Why do we pay to live?

You died already when you started to join this system, you became the system. The dead walk's already, now it is materializing in form and shape what you have choosen and became.

"It was always like that", "we must" is a subset of those mass products who fear the end of the system because mass product's souls can't be saved, they have no soul at all...

lol The stupid spout award for you.......... Again. You have no idea what a perfect society is. You really don't. I can tell you don't work, if you did, you would know that factories are devoid of people these days. What do you do? Lawn care? Sorry, that's not where the jobs are or ever were. We have always had jobs focused in the area of production... Now that you are not needed, those jobs are gone.

So, genius, where are all the Jobs? And don't go bitching at me, I work in production... Running one of the many machines that replaced the people you claim are lazy. I think you're just a troll. You zero insight and you ramble on like some retarded republican. They claim the jobs are out there too.... But yet, they can't seem to tell you where.

There are 6 billion people on the planet.. If you had all the jobs, they would not. And even if you had all the jobs, you would still be short. There simply are not enough functions to be performed any more.

You can't provide for your self, it isn't legal to step outside the system.

[link to list.communitygarden.org]

You can't farm unless you are part of big aggro.

[link to vermontfoodsovereignty.net]

You can't make anything, because you have to have the permits and yadda yadda.

So, fill us in, Mr.Perfect society guy. I think you're just full of hot air and not much else.

I understand. Software engineering was "the wave of the future". Unfortunately there are 250,000,000 Indian & Asian software engineers that will work harder and cheaper. Many companies are reluctant to add new employees until they see what happens with the economy.

If you aren't working, find a local tradesman (carpenter, mason, plumber, electrician) and offer to help without charge to learn the trade. Do this until a job comes through.

If you are working, get a couple of books and learn what you can about a trade that you might be able to apply. My dad raised me on the concept that the more skills you have, the better the chance that you will eat.

Good Luck

Link?

If everything was free and you did not earn your way, then you would take it for granted and would not value life in the same way..... Easy come, easy go! If the elite wanted to kill most efficiently, they would a) make the world a no cost zone or b)make the world more and more dependent on debt(money not earned, it was created for free).

Hey, deaf ass, you need to learn to finish words and sentences before you post on here anymore! God you were bad when you were 42 or some number but now you just really need to learn how to spell and use grammer. You won't find anyone feeling sorry for you here. Asshat!

Stop paying all bills except those necessary (Power, Water, sewage, Food, Gasoline, etc...)

ah another person wakes up to the reality of money

I think stupid is a great explanation

They say it can't be won
The way the game is run
But if you choose to stay
You end up playing anyway

You have a very limited understanding of the controlled capitalist system and its included unemployment practices my friend. Your ignorance in branding the unemployed as lazy is a joke…and the typical media induced work ethic diatribe and brainwashing bull. There are many good honest hardworking people on this planet unemployed ( which has stayed about 20% of the pop for decades) , many of whom volunteer and work for free or below any liveable wage. Calling these people lazy is a joke, not that you are even capable of seeing the real world or getting past your own social work ethic dogmas.

LOL, what the hell are you talking about?

You missed my point...I was stating that the idea of money as a medium of exchange is the only good way to ensure people contribute to society instead of only take from it...Many advance alien species don't use money because they have a common desire to help each other, but humans do not...therefore we must have money to exchange for goods and services...how do you get money? By working and providing something someone else needs...

You missed my point...I was stating that the idea of money as a medium of exchange is the only good way to ensure people contribute to society instead of only take from it...Many advance alien species don't use money because they have a common desire to help each other, but humans do not...therefore we must have money to exchange for goods and services...how do you get money? By working and providing something someone else needs...

You have to pay to die too. if you dont your family has to pay for your death

Do you work for free?

If you don't then why would you expect others to work for you for free?

Actually that isn't true...you can simply not claim the body and the state will cremate the body at tax payer expense...

Go to hell tards at least i can communicate in more language you will ever be capable of!

Typical reaction of a pea brain hillbilly's

Sorry for your troubles OP. I've been asking that same question for many years and everyone I spoke to regarding this thought I was nuts.

Humanity is on the wrong path and it didn't have to be this way :(

I few years ago on another internet forum, a book was recommended to me and so I will recommend the same to you. I think you may find it helpful.

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn

here is a link where you can read the book

[link to www.scribd.com]

and here is a link to read My Ishmael, another of his books

[link to www.scribd.com]

thats right~

they won't let you lay in the ditch long~

Hi OP
It seems that you've identify one of the problem and you said it's stupid, but do you have an alternative or what to do instead?
I'm looking forward to your answer

Now, if you want to just play the same game like those sick people you can study something like Investment banking.

Good question !

OP, is it possible for you to grow any food? If you have any "dirt" at all (lawn, flowerbed, etc.) try to grow a few simple plants. Even if you don't have any land at all, you can still grow sprouts indoors.

This may sound silly, but it would take just a little of the burden off feeding your kids, would take you a tiny step closer to being "off the grid", would give you something to do while waiting for work to come, you would learn an important skill, and if you had enough area you could grow enough surplus to sell on the side (if that is even legal in your country).

Someone mentioned property tax. I agree, it's a ridiculous and evil concept. If an individual works for something, pays it off, and it is "his", he should not be required to continue to pay fees to own it. Since this is the case, we really never own anything, we are renting it from our various levels of government. Government actually owns all we have, and we are slaves to them.

What happens if you refuse to participate in their system and do not pay taxes? They will attempt to force you to do so. They will come to your home, seize it, or seize you. What happens if you refuse to submit? You will die. They will kill you if you refuse to comply.

If I walked up to you on the street and demanded $2000 and tried to forcefully take it from you, I would be committing several felonies. If the government does it, it is somehow okay.

It is sad and speaks to the evil of government when they will kill a man over money.

Good question.

Also put to us by Alex Collier:

Ask yourself three questions:

1. Why do we have to pay to live on a planet we were born on?
2. Who are we paying?
3. And, who made them the boss??

On other planets all basic needs are met, housing, food, medical. If you choose to achieve more then you will have more but there is no poverty, no one goes without. Also, they do not withhold learning from anyone. Children are taught everything that the elders know and then everything else that has been brought into awareness since.

Other planetary races see us as just One race, the Human Race, yet we cannot seem to get past this. The PTB, aligned with ETs that are service-to-self keep us in poverty, fear, encourage us to hate, and accept limitations. We struggle for them!

Who here bought the b.s that 'Life is Supposed to be hard'?

Another question to ask yourself:

Why isn't Spirituality taught in school?

The premise of a trade item for services is a good idea, such as BREIF pointed out...

However he is missing something in his argument, 2 things actually.

Some people do not work for money. They simply get it for being friends with the people who make money, this breaks the system. The ones that get the free money use it to then pay off the lawmen so that the law dosnt affect them or to make new laws that help them stay in charge.

So basically its a sugguestion, some people work for money, while some use it as a method of control that they can jusr conjure up.

If the "currency" used to pay for new laws and whatnot was different then the currency people used for their work/food, then the system might last, but when a few people get as much as they like for no effort at all, while other people put in a TON of effort and cant even eat, obviously

THE SYSTEM IS BROKE.

Good idea, but the path to hell is paved with good intentions.


Personally I would work for free if my food and water and everything else was free.

I need something to do, some job or hobby or something, and never just sit still doing nothing if I can help it. I try to help farmers near by for free.

I think other people share my opinion. If the city centers provided what you needed such as food and healthcare, then you would see alot more people preforming creative works.

To have the best system possible, it should be an honor system, where the more you help people, the higher your social standing and respect are. Obviously farmers and doctors and teachers would be more respected then the artists and janitors and transportation drivers, but no one would be able to directly tell someone what to do, but simply sugguest.

The best way for a city to really get together is have a hall downtown with a jobs wanted posting. A list of jobs that need to be done and a skill requirement (not degree). Obviously doctors need experience, but you should be able to apprentice. Janitors could be a job for the unskilled or weak of mind, or ones who dislike responcibility.

To be honest, the current financial system is BROKEN WORLDWIDE, because its centered on a survival "ME FIRST" system. You can't eat unless you have a job or know someone with a job, so its a survival thing.

If you provided food for an entire city, there would be some time where people would be lazy because they are overworked or whatever, but eventually a majority of people would come together and work for the better good, because they would see the kindness that others show to them and they would resonate with it, eventually working for others instead of for self. It would spread like wildfire, unless physical force shuts it down or its bogged down in some religious dogma.

Personally I believe in Jesus Christ, but I also believe that "religion" in general is a manipulation tool and has broken the Holy Word to serve a few men. This is all I will say about this topic now.

Why the money system is bad? Because the people with the money think the system is good and the people in need are somehow lazy, and wont help them, while the people in need keep trying and cant make enough.


What to do now.

Ride it out, knowing its going to fail, and try to be in a position where you can help your fellow man when the opportunity arises, no matter what your situation is in. Try to start the fire of "service for others" when the "service for self" system dies.

If you are in DIRE need, then simply don't use the system. It is right to steal food to feed your family if you have tried the system and it cheated you. Its simply a reflection of what it did to you.

Jobs.

All of the jobs where you can work with your hands are being taken by immigrants. All of the trades are being taken by skilled immigrants or sold overseas. Technical jobs are always changing and also sold overseas. In america the only real good job you can have is in security or gobbermint.

Try to have a skill that is rare to find. Try to be necessary in some aspect. Get a skill where you can use your mind instead of your hands, and an immigrant will never take your job.

A garden is a good hobby but if your already broke and hungry its a little too late.

Be thankful for what you have and more will follow.

So. In Summery.

The idea of money payment for work is a good idea.
The ones who control the money are fucking up.
The current monetary system, especially in the us, is broken.
The design of cities are currently broken as well, suited for buisness instead of the people.
Good ideas get stopped by the men with guns.

You can live from the land alone, for so long. But you need friends and family too. Thats how they got ya.

3 seconds w/o blood
3 minutes w/o air
3 days w/o water
3 months w/o food
3 years w/o social interaction

Many people build very efficient lives on the wilds, but it is not sustainable w/o a social infrastructure. And if you do build a social structure, the ATF will burn it down.

Its all about money and control.

The laws are to control the populace so we have a standard
of living. Of course, it dosnt work. You can tell monkeys to
stop stealing bananas all you want, they will.

The money is to give us a reason. We need a reason to live.
Money is that reason. People can say all you need is love,
but love dosnt feed you, put a roof over your head or send
your kids to college.

PS: Its all bullshit I agree. But its the best that these
monkeys can come up with, until it collapses and we start
all over again... for ever, and ever and ever... we will
not change unless something steps in.

Because in the ancient times, there were some clever guys.
They didn't like to work. Instead, they thought out a system
to control other people to do the hard work.
They observed the sheperd, his sheeps, his dog,
and predatory wolfs and got the idea.

All you have to do is...

Create a 'garden' (artifical livingspace).

Settle your created citizens in there.

Give them some rules.

Control their money.

Control their knowledge.

Control their food supply.

Punish insubordination.

That's it.

The funny part is, it's all written in the bible.
The 101 handbook for sheep-control.

Technically, we pay to live because because it is supposed to help manage our resources.

However, anyone who has been to the gas station or a landfill can clearly see that The Monetary system does not work.

If you see that 25,000+ people die everyday from starvation, NOT because they refuse to work, NOT because the food is not available, but because they cant AFFORD to buy food.

925 million people on this planet are currently starving, even though as stated above, the food is available. The world produces enough food for every human to eat 2720 Kilo-calories everyday. Here is a link so you don't have to take my word for it.

[link to www.worldhunger.org]

The top 1% of the population owns 40% of the worlds resources, and 50% of the population lives off of $2 a day or less.

[link to www.cbc.ca]

[link to www.prb.org]


Sadly most people still support the Monetary system because they don't know, or don't care what it is doing to the world.

Thank you for all your replies.

First I'd like to thank the person who gave me a link to the Ishmael books. I've not heard of that one before, but it's just my cup of tea (to be very British!).

Money's sorted for this week. I'm *almost* glad it happened, because I got the chance to help an old fella along the way. He was let down badly by the system (didn't have any official ID as it was stolen from him, just a load of old letters in his name)... his solution? Well, he'll just go get a shooter and hold up another shop, worst thing that happens is he'll land up back in jail - doesn't have to pay there! My kindness to help him out may have made him rethink for now, but no doubt come next time, with noone to help - back to same ol' same ol'. We wonder why crime is so high, and spent more money to lock people up than to work out where their problems lie.

Seems to me a question of control.

I'm not saying it would be easy to solve it. I'm not saying I have any answers. I AM saying, it's not working. It hasn't worked for a long time.

To be honest, *I'll* be fine most likely in a couple of weeks. Living it for only that long is bad enough, yet we blindly watch people suffer like that and think "well, they must be lazy". I've spoken to many homeless people, and it's usually the ones who worked their asses off that get screwed first!

Money is just so fake. What happens if the power goes out?

To the person who said about production being replaced by machines - exactly. My partner lost his job Jan, for exactly this reason. These days you can't get into a new trade unless you're fresh out of school. There's simply too many people, and not enough work. It's fact.

To the poster who suggested I could grow some of my own food - this I would LOVE to do. I don't own a bit of dirt though! I'll give the growing indoors a go, but even herbs tend to die in this place... They love the light, and I don't seem to own much of that either :P

I put "living off the grid" to my OH. Not an option for him atm. He'd miss his net, etc, etc.. I'd love it, but he's not buying it just yet (see how "buying", "owning", etc is ingrained in even our language?).

I'll be setting up my Etsy to bring something to tide us over whether I land this new job or not.

It just seems so alien to me, and tbh it always has. I LOVED learning, so much so I could now probably do pretty any job if I really wanted. We say we want to explore outer space, or find what the smallest atom is, and use money we don't have to do so. Stop the wars then, and use the money to do it!

My partner said how much he respected Peter Andre (he's usually not so dippy!) and I nearly laughed out loud! Because he went to work at a homeless center. How much he was being paid to be filmed DOING the volunteering! Donate that to the homeless guys instead!

I stood at the post office today, staring at all the flashy LCD screens taelling people to "go to spot 6". Use your freaken voice to say "Next please" and feed an Ethopian for a year!

My Mum used to whine at me when I was a kid to finish my dinner and think of the starving kids out there who have nothing.

What?! So I should eat when I'm full and that will help those in need? I used to think about posting the spare food to them.

I've made mistakes. Who hasn't? I'm glad I can say that my mistakes were being too caught up in doing the "right thing" for others and not seeing what a mess it left me in. I can fix my own mess. Just a pity it seems like I'll have to work with the system a little longer. It for sure can't keep going how it is.

One thing I've found interesting is how people judge me for being caught up in the system... Curious. I'm glad to have heard from you... helps me out of the nievety I've always been told I have so I can operate in "this world". I always wonder how people become un-nieve... Do I have to eat a Dog? :(