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Full, Clear, Concise Answers given in the context of >>Vedic Knowledge<<. This Is Vedic Knowledge. Ask me any question?

 
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Is our DEEP sleep giving up our ego daily?

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In deep sleep one occupies the causal body. There is no longer consciousness of the world or of self: there is consciousness of this lack, however.

The ego is in abeyance in deep sleep but it is not removed during it; when you wake up you can say "I had a great sleep last night." This I who slept great has emerged again - it never left.
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I hear you ... but is the deep-sleep-kind of identity our real identity in this world?
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There are some philosophers who say we should give up our ego, but we cannot give up our ego, because ego means identity. We ought, of course, to give up the false identification with the body.
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Is our DEEP sleep giving up our ego daily?


Full of Eternity, Knowledge, and Bliss.
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Why is there NO difference implied, in Vedas/Vedanta between Knowing and Being, as far as I know? Or what is the difference between both?
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Deep Sleep is considered ignorance, and we are forgetful of our real identity in deep sleep, and false ego is defined as thinking the self the body. Real Ego is knowing you are the spirit soul. Ego means identity.



What is the purpose of the word jugglery of Knowing and Being? This abstract use of word jugglery does not give you knowledge.


Knowing means obtaining Knowledge.

Being means having existence.

We have eternal existence as the Spirit Soul, but our knowledge substance for Knowing is very minimal.

We must obtain more knowledge and this knowledge can be found in the Vedas, which is a sanskrit words that means "Knowledge".
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Good night everyone, I am going to bed.

Great questions tonight, I enjoy answering them because it allows me to hone my knowledge.

I will answer any questions when I wake up in the morning!

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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What is the purpose of the word jugglery of Knowing and Being? This abstract use of word jugglery does not give you knowledge.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Too often I was confronted with interchanging of both. I am glad you do not confuse it too.

Spirit in body (being) is the soul(knowing).
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Good thread!
Thank you
and
Congratulations!

hf

one comment
i think the misinterpretation comes out of the notion of phonetic similarity of the words raksya and raising and of the understanding that the english word raising is connected to the verb rising, and while growing is in sanskrit rohati, rudhati, it escaped that raising in english does not mean only growing and rising, but also killing.
Yet the word raksya does not really mean raising, it means guarding, saving, keeping safe
the reason for this misinterpretation i think is that
the phonetics and semantics of sanskrit are organicaly interwoven and similar sounds have similar meaning


another comment
you said you follow the teachings of Prabhupada and count 432000 years for Kali yuga. Do you know of the interpretation of Sri Yukteswar, who explained the long cycle as an error of the Kali yuga and counted 26000 years of the whole cycle, for he connected it with the precession of the earth's axis and thus he counted 12000 years for the Satya yuga and 2400 years for the Kali yuga. Combining Kali yuga wih the zodiac sign of the fish? It is very well explained in his Holly science, if you are interested.

and another comment
You say that sanskrit is the oldest language, but actually, it is a descendant of the older language, which is called vedic and is not the same as sanskrit, which culminated with Panini and his grammar perfection. Sanskrit still preserves the vedic roots, but has invented new ways of using them. so in some respect, languages as slovene or lithuanian are as close to the vedic language as sanskrit, although they have lost some of the organic coherence because their grammar was shaped after the degraded languages as latin and german.

and a question
You speak of the vedas "as they really are", but in the vedas there is not much talk of Krsna the black one. The Vedas speak mostly of Yama, Agni, Soma, Manu and Indra, while Brahman, Purusha and Atman come forth in the upanishads. Yet Krisna appears if i m not mistaken, only in the Mahabharata. What is your take on that?

Thank you for comments and explanations!
Keep on the good work!
May the melody of Krsna's flute guide you softly and swiftly towards your soul's goals!
stoner
 Quoting: a 1427627




I have read Sri Yukteswars Holy Science and I understand his argument, but I do not accept it.

It is quite plainly stated the duration of time, and the duration of the Yugas.

2 Ayanas in a year, and this is the the day and night of the demigods.

360 days compose a year of the demigods, so 360 years is the duration of 1 day of the demigods.

The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods; the duration of the Treta millennium equals 3600 years of the demigods; the duration of the Dväpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods.

As aforementioned, one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the Treta-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the Dvapara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years. And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years.


This is Shastric, and accepted as authority.




My comment on Sanskrit being the oldest language is also Shastric.

Vishnu imparted the Vedas into the heart of Lord Brahma at the time of creation, and Lord Brahma disseminated this to his children in spoken Sanskrit. Thus Sanskrit dates back to the Creation of the Universe.




If the Puranas are scrutinized and studied it will be found that Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the only object of worship. For example, in the Markandeya Purana, there is mention of Devi worship, worship of the goddess Durga or Kali. But in that same Chandika it is also stated that all these demigds—whether in the shape of Durga or Kali—are different energies of Vishnu. Therefore, even the study of the Puranas will reveal Vishnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, to be the only object of worship. The conclusion is that directly or indirectly all types of worship are more or less indicating a worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna. In the Bhagavad Gita it is confirmed that anyone who worships other demigods is in fact only worshipping Krishna because the demigods are different parts of the body of Vishnu or Krishna.

Plus Krishna spoke the Bhagavad-gita and stated he is the Origin of all Origins.

All 3 Vishnus originate from him.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


well, i must admit that you did no convince me in any of these points. hope you dont mind if i stick to my understanding of the subject. But i agree on most of the rest and i still support this thread and i think you are on the right path. if you carry on with such vigour, you will gather a lot of knowledge when you will double your age and be as old as i am now. You will maybe also change some of your present opinions, but that does not mean you re wrong now, it is an attribute of life, to develope mentally and spiritually

Best wishes!
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OP, you are very knowledgeable and intelligent.
I myself did not know a lot of what you said; but then again I have not read the vedas.

hf
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Good thread!
Thank you
and
Congratulations!

hf

one comment
i think the misinterpretation comes out of the notion of phonetic similarity of the words raksya and raising and of the understanding that the english word raising is connected to the verb rising, and while growing is in sanskrit rohati, rudhati, it escaped that raising in english does not mean only growing and rising, but also killing.
Yet the word raksya does not really mean raising, it means guarding, saving, keeping safe
the reason for this misinterpretation i think is that
the phonetics and semantics of sanskrit are organicaly interwoven and similar sounds have similar meaning


another comment
you said you follow the teachings of Prabhupada and count 432000 years for Kali yuga. Do you know of the interpretation of Sri Yukteswar, who explained the long cycle as an error of the Kali yuga and counted 26000 years of the whole cycle, for he connected it with the precession of the earth's axis and thus he counted 12000 years for the Satya yuga and 2400 years for the Kali yuga. Combining Kali yuga wih the zodiac sign of the fish? It is very well explained in his Holly science, if you are interested.

and another comment
You say that sanskrit is the oldest language, but actually, it is a descendant of the older language, which is called vedic and is not the same as sanskrit, which culminated with Panini and his grammar perfection. Sanskrit still preserves the vedic roots, but has invented new ways of using them. so in some respect, languages as slovene or lithuanian are as close to the vedic language as sanskrit, although they have lost some of the organic coherence because their grammar was shaped after the degraded languages as latin and german.

and a question
You speak of the vedas "as they really are", but in the vedas there is not much talk of Krsna the black one. The Vedas speak mostly of Yama, Agni, Soma, Manu and Indra, while Brahman, Purusha and Atman come forth in the upanishads. Yet Krisna appears if i m not mistaken, only in the Mahabharata. What is your take on that?

Thank you for comments and explanations!
Keep on the good work!
May the melody of Krsna's flute guide you softly and swiftly towards your soul's goals!
stoner
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the only reason they've kept it as cattle raising in Bhagavad-gita is because they are demonic and wish to promote raising and killing of cows instead of their protection; because demons have usurped the Hare Krishna movement.
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OP can you help me identify this illustration? Clearly a horse on the clouds, but what's on the saddle, and what is this from in the first place?

[link removed by me]

I just found this little piece of cloth half an hour ago but it's from something my father left me and he's currently unreachable, probably in a cave somewhere in Nepal (my father too put me onto the Bhagavad Gita at the ripe age of 10, and I have been an aspirant since) . It's on a very delicate, green cloth with six other illustrations that are less coherent. I'll spend some leisure time over the next few months translating into the English alphabet (not language). Hopefully you can save me some time, if you recognize it.

Sorry, the picture is not the most high fidelity image possible these days.

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I am like the space which permeates all objects, and is yet undefiled. I am of the nature of Absolute Consciousness. I can now cognize my Reality to be no other than That.

Jnana Vashistha
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Good thread!
Thank you
and
Congratulations!

hf

one comment
i think the misinterpretation comes out of the notion of phonetic similarity of the words raksya and raising and of the understanding that the english word raising is connected to the verb rising, and while growing is in sanskrit rohati, rudhati, it escaped that raising in english does not mean only growing and rising, but also killing.
Yet the word raksya does not really mean raising, it means guarding, saving, keeping safe
the reason for this misinterpretation i think is that
the phonetics and semantics of sanskrit are organicaly interwoven and similar sounds have similar meaning


another comment
you said you follow the teachings of Prabhupada and count 432000 years for Kali yuga. Do you know of the interpretation of Sri Yukteswar, who explained the long cycle as an error of the Kali yuga and counted 26000 years of the whole cycle, for he connected it with the precession of the earth's axis and thus he counted 12000 years for the Satya yuga and 2400 years for the Kali yuga. Combining Kali yuga wih the zodiac sign of the fish? It is very well explained in his Holly science, if you are interested.

and another comment
You say that sanskrit is the oldest language, but actually, it is a descendant of the older language, which is called vedic and is not the same as sanskrit, which culminated with Panini and his grammar perfection. Sanskrit still preserves the vedic roots, but has invented new ways of using them. so in some respect, languages as slovene or lithuanian are as close to the vedic language as sanskrit, although they have lost some of the organic coherence because their grammar was shaped after the degraded languages as latin and german.

and a question
You speak of the vedas "as they really are", but in the vedas there is not much talk of Krsna the black one. The Vedas speak mostly of Yama, Agni, Soma, Manu and Indra, while Brahman, Purusha and Atman come forth in the upanishads. Yet Krisna appears if i m not mistaken, only in the Mahabharata. What is your take on that?

Thank you for comments and explanations!
Keep on the good work!
May the melody of Krsna's flute guide you softly and swiftly towards your soul's goals!
stoner
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I have read Sri Yukteswars Holy Science and I understand his argument, but I do not accept it.

It is quite plainly stated the duration of time, and the duration of the Yugas.

2 Ayanas in a year, and this is the the day and night of the demigods.

360 days compose a year of the demigods, so 360 years is the duration of 1 day of the demigods.

The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods; the duration of the Treta millennium equals 3600 years of the demigods; the duration of the Dväpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods.

As aforementioned, one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the Treta-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the Dvapara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years. And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years.


This is Shastric, and accepted as authority.




My comment on Sanskrit being the oldest language is also Shastric.

Vishnu imparted the Vedas into the heart of Lord Brahma at the time of creation, and Lord Brahma disseminated this to his children in spoken Sanskrit. Thus Sanskrit dates back to the Creation of the Universe.




If the Puranas are scrutinized and studied it will be found that Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the only object of worship. For example, in the Markandeya Purana, there is mention of Devi worship, worship of the goddess Durga or Kali. But in that same Chandika it is also stated that all these demigds—whether in the shape of Durga or Kali—are different energies of Vishnu. Therefore, even the study of the Puranas will reveal Vishnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, to be the only object of worship. The conclusion is that directly or indirectly all types of worship are more or less indicating a worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna. In the Bhagavad Gita it is confirmed that anyone who worships other demigods is in fact only worshipping Krishna because the demigods are different parts of the body of Vishnu or Krishna.

Plus Krishna spoke the Bhagavad-gita and stated he is the Origin of all Origins.

All 3 Vishnus originate from him.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


well, i must admit that you did no convince me in any of these points. hope you dont mind if i stick to my understanding of the subject. But i agree on most of the rest and i still support this thread and i think you are on the right path. if you carry on with such vigour, you will gather a lot of knowledge when you will double your age and be as old as i am now. You will maybe also change some of your present opinions, but that does not mean you re wrong now, it is an attribute of life, to develope mentally and spiritually

Best wishes!
stoner
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Again I understand your point of view, but I have to accept statements of the Vedas for the facts. There is no interpretation, that much is clear.

My father is more than double my age, and his acceptance of the statements of the Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita have only gotten deeper.

There are many Acharyas who are many many times my Age, but they have accepted the statements of Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita.

We are not in the business of manufacturing knowledge, only accept knowledge from the perfect source.


Why do you accept Sri Yukteswars version of the Yugas given in the Holy Science?


He says we are in Dvapara yuga, and gradually ascending back up to Treta yuga, then Satya yuga.

What are the symptoms of us being in Kali Yuga?

Isnt't here supposed to be a Yuga avatar? Where is the Yuga Avatar?

How do we calculate when the Yuga avatars are coming, when Sri Yukteswar takes the calculation of the ages and butchers them by turning them into human years?


These are questions I've had about the Sri Yukteswars version, that have never been answered. I find by sticking with the accepted version of the Vedas, I can make much more progress and prevent myself from being bewildered further.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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OP can you help me identify this illustration? Clearly a horse on the clouds, but what's on the saddle, and what is this from in the first place?

[link to img155.imageshack.us]

I just found this little piece of cloth half an hour ago but it's from something my father left me and he's currently unreachable, probably in a cave somewhere in Nepal (my father too put me onto the Bhagavad Gita at the ripe age of 10, and I have been an aspirant since) . It's on a very delicate, green cloth with six other illustrations that are less coherent. I'll spend some leisure time over the next few months translating into the English alphabet (not language). Hopefully you can save me some time, if you recognize it.

Sorry, the picture is not the most high fidelity image possible these days.
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist


Hrm. It is quite hard to make it, as there is not a whole lot of detail.

But to me, the subject on the horse almost appears to be lesser headed Ananta Sesha.

[link to www.indianetzone.com]

Sometimes he has 5 heads, sometimes he has 7 heads.

It's quite hard to make out if they are snake heads or just figure placeholders.

Do you have other images that might make it easier to keep in context or is that the only one?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Good thread!
Thank you
and
Congratulations!

hf

one comment
i think the misinterpretation comes out of the notion of phonetic similarity of the words raksya and raising and of the understanding that the english word raising is connected to the verb rising, and while growing is in sanskrit rohati, rudhati, it escaped that raising in english does not mean only growing and rising, but also killing.
Yet the word raksya does not really mean raising, it means guarding, saving, keeping safe
the reason for this misinterpretation i think is that
the phonetics and semantics of sanskrit are organicaly interwoven and similar sounds have similar meaning


another comment
you said you follow the teachings of Prabhupada and count 432000 years for Kali yuga. Do you know of the interpretation of Sri Yukteswar, who explained the long cycle as an error of the Kali yuga and counted 26000 years of the whole cycle, for he connected it with the precession of the earth's axis and thus he counted 12000 years for the Satya yuga and 2400 years for the Kali yuga. Combining Kali yuga wih the zodiac sign of the fish? It is very well explained in his Holly science, if you are interested.

and another comment
You say that sanskrit is the oldest language, but actually, it is a descendant of the older language, which is called vedic and is not the same as sanskrit, which culminated with Panini and his grammar perfection. Sanskrit still preserves the vedic roots, but has invented new ways of using them. so in some respect, languages as slovene or lithuanian are as close to the vedic language as sanskrit, although they have lost some of the organic coherence because their grammar was shaped after the degraded languages as latin and german.

and a question
You speak of the vedas "as they really are", but in the vedas there is not much talk of Krsna the black one. The Vedas speak mostly of Yama, Agni, Soma, Manu and Indra, while Brahman, Purusha and Atman come forth in the upanishads. Yet Krisna appears if i m not mistaken, only in the Mahabharata. What is your take on that?

Thank you for comments and explanations!
Keep on the good work!
May the melody of Krsna's flute guide you softly and swiftly towards your soul's goals!
stoner
 Quoting: a 1427627




I have read Sri Yukteswars Holy Science and I understand his argument, but I do not accept it.

It is quite plainly stated the duration of time, and the duration of the Yugas.

2 Ayanas in a year, and this is the the day and night of the demigods.

360 days compose a year of the demigods, so 360 years is the duration of 1 day of the demigods.

The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods; the duration of the Treta millennium equals 3600 years of the demigods; the duration of the Dväpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods.

As aforementioned, one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the Treta-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the Dvapara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years. And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years.


This is Shastric, and accepted as authority.




My comment on Sanskrit being the oldest language is also Shastric.

Vishnu imparted the Vedas into the heart of Lord Brahma at the time of creation, and Lord Brahma disseminated this to his children in spoken Sanskrit. Thus Sanskrit dates back to the Creation of the Universe.




If the Puranas are scrutinized and studied it will be found that Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the only object of worship. For example, in the Markandeya Purana, there is mention of Devi worship, worship of the goddess Durga or Kali. But in that same Chandika it is also stated that all these demigds—whether in the shape of Durga or Kali—are different energies of Vishnu. Therefore, even the study of the Puranas will reveal Vishnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, to be the only object of worship. The conclusion is that directly or indirectly all types of worship are more or less indicating a worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna. In the Bhagavad Gita it is confirmed that anyone who worships other demigods is in fact only worshipping Krishna because the demigods are different parts of the body of Vishnu or Krishna.

Plus Krishna spoke the Bhagavad-gita and stated he is the Origin of all Origins.

All 3 Vishnus originate from him.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


well, i must admit that you did no convince me in any of these points. hope you dont mind if i stick to my understanding of the subject. But i agree on most of the rest and i still support this thread and i think you are on the right path. if you carry on with such vigour, you will gather a lot of knowledge when you will double your age and be as old as i am now. You will maybe also change some of your present opinions, but that does not mean you re wrong now, it is an attribute of life, to develope mentally and spiritually

Best wishes!
stoner
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Again I understand your point of view, but I have to accept statements of the Vedas for the facts. There is no interpretation, that much is clear.

My father is more than double my age, and his acceptance of the statements of the Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita have only gotten deeper.

There are many Acharyas who are many many times my Age, but they have accepted the statements of Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita.

We are not in the business of manufacturing knowledge, only accept knowledge from the perfect source.


Why do you accept Sri Yukteswars version of the Yugas given in the Holy Science?


He says we are in Dvapara yuga, and gradually ascending back up to Treta yuga, then Satya yuga.

What are the symptoms of us being in Kali Yuga?

Isnt't here supposed to be a Yuga avatar? Where is the Yuga Avatar?

How do we calculate when the Yuga avatars are coming, when Sri Yukteswar takes the calculation of the ages and butchers them by turning them into human years?


These are questions I've had about the Sri Yukteswars version, that have never been answered. I find by sticking with the accepted version of the Vedas, I can make much more progress and prevent myself from being bewildered further.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


well, if this is supposed to be an age somewhere at the start of the kali yuga, and we are going only deeper into destruction, i dont see a long perspective for anyone, not only humans. for the next 5000 years there are still going to be gurus, as you say, but i dont see much longer than 50 if the main course wont change dramatically soon.

on the other hand, there has been some positive development happening, connected to information age, which means, that things are exhilerating in many directions and ways.

one of the most frustrating things in the fish sign, or the kali yuga of the understanding of Sri Yuktesvar, is the absence of real knowledge. that age is nearing the end. there is awful a lot of disinformation around the world and purposeful manipulation, but that only exhilerates the information. you might say we dont need superfluous information, and that is true, but consider, how much effort was used for hiding written sources from unwanted acces during history. but now, we can read the entire greco roman history, we can read the vedas everywhere and the egyptian sacred texts and the mayan codices, the hopi prophecies etc.

there is plenty of misinformation too, as i said and most people are manipulated into watching stupefying tv, but the fact of accesability of all this sacred information remains and it is enlightening, as leading to enlightement and not towards an even darker age.

consider also the development in science. i agree it has been heavily abused in misused, but the fact remains, that
many things have been explored and also help to understand the vedas better.

in our country, the knowledge about slovene sanskrit parallels are only slowly coming to the consciousness of people and that certainly is spiritual development and not decline.

as Sri Yuktesvar described the yugas, the kali is into the material, the dwapara into electricity, the treta into magnetism and satya into divine knowledge.
we could say we are living in an increasingly electrical age, couldnt we?

Also, i cannot believe of a possibility of a such a long tradition, namely such precise spiritual and astronomical truths to be kept for so many hundred thousand years, so that people would remember the proper yuga system.

it is much more convincing to accept the possibility of a several ten thousand year old tradition, that could keep trace of the axis precession cycle, namely 26000 years. this is imo realistic.

you speak of an avatar, but first, we would have to exaimine the phenomenon of spiritual teachers and mythological beings, because if i remember right, some of the sanatana avatars are supposed to be mythological beings.

was the Buddha an avatar in your opinion? or jesus?
how do other religions fit in?
it is no coincidence, that sri Yuktesvar wrote the Holly science as a comparison of the vedas and the new testament, where he proved, that same spiritual messages are the essence of both scripts.

the vedas are probably the most precious of all religious traditions, but also other ancient religions have values and are complementary with the vedas.
the egyptian religion was highly sophisticated and put a lot of focus on the fish symbol connected with the dark age. christianity itself was symbolised by a fish.

and so on...

i ll go off the comp now for a few hours, so you dont have to hurry with your comment

Namaste
hf
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I have read Sri Yukteswars Holy Science and I understand his argument, but I do not accept it.

It is quite plainly stated the duration of time, and the duration of the Yugas.

2 Ayanas in a year, and this is the the day and night of the demigods.

360 days compose a year of the demigods, so 360 years is the duration of 1 day of the demigods.

The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods; the duration of the Treta millennium equals 3600 years of the demigods; the duration of the Dväpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods.

As aforementioned, one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the Treta-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the Dvapara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years. And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years.


This is Shastric, and accepted as authority.




My comment on Sanskrit being the oldest language is also Shastric.

Vishnu imparted the Vedas into the heart of Lord Brahma at the time of creation, and Lord Brahma disseminated this to his children in spoken Sanskrit. Thus Sanskrit dates back to the Creation of the Universe.




If the Puranas are scrutinized and studied it will be found that Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the only object of worship. For example, in the Markandeya Purana, there is mention of Devi worship, worship of the goddess Durga or Kali. But in that same Chandika it is also stated that all these demigds—whether in the shape of Durga or Kali—are different energies of Vishnu. Therefore, even the study of the Puranas will reveal Vishnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, to be the only object of worship. The conclusion is that directly or indirectly all types of worship are more or less indicating a worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna. In the Bhagavad Gita it is confirmed that anyone who worships other demigods is in fact only worshipping Krishna because the demigods are different parts of the body of Vishnu or Krishna.

Plus Krishna spoke the Bhagavad-gita and stated he is the Origin of all Origins.

All 3 Vishnus originate from him.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


well, i must admit that you did no convince me in any of these points. hope you dont mind if i stick to my understanding of the subject. But i agree on most of the rest and i still support this thread and i think you are on the right path. if you carry on with such vigour, you will gather a lot of knowledge when you will double your age and be as old as i am now. You will maybe also change some of your present opinions, but that does not mean you re wrong now, it is an attribute of life, to develope mentally and spiritually

Best wishes!
stoner
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Again I understand your point of view, but I have to accept statements of the Vedas for the facts. There is no interpretation, that much is clear.

My father is more than double my age, and his acceptance of the statements of the Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita have only gotten deeper.

There are many Acharyas who are many many times my Age, but they have accepted the statements of Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita.

We are not in the business of manufacturing knowledge, only accept knowledge from the perfect source.


Why do you accept Sri Yukteswars version of the Yugas given in the Holy Science?


He says we are in Dvapara yuga, and gradually ascending back up to Treta yuga, then Satya yuga.

What are the symptoms of us being in Kali Yuga?

Isnt't here supposed to be a Yuga avatar? Where is the Yuga Avatar?

How do we calculate when the Yuga avatars are coming, when Sri Yukteswar takes the calculation of the ages and butchers them by turning them into human years?


These are questions I've had about the Sri Yukteswars version, that have never been answered. I find by sticking with the accepted version of the Vedas, I can make much more progress and prevent myself from being bewildered further.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


well, if this is supposed to be an age somewhere at the start of the kali yuga, and we are going only deeper into destruction, i dont see a long perspective for anyone, not only humans. for the next 5000 years there are still going to be gurus, as you say, but i dont see much longer than 50 if the main course wont change dramatically soon.

on the other hand, there has been some positive development happening, connected to information age, which means, that things are exhilerating in many directions and ways.

one of the most frustrating things in the fish sign, or the kali yuga of the understanding of Sri Yuktesvar, is the absence of real knowledge. that age is nearing the end. there is awful a lot of disinformation around the world and purposeful manipulation, but that only exhilerates the information. you might say we dont need superfluous information, and that is true, but consider, how much effort was used for hiding written sources from unwanted acces during history. but now, we can read the entire greco roman history, we can read the vedas everywhere and the egyptian sacred texts and the mayan codices, the hopi prophecies etc.

there is plenty of misinformation too, as i said and most people are manipulated into watching stupefying tv, but the fact of accesability of all this sacred information remains and it is enlightening, as leading to enlightement and not towards an even darker age.

consider also the development in science. i agree it has been heavily abused in misused, but the fact remains, that
many things have been explored and also help to understand the vedas better.

in our country, the knowledge about slovene sanskrit parallels are only slowly coming to the consciousness of people and that certainly is spiritual development and not decline.

as Sri Yuktesvar described the yugas, the kali is into the material, the dwapara into electricity, the treta into magnetism and satya into divine knowledge.
we could say we are living in an increasingly electrical age, couldnt we?

Also, i cannot believe of a possibility of a such a long tradition, namely such precise spiritual and astronomical truths to be kept for so many hundred thousand years, so that people would remember the proper yuga system.

it is much more convincing to accept the possibility of a several ten thousand year old tradition, that could keep trace of the axis precession cycle, namely 26000 years. this is imo realistic.

you speak of an avatar, but first, we would have to exaimine the phenomenon of spiritual teachers and mythological beings, because if i remember right, some of the sanatana avatars are supposed to be mythological beings.

was the Buddha an avatar in your opinion? or jesus?
how do other religions fit in?
it is no coincidence, that sri Yuktesvar wrote the Holly science as a comparison of the vedas and the new testament, where he proved, that same spiritual messages are the essence of both scripts.

the vedas are probably the most precious of all religious traditions, but also other ancient religions have values and are complementary with the vedas.
the egyptian religion was highly sophisticated and put a lot of focus on the fish symbol connected with the dark age. christianity itself was symbolised by a fish.

and so on...

i ll go off the comp now for a few hours, so you dont have to hurry with your comment

Namaste
hf
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I can clearly see what side you are representing. I was at your stage about 4 years ago. I had read the Holy Science hoping that we are entering something more hopeful.

But I was not taking the Vedas for their seriousness. I was thinking the same as you, that I could find interpretation and somehow bring deeper understanding. But I was unable to do so.

I only found more perfection within the Vedas.


You bring up the point that we are experiencing a technological revolution, and information and knowledge are every increasingly available.


But that is a sign of only increasing Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga is the Age of Hyprocrisy and Quarrel, and those are very much prominent now. Kali Yuga is not an age of lack of knowledge.

Dvapara yuga is not the Age of Hypocrisy and Quarrel. Kali Yuga is also the age of increasing material advancement. Material advancement, like computers and TV is all maya. That is definitely a sign of Kali Yuga. All authorized acharyas agree.

In Dvapara yuga, Krishna is the Avatar.
The duration of life during Dvapara yuga is 1,000 years.

How do you rectify this? Do you then claim that this cannot be and is only figurative?

Then you enter into a vast web of confusion trying to discern what from the Vedas is knowledge, and what can you interpret.


This is not the way to approach the Vedas.





We are in a mini Golden Age, within Kali Yuga. That is the accepted Shastric statements.



In the [link to en.wikipedia.org] Brahma Vaivarta Purana, which is an authorized Vedic text, one of the Puranas.

It is stated that there is a 10,000 year golden age, beginning at the start of Kali Yuga when BHAKTI YOGIS will be present. At the end of the 10,000 year period (there are still 4990+ years left) there will be no more Bhakti Yogis, and the world will sink into a Godless civilization, until the Kalki Avatar arrives to return the world to Satya Yuga.




Satya Yuga
Treta Yuga
Dvapara Yuga
Kali Yuga
Satya Yuga <---- Starts over again.


This is the shastric view. This is what is supported in the Vedas. It does not go.

Satya
Treta
Davapara
Kali
Kali
Dvapara
Treta
Satya

That is not found ANYWHERE in the Vedas.




Here is the references to the Golden Age WITHIN Kali Yuga, and how it lasts 10,000 years. How is there a 10,000 year golden age within a 1000 year of humans? That does not make sense, it only makes sense if you calculate the years of the devas to equal 360 years of the Humans.

You have yet to convince me with shastra that 1 year of the humans equals 1 year of the devas. For it clearly states in all Vedic scripture, 360 human years is 1 year of the devas.



Predicted in Brahma-vaivarta Purana 4.129.*. The fourth part of the Brahma-vaivarta is called Krsna-janma-khanda. Chapter 129 is called Golokarohanam, because it describes how Krsna returns to His abode. The general dialogue is between Lord Narayana and Narada Muni. This specific dialogue is between Lord Krsna and Mother Ganga. Verse 49 is a question by Ganga, verses 50-60 are Krsna's answer.

Text 49:

bhaagiirathy uvaaca
he naatha ramaNaSreStha
yaasi golokamuttamam
asmaakaM kaa gatiScaatra
bhaviSyati kalau yuge


"Ganga said: O protector, Supreme enjoyer, on your departure for the perfect abode, Goloka, thereafter what will be my situation in the age of Kali?"

Text 50

Srii-bhagavaan uvaaca
kaleH paMcasahasraaNi
varSaaNi tiSTha bhu-tale
paapaani paapino yaani
tubhyaM daasyaMti snaanataH

"The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Remain on earth for five thousand years of Kali yuga. Sinners will deposit their sins in you by bathing."

Text 51

man-maMtropaasaka sparSaad
bhasmibhutaani tatkSaNaat
bhaviSyaMti darSanaac ca
snaanaad eva hi jaahnavi


"By the sight, touch and bathing of one who worships Me by My mantra all those sins will be at once burnt to ashes, O Ganga."

Text 52

harernaamaani yatraiva
puraaNaani bhavaMti hi
tatra gatvaa saavadhaanam
aabhiH saarddhaM ca SroSyasi


"There will be chanting of the name of Hari and reading of the [Bhagavata] Purana. Reaching such a place, attentively hear.

[note: In Puranic language, when "Purana" is used alone it refers to Bhagavata Purana. Otherwise it will specify Skanda Purana, Visnu Purana, etc.]

Text 53:

puraaNa SravaNaaccaiva
harernaamaanukiirtanaat
bhasmibhutaani paapaani
brahma-hatyaadikaani ca


"Sinful reactions including the killing of a brahmana can be nullified be hearing the [Bhagavata] Purana and chanting of the names of Hari in the manner of devotees."

Text 54:

bhasmibhutaani taanyeva
vaiSNavaaliMganena ca
tRNaani SuSkakaaSthaani
dahaMti paavako yathaa


"Just as dry grass is burnt by fire, by the embrace of Vaisnavas all sins are burnt."

Text 55:

tathaapi vaiSNavaa loke
paapaani paapinaamapi
pRthivyaaM yaani tiirthaani
puNyaanyapi ca jaahnavi


"O Ganga, the whole planet will become a pilgrimage site by the presence of Vaisnavas, even though it had been full of sinners and sins."

Text 56:

madbhaktaanaaM SariireSu
santi puteSu saMtatam
madbhaktapaadarajasaa
sadyaH putaa vasundharaa


"In the body of My devotees remains eternally [the purifier]. Mother Earth becomes pure by the dust of the feet of My devotees."

Text 57:

sadyaH putaani tiirthaani
sadyaH putaM jagat tathaa
man-maMtropaasakaa vipraa
ye maducchiSRbhojinaH


"It will be the same in the case of pilgrimage sites and the whole world. Those intelligent worshipers of My mantra who partake of My remnants will purify everything."

Text 58

maam eva nityaM dhyaayaMte
te mat praaNaadhikaaH priyaaH
tad upasparSa maatreNa
puto vaayuSca paavakaH


"Those, who everyday meditate only on Me, are more dear to Me than My life. The air and fire become pure simply by their indirect touch."

[Note: Sastra says that of all material elements, fire and air are always pure. Even though the air carries some impurities it always remains itself pure. This verse indicates that the Vaisnavas will purify even the pure elements of fire and air, therefore the purifying potency of the Vaisnavas referred to in this verse is not material but completely spiritual. I.e. the air and fire are _already_ materially pure, therefore the Vaisnavas purity is spiritual and not material.]

Text 59:

kaler daSa-sahasraaNi
madbhaktaaH saMti bhu-tale
ekavarNaa bhaviSyaMti
madbhakteSu gateSu ca


"For 10,000 years of Kali such devotees of Mine will be present on earth. After the departure of My devotees there will be only one varna [outcaste]."

Text 60:

madbhaktaSunyaa pRthivi
kaligrastaa bhaviSyati
etasminnaMtare tatra
kRSNadehaadvinirgataH


"Devoid of My devotees, the earth will be shackled by Kali. Saying this, Krsna departed."

The above is supported in 4.90.32-33:

kalau daZa-sahasrAni
haris tiSThati medinI
devAnAM pratimA pUjyA
ZAstrANi ca purANakam


"(Sri Krsna said:) Lord Hari will stay on this earth for the first ten-thousand years of Kali-yuga. For that time the deities of the demigods will be worshiped and the Puranas and scriptures will also be present."

tad-ardham api tIrthAni
gangAdinI su niZcitam
tad-ardham grAma-devAZ ca
vedAZ ca viduSAm api


"For half that period the Ganga and other holy places will be present. For half that period the village temples and the Vedas studied by learned brahmanas will be present."




So why should I go against all that shastra?

Because Yukteswar did not read all the Puranas? Because he himself could not accept the authority of the Vedas fully?

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(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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Many people associate the Vedas with "Hinduism". But the term or word Hinduism or Hindu will not be found in the Vedas.

As far as the Vedas are concerned, the Vedas are not for "Hindus" but for all living entities. This is the very first thing to be understood.

What you find in the Vedas is sanaatana dharma (suh-nah-tuh-nuh duh-arm). Sanaatana means Eternal and dharma means occupation.

There are 2 kinds of eternal, spiritual energies.

The Infinitesimal living entity, and the Infinite God.

The Individual Soul of a living entity is Infinitesimal, while the Super Soul is Infinite, but they are both Eternal.

The living entity is sanaatana [eternal], God is sanaatana, and there is sanaatana-dharma. Sanaatana-dharma is meant for all living entities, not just the so-called Hindus.

Hinduism, this "ism," that "ism"—these are all misconception. Historically, sanaatana-dharma was followed regularly in India, and Indians were called "Hindus" by the Muslims.

The Muslims saw that the Indians lived on the other side of the River Sind, and the Muslims pronounced Sind as Hind. Therefore they called India "Hindustan" and the people who lived there "Hindus." But the word Hindu has no reference in the Vedic literature.

Now that sanatana-dharma, or Vedic dharma, is being distorted, not being obeyed, not being carried out properly, it has come to be known as Hinduism.

But that is a freak understanding; that is not a real understanding.

We have to study sanatana-dharma as it is described in the Bhagavad-gitaa and other Vedic literatures; then we'll understand what Vedic religion is.
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can you do anything for me? like if I ask you a question(s) about myself can you tell me the answers?
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Many people associate the Vedas with "Hinduism". But the term or word Hinduism or Hindu will not be found in the Vedas.

As far as the Vedas are concerned, the Vedas are not for "Hindus" but for all living entities. This is the very first thing to be understood.

What you find in the Vedas is sanaatana dharma (suh-nah-tuh-nuh duh-arm). Sanaatana means Eternal and dharma means occupation.

There are 2 kinds of eternal, spiritual energies.

The Infinitesimal living entity, and the Infinite God.

The Individual Soul of a living entity is Infinitesimal, while the Super Soul is Infinite, but they are both Eternal.

The living entity is sanaatana [eternal], God is sanaatana, and there is sanaatana-dharma. Sanaatana-dharma is meant for all living entities, not just the so-called Hindus.

Hinduism, this "ism," that "ism"—these are all misconception. Historically, sanaatana-dharma was followed regularly in India, and Indians were called "Hindus" by the Muslims.

The Muslims saw that the Indians lived on the other side of the River Sind, and the Muslims pronounced Sind as Hind. Therefore they called India "Hindustan" and the people who lived there "Hindus." But the word Hindu has no reference in the Vedic literature.

Now that sanatana-dharma, or Vedic dharma, is being distorted, not being obeyed, not being carried out properly, it has come to be known as Hinduism.

But that is a freak understanding; that is not a real understanding.

We have to study sanatana-dharma as it is described in the Bhagavad-gitaa and other Vedic literatures; then we'll understand what Vedic religion is.
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can you do anything for me? like if I ask you a question(s) about myself can you tell me the answers?
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Of course. I will answer any question you put forth toward me.

I am glad to see you here. I remember a few of your previous topics you started with some questions.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Many people associate the Vedas with "Hinduism". But the term or word Hinduism or Hindu will not be found in the Vedas.

As far as the Vedas are concerned, the Vedas are not for "Hindus" but for all living entities. This is the very first thing to be understood.

What you find in the Vedas is sanaatana dharma (suh-nah-tuh-nuh duh-arm). Sanaatana means Eternal and dharma means occupation.

There are 2 kinds of eternal, spiritual energies.

The Infinitesimal living entity, and the Infinite God.

The Individual Soul of a living entity is Infinitesimal, while the Super Soul is Infinite, but they are both Eternal.

The living entity is sanaatana [eternal], God is sanaatana, and there is sanaatana-dharma. Sanaatana-dharma is meant for all living entities, not just the so-called Hindus.

Hinduism, this "ism," that "ism"—these are all misconception. Historically, sanaatana-dharma was followed regularly in India, and Indians were called "Hindus" by the Muslims.

The Muslims saw that the Indians lived on the other side of the River Sind, and the Muslims pronounced Sind as Hind. Therefore they called India "Hindustan" and the people who lived there "Hindus." But the word Hindu has no reference in the Vedic literature.

Now that sanatana-dharma, or Vedic dharma, is being distorted, not being obeyed, not being carried out properly, it has come to be known as Hinduism.

But that is a freak understanding; that is not a real understanding.

We have to study sanatana-dharma as it is described in the Bhagavad-gitaa and other Vedic literatures; then we'll understand what Vedic religion is.
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can you do anything for me? like if I ask you a question(s) about myself can you tell me the answers?
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Of course. I will answer any question you put forth toward me.

I am glad to see you here. I remember a few of your previous topics you started with some questions.
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what kinds of questions can you answer? the only thing I know about the the Vedic literatures is that they describe some of the most documented ET encounters.. is this true?

are you pyschic of some kind- or are you referring to "ask me questions about text"?
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Who or what were the 7 manifestations of GOD?

AND
How many gods are there?
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Many people associate the Vedas with "Hinduism". But the term or word Hinduism or Hindu will not be found in the Vedas.

As far as the Vedas are concerned, the Vedas are not for "Hindus" but for all living entities. This is the very first thing to be understood.

What you find in the Vedas is sanaatana dharma (suh-nah-tuh-nuh duh-arm). Sanaatana means Eternal and dharma means occupation.

There are 2 kinds of eternal, spiritual energies.

The Infinitesimal living entity, and the Infinite God.

The Individual Soul of a living entity is Infinitesimal, while the Super Soul is Infinite, but they are both Eternal.

The living entity is sanaatana [eternal], God is sanaatana, and there is sanaatana-dharma. Sanaatana-dharma is meant for all living entities, not just the so-called Hindus.

Hinduism, this "ism," that "ism"—these are all misconception. Historically, sanaatana-dharma was followed regularly in India, and Indians were called "Hindus" by the Muslims.

The Muslims saw that the Indians lived on the other side of the River Sind, and the Muslims pronounced Sind as Hind. Therefore they called India "Hindustan" and the people who lived there "Hindus." But the word Hindu has no reference in the Vedic literature.

Now that sanatana-dharma, or Vedic dharma, is being distorted, not being obeyed, not being carried out properly, it has come to be known as Hinduism.

But that is a freak understanding; that is not a real understanding.

We have to study sanatana-dharma as it is described in the Bhagavad-gitaa and other Vedic literatures; then we'll understand what Vedic religion is.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


can you do anything for me? like if I ask you a question(s) about myself can you tell me the answers?
 Quoting: Beautifoolish_Girl



Of course. I will answer any question you put forth toward me.

I am glad to see you here. I remember a few of your previous topics you started with some questions.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


what kinds of questions can you answer? the only thing I know about the the Vedic literatures is that they describe some of the most documented ET encounters.. is this true?

are you pyschic of some kind- or are you referring to "ask me questions about text"?
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I can answer the questions that have been nagging you about life. The Vedic literatures are not describing ET encounters.

The sanskrit word "Veda" means knowledge. This is called revealed knowledge. This knowledge was FIRST imparted into the HEART Creator of this Universe (yes there is a creator) by God.

Then the creator of the universe who is called Lord Brahma put this knowledge into Sanskrit and spoke it to the Devas who are created for administrating this Universe.

This knowledge is passed down from Spiritual Master to Disciple in what is called in sanskrit Parampara (puh-rum puh-rah) which means Line of Disciplic Succession.

This knowledge is preserved in its original Sanskrit, which is the Universal language. Sanskrit meanings cannot be changed. The Sanskrit term "Krishna" means "All Attractive" all over the universe, wherever you go.

This knowledge is still in perfect preservation today, passed down through the Gaudiya-sampradaya(Go-dee-ya sum-pruh-die-uh).



So to answer your question in conclusion, do the Vedas describe ET encounters?

There are many encounters that one could called "Extra Terrestrial ". But if we just look at the word "extraterrestrial" We can see it is derived from the Latin extra ("outside", "outwards") and terrestris ("earthly", "of or relating to the Earth")

So are there Outside of Earthly encounters?

Yes. This is a Spiritual Encounter. The Spiritual World is not in contact with matter, or the material world. The Vedas are spiritual and are Extra Terrestrial in and of themselves.


I am not a psychic. I cannot tell you what you ate last night, or where you lost your keys.


But I can predict that you will die at the end of your allotted time on this earth.

It is said in the Vedas that one cannot even buy back ONE second of your life, for millions of dollars. It is so precious and valuable that one should not waste it.


So one should spend their time for finding out what the purpose of life is in this Human form.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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It is stated plainly in the Bhagavad-gita.

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manushyanam sahasreshu
kascid yatati siddhaye
yatatam api siddhanam
kascin mam vetti tattvatah


"Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth."



There are various grades of men, and out of many thousands, one may be sufficiently interested in transcendental realization to try to know what is the self, what is the body, and what is the Absolute Truth. Generally mankind is simply engaged in the animal propensities, namely eating, sleeping, defending and mating, and hardly anyone is interested in transcendental knowledge. The first six chapters of the Gita are meant for those who are interested in transcendental knowledge, in understanding the self, the Superself and the process of realization by jnana-yoga, dhyana-yoga and discrimination of the self from matter. However, Krishna can be known only by persons who are in Krishna consciousness. Other transcendentalists may achieve impersonal Brahman realization, for this is easier than understanding Krishna. Krishna is the Supreme Person, but at the same time He is beyond the knowledge of Brahman and Paramatma. The yogis and jnanis are confused in their attempts to understand Krishna. Although the greatest of the impersonalists, Sripada Sankaracarya, has admitted in his Gita commentary that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, his followers do not accept Krishna as such, for it is very difficult to know Krishna, even though one has transcendental realization of impersonal Brahman.

Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the cause of all causes, the primeval Lord Govinda. Isvarah paramah krishnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah/ anadir adir govindah sarva-karana-karanam. It is very difficult for the nondevotees to know Him. Although nondevotees declare that the path of bhakti, or devotional service, is very easy, they cannot practice it. If the path of bhakti is so easy, as the nondevotee class of men proclaim, then why do they take up the difficult path? Actually the path of bhakti is not easy. The so-called path of bhakti practiced by unauthorized persons without knowledge of bhakti may be easy, but when it is practiced factually according to the rules and regulations, the speculative scholars and philosophers fall away from the path. Srila Rupa Gosvami writes in his Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu (1.2.101):

sruti-smriti-puranadi-
pancaratra-vidhim vina
aikantiki harer bhaktir
utpatayaiva kalpate


"Devotional service of the Lord that ignores the authorized Vedic literatures like the Upanishads, Puranas and Narada-pancaratra is simply an unnecessary disturbance in society."


It is not possible for the Brahman-realized impersonalist or the Paramatma-realized yogi to understand Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead as the son of mother Yasoda or the charioteer of Arjuna. Even the great demigods are sometimes confused about Krishna (muhyanti yat surayah). Mam tu veda na kascana: "No one knows Me as I am," the Lord says. And if one does know Him, then sa mahatma su-durlabhah. "Such a great soul is very rare." Therefore unless one practices devotional service to the Lord, one cannot know Krishna as He is (tattvatah), even though one is a great scholar or philosopher. Only the pure devotees can know something of the inconceivable transcendental qualities in Krishna, in the cause of all causes, in His omnipotence and opulence, and in His wealth, fame, strength, beauty, knowledge and renunciation, because Krishna is benevolently inclined to His devotees. He is the last word in Brahman realization, and the devotees alone can realize Him as He is. Therefore it is said:


atah sri-krishna-namadi
na bhaved grahyam indriyaih
sevonmukhe hi jihvadau
svayam eva sphuraty adah



"No one can understand Krishna as He is by the blunt material senses. But He reveals Himself to the devotees, being pleased with them for their transcendental loving service unto Him." (Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu 1.2.234)



It may sound complicated, but it is quite simple once we surrender ourselves to the fact that the Vedas ARE revealed knowledge.


How am I so knowledgeable of Vedic knowledge?

I could not tell you, it must be the mercy of the Lord somewhere. I am a 24 year old young man who has come in to contact with something that has changed my life, and awoken an inner fire for truth.

I have come into contact with great shining beacons of vedic knowledge, such as Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Swami Prabhupada and I have absorbed his teachings within my heart.

I am a most fallen soul, but for some reason or another the Lord has decided to impart upon me this capability to understand Vedic knowledge without second guessing it.



Is it necessary to understand the Vedas? No. It is only necessary to understand yourself, and the Lord.

I grew up a large portion of my life NOT understanding the Vedas. I grew up a very average american child, except that I was a lacto-vegetarian. I played Video games, rode bicycles, watched football, went to the movies.


The last few years of my life has been a large awakening for me. What have I done differently? I have only put a sincere effort toward trying to understand the statements of the Vedas.


I accept the statements of the Vedas, that one can become perfect, by dovetailing himself with perfection. I do not possess any perfect qualities, but by associating with perfect knowledge, I make myself perfect.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Thank you for your thoughtful, honest and detailed response. I am 54, but when I was 24, I was in a similar place as you are now. I honor who and where you are.

The Bhagavad Gita is such an amazing treasure! I have several versions/interpretations, including the one you mentioned. There is a lot of variation between the interpretations...Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's is certainly different, but it has always felt good for me. You have inspired me to look at it again for the first time in a year or two!

Great thread you started here!
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Who or what were the 7 manifestations of GOD?

AND
How many gods are there?
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There is only one Ishvara which is Sanskrit for Supreme Controller.

From Isvara(Supreme Controller), God, Vishnu, Krishna (All Attractive) or Vasudeva (He who is everywhere, all pervading), there are INFINITE Manifestations because God is Infinite in Qualities and Quantity. All those names are describing the same ONE God.

As far as the number 7 goes, and manifestations.

There are 7 Upper Planetary systems in the Universe, and 7 Lower Planetary Systems in the universe.

We are situated in the middle.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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"the questions that have been nagging you about life"

my purpose- what am I NOT doing that I'm supposed to be doing- like my destiny, if you will..

reason that I can feel tightness/tingling in my 3rd eye area?

why cant I meditate?
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"the questions that have been nagging you about life"

my purpose- what am I NOT doing that I'm supposed to be doing- like my destiny, if you will..

reason that I can feel tightness/tingling in my 3rd eye area?

why cant I meditate?
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Your purpose is to understand your constitutional position as an individual soul, part and parcel of a supreme soul.

There are 2 kinds of Spiritual Energies.

The Infinite
The Infinitesimal.

They are both qualitatively the same. They possess the same qualities of Eternity (eternal existence), Knowledge, and Bliss.

The Infinite Spiritual Energy possesses the qualities of Eternity, Knowledge, and Bliss in infinite QUANTITIES.

The Infinitesimal Spiritual Energy possesses the qualities of Eternity, Knowledge, and Bliss in infinitesimal QUANTITES.

God is the infinite energy.

We are the infintesimal energy.

Our purpose is to dovetail (To combine or interlock into a unified whole) our existence with the existence of God.

In this way, we can achieve a Spiritual Body just like God in his abode that is Spiritual, outside of the influence of the Material Universe (we are only 1 Universe, there are Unlimited Numbers to the Universes)



The third eye, also known as the Ajna Chakra is generally activated by Yogis who desire to leave their body via Yogic Meditation.


The reason you are unable to Meditate is that your senses have not been Purified.

Your sense of taste, touch, smell, seeing, and hearing are all impure due to contamination with the material energy, and they are constantly putting information into your mind that you do not want. Is this not true?


So in this age, we are very much unable to do the previous Yoga systems of meditating to leave our body, this requires much discipline and a very knowledgeable guru.


Instead, in this age we take to the highest form of Yoga, called Bhakti Yoga. This form of Yoga is the most satisfactory yoga system for the individual, and for God.



The culmination of all kinds of yoga practices lies in bhakti yoga. All other yogas are but means to come to the point of bhakti in bhakti-yoga. Yoga actually means bhakti-yoga; all other yogas are progressions toward the destination of bhakti-yoga. From the beginning of karma-yoga to the end of bhakti-yoga is a long way to self-realization. Karma-yoga, without fruitive results, is the beginning of this path. When karma-yoga increases in knowledge and renunciation, the stage is called jnana-yoga. When jnana-yoga increases in meditation on the Supersoul by different physical processes, and the mind is on Him, it is called ashtanga-yoga. And when one surpasses the ashtanga-yoga and comes to the point of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krishna, it is called bhakti yoga, the culmination.

Factually, bhakti-yoga is the ultimate goal, but to analyze bhakti-yoga minutely one has to understand these other yogas. The yogi who is progressive is therefore on the true path of eternal good fortune. One who sticks to a particular point and does not make further progress is called by that particular name: karma-yogi, jnana-yogi or dhyäna-yogi, räja-yogi, hatha-yogi, etc. If one is fortunate enough to come to the point of bhakti-yoga, it is to be understood that he has surpassed all other yogas.

Therefore, to become Krishna conscious is the highest stage of yoga, just as, when we speak of Himälayan, we refer to the world's highest mountains, of which the highest peak, Mount Everest, is considered to be the culmination.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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The reason you are unable to Meditate is that your senses have not been Purified.

Your sense of taste, touch, smell, seeing, and hearing are all impure due to contamination with the material energy, and they are constantly putting information into your mind that you do not want. Is this not true?


if you can explain the 2nd question bolded?
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The reason you are unable to Meditate is that your senses have not been Purified.

Your sense of taste, touch, smell, seeing, and hearing are all impure due to contamination with the material energy, and they are constantly putting information into your mind that you do not want. Is this not true?


if you can explain the 2nd question bolded?
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Yes.

You are a Spiritual Soul, you are not the body you inhabit.

The body is like an outer dress, that changes when you die.

This outer body is composed of only material elements. Solids, Liquids, Gases, Plasmas and even the material subtle body which is composed of Mind, Ego, and Intelligence.

Within your body is you, the spirit soul. The Spirit Soul is an infinitesimal part and parcel of God.

This Spirit Soul is not made of matter, it is made of Spirit.

Spirit is composed of 3 energies, Eternity, Knowledge, and Bliss.

Due to the Spirit Souls contact with this matter, we have become conditioned, contaminated, impure.

We have taken on qualities that do not belong to us, but belong to the body.

The quailty of anger, hate, fear, happiness, hot, cold. These are all products of contact with the material energy.

We must purify our existence, then we can get rid of these material contaminations.


The way we purify our existence is by Spiritual Sound. This sound is not from the material world.

The name of God cannot be uttered by a material tongue, nor can a material ear hear the sound of the name. God is adhokshaja, one who has reserved the right of not being exposed to organic senses. All of our experience, knowledge, and memories have been gleaned with the help of mundane senses. Our tongue is comprised mostly of earth and water elements. The nerve endings extending to all parts of the body carry charges of electricity (also a material element). If an object is too far away, it is not touchable, seeable, tasteable, etc. If an object is too close, it is also imperceptible. We can't see our own tilaka mark or eye make-up. When the senses are extended by microscopes and telescopes, they have a greater range, but we are still limited to the material sphere. The telescope cannot penetrate the outermost cover of the universe and the microscope lens is composed of atoms and therefore cannot see the atom or anything smaller than the atom. Likewise, the system of mental speculation is also insufficient to perceive the spiritual element. Mind is a material element whose density is very slight, yet it's speculations are no more spiritual than hard rocks.

There is a common belief that by extending the potency of the mind we can conceive the infinite, but this process is defective. If the infinite can be confined within a limited mind, it is not infinite. I don't even know how many hairs are on my own head. Mental speculators grind their brains over abstract aphorisms of Zen and the Upanishads and think that by their own power they can achieve something like infinity. The result is that the mind explodes and dies of exhaustion. And the reaction is deplorable: total forgetfulness of the self and the infinite.

There are channels by which the infinite descends. He has all power, glory, beauty, knowledge, wealth, and renunciation. He is dominant, all-extending, free, and autocratic. The infinite cannot be contained in a limited sphere, but if he is really infinite then he has the power of making himself known in all his fullness to the finite mind. When, out of His own prerogative, he takes the initiative and reveals himself to the devotee, there is actual perception of Godhead, self-realization, transcendental revelation. He comes by the channel of transcendental sound, he comes by vibrating the spiritual tongue of the pure devotees representing him to the world. The spiritual element vibrates the tongues of the sat-guru's audience, which have hitherto never been vibrated.

Our material ears hear some sound that resembles the transcendental name of God. Our eardrum moves the liquid of the inner ear, half water and half air, which vibrates the ethereal element and touches our mind. At this point, the soul has still been untouched, and there has been no genuine spiritual experience. By hearing with the mind's impressions, we can enjoy the sound of the cymbals, the beat of the chant, the pleasant company and effect of listening and hearing. But it doesn't stop there. Piercing the mind, the original sound uttered by guru moves our intellect, and we consider the transcendental philosophy. For millions of years, sages chanted the sound recieved from Sri guru on the banks of many holy rivers. Ideas flood everywhere about the possible effects of the mantra. While being quite blissful, this is not spiritual revelation in the true sense. Beyond the intelligence is the spiritual element, the soul. That sound, having cut through all my senses including the mind and intellect, now vibrates the finest sentiments of my own real existence. This is the perception of the holy name on the spiritual plane with my spiritual ear. Then the soul, inspired, recapitulates, sending the vibration back into the intelligence, mind, etc., out to my external tongue and we say, 'Krishna'. And dance in ecstasy.

Sounds, sounds, sounds catch hold of the sounds. Seize the waves traveling within the ether, and your happiness is assured in spiritual life. One sage has explained in his sutra that massive epidemics are due to contamination of the ether by impure sound. When the lawyers and pleaders in the court begin to tell lies in the name of justice, these sound vibrations contaminate the ether. This in turn contaminates the air and water which people breathe and drink, and epidemic is the result. When four-headed Brahma creates the universe, the seed ingredient is sound, Om. And from that Om the gayatri-mantra is born.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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harer nama harer nama
harer namaiva kevalam
kalau nasty eva nasty eva
nasty eva gatir anyatha


In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.



kali-kale nama-rupe krishna-avatara
nama haite haya sarva-jagat-nistara


In this Age of Kali, the holy name of the Lord, the Hare Krishna maha-mantra, is the incarnation of Lord Krishna. Simply by chanting the holy name, one associates with the Lord directly. Anyone who does this is certainly delivered.


It is our practical experience in the Krishna consciousness movement all over the world that many millions of people are factually coming to the spiritual stage of life simply by chanting the Hare Krishna maha-mantra regularly, according to the prescribed principles.







Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare


This mantra contains ALL the vedas.

This mantra sounds like this.

[link to bvml.org]

or like this

[link to www.youtube.com]

or like this

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I suggest you find a version that is pleasant to your ears and listen to it and see if you can notice a difference in meditating while chanting this mantra.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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For any questions.


Ever had a question about the Vedas themselves? Or the Science of the Vedas? Or the Universe?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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list 3 BEST books for beginners I can read/or audiobooks
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