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You have to be a cryptologist to discern the truth from Medjugore, Garabandal, and Bayside

 
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You have to be a cryptologist to discern the truth from Medjugore, Garabandal, and Bayside
Please reply only if you have a belief that some Marian apparitions may be genuine ,for example Fatima.

Here's the video


Here's the text from the video:
Jesus and Mary - great puzzlemasters?

Let us start with Garabandal
From the words of the chief visionary Conchita:
Conchita has said through her Diary, "I am the
only one to whom the Blessed Virgin spoke of the
miracle. She forbade me to say what it will
consist of. I can't announce the date either
until eight days before it is due to occur.
What I can reveal is that it will coincide
with an event in the Church and with the feast
of a saint, martyr of the Eucharist; that it
will take place at 8:30 on a Thursday evening;

Conchita continues: On August 10, 1971, while
talking to a group of Americans, she offered this
revealing information: "It will take place on or
between the eighth and sixteenth of March, April
or May. It will not happen in February or June."
Eight days in advance of the miracle ,Conchita
will give notice to the world about its coming.
Prior to the eight-day notice, God will send a
warning to the entire world to purify it for the
great miracle. Therefore, the world will receive
two advance notices: the warning and the eight-day
notice.


Bayside
Jesus — "The photograph ‘Jacinta 1972’ was given to
mankind as a puzzle for the human race to figure out,
and I say and repeat again to you: if not solved in
due time I will set the answer upon the world Myself.
Jacinta 1972." (5-27-78)

Veronica — I see the picture of "Jacinta 1972."
Jesus — "And what is in this picture, My child? Repeat."
Veronica — I see the letters very heavily penciled over
by Jacinta when she wrote this message. It says — one
part of the message — there are five parts to the
"Jacinta 1972" picture, but one part says: "A - C into,
I - N - T - O, mitres 1972."
Jesus — "Repeat that well, My child."
Veronica — "Antichrist into mitres 1972." (10-2-89)


Medjugore

Three of the visionaries, Mirjana, Ivanka, and Jakov,
have all ten secrets and no longer see Our Lady on a daily
basis. Mirjana received the 10th secret in 1982, Ivanka
in 1985, and Jakov in 1998. The other three visionaries,
Ivan, Marija and Vicka, each have 9 secrets and still see
Our Lady on a daily basis, as of June 1, 2009.

“The ninth and tenth secrets are serious. They concern
chastisement for the sins of the world. Punishment is
inevitable, for we cannot expect the whole world to be
converted. The punishment can be diminished by prayer
and penance, but it cannot be eliminated. Mirjana says
that one of the evils that threatened the world, the
one contained in the seventh secret, has been averted
thanks to prayer and fasting. That is why the Blessed
Virgin continues to encourage prayer and fasting:

Question: “Would you tell us now about the parchment that
relates to the secrets?

Mirjana: “On this parchment I have ten secrets, with the
dates and the places where they are going to take place.
That parchment I should give to the priest of my choice.
Ten days before the secret, I will give this paper to him.
He will only be able to see the secret that is going to
happen. He will only be able to see the first secret. He
will pray and fast on bread and water. On the third day
before the secret is divulged, he will make it public –
that this and that will happen at this and this place.
This should be convincing that Our Lady had been here –
that She did not call us in vain to peace, to love, to
conversion.

Q: “Where is the parchment now?

M: “In my room. When I got all the ten secrets, I was always
afraid that I might forget something. I was not sure about
myself to remember all those dates. It gave me trouble all
the time. So one day, while I was having the vision, Mary
simply gave me that, we call it foil, that parchment. It is
neither a paper or a tissue or fabric – just like an old
pigment parchment. So all ten secrets are nicely written on
it and so I keep that paper in the drawer with the rest of my
papers. I showed it to a cousin of mine and she just saw a
letter. She did not see any secrets, she just saw it as a
letter. And I showed it to, I think it was my aunt. I showed
it to her and she just saw certain poems. Nobody sees the
same. Only me, only I can see the secrets, so there is no
danger – I don’t have to hide it, to conceal it. I can keep
it on the table because nobody is able to read it, the secrets.

Q: “When you show it to other people, don’t they notice
that it is a special texture or form, that it is not
ordinary paper – even though they can’t read anything on it?

M: They were all confused. One saw it was a song, one saw it
was a letter. They were surprised. So I thought something was
wrong about that, so that I should not show it to anybody else.
It caused laughter, surprise. I just folded the paper and put it
away in my drawer.”



My personal answer to the question of whether Jesus and Mary
are puzzlemasters is a resounding no. They would not lead
people on for 40 tears or more trying to make sense of these
conflicting and complicated messages. I know what many of
you will say - What about the Bible and especially the
Apocalpyse. Well many of those mysteries were meant to be hidden
until the time was right. I believe the time is approaching
and God will reveal those hidden meanings very soon through
His coming prophets who are spoke about in the last book of
the Bible.
You must contrast the current Marian Apparition sites,
starting with garabandal continuing up until the present
day, With Fatima. Our Lady's message was precise, concise
and proved to be true. I believe the third secret of Fatima
was never fully revealed because the Church Hierarchy saw
the message a little too close to home andd all too accurate.
Our Lady also proved Her apparition true by the miracle of the
sun witnessed by upwards of 70000 people, many who were
unbelievers or atheists. Don't you think if God wanted too
He could prove any apparition site true in likewise fasion.
I certaintly do.
I am willing to debate anyone who disagrees with me.


references:
[link to www.tldm.org]
[link to www.garabandal.org]
[link to www.medjugorje.com]

Last Edited by pemazocato on 06/15/2011 12:37 AM
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Re: You have to be a cryptologist to discern the truth from Medjugore, Garabandal, and Bayside
I believed Bayside and Garabandal were true apparition sites for over 7 years.
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Re: You have to be a cryptologist to discern the truth from Medjugore, Garabandal, and Bayside
bump

I thought a bump was proper on the 50th anniversary of Garabandal and the 41st anniversary of Bayside.
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Re: You have to be a cryptologist to discern the truth from Medjugore, Garabandal, and Bayside
Bayside has been condemned by the Catholic Church

Garabandal is questionable. Medjugorje is currently under investigation. I personally believe it is legitimate.

As for Garabandal, one possible solution for the date of the miracle is as follows:

I assume you already know the whole story and that the miracle will occur on the feast day of a Eucharistic saint. I "think" the saint might be Blessed Imelda Lambortini. Note: She is considered a saint, but is not yet canonized. Her feast day is May 13 - which falls within the list of months and dates required. Also, the first Fatima apparition occurred on May 13. She was 11-12 (same age as visionaries) when she died in 1333 in ecstasy after receiving her first communion. The next time her feast day falls on a Thursday will be in 2021, which is also Holy Thursday. 2021 is the 60th anniversary of Garabandal and 40th anniversary of Medjugorje. The "special event" might be a canonization (John Paul 2?). Also, Google Joey Lomingino. He will be in his 90's in 2021.
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