pesn.com]

Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit.

(more at link)
 Quoting: Comedian


Show me on the US Patent offices website where they've said anything at all about this bsflag This guy is a proven scammer and thief. You are a retard for posting this bs again.
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That's a lie, you crawling shill.
Rossi is being vidicated every day.

Now, off you go, out of my thread.

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Self destruct? .. WTF is this "comic book world?" .. fro fucing petes sake, it is NOT a requirement for a patent.. in fact the way it works nowadays, taking a shit in a specific manner could be patented (thats how easy it is to get one)..

Problem is, that Oil companies (i.e. political and DOD) cannot control this technology, they know it, so they strong arm the inventor into designing a self destruct? .. give me a fucing break..

If the inventor bends to their will, the he is as much a problem, as the oil companies.. give the damn thing away! (you numbnuts), it's the only way to insure that it "WILL" get to market..

Too many greedy SOB's IMO...
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god i hate people
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Gawd almighty.

We're pinned.

Thanks Mods. This is important.
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hope he can get something sorted out.
What I find fantastic is any notion that there are answers beyond the realm of science. The answers are there. You just have to know where to look.

We're all gonna die. The only question is when & how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your knees... begging?! I ain't much for begging! Nobody ever gave me nothing!
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Well, why would they need a self destruct? So they can still be in charge.

Power over unity was never grated a patient either. The government are all buttmunchers..
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Why can't they just let people have it and use it?

Why make people pay for expensive state-run electricity?

That makes them more broke

Broke = angry

Angry = desperate

Desperate = unpredictable

Unpredictable = uncontrollable

Uncontrollable = revolution.

It's funny how all greedy and corrupt regimes inadvertently make their own Grim Reapers.

Let them keep charging us. This result is inevitable.
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The nickel is in a powdered form mixed with catalysts. During operation, a small quantity is converted to copper. The spent fuel can be reprocessed to recover the catalysts, unconverted nickel and copper. Fusion reactions produce enormous quantities of energy while very tiny quantities of matter are actually consumed.

From the FAQ at peswiki.com

"How much fuel does the Energy Catalyzer consume?"

"Very little. One hundred grams of nickel powder will power the device for six months. However, since only a small amount of that nickel will have reacted with the hydrogen 90% of the nickel will remain. It can be extracted, re-processed, and re-used as fuel."


[link to peswiki.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419448


Not calling BS just yet, but I would like to explore the notion of converting nickel to copper. How do you do that? And if you can do convert nickel to copper, then why not lead to gold? Or copper to gold? Smells of alchemy to me...
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The Patent Office has no business interfering with intellectual property or design.. they're a registry Office (nothing more nothing less).

This is strong arm control tactics.. probably designed to give the government control over the destruct mechanisms.

Meaning it wouldn't be allowed to be "too efficient.." & way too expensive to threaten the likes of the energy industry.
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This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Self-destruct mechanism hahaha

bsflag
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i think you dont get it
loads of products already have these...
its there so you can use a piece of hardware for more then 2 years.

only in communist countrys do they have cars that hardly break down... in our society stuff has to break down.. its good for the economy.
ask your laptop or cellphone manifacturer...

het in eastern germany we had cars that you could crash against anything. no bumbs or anything.

now even bumpers are made of fine alloy stuff and coated in paint.. so even if its a bumper.. you will have to buy a new one.. and have it painted...

thats not what bumpers used to be made for...
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The nickel is in a powdered form mixed with catalysts. During operation, a small quantity is converted to copper. The spent fuel can be reprocessed to recover the catalysts, unconverted nickel and copper. Fusion reactions produce enormous quantities of energy while very tiny quantities of matter are actually consumed.

From the FAQ at peswiki.com

"How much fuel does the Energy Catalyzer consume?"

"Very little. One hundred grams of nickel powder will power the device for six months. However, since only a small amount of that nickel will have reacted with the hydrogen 90% of the nickel will remain. It can be extracted, re-processed, and re-used as fuel."


[link to peswiki.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419448


Not calling BS just yet, but I would like to explore the notion of converting nickel to copper. How do you do that? And if you can do convert nickel to copper, then why not lead to gold? Or copper to gold? Smells of alchemy to me...
 Quoting: 21SchizoidMan


And you are what, the Worlds Self Appointed FUCKTARD against "alchemy".

Get a life.
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The Patent Office has no business interfering with intellectual property or design.. they're a registry Office (nothing more nothing less).

This is strong arm control tactics.. probably designed to give the government control over the destruct mechanisms.

Meaning it wouldn't be allowed to be "too efficient.." & way too expensive to threaten the likes of the energy industry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1321501


If other countries have granted a full patent then why not the USA? Sounds like the Govt does not want this patented here.

If no other country had granted a patent then I would call BS, but the more I look at this the more it seems our great 'green' POTUS does not want this to receive a USA patent.

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bullshit.

accept no less than zero point energy.
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give it to the world for free and ask for donations ... make more money and be a world hero !!!