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*** EUROPE BRACES FOR SERIOUS CROP LOSSES AND POWER GRID BLACKOUTS ***

 
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Record dry spring could drive up wheat prices, and lack of water may force nuclear reactors to shut down

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June 13 2011

LONDON -- One of the driest spring seasons on record in northern Europe has sucked soils dry and sharply reduced river levels to the point that governments are starting to fear crop losses and France, in particular, is bracing for blackouts as its river-cooled nuclear power plants may be forced to shut down.

French Agriculture Minister Bruno Le Maire warned this week that the warmest and driest spring in half a century could slash wheat yields and might even push up world prices despite the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization's predicting a bumper global crop due to greater plantings.

France has pledged hundreds of millions of euros in aid to its drought-stricken livestock farmers, who have watched feed supplies dwindle and prices rise. Water restrictions are in place in more than half of the country's administrative regions or departments.

"The situation is serious for French farmers. We wanted to act swiftly and on a large scale," Le Maire told reporters last week. And the French government has set up a committee to keep an eye on the country's electricity supply situation and monitor river levels, as 44 of the 58 nuclear reactors that supply 80 percent of France's electricity are cooled by river water.

The problem appears to be not that the reactors might overheat because of the lack of water but that the depleted rivers might overheat, creating ecological havoc, when the water returns to them after cooling the reactors.

The abnormally low rainfall and high temperatures -- similar in northern Europe to the major drought of 1976, but actually worse in France -- have also hit hydroelectric power availability and output in France.

Rainfall down 40-80%

The Geneva-based World Meteorological Organization said last week that between February and May of this year, rainfall over Europe as a whole ranged from 40 to 80 percent of the long-term average from 1951 to 2000, and in many parts of western and central Europe it was even below 40 percent. Between March and May, the outcome was even lower, with France, Germany and southeastern England the worst hit.

The preceding winter 2010-2011 was very dry in western Europe, causing very low soil moisture in March and April. This, coupled with the warmer-than-average temperatures, put major water stress on plants, and in particular, agricultural crops.Up to now, 2011 has been one of the 10 driest years in Switzerland since 1864, while in France, January to April was the driest period since 1975. In Germany, April this year was one of the 10 driest Aprils since 1881, WMO said. Springtime in Germany, it added, was the driest March-to-May period since 1893.

"This aggravated the water deficits compared to average seasonal conditions. Agriculture was highly affected in western and central Europe; the growth of crops lagged much behind usual conditions," WMO said.

Germany, which produces some 25 percent of the European Union's oilseed rape -- a major source of oil and animal feed as well as biodiesel -- expects to see the drought slash output by more than 20 percent.

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I continue to advance the theory that the world's food supply is artificially enhanced by technology beyond the capability of same to weather these types of events.

In other words, more people than food in a crisis.
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I continue to advance the theory that the world's food supply is artificially enhanced by technology beyond the capability of same to weather these types of events.

In other words, more people than food in a crisis.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Some say that the world can feed up to 50 billion people.
Do you believe it?

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A return to the dark ages.....bring out yer dead!....
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Now we know were all that water that fell in the USA came from.
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I continue to advance the theory that the world's food supply is artificially enhanced by technology beyond the capability of same to weather these types of events.

In other words, more people than food in a crisis.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Some say that the world can feed up to 50 billion people.
Do you believe it?

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Not if it is a function of corporate greed. The advances made in seed modification and hybrid promotion are bad science IMHO. They depend on this and artificial enhancement of soil which is not conducive to long-term soil health or natural process.

If the local industries were allowed to compete I believe each locality would balance the food needs of it's inhabitants with good agricultural practices ensuring future success without the need for these measures. The surpluses garnered in this way would be a boon to each local area, boosting morale, and supplying locales with better food and a better economy while taking the decision-making out of the hands of corporate entities which are not consumer-friendly.

We have gone from an agrarian society to metro in a matter of little more than a hundred years.

The fact is, some areas are not meant to be inhabited. These and the over-population in major metropolitan areas are the strain on the system.

An interruption in the food-supply chain for any reason will send the whole system into free-fall and many will starve.

3 days until the grocery stores close without continuous supply.

It's only a matter of when, in my opinion.
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I continue to advance the theory that the world's food supply is artificially enhanced by technology beyond the capability of same to weather these types of events.

In other words, more people than food in a crisis.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Some say that the world can feed up to 50 billion people.
Do you believe it?

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Not if it is a function of corporate greed. The advances made in seed modification and hybrid promotion are bad science IMHO. They depend on this and artificial enhancement of soil which is not conducive to long-term soil health or natural process.

If the local industries were allowed to compete I believe each locality would balance the food needs of it's inhabitants with good agricultural practices ensuring future success without the need for these measures. The surpluses garnered in this way would be a boon to each local area, boosting morale, and supplying locales with better food and a better economy while taking the decision-making out of the hands of corporate entities which are not consumer-friendly.

We have gone from an agrarian society to metro in a matter of little more than a hundred years.

The fact is, some areas are not meant to be inhabited. These and the over-population in major metropolitan areas are the strain on the system.

An interruption in the food-supply chain for any reason will send the whole system into free-fall and many will starve.

3 days until the grocery stores close without continuous supply.

It's only a matter of when, in my opinion.
 Quoting: Waterbug


However it all comes down to water supply.
No water = no crops.

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Been raining all week.. go figure.
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Been raining all week.. go figure.
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Really?
Apparently France has it worst!!

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Speaking of being sucked dry...erm, well never mind...
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Been raining all week.. go figure.
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Really?
Apparently France has it worst!!

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


maybe they can just take their three months of vacation and just worry about it later...
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Wow. Last summer it was massive fires burning grain crops in Russian, now Western Europe.

... not enough water to keep cooling nuclear power plants damned
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Wow. Last summer it was massive fires burning grain crops in Russian, now Western Europe.

... not enough water to keep cooling nuclear power plants damned
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That's their punishment for being atheistic, muzzie luv'n, lazy, socialistic, no family value having freaks...
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I continue to advance the theory that the world's food supply is artificially enhanced by technology beyond the capability of same to weather these types of events.

In other words, more people than food in a crisis.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Some say that the world can feed up to 50 billion people.
Do you believe it?

 Quoting: ~Andariel~




The fact is, some areas are not meant to be inhabited.
 Quoting: Waterbug


However it all comes down to water supply.
No water = no crops.

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Yes.
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There is plenty of food.

There are just too many people on the planet who want to eat it !!!!!!!
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Plenty of rain here the last few days.

Crop prices have grown and will grow mostly because market speculators.
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Wow. Last summer it was massive fires burning grain crops in Russian, now Western Europe.

... not enough water to keep cooling nuclear power plants damned
 Quoting: Resister


That's their punishment for being atheistic, muzzie luv'n, lazy, socialistic, no family value having freaks...
 Quoting: BRIEF


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So I guess you godfearing, muzzie hatin', hard working, capitalist, family loving (literally!?) freaks are thanking the Lord for sending you all the rain He can get at once. Take your zealotism down a notch or two so he'll be able to punish you with reduced shipments.
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Am fuckin parched ! we've had 4 humid days sigh but us europians are used to rain so were kinda happy,but yeah big drought across france the famers will lose out i plan a gourmande summer !
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Am fuckin parched ! we've had 4 humid days sigh but us europians are used to rain so were kinda happy,but yeah big drought across france the famers will lose out i plan a gourmande summer !
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I think the ability to go to the grocery store and get your food is taken for granted by most. In the event of a disaster such as Katrina, anarchy is almost instant.

The same could be said for any large city. These people are in the dark for the most part, as far as knowing what could happen or what they would do.

The government is not able or willing to address this scenario and a large segment of the population will suffer.

I don't know what would happen in Europe and elsewhere. I suspect the same types of things.
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Wow. Last summer it was massive fires burning grain crops in Russian, now Western Europe.

... not enough water to keep cooling nuclear power plants damned
 Quoting: Resister


That's their punishment for being atheistic, muzzie luv'n, lazy, socialistic, no family value having freaks...
 Quoting: BRIEF


cruise

So I guess you godfearing, muzzie hatin', hard working, capitalist, family loving (literally!?) freaks are thanking the Lord for sending you all the rain He can get at once. Take your zealotism down a notch or two so he'll be able to punish you with reduced shipments.
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No, that's our punishment for electing the negro...





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Wow. Last summer it was massive fires burning grain crops in Russian, now Western Europe.

... not enough water to keep cooling nuclear power plants damned
 Quoting: Resister


That's their punishment for being atheistic, muzzie luv'n, lazy, socialistic, no family value having freaks...
 Quoting: BRIEF


cruise

So I guess you godfearing, muzzie hatin', hard working, capitalist, family loving (literally!?) freaks are thanking the Lord for sending you all the rain He can get at once. Take your zealotism down a notch or two so he'll be able to punish you with reduced shipments.
 Quoting: TheBlackVegetable 1427727


No, that's our punishment for electing the negro...





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lol
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I think the ability to go to the grocery store and get your food is taken for granted by most. In the event of a disaster such as Katrina, anarchy is almost instant.

The same could be said for any large city. These people are in the dark for the most part, as far as knowing what could happen or what they would do.

The government is not able or willing to address this scenario and a large segment of the population will suffer.

I don't know what would happen in Europe and elsewhere. I suspect the same types of things.
 Quoting: Waterbug


The world as we know it today is absolutely dependent on daily food delivery.
If the chain of our food supply breaks, chaos and anarchy will be rampant.
I would say that 20% of people would die within the first month alone!!

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I think the ability to go to the grocery store and get your food is taken for granted by most. In the event of a disaster such as Katrina, anarchy is almost instant.

The same could be said for any large city. These people are in the dark for the most part, as far as knowing what could happen or what they would do.

The government is not able or willing to address this scenario and a large segment of the population will suffer.

I don't know what would happen in Europe and elsewhere. I suspect the same types of things.
 Quoting: Waterbug


The world as we know it today is absolutely dependent on daily food delivery.
If the chain of our food supply breaks, chaos and anarchy will be rampant.
I would say that 20% of people would die within the first month alone!!

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


My advice to anyone in these uncertain times would be to get out of the city if possible and become reasonably self-sufficient.
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anyone know a specific date?
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anyone know a specific date?
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For?
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anyone know a specific date?
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For?
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Isn't everyday a specific date?
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I think the ability to go to the grocery store and get your food is taken for granted by most. In the event of a disaster such as Katrina, anarchy is almost instant.

The same could be said for any large city. These people are in the dark for the most part, as far as knowing what could happen or what they would do.

The government is not able or willing to address this scenario and a large segment of the population will suffer.

I don't know what would happen in Europe and elsewhere. I suspect the same types of things.
 Quoting: Waterbug


The world as we know it today is absolutely dependent on daily food delivery.
If the chain of our food supply breaks, chaos and anarchy will be rampant.
I would say that 20% of people would die within the first month alone!!

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


My advice to anyone in these uncertain times would be to get out of the city if possible and become reasonably self-sufficient.
 Quoting: Waterbug


That, my friend is not possible anymore for the vast majority of people.
Dependency and complete lack of real world skills, aka. agriculture and tools manufacturing, make most people vulnerable to the situation we have been discussing.
Furthermore, most cultivable land is already taken and also remember that some areas are season dependent, like here in Canada.
We only have roughly 8 months out of the year to be able to produce what we need, the other 4 months everything is frozen solid.

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Hey
I live in an agricultural area, loads of crops, turning nicely, all looks ok.
Already had rapeseed (yellow peril).

Andariel,why have you got a chip basket on your head?

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