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Full, Clear, Concise Answers given in the context of >>Vedic Knowledge<<. This Is Vedic Knowledge. Ask me any question?

 
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list 3 BEST books for beginners I can read/or audiobooks
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[link to vedabase.net] The Bhagavad-gita As-It-Is is the introductory, to answer all your questions.

[link to vedabase.net] The Nectar of Instruction is good.

[link to vedabase.net] The Teachings of Lord Chaitanya are good.

You can also listen to A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada give lectures.

[link to www.prabhupadavani.org]

Click on a title of a Lecture, and then click on the green "listen" on the lecture page. The lecture is transcribed for your convenience.



Most importantly, keep asking questions. Asking questions and trying to get answers is considered doing devotional service / bhakti yoga. You are inquiring about the lord, thus you are perfecting yourself.

The lord has unlimited forms, qualities, names, and all of these can be asked about. He has unlimited past times, and unlimited miracles, and unlimited riches.

Whatever you want to know about the Lord, he has provided, there is no knowledge about him kept secret within the Vedas.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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How do I speed up my metabolism?
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Change over to a Lacto-Vegetarian diet, and eliminate high fructose corn syrup and excess sugars that you consume.

How is your diet currently?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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OH! which aurvedic diet do i fALL into?
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OH! which aurvedic diet do i fALL into?
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Are you talking about your Ayurvedic dosha? I have not really studied Ayurveda so I couldn't tell you.

I know the best diet recommended in the Vedas is a lacto-vegetarian diet.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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OH! which aurvedic diet do i fALL into?
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Are you talking about your Ayurvedic dosha? I have not really studied Ayurveda so I couldn't tell you.

I know the best diet recommended in the Vedas is a lacto-vegetarian diet.
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lacto-vegetarian diet?
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OH! which aurvedic diet do i fALL into?
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Are you talking about your Ayurvedic dosha? I have not really studied Ayurveda so I couldn't tell you.

I know the best diet recommended in the Vedas is a lacto-vegetarian diet.
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lacto-vegetarian diet?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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How do I speed up my metabolism?
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Change over to a Lacto-Vegetarian diet, and eliminate high fructose corn syrup and excess sugars that you consume.

How is your diet currently?
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About a month ago I stopped eating any artificial sweeteners and HFCS. I also eat no MSG when I have the choice. I cook 90% from scratch, and eat little bread or pasta or rice.

My weekness however is sweets -- and I am currently trying to conquer that. I do love dairy products though.
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OP can you help me identify this illustration? Clearly a horse on the clouds, but what's on the saddle, and what is this from in the first place?

[link to img155.imageshack.us]

I just found this little piece of cloth half an hour ago but it's from something my father left me and he's currently unreachable, probably in a cave somewhere in Nepal (my father too put me onto the Bhagavad Gita at the ripe age of 10, and I have been an aspirant since) . It's on a very delicate, green cloth with six other illustrations that are less coherent. I'll spend some leisure time over the next few months translating into the English alphabet (not language). Hopefully you can save me some time, if you recognize it.

Sorry, the picture is not the most high fidelity image possible these days.
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist


Hrm. It is quite hard to make it, as there is not a whole lot of detail.

But to me, the subject on the horse almost appears to be lesser headed Ananta Sesha.

[link to www.indianetzone.com]

Sometimes he has 5 heads, sometimes he has 7 heads.

It's quite hard to make out if they are snake heads or just figure placeholders.

Do you have other images that might make it easier to keep in context or is that the only one?
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The Ananta correlation did cross my mind but it was more of an intuitive conclusion than analytical, hmm interesting. Though the other illustrations look like naga serpents or something. Here are the three that are still intact.

The cloth is very wrinkled by the way and the material is thin and delicate, trying to smooth it out just rips it.

[link to imageshack.us] clearly a serpent of some sort, can see the head and forked tongue at the bottom.

[link to imageshack.us] no clue on this one. some sort of seat or throne?

[link to imageshack.us] not clear on this one, appears to be of a serpent but uhh i can't find the head.


the other two illustrations at the bottom are impossible to make out due to ripped pieces. the whole cloth (very poor pic) [link to img84.imageshack.us]
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Actually OP, I think the writing is Thai. Now I have no clue what to think -_-
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well, i must admit that you did no convince me in any of these points. hope you dont mind if i stick to my understanding of the subject. But i agree on most of the rest and i still support this thread and i think you are on the right path. if you carry on with such vigour, you will gather a lot of knowledge when you will double your age and be as old as i am now. You will maybe also change some of your present opinions, but that does not mean you re wrong now, it is an attribute of life, to develope mentally and spiritually

Best wishes!
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Again I understand your point of view, but I have to accept statements of the Vedas for the facts. There is no interpretation, that much is clear.

My father is more than double my age, and his acceptance of the statements of the Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita have only gotten deeper.

There are many Acharyas who are many many times my Age, but they have accepted the statements of Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita.

We are not in the business of manufacturing knowledge, only accept knowledge from the perfect source.


Why do you accept Sri Yukteswars version of the Yugas given in the Holy Science?


He says we are in Dvapara yuga, and gradually ascending back up to Treta yuga, then Satya yuga.

What are the symptoms of us being in Kali Yuga?

Isnt't here supposed to be a Yuga avatar? Where is the Yuga Avatar?

How do we calculate when the Yuga avatars are coming, when Sri Yukteswar takes the calculation of the ages and butchers them by turning them into human years?


These are questions I've had about the Sri Yukteswars version, that have never been answered. I find by sticking with the accepted version of the Vedas, I can make much more progress and prevent myself from being bewildered further.
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well, if this is supposed to be an age somewhere at the start of the kali yuga, and we are going only deeper into destruction, i dont see a long perspective for anyone, not only humans. for the next 5000 years there are still going to be gurus, as you say, but i dont see much longer than 50 if the main course wont change dramatically soon.

on the other hand, there has been some positive development happening, connected to information age, which means, that things are exhilerating in many directions and ways.

one of the most frustrating things in the fish sign, or the kali yuga of the understanding of Sri Yuktesvar, is the absence of real knowledge. that age is nearing the end. there is awful a lot of disinformation around the world and purposeful manipulation, but that only exhilerates the information. you might say we dont need superfluous information, and that is true, but consider, how much effort was used for hiding written sources from unwanted acces during history. but now, we can read the entire greco roman history, we can read the vedas everywhere and the egyptian sacred texts and the mayan codices, the hopi prophecies etc.

there is plenty of misinformation too, as i said and most people are manipulated into watching stupefying tv, but the fact of accesability of all this sacred information remains and it is enlightening, as leading to enlightement and not towards an even darker age.

consider also the development in science. i agree it has been heavily abused in misused, but the fact remains, that
many things have been explored and also help to understand the vedas better.

in our country, the knowledge about slovene sanskrit parallels are only slowly coming to the consciousness of people and that certainly is spiritual development and not decline.

as Sri Yuktesvar described the yugas, the kali is into the material, the dwapara into electricity, the treta into magnetism and satya into divine knowledge.
we could say we are living in an increasingly electrical age, couldnt we?

Also, i cannot believe of a possibility of a such a long tradition, namely such precise spiritual and astronomical truths to be kept for so many hundred thousand years, so that people would remember the proper yuga system.

it is much more convincing to accept the possibility of a several ten thousand year old tradition, that could keep trace of the axis precession cycle, namely 26000 years. this is imo realistic.

you speak of an avatar, but first, we would have to exaimine the phenomenon of spiritual teachers and mythological beings, because if i remember right, some of the sanatana avatars are supposed to be mythological beings.

was the Buddha an avatar in your opinion? or jesus?
how do other religions fit in?
it is no coincidence, that sri Yuktesvar wrote the Holly science as a comparison of the vedas and the new testament, where he proved, that same spiritual messages are the essence of both scripts.

the vedas are probably the most precious of all religious traditions, but also other ancient religions have values and are complementary with the vedas.
the egyptian religion was highly sophisticated and put a lot of focus on the fish symbol connected with the dark age. christianity itself was symbolised by a fish.

and so on...

i ll go off the comp now for a few hours, so you dont have to hurry with your comment

Namaste
hf
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I can clearly see what side you are representing. I was at your stage about 4 years ago. I had read the Holy Science hoping that we are entering something more hopeful.

But I was not taking the Vedas for their seriousness. I was thinking the same as you, that I could find interpretation and somehow bring deeper understanding. But I was unable to do so.

I only found more perfection within the Vedas.


You bring up the point that we are experiencing a technological revolution, and information and knowledge are every increasingly available.


But that is a sign of only increasing Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga is the Age of Hyprocrisy and Quarrel, and those are very much prominent now. Kali Yuga is not an age of lack of knowledge.

Dvapara yuga is not the Age of Hypocrisy and Quarrel. Kali Yuga is also the age of increasing material advancement. Material advancement, like computers and TV is all maya. That is definitely a sign of Kali Yuga. All authorized acharyas agree.

In Dvapara yuga, Krishna is the Avatar.
The duration of life during Dvapara yuga is 1,000 years.

How do you rectify this? Do you then claim that this cannot be and is only figurative?

Then you enter into a vast web of confusion trying to discern what from the Vedas is knowledge, and what can you interpret.


This is not the way to approach the Vedas.





We are in a mini Golden Age, within Kali Yuga. That is the accepted Shastric statements.



In the [link to en.wikipedia.org] Brahma Vaivarta Purana, which is an authorized Vedic text, one of the Puranas.

It is stated that there is a 10,000 year golden age, beginning at the start of Kali Yuga when BHAKTI YOGIS will be present. At the end of the 10,000 year period (there are still 4990+ years left) there will be no more Bhakti Yogis, and the world will sink into a Godless civilization, until the Kalki Avatar arrives to return the world to Satya Yuga.




Satya Yuga
Treta Yuga
Dvapara Yuga
Kali Yuga
Satya Yuga <---- Starts over again.


This is the shastric view. This is what is supported in the Vedas. It does not go.

Satya
Treta
Davapara
Kali
Kali
Dvapara
Treta
Satya

That is not found ANYWHERE in the Vedas.




Here is the references to the Golden Age WITHIN Kali Yuga, and how it lasts 10,000 years. How is there a 10,000 year golden age within a 1000 year of humans? That does not make sense, it only makes sense if you calculate the years of the devas to equal 360 years of the Humans.

You have yet to convince me with shastra that 1 year of the humans equals 1 year of the devas. For it clearly states in all Vedic scripture, 360 human years is 1 year of the devas.



Predicted in Brahma-vaivarta Purana 4.129.*. The fourth part of the Brahma-vaivarta is called Krsna-janma-khanda. Chapter 129 is called Golokarohanam, because it describes how Krsna returns to His abode. The general dialogue is between Lord Narayana and Narada Muni. This specific dialogue is between Lord Krsna and Mother Ganga. Verse 49 is a question by Ganga, verses 50-60 are Krsna's answer.

Text 49:

bhaagiirathy uvaaca
he naatha ramaNaSreStha
yaasi golokamuttamam
asmaakaM kaa gatiScaatra
bhaviSyati kalau yuge


"Ganga said: O protector, Supreme enjoyer, on your departure for the perfect abode, Goloka, thereafter what will be my situation in the age of Kali?"

Text 50

Srii-bhagavaan uvaaca
kaleH paMcasahasraaNi
varSaaNi tiSTha bhu-tale
paapaani paapino yaani
tubhyaM daasyaMti snaanataH

"The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Remain on earth for five thousand years of Kali yuga. Sinners will deposit their sins in you by bathing."

Text 51

man-maMtropaasaka sparSaad
bhasmibhutaani tatkSaNaat
bhaviSyaMti darSanaac ca
snaanaad eva hi jaahnavi


"By the sight, touch and bathing of one who worships Me by My mantra all those sins will be at once burnt to ashes, O Ganga."

Text 52

harernaamaani yatraiva
puraaNaani bhavaMti hi
tatra gatvaa saavadhaanam
aabhiH saarddhaM ca SroSyasi


"There will be chanting of the name of Hari and reading of the [Bhagavata] Purana. Reaching such a place, attentively hear.

[note: In Puranic language, when "Purana" is used alone it refers to Bhagavata Purana. Otherwise it will specify Skanda Purana, Visnu Purana, etc.]

Text 53:

puraaNa SravaNaaccaiva
harernaamaanukiirtanaat
bhasmibhutaani paapaani
brahma-hatyaadikaani ca


"Sinful reactions including the killing of a brahmana can be nullified be hearing the [Bhagavata] Purana and chanting of the names of Hari in the manner of devotees."

Text 54:

bhasmibhutaani taanyeva
vaiSNavaaliMganena ca
tRNaani SuSkakaaSthaani
dahaMti paavako yathaa


"Just as dry grass is burnt by fire, by the embrace of Vaisnavas all sins are burnt."

Text 55:

tathaapi vaiSNavaa loke
paapaani paapinaamapi
pRthivyaaM yaani tiirthaani
puNyaanyapi ca jaahnavi


"O Ganga, the whole planet will become a pilgrimage site by the presence of Vaisnavas, even though it had been full of sinners and sins."

Text 56:

madbhaktaanaaM SariireSu
santi puteSu saMtatam
madbhaktapaadarajasaa
sadyaH putaa vasundharaa


"In the body of My devotees remains eternally [the purifier]. Mother Earth becomes pure by the dust of the feet of My devotees."

Text 57:

sadyaH putaani tiirthaani
sadyaH putaM jagat tathaa
man-maMtropaasakaa vipraa
ye maducchiSRbhojinaH


"It will be the same in the case of pilgrimage sites and the whole world. Those intelligent worshipers of My mantra who partake of My remnants will purify everything."

Text 58

maam eva nityaM dhyaayaMte
te mat praaNaadhikaaH priyaaH
tad upasparSa maatreNa
puto vaayuSca paavakaH


"Those, who everyday meditate only on Me, are more dear to Me than My life. The air and fire become pure simply by their indirect touch."

[Note: Sastra says that of all material elements, fire and air are always pure. Even though the air carries some impurities it always remains itself pure. This verse indicates that the Vaisnavas will purify even the pure elements of fire and air, therefore the purifying potency of the Vaisnavas referred to in this verse is not material but completely spiritual. I.e. the air and fire are _already_ materially pure, therefore the Vaisnavas purity is spiritual and not material.]

Text 59:

kaler daSa-sahasraaNi
madbhaktaaH saMti bhu-tale
ekavarNaa bhaviSyaMti
madbhakteSu gateSu ca


"For 10,000 years of Kali such devotees of Mine will be present on earth. After the departure of My devotees there will be only one varna [outcaste]."

Text 60:

madbhaktaSunyaa pRthivi
kaligrastaa bhaviSyati
etasminnaMtare tatra
kRSNadehaadvinirgataH


"Devoid of My devotees, the earth will be shackled by Kali. Saying this, Krsna departed."

The above is supported in 4.90.32-33:

kalau daZa-sahasrAni
haris tiSThati medinI
devAnAM pratimA pUjyA
ZAstrANi ca purANakam


"(Sri Krsna said:) Lord Hari will stay on this earth for the first ten-thousand years of Kali-yuga. For that time the deities of the demigods will be worshiped and the Puranas and scriptures will also be present."

tad-ardham api tIrthAni
gangAdinI su niZcitam
tad-ardham grAma-devAZ ca
vedAZ ca viduSAm api


"For half that period the Ganga and other holy places will be present. For half that period the village temples and the Vedas studied by learned brahmanas will be present."




So why should I go against all that shastra?

Because Yukteswar did not read all the Puranas? Because he himself could not accept the authority of the Vedas fully?
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we wont come to a complete understanding for now. you study the vedas according to the prabhuphada hare krsna tradition and i follow the essence of comparative religions. i seek understanding of life, you want to posess definite answers from a perfect dogma

you say:
The duration of life during Dvapara yuga is 1,000 years.
How do you rectify this? Do you then claim that this cannot be and is only figurative?
Then you enter into a vast web of confusion trying to discern what from the Vedas is knowledge, and what can you interpret.


but you cannot escape entering confusion and having to try to discern the meaning of the vedas yourself.

you now, at your age, stick to the absolute literal meaning of your scriptures. fine, it is your right to stick with that, but you have to know, that there are a lot of dogmatists around the world defending the literal meaning of their sacred literature, on the other hand, there are many books written as different interpretations of these same holly texts.

lets take your 1000 life span is supposed to be taken literally. you may agree with the biblical schollars, who interpret also the 1000 years of Adam to be literal. but then again with a literal christian you could not agree, that the world was made in 7 days and that God made Eve from Adam's rib.

although you could accept, that the number seven was significant at the creation (7 chakras), or maybe that the story of Adams rib actually means the connection between conception and pregnancy.

evangelican christians have such problems, because of their conviction, the bible must always be interpreted literally.

of course, you are young and said yourself you are into such books only since recent few years. so it would be impossible for you to study other religions and make comparisons to be able to discern factd from metaphers yourself.

and have you not noticed the contradiction you said?

Firstly, you denied we could be in a phase, slowly approaching enlightenment, because you somehow managed to interpret all the contemporary rapid infomation and knowledge spreading as quarrel and hypocrisy, tipical for the kali yuga. Then you went on and said, we are in a golden age part of kali yuga. where do you see this golden colour, if you cannot see the good side of information spreading? where in reality can you show, that we are in a little golden age, but at the same time we are like definitely not increasing our spirituality, for what we are doing, is kali typical?

you also claim, that sanskrit is the oldest language and that the krsna worship is like a million years old knowledge. but that is simply not so, for as i already explained, sanskrit is not the same as vedic language, and also, if you study comparatively slovene and sanskrit mythology, you will see, that the slovene goddes Ziva is older the the hindu god Siva, for he originates from the Durga, original goddes Ziva, meaning life. and this shift from the matriarchic to the patriarchic system happened a few thousand years ago and is a fact. so satya yuga - matriarchic, towards kali yuga - patriarchic

as you have probably noticed, the older vedas use the expression ashva, more than go, for the vedas originate from times, when people did not focus so much on cattle, but on horses and they also drank their milk. the ancient horse culture dominated asia from the atlantic to the pacific allready since sometime after the end of the ice age..
later, the holly cows slowly took over the place of the holly horses.

and i have to say, that you could not be where i am four years ago and that such attitude wont serve you well. you are just a bit older than my daughter and it is not nice being haughty towards people, who could be your parents, specially, if you want to present yourself as a spiritual teacher. of course you are not my teacher. i was interested in debating a hare krsna guy, but i think we wont get much further.

here is the holly science, in case you will regret your making fun of a master yogi, of course he read all the puranas.
[link to www.scribd.com]

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Again I understand your point of view, but I have to accept statements of the Vedas for the facts. There is no interpretation, that much is clear.

My father is more than double my age, and his acceptance of the statements of the Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita have only gotten deeper.

There are many Acharyas who are many many times my Age, but they have accepted the statements of Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita.

We are not in the business of manufacturing knowledge, only accept knowledge from the perfect source.


Why do you accept Sri Yukteswars version of the Yugas given in the Holy Science?


He says we are in Dvapara yuga, and gradually ascending back up to Treta yuga, then Satya yuga.

What are the symptoms of us being in Kali Yuga?

Isnt't here supposed to be a Yuga avatar? Where is the Yuga Avatar?

How do we calculate when the Yuga avatars are coming, when Sri Yukteswar takes the calculation of the ages and butchers them by turning them into human years?


These are questions I've had about the Sri Yukteswars version, that have never been answered. I find by sticking with the accepted version of the Vedas, I can make much more progress and prevent myself from being bewildered further.
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well, if this is supposed to be an age somewhere at the start of the kali yuga, and we are going only deeper into destruction, i dont see a long perspective for anyone, not only humans. for the next 5000 years there are still going to be gurus, as you say, but i dont see much longer than 50 if the main course wont change dramatically soon.

on the other hand, there has been some positive development happening, connected to information age, which means, that things are exhilerating in many directions and ways.

one of the most frustrating things in the fish sign, or the kali yuga of the understanding of Sri Yuktesvar, is the absence of real knowledge. that age is nearing the end. there is awful a lot of disinformation around the world and purposeful manipulation, but that only exhilerates the information. you might say we dont need superfluous information, and that is true, but consider, how much effort was used for hiding written sources from unwanted acces during history. but now, we can read the entire greco roman history, we can read the vedas everywhere and the egyptian sacred texts and the mayan codices, the hopi prophecies etc.

there is plenty of misinformation too, as i said and most people are manipulated into watching stupefying tv, but the fact of accesability of all this sacred information remains and it is enlightening, as leading to enlightement and not towards an even darker age.

consider also the development in science. i agree it has been heavily abused in misused, but the fact remains, that
many things have been explored and also help to understand the vedas better.

in our country, the knowledge about slovene sanskrit parallels are only slowly coming to the consciousness of people and that certainly is spiritual development and not decline.

as Sri Yuktesvar described the yugas, the kali is into the material, the dwapara into electricity, the treta into magnetism and satya into divine knowledge.
we could say we are living in an increasingly electrical age, couldnt we?

Also, i cannot believe of a possibility of a such a long tradition, namely such precise spiritual and astronomical truths to be kept for so many hundred thousand years, so that people would remember the proper yuga system.

it is much more convincing to accept the possibility of a several ten thousand year old tradition, that could keep trace of the axis precession cycle, namely 26000 years. this is imo realistic.

you speak of an avatar, but first, we would have to exaimine the phenomenon of spiritual teachers and mythological beings, because if i remember right, some of the sanatana avatars are supposed to be mythological beings.

was the Buddha an avatar in your opinion? or jesus?
how do other religions fit in?
it is no coincidence, that sri Yuktesvar wrote the Holly science as a comparison of the vedas and the new testament, where he proved, that same spiritual messages are the essence of both scripts.

the vedas are probably the most precious of all religious traditions, but also other ancient religions have values and are complementary with the vedas.
the egyptian religion was highly sophisticated and put a lot of focus on the fish symbol connected with the dark age. christianity itself was symbolised by a fish.

and so on...

i ll go off the comp now for a few hours, so you dont have to hurry with your comment

Namaste
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I can clearly see what side you are representing. I was at your stage about 4 years ago. I had read the Holy Science hoping that we are entering something more hopeful.

But I was not taking the Vedas for their seriousness. I was thinking the same as you, that I could find interpretation and somehow bring deeper understanding. But I was unable to do so.

I only found more perfection within the Vedas.


You bring up the point that we are experiencing a technological revolution, and information and knowledge are every increasingly available.


But that is a sign of only increasing Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga is the Age of Hyprocrisy and Quarrel, and those are very much prominent now. Kali Yuga is not an age of lack of knowledge.

Dvapara yuga is not the Age of Hypocrisy and Quarrel. Kali Yuga is also the age of increasing material advancement. Material advancement, like computers and TV is all maya. That is definitely a sign of Kali Yuga. All authorized acharyas agree.

In Dvapara yuga, Krishna is the Avatar.
The duration of life during Dvapara yuga is 1,000 years.

How do you rectify this? Do you then claim that this cannot be and is only figurative?

Then you enter into a vast web of confusion trying to discern what from the Vedas is knowledge, and what can you interpret.


This is not the way to approach the Vedas.





We are in a mini Golden Age, within Kali Yuga. That is the accepted Shastric statements.



In the [link to en.wikipedia.org] Brahma Vaivarta Purana, which is an authorized Vedic text, one of the Puranas.

It is stated that there is a 10,000 year golden age, beginning at the start of Kali Yuga when BHAKTI YOGIS will be present. At the end of the 10,000 year period (there are still 4990+ years left) there will be no more Bhakti Yogis, and the world will sink into a Godless civilization, until the Kalki Avatar arrives to return the world to Satya Yuga.




Satya Yuga
Treta Yuga
Dvapara Yuga
Kali Yuga
Satya Yuga <---- Starts over again.


This is the shastric view. This is what is supported in the Vedas. It does not go.

Satya
Treta
Davapara
Kali
Kali
Dvapara
Treta
Satya

That is not found ANYWHERE in the Vedas.




Here is the references to the Golden Age WITHIN Kali Yuga, and how it lasts 10,000 years. How is there a 10,000 year golden age within a 1000 year of humans? That does not make sense, it only makes sense if you calculate the years of the devas to equal 360 years of the Humans.

You have yet to convince me with shastra that 1 year of the humans equals 1 year of the devas. For it clearly states in all Vedic scripture, 360 human years is 1 year of the devas.



Predicted in Brahma-vaivarta Purana 4.129.*. The fourth part of the Brahma-vaivarta is called Krsna-janma-khanda. Chapter 129 is called Golokarohanam, because it describes how Krsna returns to His abode. The general dialogue is between Lord Narayana and Narada Muni. This specific dialogue is between Lord Krsna and Mother Ganga. Verse 49 is a question by Ganga, verses 50-60 are Krsna's answer.

Text 49:

bhaagiirathy uvaaca
he naatha ramaNaSreStha
yaasi golokamuttamam
asmaakaM kaa gatiScaatra
bhaviSyati kalau yuge


"Ganga said: O protector, Supreme enjoyer, on your departure for the perfect abode, Goloka, thereafter what will be my situation in the age of Kali?"

Text 50

Srii-bhagavaan uvaaca
kaleH paMcasahasraaNi
varSaaNi tiSTha bhu-tale
paapaani paapino yaani
tubhyaM daasyaMti snaanataH

"The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Remain on earth for five thousand years of Kali yuga. Sinners will deposit their sins in you by bathing."

Text 51

man-maMtropaasaka sparSaad
bhasmibhutaani tatkSaNaat
bhaviSyaMti darSanaac ca
snaanaad eva hi jaahnavi


"By the sight, touch and bathing of one who worships Me by My mantra all those sins will be at once burnt to ashes, O Ganga."

Text 52

harernaamaani yatraiva
puraaNaani bhavaMti hi
tatra gatvaa saavadhaanam
aabhiH saarddhaM ca SroSyasi


"There will be chanting of the name of Hari and reading of the [Bhagavata] Purana. Reaching such a place, attentively hear.

[note: In Puranic language, when "Purana" is used alone it refers to Bhagavata Purana. Otherwise it will specify Skanda Purana, Visnu Purana, etc.]

Text 53:

puraaNa SravaNaaccaiva
harernaamaanukiirtanaat
bhasmibhutaani paapaani
brahma-hatyaadikaani ca


"Sinful reactions including the killing of a brahmana can be nullified be hearing the [Bhagavata] Purana and chanting of the names of Hari in the manner of devotees."

Text 54:

bhasmibhutaani taanyeva
vaiSNavaaliMganena ca
tRNaani SuSkakaaSthaani
dahaMti paavako yathaa


"Just as dry grass is burnt by fire, by the embrace of Vaisnavas all sins are burnt."

Text 55:

tathaapi vaiSNavaa loke
paapaani paapinaamapi
pRthivyaaM yaani tiirthaani
puNyaanyapi ca jaahnavi


"O Ganga, the whole planet will become a pilgrimage site by the presence of Vaisnavas, even though it had been full of sinners and sins."

Text 56:

madbhaktaanaaM SariireSu
santi puteSu saMtatam
madbhaktapaadarajasaa
sadyaH putaa vasundharaa


"In the body of My devotees remains eternally [the purifier]. Mother Earth becomes pure by the dust of the feet of My devotees."

Text 57:

sadyaH putaani tiirthaani
sadyaH putaM jagat tathaa
man-maMtropaasakaa vipraa
ye maducchiSRbhojinaH


"It will be the same in the case of pilgrimage sites and the whole world. Those intelligent worshipers of My mantra who partake of My remnants will purify everything."

Text 58

maam eva nityaM dhyaayaMte
te mat praaNaadhikaaH priyaaH
tad upasparSa maatreNa
puto vaayuSca paavakaH


"Those, who everyday meditate only on Me, are more dear to Me than My life. The air and fire become pure simply by their indirect touch."

[Note: Sastra says that of all material elements, fire and air are always pure. Even though the air carries some impurities it always remains itself pure. This verse indicates that the Vaisnavas will purify even the pure elements of fire and air, therefore the purifying potency of the Vaisnavas referred to in this verse is not material but completely spiritual. I.e. the air and fire are _already_ materially pure, therefore the Vaisnavas purity is spiritual and not material.]

Text 59:

kaler daSa-sahasraaNi
madbhaktaaH saMti bhu-tale
ekavarNaa bhaviSyaMti
madbhakteSu gateSu ca


"For 10,000 years of Kali such devotees of Mine will be present on earth. After the departure of My devotees there will be only one varna [outcaste]."

Text 60:

madbhaktaSunyaa pRthivi
kaligrastaa bhaviSyati
etasminnaMtare tatra
kRSNadehaadvinirgataH


"Devoid of My devotees, the earth will be shackled by Kali. Saying this, Krsna departed."

The above is supported in 4.90.32-33:

kalau daZa-sahasrAni
haris tiSThati medinI
devAnAM pratimA pUjyA
ZAstrANi ca purANakam


"(Sri Krsna said:) Lord Hari will stay on this earth for the first ten-thousand years of Kali-yuga. For that time the deities of the demigods will be worshiped and the Puranas and scriptures will also be present."

tad-ardham api tIrthAni
gangAdinI su niZcitam
tad-ardham grAma-devAZ ca
vedAZ ca viduSAm api


"For half that period the Ganga and other holy places will be present. For half that period the village temples and the Vedas studied by learned brahmanas will be present."




So why should I go against all that shastra?

Because Yukteswar did not read all the Puranas? Because he himself could not accept the authority of the Vedas fully?
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we wont come to a complete understanding for now. you study the vedas according to the prabhuphada hare krsna tradition and i follow the essence of comparative religions. i seek understanding of life, you want to posess definite answers from a perfect dogma

you say:
The duration of life during Dvapara yuga is 1,000 years.
How do you rectify this? Do you then claim that this cannot be and is only figurative?
Then you enter into a vast web of confusion trying to discern what from the Vedas is knowledge, and what can you interpret.


but you cannot escape entering confusion and having to try to discern the meaning of the vedas yourself.

you now, at your age, stick to the absolute literal meaning of your scriptures. fine, it is your right to stick with that, but you have to know, that there are a lot of dogmatists around the world defending the literal meaning of their sacred literature, on the other hand, there are many books written as different interpretations of these same holly texts.

lets take your 1000 life span is supposed to be taken literally. you may agree with the biblical schollars, who interpret also the 1000 years of Adam to be literal. but then again with a literal christian you could not agree, that the world was made in 7 days and that God made Eve from Adam's rib.

although you could accept, that the number seven was significant at the creation (7 chakras), or maybe that the story of Adams rib actually means the connection between conception and pregnancy.

evangelican christians have such problems, because of their conviction, the bible must always be interpreted literally.

of course, you are young and said yourself you are into such books only since recent few years. so it would be impossible for you to study other religions and make comparisons to be able to discern factd from metaphers yourself.

and have you not noticed the contradiction you said?

Firstly, you denied we could be in a phase, slowly approaching enlightenment, because you somehow managed to interpret all the contemporary rapid infomation and knowledge spreading as quarrel and hypocrisy, tipical for the kali yuga. Then you went on and said, we are in a golden age part of kali yuga. where do you see this golden colour, if you cannot see the good side of information spreading? where in reality can you show, that we are in a little golden age, but at the same time we are like definitely not increasing our spirituality, for what we are doing, is kali typical?

you also claim, that sanskrit is the oldest language and that the krsna worship is like a million years old knowledge. but that is simply not so, for as i already explained, sanskrit is not the same as vedic language, and also, if you study comparatively slovene and sanskrit mythology, you will see, that the slovene goddes Ziva is older the the hindu god Siva, for he originates from the Durga, original goddes Ziva, meaning life. and this shift from the matriarchic to the patriarchic system happened a few thousand years ago and is a fact. so satya yuga - matriarchic, towards kali yuga - patriarchic

as you have probably noticed, the older vedas use the expression ashva, more than go, for the vedas originate from times, when people did not focus so much on cattle, but on horses and they also drank their milk. the ancient horse culture dominated asia from the atlantic to the pacific allready since sometime after the end of the ice age..
later, the holly cows slowly took over the place of the holly horses.

and i have to say, that you could not be where i am four years ago and that such attitude wont serve you well. you are just a bit older than my daughter and it is not nice being haughty towards people, who could be your parents, specially, if you want to present yourself as a spiritual teacher. of course you are not my teacher. i was interested in debating a hare krsna guy, but i think we wont get much further.

here is the holly science, in case you will regret your making fun of a master yogi, of course he read all the puranas.
[link to www.scribd.com]

Peace
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I am sorry but History will be on my side.

I am a Gaudiya-Vaishnav. According to the Gaudiya-vaishnav standard, my knowledge is shastric, and therefor correct. Shastric means has evidence in the shastra, the revealed knowledge.

I am not comparing myself to you, who has virtually zero Brahmacari training.

My father was a strict Brahmacari for 8 years, and it is his standard I compare myself to. He is far more knowledgeable on the topics than you are. He does not present the Vedas in the perverted format that you do. He has studied the Vedas since he was 22 EVERY SINGLE DAY of his life and he is now 58, older than you.

He did not go down the path of impersonalism that you did, he accepted the Vedic statements as they were presented by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and he has become very successful in his Spiritual life.

He has very deep emotions toward the lord and blissful feelings that manifest while he is chanting. He is a pure devotee of the lord and it is he who I have compare my knowledge to.




We are in a 10,000 year golden age because 500 years ago Gauranga Mahaprabhu fulfilled the Yuga Avatar, who comes in Kali Yuga in a Golden Color. Gauranga Mahaprabhu had the skin color of golden.

I accept the direct teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. From the Chaitanya Charitamrta he describes.

[link to vedabase.net]


Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Antya 3.255

e-vanyaya ye na bhase, sei jiva chara
koti-kalpe kabhu tara nahika nistara


"Anyone who does not float in this inundation is most condemned. Such a person cannot be delivered for millions of kalpas.
PURPORT

The kalpa is explained in the Bhagavad-gita (8.17): sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh. One day of Brahma is called a kalpa. A yuga, or maha-yuga, consists of 4,320,000 years, and one thousand such maha-yugas constitute one kalpa. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrita says that if one does not take advantage of the Krishna consciousness movement of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he cannot be delivered for millions of such kalpas.






This is how shastra refers to itself. This is how it is authoritative. It does not manufacture knowledge, like Sri Yukteswar.

You bring up my age, but age has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the level of realization. I am on a higher level than you because I do not try to distort the meanings of the Vedas.

You will call me corrupt or dogmatic, but this is how the Speaker of the Vedas desires the Vedas to be understood.



We are in a 10,000 year golden age as described in the Puranas! It's a MINI GOLDEN AGE WITHIN KALI YUGA.

The reality of this golden age is that there are MILLIONS of Bhakti Yogis all over the world, and and hundreds of temples of the Lord all over the earth still. Also because the Holy Names of the Lord are being chanted all over the planet, not just in India.

That is the shastric symtoms. I do not manufacture knowledge.




You have not linked me one bit of shastric knowledge, authoritatively ACCEPTED by Vedic Scholars who have spent 50+ years studying the deepest meanings of Sanskrit.


I have no respect for you if you have no respect for these great Acharyas.


According to the Vedas, Sri Yukteswar is a FOOL, a RASCAL.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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Silly egos. Cease your quibbling. It does not dawn any jnana in your minds. You will be eaten by the Destroyer.

This thread does not deserve to be polluted by debate and bickering!

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Silly egos. Cease your quibbling. It does not dawn any jnana in your minds. You will be eaten by the Destroyer.

This thread does not deserve to be polluted by debate and bickering!
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It is not false ego When you are arguing about your real identity, which is spiritual, it is called real ego, and real ego is worth fighting for.


There is a point to the vedas, it is not all speculation and interpretate this, interpretate that.


I am not worried about the destroyer. The destroyer is Time, and Time is the weapon of the Lord. I am a servant of the Lord and thus I am not under any illusion that I am a controller.

It is not quibbling or bickering when you are stating on absolutely authority from the Lord, the imparter of the Vedas.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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I am on a higher level than you

According to the Vedas, Sri Yukteswar is a FOOL, a RASCAL.
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you are not very wise

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Gaudiya vaishnavism expounds on only the HIGHEST meanings of the Vedas. Sri Yukteswars Spiritual Master was Jnana Yogi.

A.C. Bhaktivedanta is a Bhakti-Yogi, and that is the method of realization that I am speaking of.

All other forms of Yoga are only for leading up to Bhakti Yoga. Bhakti Yoga is the highest. This is stated in the Puranas and Upanisads.

Jnana means Philosophical Speculation

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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Silly egos. Cease your quibbling. It does not dawn any jnana in your minds. You will be eaten by the Destroyer.

This thread does not deserve to be polluted by debate and bickering!
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It is not false ego When you are arguing about your real identity, which is spiritual, it is called real ego, and real ego is worth fighting for.


There is a point to the vedas, it is not all speculation and interpretate this, interpretate that.


I am not worried about the destroyer. The destroyer is Time, and Time is the weapon of the Lord. I am a servant of the Lord and thus I am not under any illusion that I am a controller.

It is not quibbling or bickering when you are stating on absolutely authority from the Lord, the imparter of the Vedas.
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You were hardly arguing about your real identity. You were arguing for the false ego. "I am on a higher level than you" no enlightened being says this.
I am like the space which permeates all objects, and is yet undefiled. I am of the nature of Absolute Consciousness. I can now cognize my Reality to be no other than That.

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Gaudiya vaishnavism expounds on only the HIGHEST meanings of the Vedas. Sri Yukteswars Spiritual Master was Jnana Yogi.

A.C. Bhaktivedanta is a Bhakti-Yogi, and that is the method of realization that I am speaking of.

All other forms of Yoga are only for leading up to Bhakti Yoga. Bhakti Yoga is the highest. This is stated in the Puranas and Upanisads.

Jnana means Philosophical Speculation
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Jnana means knowledge. The only true knowledge is bheda samadhi which is bhakti samadhi. Philosophical speculation is a very small part of jnana yoga.

All forms of Yoga are only leading up to the need for no yoga at the dawn of moksha.
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I am on a higher level than you

According to the Vedas, Sri Yukteswar is a FOOL, a RASCAL.
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you are not very wise

good bye
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Silly egos. Cease your quibbling. It does not dawn any jnana in your minds. You will be eaten by the Destroyer.

This thread does not deserve to be polluted by debate and bickering!
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It is not false ego When you are arguing about your real identity, which is spiritual, it is called real ego, and real ego is worth fighting for.


There is a point to the vedas, it is not all speculation and interpretate this, interpretate that.


I am not worried about the destroyer. The destroyer is Time, and Time is the weapon of the Lord. I am a servant of the Lord and thus I am not under any illusion that I am a controller.

It is not quibbling or bickering when you are stating on absolutely authority from the Lord, the imparter of the Vedas.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


You were hardly arguing about your real identity. You were arguing for the false ego. "I am on a higher level than you" no enlightened being says this.
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Here is an example how you two are so used to distorting word meanings.


You are taking my quote out of context.

I said

"I am on a higher level than you because I do not try to distort the meanings of the Vedas."

This is authorized and verified. I am not speaking from Ego but I am speaking from Shastric Evidence.

Do you know what Shastra is? Shastra is quoted Scripture.


Shastra must be correct always, not sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect. In the Vedic scriptures, the cow is described as a mother. Therefore she is a mother for all time; it is not, as some rascals say, that in the Vedic age she was a mother but she is not in this age. If Shastra is an authority, the cow is a mother always; she was a mother in the Vedic age, and she is a mother in this age also.


That is how Acharyas quote references, they do not manufacture.

You can attack me all you want, but that is the nature of taking the stance that the Vedas are absolute.

I challenge you to challenge the absoluteness of the Vedas, you will not win.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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I am on a higher level than you

According to the Vedas, Sri Yukteswar is a FOOL, a RASCAL.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


you are not very wise

good bye
 Quoting: a 1429937


Silly egos. Cease your quibbling. It does not dawn any jnana in your minds. You will be eaten by the Destroyer.

This thread does not deserve to be polluted by debate and bickering!
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist


It is not false ego When you are arguing about your real identity, which is spiritual, it is called real ego, and real ego is worth fighting for.


There is a point to the vedas, it is not all speculation and interpretate this, interpretate that.


I am not worried about the destroyer. The destroyer is Time, and Time is the weapon of the Lord. I am a servant of the Lord and thus I am not under any illusion that I am a controller.

It is not quibbling or bickering when you are stating on absolutely authority from the Lord, the imparter of the Vedas.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


You were hardly arguing about your real identity. You were arguing for the false ego. "I am on a higher level than you" no enlightened being says this.
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist




Here is an example how you two are so used to distorting word meanings.


You are taking my quote out of context.

I said

"I am on a higher level than you because I do not try to distort the meanings of the Vedas."

This is authorized and verified. I am not speaking from Ego but I am speaking from Shastric Evidence.

Do you know what Shastra is? Shastra is quoted Scripture.


Shastra must be correct always, not sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect. In the Vedic scriptures, the cow is described as a mother. Therefore she is a mother for all time; it is not, as some rascals say, that in the Vedic age she was a mother but she is not in this age. If Shastra is an authority, the cow is a mother always; she was a mother in the Vedic age, and she is a mother in this age also.


That is how Acharyas quote references, they do not manufacture.

You can attack me all you want, but that is the nature of taking the stance that the Vedas are absolute.

I challenge you to challenge the absoluteness of the Vedas, you will not win.
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Doesn't matter how you condition your claim of superiority over something. I'm not attacking you. I follow Sankara's tradition more or less but you have not seen me on here attacking your vaishnav perspective at all.

In Sankara's Vivekachudamani he says the study of the scriptures is useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known. The scriptures consisting of many words are a dense forest which merely causes the mind to ramble.

But *I* don't say that as I have no interest in attacking any perspectives and I have no attachment to any perspective except Atma-bhava. But it would be unfortunate if this thread degraded from expounding the Vedic jnana into a personal argument about who is right, who is wrong, who is higher and who is lower, etc.
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One more, if you don't mind: What is the relationship between the body and the Akasha?
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akasha, lighter than air
the fifth element
aka "aether"
all physical bodies, planets, stars, etc are held and nourished within it
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My second question has been with me for many years, after reading a book on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. He said one should perform "samyama" on the relationship between the body and akasha...I've never understood that.
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yes, use the sutra, AKASHA!
it makes your bodies "lighter than air"
which bodies?
physical, emotional, mental, intellectual, etc..
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Oh yeah OP, that cloth I found is a Lungta prayer flag. Sooo not Sanskrit, my bad ^_^
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Oh yeah OP, that cloth I found is a Lungta prayer flag. Sooo not Sanskrit, my bad ^_^
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Aha! That makes so much sense.

It looks very neat though. And It looks closely to Sanskrit!
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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In the Vedic scriptures, the cow is described as a mother. Therefore she is a mother for all time; it is not, as some rascals say, that in the Vedic age she was a mother but she is not in this age. If Shastra is an authority, the cow is a mother always; she was a mother in the Vedic age, and she is a mother in this age also.
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OP - I recall, having done a search a few years back regarding the "Sacred Cow" that some Hindu researchers discovered an error in translation out of Ancient Sanskrit.

In short, the word for "Cow" is also the word for "Light" so when Krishna is described as the keeper of the Cow, he is actually the keeper of the light. And the light is the Sacred Mother.

If this is true, this brings Vedic teachings into a more universal understanding, as research into western religion, particularly Christianity (Krish-tianity?) shows that Satan/Lucifer is, in fact, female or "Mother" and that Jesus associates with Venus, the "Bright and Morning Star" so he would be, like Krishna, a "Keeper of the Light".

What do you make of any of that?

Also, how old is Rama Empire? I could probably find out on my own, but I believe it is older than recorded civilization or, in otherwords, pre-deluvial.

Was there anything spiritually significant about Krishna's Death? Did he die in the previous age, or in the current? Would it make sense to you, in the age of Kali, that Krishna might come back and offer himself as a sacrifice for Mankind's fallen ways in this age?
I'm not too fond of Signatures. Why would I want to end every post the same way?
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I'm not too fond of Signatures. Why would I want to end every post the same way?
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once upon a time we also read the yoga sutras of patanjali, and wondered how they were to be performed?!

then this.. [link to www.aypsite.org]
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Are Gnostics Right?
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what is your mean of the god?
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sorry, it should read

What is the meaning of the word god?
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The Rig Veda is the book of Mantra. It contains the oldest form of all the Sanskrit mantras. It is built around a science of sound which comprehends the meaning and power of each letter. Most aspects of Vedic science like the practice of yoga, meditation, mantra and Ayurveda can be found in the Rig Veda and still use many terms that come from it.

How where the sounds of the letters established?
How was the geometry (for example :why does the letter 'A' look like an A)of each letter established?

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