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Gaudiya-vaishnav.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Which subscribes to the [link to en.wikipedia.org] Acintya Bheda Abheda philosophy that was elaborated on by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

A school of Vedanta representing the philosophy of inconceivable one-ness and difference, in relation to the power creation and creator, (Krishna), svayam bhagavan. and also between God and his energies within the Gaudiya Vaishnava religious tradition.

In Sanskrit achintya means 'inconceivable', bheda translates as 'difference', and abheda translates as 'one-ness'. This philosophy was taught by the movement's theological founder Chaitanya Mahaprabhu(1486 - 1534) and differentiates the Gaudiya tradition from the other Vaishnava Sampradayas.

It can be best understood as integral monism, as a position between the opposites of absolute monism of Adi Sankara's Advaita, and the dualist monism of Ramanujacarya's Vishishtadvaita.


Caitanya's philosophy of acintya-bheda-abheda-tattva completed the progression to devotional theism. Ramanuja had agreed with Sankara that the Absolute is one only, but he had disagreed by affirming individual variety within that oneness. Madhva had underscored the eternal duality of the Supreme and the Jiva: he had maintained that this duality endures even after liberation. Caitanya, in turn, specified that the Supreme and the jivas are "inconceivably, simultaneously one and different" (acintya-bheda-abheda). He strongly opposed Sankara's philosophy for its defiance of Vyasadeva's siddhanta.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Gaudiya-vaishnav.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Which subscribes to the [link to en.wikipedia.org] Acintya Bheda Abheda philosophy that was elaborated on by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

A school of Vedanta representing the philosophy of inconceivable one-ness and difference, in relation to the power creation and creator, (Krishna), svayam bhagavan. and also between God and his energies within the Gaudiya Vaishnava religious tradition.

In Sanskrit achintya means 'inconceivable', bheda translates as 'difference', and abheda translates as 'one-ness'. This philosophy was taught by the movement's theological founder Chaitanya Mahaprabhu(1486 - 1534) and differentiates the Gaudiya tradition from the other Vaishnava Sampradayas.

It can be best understood as integral monism, as a position between the opposites of absolute monism of Adi Sankara's Advaita, and the dualist monism of Ramanujacarya's Vishishtadvaita.


Caitanya's philosophy of acintya-bheda;bheda-tattva completed the progression to devotional theism. Ramanuja had agreed with Sankara that the Absolute is one only, but he had disagreed by affirming individual variety within that oneness. Madhva had underscored the eternal duality of the Supreme and the Jiva: he had maintained that this duality endures even after liberation. Caitanya, in turn, specified that the Supreme and the jivas are "inconceivably, simultaneously one and different" (acintya-bheda-abheda). He strongly opposed Sankara's philosophy for its defiance of Vyasadeva's siddhanta.

Satsvarupa dasa Goswami
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I am like the space which permeates all objects, and is yet undefiled. I am of the nature of Absolute Consciousness. I can now cognize my Reality to be no other than That.

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Gaudiya-vaishnav.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Which subscribes to the [link to en.wikipedia.org] Acintya Bheda Abheda philosophy that was elaborated on by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

A school of Vedanta representing the philosophy of inconceivable one-ness and difference, in relation to the power creation and creator, (Krishna), svayam bhagavan. and also between God and his energies within the Gaudiya Vaishnava religious tradition.

In Sanskrit achintya means 'inconceivable', bheda translates as 'difference', and abheda translates as 'one-ness'. This philosophy was taught by the movement's theological founder Chaitanya Mahaprabhu(1486 - 1534) and differentiates the Gaudiya tradition from the other Vaishnava Sampradayas.

It can be best understood as integral monism, as a position between the opposites of absolute monism of Adi Sankara's Advaita, and the dualist monism of Ramanujacarya's Vishishtadvaita.


Caitanya's philosophy of acintya-bheda;bheda-tattva completed the progression to devotional theism. Ramanuja had agreed with Sankara that the Absolute is one only, but he had disagreed by affirming individual variety within that oneness. Madhva had underscored the eternal duality of the Supreme and the Jiva: he had maintained that this duality endures even after liberation. Caitanya, in turn, specified that the Supreme and the jivas are "inconceivably, simultaneously one and different" (acintya-bheda-abheda). He strongly opposed Sankara's philosophy for its defiance of Vyasadeva's siddhanta.

Satsvarupa dasa Goswami
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Great! I hope you can penetrate into the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhus Actinya-bheda-abheda teachings.

They provide me with extreme Bliss, not found from other teachings.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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It seems Chaitanya subscribed to the parinama vada. Do you think parinama and vivarta vada are irreconcilable? I do not.
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It seems Chaitanya subscribed to the parinama vada. Do you think parinama and vivarta vada are irreconcilable? I do not.
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Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura comments that if one does not clearly understand the meaning of parinama-vada, or transformation of energy, one is sure to misunderstand the truth regarding this material cosmic manifestation and the living entities. In the Chandogya Upanishad (6.8.4) it is said, san-mulah saumyemah prajah sad-ayatanah sat-pratishthah. The material world and the living entities are separate beings, and they are eternally true, not false.

Sankaracarya, however, unnecessarily fearing that by parinama-vada (transformation of energy) Brahman would be transformed (vikari), has imagined both the material world and the living entities to be false and to have no individuality. By word jugglery he has tried to prove that the individual identities of the living entities and the material world are illusory, and he has cited the examples of mistaking a rope for a snake or an oyster shell for gold. Thus he has most abominably cheated people in general.

The analogy of misunderstanding a rope to be a snake is mentioned in the Mandukya Upanishad, but it is meant to explain the error of identifying the body with the soul. Since the soul is actually a spiritual particle, as confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita (mamaivamso jiva-loke), it is due to illusion (vivarta-vada) that a human being, like an animal, identifies the body with the self. This is a proper example of vivarta, or illusion. The verse atattvato 'nyatha-buddhir vivarta ity udahritah describes such an illusion. To not know actual facts and thus to mistake one thing for another (as, for example, to accept the body as oneself) is called vivarta-vada. Every conditioned living entity who considers the body to be the soul is deluded by this vivarta-vada. One can be attacked by this vivarta-vada philosophy when he forgets the inconceivable power of the omnipotent Personality of Godhead.

How the Supreme Personality of Godhead remains as He is, never changing, is explained in the Isopanishad: purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasishyate. God is complete. Even if a complete manifestation is taken away from Him, He continues to be complete. The material creation is manifested by the energy of the Lord, but He is still the same person. His form, entourage, qualities and so on never deteriorate. Srila Jiva Gosvami, in his Paramatma-sandarbha, comments regarding the vivarta-vada as follows:

"Under the spell of vivarta-vada one imagines the separate entities, namely the cosmic manifestation and the living entities, to be one with Brahman. This is due to complete ignorance regarding the actual fact. The Absolute Truth, or Parabrahman, is always one and always the same. He is completely free from all other conceptions of existence. He is completely free from false ego, for He is the full spiritual identity. It is absolutely impossible for Him to be subjected to ignorance and fall under the spell of a misconception (vivarta-vada). The Absolute Truth is beyond our conception. One must admit that He has unblemished qualities that He does not share with every living entity. He is never tainted in the slightest degree by the flaws of ordinary living beings. Everyone must therefore understand the Absolute Truth to possess inconceivable potencies."
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Indeed at the end of the day none of these vadas or any other concept of the mind can be exhaustive descriptions at all of the Nirguna Brahman.


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The main purpose of this brief essay is to examine the longstanding controversy about (and thereby the debates between) parinama-vada and vivarta-vada, and show that vivarta-vada, correctly understood, does not oppose parinama-vada, and subsumes it under itself. I am not concerned here with tracing the history of the conflict between parinama and vivarta; rather, my chief concern here is a thorough analysis of the conflict and clearly point out the misunderstandings which generated the conflict in the first place.


Let us begin with a clear understanding of parinama-vada and vivarta-vada; here are the definitions: “parinama-vada” is the theory (view) that when anything, say A, undergoes changes and transformations resulting in B, C, D, etc., these changes and transformations are real; “vivarta-vada” is the theory (view) that the changes and transformations referred to above are not real but merely appearances. Samkara’s Advaita-Vedanta upholds the vivarta-vada and other schools of Vedanta and Samkhya uphold the parinama-vada. I am not concerned with Buddhism, Jainism, etc at this point.


Vivarta-vada does not deny changes and transformations but maintains that the changes and transformations are not real; according to Samkara, “real change” is the change by which, something, say X, loses its essential nature and becomes Y, something absolutely different from X; for example, a piece of wood becoming a lump of gold. Thus when Brahman becomes the world, Brahman undergoes no real changes and does not lose its essential nature (and being) as Atman, pure consciousness. Yes, Brahman appears as the world, without undergoing any real change, for there is, in principle, nothing other than Brahman for Brahman to become.


Both Samkara and Samkhya subscribe to satkarya-vada, according to which the effect is identical to (and pre-exists in) the cause; that is, there will be nothing in the effect that is not already in the cause. The question now arises: Does all this mean that the cause does or does not undergo any real change in producing the effect? Samkhya, through its teaching of parinama-vada, maintains that the cause does undergo real changes in producing the effects. Samkara points out that such a teaching contradicts satkarya-vada, which the Samkhya upholds, and therefore parinama-vada is false. Let me illustrate the point of Samkara’s critique of Samkhya. When the potter makes, say cups and saucers, from clay, the clay does not undergo any real changes and become something other than clay; the changes the clay undergoes are only in forms and names; note further that the cups and saucers have no existence apart from the clay, whereas the clay exists even when there are no cups and saucers (before the potter made them as well as after he destroys them). Simply put, the clay does not undergo any real changes in becoming cups and saucers but only apparent changes. Hence Samkara rejects parinama-vada and upholds vivarta-vada (changes in appearance only). Similar arguments can also be presented with equal validity and soundness against other schools of Vedanta, such as Ramanuja’s and Madhva’s, which uphold parinama-vada.


To conclude, parinama-vada cannot subsume under itself vivarta-vada, whereas the latter can easily subsume the former, insofar as it does not deny changes and acknowledges changes in appearances only, thereby remaining faithful to satkarya-vada, unlike Samkhya and other parinama-vadins. Brahman, in becoming the world, does not undergo any real changes, since there cannot, in principle, be anything other than Brahman for Brahman to become. Is there, then, a real distinction between parinama-vada and vivarta-vada? The answer is clearly in the affirmative; while parinama-vada and vivarta-vada both acknowledge changes in the cause in producing the effects, the changes are not real but only in appearances (forms and names) for the vivarta-vada, whereas they are real for parinama-vada, thereby contradicting satkarya-vada, to which both Samkhya and Samkara subscribe . (Note: Samkhya subscribes to satkarya-vada in regard to the evolution of Prakrti, whereas Samkara subscribes to satkarya-vada in regard to Brahman becoming the world. For Samkhya, there are two ultimates, namely, Prakrti and Purusha, whereas for Samkara there is just the non-dual Brahman, for the doctrine of two ultimates is self-contradictory.)
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Indeed at the end of the day none of these vadas or any other concept of the mind can be exhaustive descriptions at all of the Nirguna Brahman.


[link to www.medhajournal.com]

The main purpose of this brief essay is to examine the longstanding controversy about (and thereby the debates between) parinama-vada and vivarta-vada, and show that vivarta-vada, correctly understood, does not oppose parinama-vada, and subsumes it under itself. I am not concerned here with tracing the history of the conflict between parinama and vivarta; rather, my chief concern here is a thorough analysis of the conflict and clearly point out the misunderstandings which generated the conflict in the first place.


Let us begin with a clear understanding of parinama-vada and vivarta-vada; here are the definitions: “parinama-vada” is the theory (view) that when anything, say A, undergoes changes and transformations resulting in B, C, D, etc., these changes and transformations are real; “vivarta-vada” is the theory (view) that the changes and transformations referred to above are not real but merely appearances. Samkara’s Advaita-Vedanta upholds the vivarta-vada and other schools of Vedanta and Samkhya uphold the parinama-vada. I am not concerned with Buddhism, Jainism, etc at this point.


Vivarta-vada does not deny changes and transformations but maintains that the changes and transformations are not real; according to Samkara, “real change” is the change by which, something, say X, loses its essential nature and becomes Y, something absolutely different from X; for example, a piece of wood becoming a lump of gold. Thus when Brahman becomes the world, Brahman undergoes no real changes and does not lose its essential nature (and being) as Atman, pure consciousness. Yes, Brahman appears as the world, without undergoing any real change, for there is, in principle, nothing other than Brahman for Brahman to become.


Both Samkara and Samkhya subscribe to satkarya-vada, according to which the effect is identical to (and pre-exists in) the cause; that is, there will be nothing in the effect that is not already in the cause. The question now arises: Does all this mean that the cause does or does not undergo any real change in producing the effect? Samkhya, through its teaching of parinama-vada, maintains that the cause does undergo real changes in producing the effects. Samkara points out that such a teaching contradicts satkarya-vada, which the Samkhya upholds, and therefore parinama-vada is false. Let me illustrate the point of Samkara’s critique of Samkhya. When the potter makes, say cups and saucers, from clay, the clay does not undergo any real changes and become something other than clay; the changes the clay undergoes are only in forms and names; note further that the cups and saucers have no existence apart from the clay, whereas the clay exists even when there are no cups and saucers (before the potter made them as well as after he destroys them). Simply put, the clay does not undergo any real changes in becoming cups and saucers but only apparent changes. Hence Samkara rejects parinama-vada and upholds vivarta-vada (changes in appearance only). Similar arguments can also be presented with equal validity and soundness against other schools of Vedanta, such as Ramanuja’s and Madhva’s, which uphold parinama-vada.


To conclude, parinama-vada cannot subsume under itself vivarta-vada, whereas the latter can easily subsume the former, insofar as it does not deny changes and acknowledges changes in appearances only, thereby remaining faithful to satkarya-vada, unlike Samkhya and other parinama-vadins. Brahman, in becoming the world, does not undergo any real changes, since there cannot, in principle, be anything other than Brahman for Brahman to become. Is there, then, a real distinction between parinama-vada and vivarta-vada? The answer is clearly in the affirmative; while parinama-vada and vivarta-vada both acknowledge changes in the cause in producing the effects, the changes are not real but only in appearances (forms and names) for the vivarta-vada, whereas they are real for parinama-vada, thereby contradicting satkarya-vada, to which both Samkhya and Samkara subscribe . (Note: Samkhya subscribes to satkarya-vada in regard to the evolution of Prakrti, whereas Samkara subscribes to satkarya-vada in regard to Brahman becoming the world. For Samkhya, there are two ultimates, namely, Prakrti and Purusha, whereas for Samkara there is just the non-dual Brahman, for the doctrine of two ultimates is self-contradictory.)
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vyasera sutrete kahe 'parinama'-vada
'vyasa bhranta' -- bali' tara uthaila vivada


"In his Vedanta-sutra Srila Vyasadeva has described that everything is but a transformation of the energy of the Lord. Sankaracarya, however, has misled the world by commenting that Vyasadeva was mistaken. Thus he has raised great opposition to theism throughout the entire world."


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Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura explains, "In the Vedanta-sutra of Srila Vyasadeva it is definitely stated that all cosmic manifestations result from transformations of various energies of the Lord. Sankaracarya, however, not accepting the energy of the Lord, thinks that it is the Lord who is transformed. He has taken many clear statements from the Vedic literature and twisted them to try to prove that if the Lord, or the Absolute Truth, were transformed, His oneness would be disturbed. Thus he has accused Srila Vyasadeva of being mistaken. In developing his philosophy of monism, therefore, he has established vivarta-vada, or the Mayavada theory of illusion."


In the Brahma-sutra, Second Chapter, the first aphorism is as follows: tad-ananyatvam arambhana-sabdadibhyah. Commenting on this sutra in his Sariraka-bhashya, Sankaracarya has introduced the statement vacarambhanam vikaro namadheyam from the Chandogya Upanishad (6.1.4) to try to prove that acceptance of the transformation of the energy of the Supreme Lord is faulty. He has tried to defy this transformation of energy in a misguided way, which will be explained later. Since his conception of God is impersonal, he does not believe that the entire cosmic manifestation is a transformation of the energies of the Lord, for as soon as one accepts the various energies of the Absolute Truth, one must immediately accept the Absolute Truth to be personal, not impersonal. A person can create many things by the transformation of his energy. For example, a businessman transforms his energy by establishing many big factories or business organizations, yet he remains a person although his energy has been transformed into these many factories or business concerns. The Mayavadi philosophers do not understand this simple fact. Their tiny brains and poor fund of knowledge cannot afford them sufficient enlightenment to realize that when a man's energy is transformed, the man himself is not transformed but remains the same person.


Not believing in the fact that the energy of the Absolute Truth is transformed, Sankaracarya has propounded his theory of illusion. This theory states that although the Absolute Truth is never transformed, we think that it is transformed, which is an illusion. Sankaracarya does not believe in the transformation of the energy of the Absolute Truth, for he claims that everything is one and that the living entity is therefore also one with the Supreme. This is the Mayavada theory.


Srila Vyasadeva has explained that the Absolute Truth is a person who has different potencies. Merely by His desire that there be creation and by His glance (sa aikshata), He created this material world (sa asrijata). After creation, He remains the same person: He is not transformed into everything. One should accept that the Lord has inconceivable energies and that it is by His order and will that varieties of manifestations have come into existence. In the Vedic literature it is said, sa-tattvato 'nyatha-buddhir vikara ity udahritah. This mantra indicates that from one fact another fact is generated. For example, a father is one fact, and a son generated from the father is a second fact. Thus both of them are truths, although one is generated from the other. This generation of a second, independent truth from a first truth is called vikara, or transformation resulting in a by-product. The Supreme Brahman is the Absolute Truth, and the energies that have emanated from Him and are existing separately, such as the living entities and the cosmic manifestation, are also truths. This is an example of transformation, which is called vikara or parinama. To give another example of vikara, milk is a truth, but the same milk may be transformed into yogurt. Thus yogurt is a transformation of milk, although the ingredients of yogurt and milk are the same.


In the Chandogya Upanishad there is the following mantra: aitad-atmyam idam sarvam. This mantra indicates without a doubt that the entire world is Brahman. The Absolute Truth has inconceivable energies, as confirmed in the Svetasvatara Upanishad (parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate), and the entire cosmic manifestation is evidence of these different energies of the Supreme Lord. The Supreme Lord is a fact, and therefore whatever is created by the Supreme Lord is also factual. Everything is true and complete (purnam), but the original purnam, the complete Absolute Truth, always remains the same. Purnat purnam udacyate purnasya purnam adaya. The Absolute Truth is so perfect that although innumerable energies emanate from Him and manifest creations which appear to be different from Him, He nevertheless maintains His personality. He never deteriorates under any circumstances.


It is to be concluded that the entire cosmic manifestation is a transformation of the energy of the Supreme Lord, not of the Supreme Lord or Absolute Truth Himself, who always remains the same. The material world and the living entities are transformations of the energy of the Lord, the Absolute Truth or Brahman, who is the original source. In other words, the Absolute Truth, Brahman, is the original ingredient, and the other manifestations are transformations of this ingredient. This is also confirmed in the Taittiriya Upanishad (3.1): yato va imani bhutani jayante. "This entire cosmic manifestation is made possible by the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead." In this verse it is indicated that Brahman, the Absolute Truth, is the original cause and that the living entities (jivas) and the cosmic manifestation are effects of this cause. The cause being a fact, the effects are also factual. They are not illusion. Sankaracarya has inconsistently tried to prove that it is an illusion to accept the material world and the jivas as by-products of the Supreme Lord because (in his conception) the existence of the material world and the jivas is different and separate from that of the Absolute Truth. With this jugglery of understanding, Mayavadi philosophers have propagated the slogan brahma satyam jagan mithya, which declares that the Absolute Truth is fact but the cosmic manifestation and the living entities are simply illusions, or that all of them are in fact the Absolute Truth and that the material world and living entities do not separately exist.


It is therefore to be concluded that Sankaracarya, in order to present the Supreme Lord, the living entities and the material nature as indivisible and ignorant, tries to cover the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He maintains that the material cosmic manifestation is mithya, or false, but this is a great blunder. If the Supreme Personality of Godhead is a fact, how can His creation be false? Even in ordinary dealings, one cannot think the material cosmic manifestation to be false. Therefore Vaishnava philosophers say that the cosmic creation is not false but temporary. It is separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but since it is wonderfully created by the energy of the Lord, to say that it is false is blasphemous.


Nondevotees factually appreciate the wonderful creation of material nature, but they cannot appreciate the intelligence and energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is behind this material creation. Sripada Ramanujacarya, however, refers to a sutra from the Aitareya Upanishad (1.1.1), atma va idam agra asit, which points out that the supreme atma, the Absolute Truth, existed before the creation. One may argue, "If the Supreme Personality of Godhead is completely spiritual, how is it possible for Him to be the origin of creation and have within Himself both material and spiritual energies?" To answer this challenge, Sripada Ramanujacarya quotes a mantra from the Taittiriya Upanishad (3.1) that states:

yato va imani bhutani jayante yena jatani jivanti yat prayanty abhisamvisanti

This mantra confirms that the entire cosmic manifestation emanates from the Absolute Truth, rests upon the Absolute Truth and after annihilation again reenters the body of the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The living entity is originally spiritual, and when he enters the spiritual world or the body of the Supreme Lord, he still retains his identity as an individual soul. In this connection Sripada Ramanujacarya gives the analogy that when a green bird enters a green tree it does not become one with the tree: it retains its identity as a bird, although it appears to merge with the greenness of the tree. To give another analogy, an animal that enters a forest keeps its individuality, although apparently the beast merges with the forest. Similarly, in material existence, both the material energy and the living entities of the marginal potency maintain their individuality. Thus although the energies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead interact within the cosmic manifestation, each keeps its separate individual existence. Merging with the material or spiritual energies, therefore, does not involve loss of individuality. According to Sri Ramanujapada's theory of Visishtadvaita, although all the energies of the Lord are one, each keeps its individuality (vaisishtya).


Sripada Sankaracarya has tried to mislead the readers of the Vedanta-sutra by misinterpreting the words ananda-mayo 'bhyasat, and he has even tried to find fault with Vyasadeva.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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It is to be concluded that the entire cosmic manifestation is a transformation of the energy of the Supreme Lord, not of the Supreme Lord or Absolute Truth Himself, who always remains the same. The material world and the living entities are transformations of the energy of the Lord, the Absolute Truth or Brahman, who is the original source. In other words, the Absolute Truth, Brahman, is the original ingredient, and the other manifestations are transformations of this ingredient. This is also confirmed in the Taittiriya Upanishad (3.1): yato va imani bhutani jayante. "This entire cosmic manifestation is made possible by the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead." In this verse it is indicated that Brahman, the Absolute Truth, is the original cause and that the living entities (jivas) and the cosmic manifestation are effects of this cause. The cause being a fact, the effects are also factual. They are not illusion. Sankaracarya has inconsistently tried to prove that it is an illusion to accept the material world and the jivas as by-products of the Supreme Lord because (in his conception) the existence of the material world and the jivas is different and separate from that of the Absolute Truth. With this jugglery of understanding, Mayavadi philosophers have propagated the slogan brahma satyam jagan mithya, which declares that the Absolute Truth is fact but the cosmic manifestation and the living entities are simply illusions, or that all of them are in fact the Absolute Truth and that the material world and living entities do not separately exist.


It is therefore to be concluded that Sankaracarya, in order to present the Supreme Lord, the living entities and the material nature as indivisible and ignorant, tries to cover the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He maintains that the material cosmic manifestation is mithya, or false, but this is a great blunder. If the Supreme Personality of Godhead is a fact, how can His creation be false? Even in ordinary dealings, one cannot think the material cosmic manifestation to be false. Therefore Vaishnava philosophers say that the cosmic creation is not false but temporary. It is separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but since it is wonderfully created by the energy of the Lord, to say that it is false is blasphemous.
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It can be useful to differentiate between language and states. The term "contemplation" can refer to "being in the state of nondual-contemplation", a state where attachment to concepts of self and other is cut through. The compulsion or need to conceptually define consciousness is cut through. The presence or absence of the concepts themselves is peripheral. The utility lies in knowing that you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

If consciousness exists before thought and things then consciousness exists regardless of the presence or absence of thought and things. If consciousness is the ground of thought and things, then consciousness is also "the conceptual mode of defining self and other" since distinguishing the difference between "consciousness" and "the conceptual mode of defining self and other", is itself another conceptual mode of defining self and other.

...the conceptual mode of defining self and other, isn't necessarily the ultimate definition of consciousness, and therefore there isn't necessarily an ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things...since that difference is asserted by thought & things and not by consciousness.

On the other hand, if thought & things assert self and other, and if there is no ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things, yet one is asserting self and other and the other does not, then how can there be any ultimate assertion of the existence or non-existence of subject and object?

I know this is convoluted, but thats sort of the point. Intellectual thought isn't necessarily antithetical to "non-dual contemplation"...can in fact be its primary vehicle.

How then can manifestation be said to be illusion and Brahman be said to be Truth? Both are both. Therein lies the limitless potential of Brahman to Become. The paradox of apparent manifestation is resolved in the state of turiya.

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It is to be concluded that the entire cosmic manifestation is a transformation of the energy of the Supreme Lord, not of the Supreme Lord or Absolute Truth Himself, who always remains the same. The material world and the living entities are transformations of the energy of the Lord, the Absolute Truth or Brahman, who is the original source. In other words, the Absolute Truth, Brahman, is the original ingredient, and the other manifestations are transformations of this ingredient. This is also confirmed in the Taittiriya Upanishad (3.1): yato va imani bhutani jayante. "This entire cosmic manifestation is made possible by the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead." In this verse it is indicated that Brahman, the Absolute Truth, is the original cause and that the living entities (jivas) and the cosmic manifestation are effects of this cause. The cause being a fact, the effects are also factual. They are not illusion. Sankaracarya has inconsistently tried to prove that it is an illusion to accept the material world and the jivas as by-products of the Supreme Lord because (in his conception) the existence of the material world and the jivas is different and separate from that of the Absolute Truth. With this jugglery of understanding, Mayavadi philosophers have propagated the slogan brahma satyam jagan mithya, which declares that the Absolute Truth is fact but the cosmic manifestation and the living entities are simply illusions, or that all of them are in fact the Absolute Truth and that the material world and living entities do not separately exist.


It is therefore to be concluded that Sankaracarya, in order to present the Supreme Lord, the living entities and the material nature as indivisible and ignorant, tries to cover the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He maintains that the material cosmic manifestation is mithya, or false, but this is a great blunder. If the Supreme Personality of Godhead is a fact, how can His creation be false? Even in ordinary dealings, one cannot think the material cosmic manifestation to be false. Therefore Vaishnava philosophers say that the cosmic creation is not false but temporary. It is separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but since it is wonderfully created by the energy of the Lord, to say that it is false is blasphemous.
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It can be useful to differentiate between language and states. The term "contemplation" can refer to "being in the state of nondual-contemplation", a state where attachment to concepts of self and other is cut through. The compulsion or need to conceptually define consciousness is cut through. The presence or absence of the concepts themselves is peripheral. The utility lies in knowing that you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

If consciousness exists before thought and things then consciousness exists regardless of the presence or absence of thought and things. If consciousness is the ground of thought and things, then consciousness is also "the conceptual mode of defining self and other" since distinguishing the difference between "consciousness" and "the conceptual mode of defining self and other", is itself another conceptual mode of defining self and other.

...the conceptual mode of defining self and other, isn't necessarily the ultimate definition of consciousness, and therefore there isn't necessarily an ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things...since that difference is asserted by thought & things and not by consciousness.

On the other hand, if thought & things assert self and other, and if there is no ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things, yet one is asserting self and other and the other does not, then how can there be any ultimate assertion of the existence or non-existence of subject and object?

I know this is convoluted, but thats sort of the point. Intellectual thought isn't necessarily antithetical to "non-dual contemplation"...can in fact be its primary vehicle.

How then can manifestation be said to be illusion and Brahman be said to be Truth? Both are both. Therein lies the limitless potential of Brahman to Become. The paradox of apparent manifestation is resolved in the state of turiya.
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist



The Limitless potential to become Both is called Actinya Bheda Abheda.

Inconceivable simultaneous one-ness and difference.


The sanskrit word "Turiya" means one fourth.

According to Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti, the word turiya indicates that the Lord is the fourth member of the quadruple expansion of Godhead called the Catur-vyüha. In other words, Lord Krishna is Väsudeva.

Lord Krishna is sva-drk—that is, He alone can perceive Himself perfectly—because He is infinite spiritual existence, infinitely pure.

He is hetu, the cause of everything, and yet He is ahetu, without cause. Therefore He is isa, the supreme controller.

The last two lines of this verse are of special philosophical significance. Why is the Lord perceived differently by different persons, although He is one?

A partial explanation is given here. By the agency of Mäyä, the Lord's external potency, material nature is in a constant state of transformation, vikära. In one sense, then, material nature is "unreal," asat.

But because God is the supreme reality, and because He is present within all things and all things are His potency, material objects and energies possess a degree of reality.

Therefore some people see one aspect of material energy and think, "This is reality," while other people see a different aspect of material energy and think, "No, that is reality." Being conditioned souls, we are covered by different configurations of material nature, and thus we describe the Supreme Truth or the Supreme Lord in terms of our corrupted vision.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

All glories to Lord Krsna/Radha
All glories to Lord Jesus
All glories to the mighty-armed Arjuna
All glories to Lord Caitanya
All glories to his divine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Beware, Krsna's good devotee Maya has much power on GLP
Chant and be happy, OP
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But because God is the supreme reality, and because He is present within all things and all things are His potency, material objects and energies possess a degree of reality.

Therefore some people see one aspect of material energy and think, "This is reality," while other people see a different aspect of material energy and think, "No, that is reality." Being conditioned souls, we are covered by different configurations of material nature, and thus we describe the Supreme Truth or the Supreme Lord in terms of our corrupted vision.


That is the Crux of this discussion! hf Blazen here!
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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

All glories to Lord Krsna/Radha
All glories to Lord Jesus
All glories to the mighty-armed Arjuna
All glories to Lord Caitanya
All glories to his divine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Beware, Krsna's good devotee Maya has much power on GLP
Chant and be happy, OP
You are more blessed than any of us can understand
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You are more blessed than me! You have gotten to chant the holy names of the lord, and you understand the power of Maya!

I am a most fallen soul, and I could benefit by rendering service to a great devotee such as yourself.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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It is to be concluded that the entire cosmic manifestation is a transformation of the energy of the Supreme Lord, not of the Supreme Lord or Absolute Truth Himself, who always remains the same. The material world and the living entities are transformations of the energy of the Lord, the Absolute Truth or Brahman, who is the original source. In other words, the Absolute Truth, Brahman, is the original ingredient, and the other manifestations are transformations of this ingredient. This is also confirmed in the Taittiriya Upanishad (3.1): yato va imani bhutani jayante. "This entire cosmic manifestation is made possible by the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead." In this verse it is indicated that Brahman, the Absolute Truth, is the original cause and that the living entities (jivas) and the cosmic manifestation are effects of this cause. The cause being a fact, the effects are also factual. They are not illusion. Sankaracarya has inconsistently tried to prove that it is an illusion to accept the material world and the jivas as by-products of the Supreme Lord because (in his conception) the existence of the material world and the jivas is different and separate from that of the Absolute Truth. With this jugglery of understanding, Mayavadi philosophers have propagated the slogan brahma satyam jagan mithya, which declares that the Absolute Truth is fact but the cosmic manifestation and the living entities are simply illusions, or that all of them are in fact the Absolute Truth and that the material world and living entities do not separately exist.


It is therefore to be concluded that Sankaracarya, in order to present the Supreme Lord, the living entities and the material nature as indivisible and ignorant, tries to cover the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He maintains that the material cosmic manifestation is mithya, or false, but this is a great blunder. If the Supreme Personality of Godhead is a fact, how can His creation be false? Even in ordinary dealings, one cannot think the material cosmic manifestation to be false. Therefore Vaishnava philosophers say that the cosmic creation is not false but temporary. It is separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but since it is wonderfully created by the energy of the Lord, to say that it is false is blasphemous.
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It can be useful to differentiate between language and states. The term "contemplation" can refer to "being in the state of nondual-contemplation", a state where attachment to concepts of self and other is cut through. The compulsion or need to conceptually define consciousness is cut through. The presence or absence of the concepts themselves is peripheral. The utility lies in knowing that you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

If consciousness exists before thought and things then consciousness exists regardless of the presence or absence of thought and things. If consciousness is the ground of thought and things, then consciousness is also "the conceptual mode of defining self and other" since distinguishing the difference between "consciousness" and "the conceptual mode of defining self and other", is itself another conceptual mode of defining self and other.

...the conceptual mode of defining self and other, isn't necessarily the ultimate definition of consciousness, and therefore there isn't necessarily an ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things...since that difference is asserted by thought & things and not by consciousness.

On the other hand, if thought & things assert self and other, and if there is no ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things, yet one is asserting self and other and the other does not, then how can there be any ultimate assertion of the existence or non-existence of subject and object?

I know this is convoluted, but thats sort of the point. Intellectual thought isn't necessarily antithetical to "non-dual contemplation"...can in fact be its primary vehicle.

How then can manifestation be said to be illusion and Brahman be said to be Truth? Both are both. Therein lies the limitless potential of Brahman to Become. The paradox of apparent manifestation is resolved in the state of turiya.
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist



The Limitless potential to become Both is called Actinya Bheda Abheda.

Inconceivable simultaneous one-ness and difference.


The sanskrit word "Turiya" means one fourth.

According to Srila Visvanätha Cakravarti, the word turiya indicates that the Lord is the fourth member of the quadruple expansion of Godhead called the Catur-vyüha. In other words, Lord Krishna is Väsudeva.

Lord Krishna is sva-drk—that is, He alone can perceive Himself perfectly—because He is infinite spiritual existence, infinitely pure.

He is hetu, the cause of everything, and yet He is ahetu, without cause. Therefore He is isa, the supreme controller.

The last two lines of this verse are of special philosophical significance. Why is the Lord perceived differently by different persons, although He is one?

A partial explanation is given here. By the agency of Mäyä, the Lord's external potency, material nature is in a constant state of transformation, vikära. In one sense, then, material nature is "unreal," asat.

But because God is the supreme reality, and because He is present within all things and all things are His potency, material objects and energies possess a degree of reality.

Therefore some people see one aspect of material energy and think, "This is reality," while other people see a different aspect of material energy and think, "No, that is reality." Being conditioned souls, we are covered by different configurations of material nature, and thus we describe the Supreme Truth or the Supreme Lord in terms of our corrupted vision.
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It comes back to the idea that the world is real when seen as Brahman and not real (corrupted) when seen as otherwise. Duality and non-duality depend on each other, being simply the polar opposites of each other. I can acknowledge actinya bheda abheda yet also acknowledge the complete identity of Atman and Paramatman and too acknowledge the existence of the Saguna Brahman, the Supreme Personality, whether you want to call that Krishna or some other name. But this is because the presence of these concepts are peripheral to me during the state of contemplation, or brahmakara vritti.
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That is the Crux of this discussion! hf Blazen here!
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I am glad such philosophy is entering into your heart.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

All glories to Lord Krsna/Radha
All glories to Lord Jesus
All glories to the mighty-armed Arjuna
All glories to Lord Caitanya
All glories to his divine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Beware, Krsna's good devotee Maya has much power on GLP
Chant and be happy, OP
You are more blessed than any of us can understand
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:D

Maya loves GLP.
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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

All glories to Lord Krsna/Radha
All glories to Lord Jesus
All glories to the mighty-armed Arjuna
All glories to Lord Caitanya
All glories to his divine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Beware, Krsna's good devotee Maya has much power on GLP
Chant and be happy, OP
You are more blessed than any of us can understand
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1155040


You are more blessed than me! You have gotten to chant the holy names of the lord, and you understand the power of Maya!

I am a most fallen soul, and I could benefit by rendering service to a great devotee such as yourself.
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Saving..you are a wise being and not a fallen soul...well who am I to say that you are not...I might be a fallen soul...at least YOU know WHO you are.

Again..we speak. Originally on the Rodin Torus Vortex thread..Blazen. Your knowledge astounds me! hf
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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

All glories to Lord Krsna/Radha
All glories to Lord Jesus
All glories to the mighty-armed Arjuna
All glories to Lord Caitanya
All glories to his divine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Beware, Krsna's good devotee Maya has much power on GLP
Chant and be happy, OP
You are more blessed than any of us can understand
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1155040


You are more blessed than me! You have gotten to chant the holy names of the lord, and you understand the power of Maya!

I am a most fallen soul, and I could benefit by rendering service to a great devotee such as yourself.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Saving..you are a wise being and not a fallen soul...well who am I to say that you are not...I might be a fallen soul...at least YOU know WHO you are.

Again..we speak. Originally on the Rodin Torus Vortex thread..Blazen. Your knowledge astounds me! hf
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I am glad we could cross paths again!

I speak that I am a fallen soul, or else how could I have ended up entangled into this material world? I was not born into perfection.

I was indeed born into a Vaishnava family, and that means I must be taking up some path from a previous life, as that is the conclusion of the Vedas.


"In Bhagavad-gitä it is stated that even though a person engaged in the practice of the yoga system may not finish perfectly and may fall down for some reason or other, his next life as a human being is guaranteed. It is stated that such a person, who has fallen from the path of yoga practice, is given a chance in his next life to take birth in a very rich family or in a very pious family.

It is interpreted that "rich family" refers to a big mercantile family because generally people who engage in trades and mercantile business are very rich. One who engaged in the process of self-realization, or connecting with the Supreme Absolute Truth, but fell short is allowed to take birth in such a rich family, or he is allowed to take birth in the family of pious brahmanas; either way, he is guaranteed to appear in human society in his next life.

It can be concluded that if someone is not willing to enter into hellish life, as in Tämisra or Andha-tämisra, then he must take to the process of Krishna consciousness, which is the first-class yoga system, because even if one is unable to attain complete Krishna consciousness in this life, he is guaranteed at least to take his next birth in a human family.

He cannot be sent into a hellish condition. Krishna consciousness is the purest life, and it protects all human beings from gliding down to hell to take birth in a family of dogs or hogs."
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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If anyone wants to ask any scientific questions or any questions of any kind go ahead. No stone will be left unturned! There are no forbidden topics.


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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

All glories to Lord Krsna/Radha
All glories to Lord Jesus
All glories to the mighty-armed Arjuna
All glories to Lord Caitanya
All glories to his divine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Beware, Krsna's good devotee Maya has much power on GLP
Chant and be happy, OP
You are more blessed than any of us can understand
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1155040


You are more blessed than me! You have gotten to chant the holy names of the lord, and you understand the power of Maya!

I am a most fallen soul, and I could benefit by rendering service to a great devotee such as yourself.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Saving..you are a wise being and not a fallen soul...well who am I to say that you are not...I might be a fallen soul...at least YOU know WHO you are.

Again..we speak. Originally on the Rodin Torus Vortex thread..Blazen. Your knowledge astounds me! hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1258695



I am glad we could cross paths again!

I speak that I am a fallen soul, or else how could I have ended up entangled into this material world? I was not born into perfection.

I was indeed born into a Vaishnava family, and that means I must be taking up some path from a previous life, as that is the conclusion of the Vedas.


"In Bhagavad-gitä it is stated that even though a person engaged in the practice of the yoga system may not finish perfectly and may fall down for some reason or other, his next life as a human being is guaranteed. It is stated that such a person, who has fallen from the path of yoga practice, is given a chance in his next life to take birth in a very rich family or in a very pious family.

It is interpreted that "rich family" refers to a big mercantile family because generally people who engage in trades and mercantile business are very rich. One who engaged in the process of self-realization, or connecting with the Supreme Absolute Truth, but fell short is allowed to take birth in such a rich family, or he is allowed to take birth in the family of pious brahmanas; either way, he is guaranteed to appear in human society in his next life.

It can be concluded that if someone is not willing to enter into hellish life, as in Tämisra or Andha-tämisra, then he must take to the process of Krishna consciousness, which is the first-class yoga system, because even if one is unable to attain complete Krishna consciousness in this life, he is guaranteed at least to take his next birth in a human family.

He cannot be sent into a hellish condition. Krishna consciousness is the purest life, and it protects all human beings from gliding down to hell to take birth in a family of dogs or hogs."
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


I do not have your Vedic knowledge...I wish that I knew where I was along the path as you do.

I will tell you what I feel today and maybe you can tell me...I feel that I have to cram studying in every night to keep up with....something???? I feel physically drained, yet a beaming ray sometimes. I am sensitive and pretty much like to be alone...also an empath. I "physically" can feel dishonesty and lies in another person. Also moods and even ills or illness in another.

When I am around people...(although I am pleasant and nice to talk to)...at least lately, people feel like I am the cause of whatever they are feeling. I think that I (or my energy) brings this out in them. Two people recently blamed me for bad dreams and I have done nothing nor said anything to them to make that happen. What is up with that?????

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I should clarify about the people and their dreams...I had just started a new job with new people...I don't talk about anything but work related things....two people within 1 week of each other told me a dream that they had and both said...I never had a bad dream like that until you came here.

Believe me there is no animosity, we all like each other...I just find it weird that two people whom I truly like and they like me said that.

My bottom line question is...am I somehow unconsciously bringing this out in them. My thoughts are that I don't have a false ego...if I ever did it was a very weak one...anyway, I think I am affecting their (false) ego.
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Do you or have you ever eaten beef?
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I do not eat beef, and I have never eaten beef. My father and I follow a strict lacto-vegetarian diet.

Akasha records? the body is just a moment in the records... we have experienced a lot, some more so than others... and all is recorded in the Akasha records.

The Vedas believes in a hierarchy, a royalty of such, and there are 'sects'/classes...

this turned me off to the Vedas.

Opie, if I am wrong, please correct me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427405


The Vedas do not teach of Akashic records. All rememberance and forgetfulness are supplied by the Super Soul, who resides in the heart of every living entity. The Super Soul knows our every desire, and places us within the universe at the appropriate time and place.

The Vedic hierarchy is that there is only One Supreme Personality of Godhead, and that all the administrative entities of the Universe are subordinate to him.

Interesting post!

Here's a question: What is ego?
 Quoting: OmarEastwind



False ego means accepting this body as oneself. When one understands that he is not his body and is spirit soul, he comes to his real ego. Ego is there. False ego is condemned, but not real ego.

In the Vedic literature (Brhad-aaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.10) it is said, ahaà brahmäsmi: I am Brahman, I am spirit.

This "I am," the sense of self, also exists in the liberated stage of self-realization. This sense of "I am" is ego, but when the sense of "I am" is applied to this false body it is false ego.

When the sense of self is applied to reality, that is real ego. There are some philosophers who say we should give up our ego, but we cannot give up our ego, because ego means identity. We ought, of course, to give up the false identification with the body.


One more, if you don't mind: What is the relationship between the body and the Akasha?
 Quoting: OmarEastwind


Akasha (Akasa) is translated as "Sky" or basically Outer Space.

[link to vedabase.net]

Our body has no relationship to the Sky. Perhaps the term you are thinking of is something else?
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Very good answer regarding ego...thank you. My second question has been with me for many years, after reading a book on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. He said one should perform "samyama" on the relationship between the body and akasha...I've never understood that.
 Quoting: OmarEastwind


Samyama means restraint, or annihilation. It has to do with controlling the senses.

By restraint of senses, or annihilation of material senses, we can leave the Material Sky or Akasha and enter into the Infinite Spiritual Sky or Spiritual Akasha.

Would this be the same one that uses herbs and stuff with spritual treatmenst to cure poeple, very popular in INdia?.....:)P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1196679


You are speaking of Ayurveda, which was given to us by an Incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the Vedas which describe how to use Food for Medicine.

According to Ayurveda, the ancient medical system of the Vedas, given by the Lord in His form of Dhanvantari, cow’s milk is the most beneficial food. Lord Krishna Himself especially loves food offerings prepared with milk products.

From ghee (clarified butter), butter, yogurt, buttermilk, and of course milk itself, so many tasty and healthy preparations can be made. Even in our degraded Kali-yuga, the present Age of Quarrel, the cow’s by products are still very popular. Whether it’s milk on their cereals, cream in their coffee, ice-cream, yogurt, or lux-ury leather seats in their cars, most people still benefit from mother cow. Sadly, father bull, the symbol of religion, is cruelly slaughtered, because ox power is one of those so-called primitive practices that has been replaced by the tractor.

One more, if you don't mind: What is the relationship between the body and the Akasha?
 Quoting: OmarEastwind


Akasha records? the body is just a moment in the records... we have experienced a lot, some more so than others... and all is recorded in the Akasha records.

The Vedas believes in a hierarchy, a royalty of such, and there are 'sects'/classes...

this turned me off to the Vedas.

Opie, if I am wrong, please correct me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427405


the vedas do not believe in the hierarchy - what they do believe in, which of course was mistranslated by the wealthy and powerful - is that every "job" every station in life and time in life is to be respected, honored etc because all paths lead to the divine if the path is followed completely, reverentially, honorably etc etc etc...

in other words all paths lead to god. it is the OPPOSITE of how it has been translated. and of course, there are a ton of vedas...for differnt purposes and written at different times. You have to know who you are reading, which interpretation and which lineage they are from. Vaita or Advaita?

don't give up on the vedas - just understand that like most holy books, they were written by men, translated by men etc...but, there are still some - where the distortion has been kept to a minimum!

hope this helps - sorry OP I had to respond
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424050


This is not entirely correct either.

What the Vedas speak about is called Varnashram-dharma,

Varnashram-dharma is the division of society, socially and spiritually, into four varnas or occupations (Administrative, Protective, Merchant and Laborer) and four ashrams or spiritual schools (student, househoulder, renounciate and sannyäsa).

To maintain proper social order and help the citizens gradually progress toward the goal of life—namely spiritual understanding—the principles of varnashram-dharma must be accepted.


Everyone in society falls into one of these categories, and we have inherent qualities that allude to what stage we are on, because we are all on different stages of life.

But the point is that you are not BORN into a caste, but you are qualitatively selected, the same way when one enters into the US Military he has to take the ASVAB which determines where at in the service he will do his duty according to his propensities at the time.


Would this be the same one that uses herbs and stuff with spritual treatmenst to cure poeple, very popular in INdia?.....:)P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1196679


yes and no. you are referring to Ayurveda -which is a branch of the vedic teachings - but not specifically the "vedic" we refer to as the philosophy perse
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 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Why is Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita As It Is still - AFTER 40 FRIGGING YEARS [!!!!!!!!] still MISTRANSLATED in verse 18.44 where Lord Krishna speaks of krsi go-raksya, PROTECTION OF COWS, and the miscreants and "rascal editors" and demoniac hierarchy of so-called ISKCON continue to intentionally leave it wrongly as "CATTLE RAISING" which Prabhupada Himself stated in april, 1976 - and on many other occaisions - means "growing...and killing" and that it must be corrected?!!???? PRabhupada states that the "meaning is clear" yet go, which means cow; and raksya, which means protection are still, since 1972 left as the opposite, namely that killing of cows is promoted thru Krishna's treatise, not PROTECTION OF COWS??? Could we have an answer to that one?? And, what have YOU and YOUR FATHER done to rectify this problem?
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Do you or have you ever eaten beef?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427822


I do not eat beef, and I have never eaten beef. My father and I follow a strict lacto-vegetarian diet.

Akasha records? the body is just a moment in the records... we have experienced a lot, some more so than others... and all is recorded in the Akasha records.

The Vedas believes in a hierarchy, a royalty of such, and there are 'sects'/classes...

this turned me off to the Vedas.

Opie, if I am wrong, please correct me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427405


The Vedas do not teach of Akashic records. All rememberance and forgetfulness are supplied by the Super Soul, who resides in the heart of every living entity. The Super Soul knows our every desire, and places us within the universe at the appropriate time and place.

The Vedic hierarchy is that there is only One Supreme Personality of Godhead, and that all the administrative entities of the Universe are subordinate to him.

...



False ego means accepting this body as oneself. When one understands that he is not his body and is spirit soul, he comes to his real ego. Ego is there. False ego is condemned, but not real ego.

In the Vedic literature (Brhad-aaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.10) it is said, ahaà brahmäsmi: I am Brahman, I am spirit.

This "I am," the sense of self, also exists in the liberated stage of self-realization. This sense of "I am" is ego, but when the sense of "I am" is applied to this false body it is false ego.

When the sense of self is applied to reality, that is real ego. There are some philosophers who say we should give up our ego, but we cannot give up our ego, because ego means identity. We ought, of course, to give up the false identification with the body.


...


Akasha (Akasa) is translated as "Sky" or basically Outer Space.

[link to vedabase.net]

Our body has no relationship to the Sky. Perhaps the term you are thinking of is something else?
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Very good answer regarding ego...thank you. My second question has been with me for many years, after reading a book on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. He said one should perform "samyama" on the relationship between the body and akasha...I've never understood that.
 Quoting: OmarEastwind


Samyama means restraint, or annihilation. It has to do with controlling the senses.

By restraint of senses, or annihilation of material senses, we can leave the Material Sky or Akasha and enter into the Infinite Spiritual Sky or Spiritual Akasha.

Would this be the same one that uses herbs and stuff with spritual treatmenst to cure poeple, very popular in INdia?.....:)P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1196679


You are speaking of Ayurveda, which was given to us by an Incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the Vedas which describe how to use Food for Medicine.

According to Ayurveda, the ancient medical system of the Vedas, given by the Lord in His form of Dhanvantari, cow’s milk is the most beneficial food. Lord Krishna Himself especially loves food offerings prepared with milk products.

From ghee (clarified butter), butter, yogurt, buttermilk, and of course milk itself, so many tasty and healthy preparations can be made. Even in our degraded Kali-yuga, the present Age of Quarrel, the cow’s by products are still very popular. Whether it’s milk on their cereals, cream in their coffee, ice-cream, yogurt, or lux-ury leather seats in their cars, most people still benefit from mother cow. Sadly, father bull, the symbol of religion, is cruelly slaughtered, because ox power is one of those so-called primitive practices that has been replaced by the tractor.

...


Akasha records? the body is just a moment in the records... we have experienced a lot, some more so than others... and all is recorded in the Akasha records.

The Vedas believes in a hierarchy, a royalty of such, and there are 'sects'/classes...

this turned me off to the Vedas.

Opie, if I am wrong, please correct me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427405


the vedas do not believe in the hierarchy - what they do believe in, which of course was mistranslated by the wealthy and powerful - is that every "job" every station in life and time in life is to be respected, honored etc because all paths lead to the divine if the path is followed completely, reverentially, honorably etc etc etc...

in other words all paths lead to god. it is the OPPOSITE of how it has been translated. and of course, there are a ton of vedas...for differnt purposes and written at different times. You have to know who you are reading, which interpretation and which lineage they are from. Vaita or Advaita?

don't give up on the vedas - just understand that like most holy books, they were written by men, translated by men etc...but, there are still some - where the distortion has been kept to a minimum!

hope this helps - sorry OP I had to respond
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424050


This is not entirely correct either.

What the Vedas speak about is called Varnashram-dharma,

Varnashram-dharma is the division of society, socially and spiritually, into four varnas or occupations (Administrative, Protective, Merchant and Laborer) and four ashrams or spiritual schools (student, househoulder, renounciate and sannyäsa).

To maintain proper social order and help the citizens gradually progress toward the goal of life—namely spiritual understanding—the principles of varnashram-dharma must be accepted.


Everyone in society falls into one of these categories, and we have inherent qualities that allude to what stage we are on, because we are all on different stages of life.

But the point is that you are not BORN into a caste, but you are qualitatively selected, the same way when one enters into the US Military he has to take the ASVAB which determines where at in the service he will do his duty according to his propensities at the time.


Would this be the same one that uses herbs and stuff with spritual treatmenst to cure poeple, very popular in INdia?.....:)P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1196679


yes and no. you are referring to Ayurveda -which is a branch of the vedic teachings - but not specifically the "vedic" we refer to as the philosophy perse
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424050

 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Why is Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita As It Is still - AFTER 40 FRIGGING YEARS [!!!!!!!!] still MISTRANSLATED in verse 18.44 where Lord Krishna speaks of krsi go-raksya, PROTECTION OF COWS, and the miscreants and "rascal editors" and demoniac hierarchy of so-called ISKCON continue to intentionally leave it wrongly as "CATTLE RAISING" which Prabhupada Himself stated in april, 1976 - and on many other occaisions - means "growing...and killing" and that it must be corrected?!!???? PRabhupada states that the "meaning is clear" yet go, which means cow; and raksya, which means protection are still, since 1972 left as the opposite, namely that killing of cows is promoted thru Krishna's treatise, not PROTECTION OF COWS??? Could we have an answer to that one?? And, what have YOU and YOUR FATHER done to rectify this problem?
 Quoting: irasciblerasal 1428775




It doesn't make sense contextually. Krishna is a cow herd boy. He milks the cows, and he is also known as the protector of cows.

Cows are the mothers of civilization because through them we attain so many nice things that make it easier for us to live.


You state that Srila Prabhupada said that raksya means raising and killing.

Where did he state this? I have every lecture, and every letter, and every discourse Srila Prabhupada ever wrote, and in every version.

I have the Vedabase software, in multiple versions. I do not find him saying this.

Infact, in Johannesburg, October 17, 1975 he says in a lecture.


"
We are proud of our business, vaishya, but vaishya means krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaishya-karma svabhäva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. vaishya means they should take care of the cows, cow (go) protection (raksya), go-raksya. Why go-raksya? Why not other animal raksya? Krishna has not said "animal raksya" or "janawal-(?) raksya." Go-raksya. The cow is very, very important animal. If you want to advance your spiritual consciousness, then you must have sufficient milk and sufficient grains. That is civilization. Therefore it is the duty of the vaishyas to produce food grain. Annäd bhavanti bhütäni [Bg. 3.14]. Annäd. In the society, if you have got sufficient anna, both the animals and the man, they will be happy. These are the instruction in the Bhagavad-gita, everything practical. If we follow Bhagavad-gita from all angles of vision—social, political, economical, religious, cultural—you will be perfect. This is Bhagavad-gita. We are therefore taken up this mission, to preach Bhagavad-gita as it is to solve all the problems of the world. That is Aryan civilization. Aryan civilization means following the principles of Bhagavad-gita."

So I don't get where you claim that Srila Prabhupada called Raksya "raising and killing"

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Do you or have you ever eaten beef?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427822


I do not eat beef, and I have never eaten beef. My father and I follow a strict lacto-vegetarian diet.

Akasha records? the body is just a moment in the records... we have experienced a lot, some more so than others... and all is recorded in the Akasha records.

The Vedas believes in a hierarchy, a royalty of such, and there are 'sects'/classes...

this turned me off to the Vedas.

Opie, if I am wrong, please correct me.
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The Vedas do not teach of Akashic records. All rememberance and forgetfulness are supplied by the Super Soul, who resides in the heart of every living entity. The Super Soul knows our every desire, and places us within the universe at the appropriate time and place.

The Vedic hierarchy is that there is only One Supreme Personality of Godhead, and that all the administrative entities of the Universe are subordinate to him.

...


Very good answer regarding ego...thank you. My second question has been with me for many years, after reading a book on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. He said one should perform "samyama" on the relationship between the body and akasha...I've never understood that.
 Quoting: OmarEastwind


Samyama means restraint, or annihilation. It has to do with controlling the senses.

By restraint of senses, or annihilation of material senses, we can leave the Material Sky or Akasha and enter into the Infinite Spiritual Sky or Spiritual Akasha.

Would this be the same one that uses herbs and stuff with spritual treatmenst to cure poeple, very popular in INdia?.....:)P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1196679


You are speaking of Ayurveda, which was given to us by an Incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the Vedas which describe how to use Food for Medicine.

According to Ayurveda, the ancient medical system of the Vedas, given by the Lord in His form of Dhanvantari, cow’s milk is the most beneficial food. Lord Krishna Himself especially loves food offerings prepared with milk products.

From ghee (clarified butter), butter, yogurt, buttermilk, and of course milk itself, so many tasty and healthy preparations can be made. Even in our degraded Kali-yuga, the present Age of Quarrel, the cow’s by products are still very popular. Whether it’s milk on their cereals, cream in their coffee, ice-cream, yogurt, or lux-ury leather seats in their cars, most people still benefit from mother cow. Sadly, father bull, the symbol of religion, is cruelly slaughtered, because ox power is one of those so-called primitive practices that has been replaced by the tractor.

...


the vedas do not believe in the hierarchy - what they do believe in, which of course was mistranslated by the wealthy and powerful - is that every "job" every station in life and time in life is to be respected, honored etc because all paths lead to the divine if the path is followed completely, reverentially, honorably etc etc etc...

in other words all paths lead to god. it is the OPPOSITE of how it has been translated. and of course, there are a ton of vedas...for differnt purposes and written at different times. You have to know who you are reading, which interpretation and which lineage they are from. Vaita or Advaita?

don't give up on the vedas - just understand that like most holy books, they were written by men, translated by men etc...but, there are still some - where the distortion has been kept to a minimum!

hope this helps - sorry OP I had to respond
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This is not entirely correct either.

What the Vedas speak about is called Varnashram-dharma,

Varnashram-dharma is the division of society, socially and spiritually, into four varnas or occupations (Administrative, Protective, Merchant and Laborer) and four ashrams or spiritual schools (student, househoulder, renounciate and sannyäsa).

To maintain proper social order and help the citizens gradually progress toward the goal of life—namely spiritual understanding—the principles of varnashram-dharma must be accepted.


Everyone in society falls into one of these categories, and we have inherent qualities that allude to what stage we are on, because we are all on different stages of life.

But the point is that you are not BORN into a caste, but you are qualitatively selected, the same way when one enters into the US Military he has to take the ASVAB which determines where at in the service he will do his duty according to his propensities at the time.


...


yes and no. you are referring to Ayurveda -which is a branch of the vedic teachings - but not specifically the "vedic" we refer to as the philosophy perse
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 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Why is Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita As It Is still - AFTER 40 FRIGGING YEARS [!!!!!!!!] still MISTRANSLATED in verse 18.44 where Lord Krishna speaks of krsi go-raksya, PROTECTION OF COWS, and the miscreants and "rascal editors" and demoniac hierarchy of so-called ISKCON continue to intentionally leave it wrongly as "CATTLE RAISING" which Prabhupada Himself stated in april, 1976 - and on many other occaisions - means "growing...and killing" and that it must be corrected?!!???? PRabhupada states that the "meaning is clear" yet go, which means cow; and raksya, which means protection are still, since 1972 left as the opposite, namely that killing of cows is promoted thru Krishna's treatise, not PROTECTION OF COWS??? Could we have an answer to that one?? And, what have YOU and YOUR FATHER done to rectify this problem?
 Quoting: irasciblerasal 1428775




It doesn't make sense contextually. Krishna is a cow herd boy. He milks the cows, and he is also known as the protector of cows.

Cows are the mothers of civilization because through them we attain so many nice things that make it easier for us to live.


You state that Srila Prabhupada said that raksya means raising and killing.

Where did he state this? I have every lecture, and every letter, and every discourse Srila Prabhupada ever wrote, and in every version.

I have the Vedabase software, in multiple versions. I do not find him saying this.

Infact, in Johannesburg, October 17, 1975 he says in a lecture.


"
We are proud of our business, vaishya, but vaishya means krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaishya-karma svabhäva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. vaishya means they should take care of the cows, cow (go) protection (raksya), go-raksya. Why go-raksya? Why not other animal raksya? Krishna has not said "animal raksya" or "janawal-(?) raksya." Go-raksya. The cow is very, very important animal. If you want to advance your spiritual consciousness, then you must have sufficient milk and sufficient grains. That is civilization. Therefore it is the duty of the vaishyas to produce food grain. Annäd bhavanti bhütäni [Bg. 3.14]. Annäd. In the society, if you have got sufficient anna, both the animals and the man, they will be happy. These are the instruction in the Bhagavad-gita, everything practical. If we follow Bhagavad-gita from all angles of vision—social, political, economical, religious, cultural—you will be perfect. This is Bhagavad-gita. We are therefore taken up this mission, to preach Bhagavad-gita as it is to solve all the problems of the world. That is Aryan civilization. Aryan civilization means following the principles of Bhagavad-gita."

So I don't get where you claim that Srila Prabhupada called Raksya "raising and killing"
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


I believe he (or she) is referring to this.

[link to www.indiadivine.org]

Room Conversation Chicago, July 4, 1975 750704RC.CHI
krsi-goraksya-vanijyam
vaisya-karma svabhava-jam
paricaryatmakam karma
sudrasyapi svabhava-jam

"Farming, cattle raising and business are the qualities..."
Prabhupada: They are not cattle raising, that was...
Tamala Krsna: Cow protection.
Prabhupada: Cow protection. It has to be corrected. It is go-raksya, go.
They take it cattle-raising. I think Hayagriva has translated like this.
Tamala Krsna: Hayagriva.
Prabhupada: No, it is especially mentioned go-raksya.
Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam.


Interview Chicago, July 9, 1975 750709IV.CHI
krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam
vaisya-karma svabhava-jam
paricaryatmakam karma
sudrasyapi svabhava-jam

Prabhupada: That is fourth-class. First of all, third-class.
Nitai: Third-class: "Farming, cattle raising and business are the
qualities of work for the vaisyas,..."
Prabhupada: Not cattle raising, cow protection.
Nitai: Cow protection.
Prabhupada: Yes. Farming and cow protection and trade, this is meant for
the third-class division.


Morning Walk Melbourne, April 21, 1976 760421MW.MEL

Prabhupada: One thing immediately inform Ramesvara. In the Bhagavad-gita
yesterday they have edited "cattle-raising." But not cattle-raising.
Cattle-raising means to grow and killing. That is the.... Means the
rascals, they have edited.

Pusta Krsna: Yeah, and we're.... (interference)
Prabhupada: And "protection of cows," clearly.
Guru-krpa: Chapter Eighteen, Bhagavad-gita, that the vaisyas work...
Pusta Krsna: Oh, krsi-go-raksya.
Prabhupada: Ah, krsi-go-raksya. Immediately inform them.


Morning Walk Melbourne, April 21, 1976 760421MW.MEL

Prabhupada: Hayagriva edited. He thought, "cattle-raising." Not
"cattle-raising," but the word.... There.... It is mistranslation. It is
go-raksya, "giving protection to the cows." Especially mentioned,
go-raksya, not otherwise. The animal-eaters may take other animals, but
not cow. They can take the pig, goats, lambs, rabbits, so many others, if
they at all want to eat meat, birds, these so many. There is no such
mention that "Animals should be protected," no. "Cows should be
protected." That is Krsna's order. (break) They have decided to kill the
cow. They have decided, "No brain. Eat." And our prayer is
go-brahmana-hitaya ca, "to do good to the brahmanas and the cows."
Actually it is revolutionary to the modern age. But how it is possible we
say otherwise?
I am like the space which permeates all objects, and is yet undefiled. I am of the nature of Absolute Consciousness. I can now cognize my Reality to be no other than That.

Jnana Vashistha
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I do not eat beef, and I have never eaten beef. My father and I follow a strict lacto-vegetarian diet.

...


The Vedas do not teach of Akashic records. All rememberance and forgetfulness are supplied by the Super Soul, who resides in the heart of every living entity. The Super Soul knows our every desire, and places us within the universe at the appropriate time and place.

The Vedic hierarchy is that there is only One Supreme Personality of Godhead, and that all the administrative entities of the Universe are subordinate to him.

...


Samyama means restraint, or annihilation. It has to do with controlling the senses.

By restraint of senses, or annihilation of material senses, we can leave the Material Sky or Akasha and enter into the Infinite Spiritual Sky or Spiritual Akasha.

...


You are speaking of Ayurveda, which was given to us by an Incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the Vedas which describe how to use Food for Medicine.

According to Ayurveda, the ancient medical system of the Vedas, given by the Lord in His form of Dhanvantari, cow’s milk is the most beneficial food. Lord Krishna Himself especially loves food offerings prepared with milk products.

From ghee (clarified butter), butter, yogurt, buttermilk, and of course milk itself, so many tasty and healthy preparations can be made. Even in our degraded Kali-yuga, the present Age of Quarrel, the cow’s by products are still very popular. Whether it’s milk on their cereals, cream in their coffee, ice-cream, yogurt, or lux-ury leather seats in their cars, most people still benefit from mother cow. Sadly, father bull, the symbol of religion, is cruelly slaughtered, because ox power is one of those so-called primitive practices that has been replaced by the tractor.

...


This is not entirely correct either.

What the Vedas speak about is called Varnashram-dharma,

Varnashram-dharma is the division of society, socially and spiritually, into four varnas or occupations (Administrative, Protective, Merchant and Laborer) and four ashrams or spiritual schools (student, househoulder, renounciate and sannyäsa).

To maintain proper social order and help the citizens gradually progress toward the goal of life—namely spiritual understanding—the principles of varnashram-dharma must be accepted.


Everyone in society falls into one of these categories, and we have inherent qualities that allude to what stage we are on, because we are all on different stages of life.

But the point is that you are not BORN into a caste, but you are qualitatively selected, the same way when one enters into the US Military he has to take the ASVAB which determines where at in the service he will do his duty according to his propensities at the time.


...

 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Why is Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita As It Is still - AFTER 40 FRIGGING YEARS [!!!!!!!!] still MISTRANSLATED in verse 18.44 where Lord Krishna speaks of krsi go-raksya, PROTECTION OF COWS, and the miscreants and "rascal editors" and demoniac hierarchy of so-called ISKCON continue to intentionally leave it wrongly as "CATTLE RAISING" which Prabhupada Himself stated in april, 1976 - and on many other occaisions - means "growing...and killing" and that it must be corrected?!!???? PRabhupada states that the "meaning is clear" yet go, which means cow; and raksya, which means protection are still, since 1972 left as the opposite, namely that killing of cows is promoted thru Krishna's treatise, not PROTECTION OF COWS??? Could we have an answer to that one?? And, what have YOU and YOUR FATHER done to rectify this problem?
 Quoting: irasciblerasal 1428775




It doesn't make sense contextually. Krishna is a cow herd boy. He milks the cows, and he is also known as the protector of cows.

Cows are the mothers of civilization because through them we attain so many nice things that make it easier for us to live.


You state that Srila Prabhupada said that raksya means raising and killing.

Where did he state this? I have every lecture, and every letter, and every discourse Srila Prabhupada ever wrote, and in every version.

I have the Vedabase software, in multiple versions. I do not find him saying this.

Infact, in Johannesburg, October 17, 1975 he says in a lecture.


"
We are proud of our business, vaishya, but vaishya means krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaishya-karma svabhäva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. vaishya means they should take care of the cows, cow (go) protection (raksya), go-raksya. Why go-raksya? Why not other animal raksya? Krishna has not said "animal raksya" or "janawal-(?) raksya." Go-raksya. The cow is very, very important animal. If you want to advance your spiritual consciousness, then you must have sufficient milk and sufficient grains. That is civilization. Therefore it is the duty of the vaishyas to produce food grain. Annäd bhavanti bhütäni [Bg. 3.14]. Annäd. In the society, if you have got sufficient anna, both the animals and the man, they will be happy. These are the instruction in the Bhagavad-gita, everything practical. If we follow Bhagavad-gita from all angles of vision—social, political, economical, religious, cultural—you will be perfect. This is Bhagavad-gita. We are therefore taken up this mission, to preach Bhagavad-gita as it is to solve all the problems of the world. That is Aryan civilization. Aryan civilization means following the principles of Bhagavad-gita."

So I don't get where you claim that Srila Prabhupada called Raksya "raising and killing"
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


I believe he (or she) is referring to this.

[link to www.indiadivine.org]

Room Conversation Chicago, July 4, 1975 750704RC.CHI
krsi-goraksya-vanijyam
vaisya-karma svabhava-jam
paricaryatmakam karma
sudrasyapi svabhava-jam

"Farming, cattle raising and business are the qualities..."
Prabhupada: They are not cattle raising, that was...
Tamala Krsna: Cow protection.
Prabhupada: Cow protection. It has to be corrected. It is go-raksya, go.
They take it cattle-raising. I think Hayagriva has translated like this.
Tamala Krsna: Hayagriva.
Prabhupada: No, it is especially mentioned go-raksya.
Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam.


Interview Chicago, July 9, 1975 750709IV.CHI
krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam
vaisya-karma svabhava-jam
paricaryatmakam karma
sudrasyapi svabhava-jam

Prabhupada: That is fourth-class. First of all, third-class.
Nitai: Third-class: "Farming, cattle raising and business are the
qualities of work for the vaisyas,..."
Prabhupada: Not cattle raising, cow protection.
Nitai: Cow protection.
Prabhupada: Yes. Farming and cow protection and trade, this is meant for
the third-class division.


Morning Walk Melbourne, April 21, 1976 760421MW.MEL

Prabhupada: One thing immediately inform Ramesvara. In the Bhagavad-gita
yesterday they have edited "cattle-raising." But not cattle-raising.
Cattle-raising means to grow and killing. That is the.... Means the
rascals, they have edited.

Pusta Krsna: Yeah, and we're.... (interference)
Prabhupada: And "protection of cows," clearly.
Guru-krpa: Chapter Eighteen, Bhagavad-gita, that the vaisyas work...
Pusta Krsna: Oh, krsi-go-raksya.
Prabhupada: Ah, krsi-go-raksya. Immediately inform them.


Morning Walk Melbourne, April 21, 1976 760421MW.MEL

Prabhupada: Hayagriva edited. He thought, "cattle-raising." Not
"cattle-raising," but the word.... There.... It is mistranslation. It is
go-raksya, "giving protection to the cows." Especially mentioned,
go-raksya, not otherwise. The animal-eaters may take other animals, but
not cow. They can take the pig, goats, lambs, rabbits, so many others, if
they at all want to eat meat, birds, these so many. There is no such
mention that "Animals should be protected," no. "Cows should be
protected." That is Krsna's order. (break) They have decided to kill the
cow. They have decided, "No brain. Eat." And our prayer is
go-brahmana-hitaya ca, "to do good to the brahmanas and the cows."
Actually it is revolutionary to the modern age. But how it is possible we
say otherwise?
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist



Exactly. It's evident that he's saying.

Hayagriva edited, and thought raksya was "raising". It was not cattle raising.

"It is go-raksya, giving protection to the cows"



You can even go to the Sanskrit dictionary who has no affiliation to ISKCON and type in Raksya

[link to www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de]

1 rakSya mfn. to be guarded or protected or taken care of
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Good thread!
Thank you
and
Congratulations!

hf

one comment
i think the misinterpretation comes out of the notion of phonetic similarity of the words raksya and raising and of the understanding that the english word raising is connected to the verb rising, and while growing is in sanskrit rohati, rudhati, it escaped that raising in english does not mean only growing and rising, but also killing.
Yet the word raksya does not really mean raising, it means guarding, saving, keeping safe
the reason for this misinterpretation i think is that
the phonetics and semantics of sanskrit are organicaly interwoven and similar sounds have similar meaning


another comment
you said you follow the teachings of Prabhupada and count 432000 years for Kali yuga. Do you know of the interpretation of Sri Yukteswar, who explained the long cycle as an error of the Kali yuga and counted 26000 years of the whole cycle, for he connected it with the precession of the earth's axis and thus he counted 12000 years for the Satya yuga and 2400 years for the Kali yuga. Combining Kali yuga wih the zodiac sign of the fish? It is very well explained in his Holly science, if you are interested.

and another comment
You say that sanskrit is the oldest language, but actually, it is a descendant of the older language, which is called vedic and is not the same as sanskrit, which culminated with Panini and his grammar perfection. Sanskrit still preserves the vedic roots, but has invented new ways of using them. so in some respect, languages as slovene or lithuanian are as close to the vedic language as sanskrit, although they have lost some of the organic coherence because their grammar was shaped after the degraded languages as latin and german.

and a question
You speak of the vedas "as they really are", but in the vedas there is not much talk of Krsna the black one. The Vedas speak mostly of Yama, Agni, Soma, Manu and Indra, while Brahman, Purusha and Atman come forth in the upanishads. Yet Krisna appears if i m not mistaken, only in the Mahabharata. What is your take on that?

Thank you for comments and explanations!
Keep on the good work!
May the melody of Krsna's flute guide you softly and swiftly towards your soul's goals!
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There are some philosophers who say we should give up our ego, but we cannot give up our ego, because ego means identity. We ought, of course, to give up the false identification with the body.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Is our DEEP sleep giving up our ego daily?


Full of Eternity, Knowledge, and Bliss.
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Why is there NO difference implied, in Vedas/Vedanta between Knowing and Being, as far as I know? Or what is the difference between both?
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Good thread!
Thank you
and
Congratulations!

hf

one comment
i think the misinterpretation comes out of the notion of phonetic similarity of the words raksya and raising and of the understanding that the english word raising is connected to the verb rising, and while growing is in sanskrit rohati, rudhati, it escaped that raising in english does not mean only growing and rising, but also killing.
Yet the word raksya does not really mean raising, it means guarding, saving, keeping safe
the reason for this misinterpretation i think is that
the phonetics and semantics of sanskrit are organicaly interwoven and similar sounds have similar meaning


another comment
you said you follow the teachings of Prabhupada and count 432000 years for Kali yuga. Do you know of the interpretation of Sri Yukteswar, who explained the long cycle as an error of the Kali yuga and counted 26000 years of the whole cycle, for he connected it with the precession of the earth's axis and thus he counted 12000 years for the Satya yuga and 2400 years for the Kali yuga. Combining Kali yuga wih the zodiac sign of the fish? It is very well explained in his Holly science, if you are interested.

and another comment
You say that sanskrit is the oldest language, but actually, it is a descendant of the older language, which is called vedic and is not the same as sanskrit, which culminated with Panini and his grammar perfection. Sanskrit still preserves the vedic roots, but has invented new ways of using them. so in some respect, languages as slovene or lithuanian are as close to the vedic language as sanskrit, although they have lost some of the organic coherence because their grammar was shaped after the degraded languages as latin and german.

and a question
You speak of the vedas "as they really are", but in the vedas there is not much talk of Krsna the black one. The Vedas speak mostly of Yama, Agni, Soma, Manu and Indra, while Brahman, Purusha and Atman come forth in the upanishads. Yet Krisna appears if i m not mistaken, only in the Mahabharata. What is your take on that?

Thank you for comments and explanations!
Keep on the good work!
May the melody of Krsna's flute guide you softly and swiftly towards your soul's goals!
stoner
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I have read Sri Yukteswars Holy Science and I understand his argument, but I do not accept it.

It is quite plainly stated the duration of time, and the duration of the Yugas.

2 Ayanas in a year, and this is the the day and night of the demigods.

360 days compose a year of the demigods, so 360 years is the duration of 1 day of the demigods.

The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods; the duration of the Treta millennium equals 3600 years of the demigods; the duration of the Dväpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods.

As aforementioned, one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the Treta-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the Dvapara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years. And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years.


This is Shastric, and accepted as authority.




My comment on Sanskrit being the oldest language is also Shastric.

Vishnu imparted the Vedas into the heart of Lord Brahma at the time of creation, and Lord Brahma disseminated this to his children in spoken Sanskrit. Thus Sanskrit dates back to the Creation of the Universe.




If the Puranas are scrutinized and studied it will be found that Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the only object of worship. For example, in the Markandeya Purana, there is mention of Devi worship, worship of the goddess Durga or Kali. But in that same Chandika it is also stated that all these demigds—whether in the shape of Durga or Kali—are different energies of Vishnu. Therefore, even the study of the Puranas will reveal Vishnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, to be the only object of worship. The conclusion is that directly or indirectly all types of worship are more or less indicating a worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna. In the Bhagavad Gita it is confirmed that anyone who worships other demigods is in fact only worshipping Krishna because the demigods are different parts of the body of Vishnu or Krishna.

Plus Krishna spoke the Bhagavad-gita and stated he is the Origin of all Origins.

All 3 Vishnus originate from him.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Is our DEEP sleep giving up our ego daily?

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In deep sleep one occupies the causal body. There is no longer consciousness of the world or of self: there is consciousness of this lack, however.

The ego is in abeyance in deep sleep but it is not removed during it; when you wake up you can say "I had a great sleep last night." This I who slept great has emerged again - it never left.
I am like the space which permeates all objects, and is yet undefiled. I am of the nature of Absolute Consciousness. I can now cognize my Reality to be no other than That.

Jnana Vashistha

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