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what reasonable deity holds people responsible for the actions of their supposed ancestors 6000 years ago? Because adam and eve committed an offense against their god, that god holds everyone after that responsible for the original transgression.

This is the height of immorality, and is the BASIS for the christian need for a savior. It also shows that the christian god doesnt think personal responsibility is a good idea, either.


No wonder christians are in fear of their god: its an unstable monster who does things that make no sense.
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The problem lies withing your own brain and it's inability to understand in depth what Jesus taught. Don't take it personally, 99.9% of Christians have zero understanding as well.
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The problem lies withing your own brain and it's inability to understand in depth what Jesus taught. Don't take it personally, 99.9% of Christians have zero understanding as well.
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Was that the teaching of jesus where he supports killing children that dont honor their fathers and mothers? (matthew 15:1-7)

Or the teaching of jesus where he says that people who wish to be perfect should sell their possessions and give to the poor? (matthew 19:21)

Do you also follow the commandments, according to jesus:
Do not murder
Do not commit adultery
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Honor your father and mother
And curiously, love thy neighbor as thyself
(Matthew 19:18-19)
(he is really serious about the honoring the father and mother, as shown above, and i find it interesting that jesus is naming commandments that arent commandments.)
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Judging God. lol, let us know how that turns out for ya.
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The problem lies withing your own brain and it's inability to understand in depth what Jesus taught. Don't take it personally, 99.9% of Christians have zero understanding as well.
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Was that the teaching of jesus where he supports killing children that dont honor their fathers and mothers? (matthew 15:1-7)

Or the teaching of jesus where he says that people who wish to be perfect should sell their possessions and give to the poor? (matthew 19:21)

Do you also follow the commandments, according to jesus:
Do not murder
Do not commit adultery
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Honor your father and mother
And curiously, love thy neighbor as thyself
(Matthew 19:18-19)
(he is really serious about the honoring the father and mother, as shown above, and i find it interesting that jesus is naming commandments that arent commandments.)
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Some one wanna tell me again what Jesus was doing on that cross 2000 years ago? I had thought he died for my sins, but maybe I was wrong.

Why did the cross answer Yes, when asked if he had preached to those asleep?
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Judging God. lol, let us know how that turns out for ya.
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Turned out wonderful so far. My life is better in every measurable way since I left behind your monster god and started thinking for myself.
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The problem lies withing your own brain and it's inability to understand in depth what Jesus taught. Don't take it personally, 99.9% of Christians have zero understanding as well.
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Was that the teaching of jesus where he supports killing children that dont honor their fathers and mothers? (matthew 15:1-7)

Or the teaching of jesus where he says that people who wish to be perfect should sell their possessions and give to the poor? (matthew 19:21)

Do you also follow the commandments, according to jesus:
Do not murder
Do not commit adultery
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Honor your father and mother
And curiously, love thy neighbor as thyself
(Matthew 19:18-19)
(he is really serious about the honoring the father and mother, as shown above, and i find it interesting that jesus is naming commandments that arent commandments.)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


Some one wanna tell me again what Jesus was doing on that cross 2000 years ago? I had thought he died for my sins, but maybe I was wrong.

Why did the cross answer Yes, when asked if he had preached to those asleep?
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Lets see your evidence that jesus even existed in the first place, because you would be the first. Until you do that, you can claim whatever the hell you want, but its meaningless.

Oh, and if you are going to present Josephus or Tacitus as evidence, try again. both of their mentions of jesus are widely accepted to be later forgeries by christian scholars.

Also, if you are going to use the shroud of turin, try again. It depicts a person who is 2 inches taller in the front than in the back.

Not only that, but the entire idea that Pilate would allow Barabbas, a KNOWN revolutionary and and rioter, to go free in place of jesus is fucking ridiculous.
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Divine Sovereignty, Human Freedom and Responsibility in Prophetic Thought ...
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Your propeganda has what to do with this issue?
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
Thanks for sharing your views OP.

Scripture tells us that God holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions and words and thoughts.

That each man reaps what he sows.

God gives a man instruction and counsel in ways that benefit a man, Not God. Each man is free to do with these things as he sees right.

We can chose to listen and accept and follow his advice, or ignore it.

I suspect this is not new knowledge to you. I suspect this knowledge is within the heart of all men.

...and so we each do what we are compelled to do.

peace,
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
Thanks for sharing your views OP.

Scripture tells us that God holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions and words and thoughts.

That each man reaps what he sows.

God gives a man instruction and counsel in ways that benefit a man, Not God. Each man is free to do with these things as he sees right.

We can chose to listen and accept and follow his advice, or ignore it.

I suspect this is not new knowledge to you. I suspect this knowledge is within the heart of all men.

...and so we each do what we are compelled to do.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


If god holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions, why are we all born with the taint of original sin?

That is god specifically holding us responsible for the actions of adam and eve.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
Lets see your evidence that jesus even existed in the first place, because you would be the first. Until you do that, you can claim whatever the hell you want, but its meaningless.

Oh, and if you are going to present Josephus or Tacitus as evidence, try again. both of their mentions of jesus are widely accepted to be later forgeries by christian scholars.

Also, if you are going to use the shroud of turin, try again. It depicts a person who is 2 inches taller in the front than in the back.

Not only that, but the entire idea that Pilate would allow Barabbas, a KNOWN revolutionary and and rioter, to go free in place of jesus is fucking ridiculous.
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Yeah and why would the Sanhedrin deliver him to Pilatus anyway. They had the power to stone him to death for religious crimes.

No, if they sent him to Pilatus, he must have been into some deep dirty criminal business.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
Hahahha!

God is NOT holding anybody responsible, and HE/She/It would dream of holding anybody responsible. Much less considering "sins."

That is all man made, in order to control their fellow man.

There are NO sins.

Do you think THE God of Creation, the Omnipotent Being needs anything from what It created. It DOESN"T need anything!
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the bible teaches the "laws" of consequence from which there is no escape

man has undone men

there is noone to blame but men

be mad, youre fukt
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It would have been infinitely better to have never lived, than to have lived a fucked up existence in a fucked up world, and then spend eternity being tortured because you didn't get the message right.

If Adam's sin condemned his seed to hell, why not just kill Adam and be done with it?

Personally, I don't condemn my dog for licking his ass or smelling other dog's asses or fucking some stray bitch, after all, he's just being a dog. Dogs do what dogs are created to do. Men do what men are created to do.

What a difference it would have made if God had put a better processor in his self-replicating robots and we weren't so stupid. Imagine how this world would be if we all had the IQ of Einstein, or greater. Prisons are full of stupid people. Why? Because they're stupid. They don't grasp the finer details of living trouble free.
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Thanks for sharing your views OP.

Scripture tells us that God holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions and words and thoughts.

That each man reaps what he sows.

God gives a man instruction and counsel in ways that benefit a man, Not God. Each man is free to do with these things as he sees right.

We can chose to listen and accept and follow his advice, or ignore it.

I suspect this is not new knowledge to you. I suspect this knowledge is within the heart of all men.

...and so we each do what we are compelled to do.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


God is neither immoral or a monster, OP.

He is HOLY, and just and good.

That is why I rejected the doctrine of "original sin" even as a child.

Whatever "Adam and Eve" did, it is NOT MY FAULT.

You cannot inherit sin.
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Your propeganda has what to do with this issue?

Faith for healing, has the most excellent chapter on the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He will lead you into all TRUTH.

The other booklet will help you understand thet the premise for your argument is weak.
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the bible teaches the "laws" of consequence from which there is no escape


be mad, youre fukt
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If these "laws" would be permanently visible in the sky or in the sea or carved in unearthy stone that we could not destruct or understand what it is, one could ponder if they were devine...

When they are written in a God Damn (pun intended) BOOK then they are written by MEN and men with power.

Well, what you should never trust are men with power, they write whatever to keep you foolish and freigtend and powerless.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
what reasonable deity holds people responsible for the actions of their supposed ancestors 6000 years ago? Because adam and eve committed an offense against their god, that god holds everyone after that responsible for the original transgression.

This is the height of immorality, and is the BASIS for the christian need for a savior. It also shows that the christian god doesnt think personal responsibility is a good idea, either.


No wonder christians are in fear of their god: its an unstable monster who does things that make no sense.
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Oh brother, oh brother, oh brother, not how it works brother. The people reincarnating here over and over and over and over and over and over........ are responsible for their own background and sins. There is only ONE GOD< ONE FATHER of the Creation by the way. There is NO original sin, that is the stupid stupid stupid stupid teaching that is not true.
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It would have been infinitely better to have never lived, than to have lived a fucked up existence in a fucked up world, and then spend eternity being tortured because you didn't get the message right.

If Adam's sin condemned his seed to hell, why not just kill Adam and be done with it?

Personally, I don't condemn my dog for licking his ass or smelling other dog's asses or fucking some stray bitch, after all, he's just being a dog. Dogs do what dogs are created to do. Men do what men are created to do.

What a difference it would have made if God had put a better processor in his self-replicating robots and we weren't so stupid. Imagine how this world would be if we all had the IQ of Einstein, or greater. Prisons are full of stupid people. Why? Because they're stupid. They don't grasp the finer details of living trouble free.
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dogs dont make nuclear power plants bro

pretend people arent responsible for the dying of their world
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Thanks for sharing your views OP.

Scripture tells us that God holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions and words and thoughts.

That each man reaps what he sows.

God gives a man instruction and counsel in ways that benefit a man, Not God. Each man is free to do with these things as he sees right.

We can chose to listen and accept and follow his advice, or ignore it.

I suspect this is not new knowledge to you. I suspect this knowledge is within the heart of all men.

...and so we each do what we are compelled to do.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


God is neither immoral or a monster, OP.

He is HOLY, and just and good.

That is why I rejected the doctrine of "original sin" even as a child.

Whatever "Adam and Eve" did, it is NOT MY FAULT.

You cannot inherit sin.
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So, you dont think jesus was a savior then?

Without original sin, we need no savior, as the fall of man is why we have a sinful nature, and need a savior.

Which also means that you arent a christian.
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what reasonable deity holds people responsible for the actions of their supposed ancestors
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He doesn't. We are punished in a sense because of previous generations because of their lack of obedience. ie. Family members who are responsible for demonstrating the law, respecting the Sabbath, honoring the Commandments are going to have a negative impact on their children's lives and jeopardize their salvation.

But other than demonstration our ancestors transgressions are not weighed upon our heads.

We are individually responsible for our transgressions. Not for our forefathers.

And to me 'Original Sin' if you believe in that isn't meant to imply that we are held accountable for anyone's actions other than our own, but we can suffer because of the actions of others, but that is not judgement from God when we suffer because of the actions of others.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
what reasonable deity holds people responsible for the actions of their supposed ancestors 6000 years ago? Because adam and eve committed an offense against their god, that god holds everyone after that responsible for the original transgression.

This is the height of immorality, and is the BASIS for the christian need for a savior. It also shows that the christian god doesnt think personal responsibility is a good idea, either.


No wonder christians are in fear of their god: its an unstable monster who does things that make no sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


Oh brother, oh brother, oh brother, not how it works brother. The people reincarnating here over and over and over and over and over and over........ are responsible for their own background and sins. There is only ONE GOD< ONE FATHER of the Creation by the way. There is NO original sin, that is the stupid stupid stupid stupid teaching that is not true.
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Youll have to take that up with the christians, not me. Its their religion.

Oh, and your belief is just as ridiculous.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
the bible teaches the "laws" of consequence from which there is no escape


be mad, youre fukt
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If these "laws" would be permanently visible in the sky or in the sea or carved in unearthy stone that we could not destruct or understand what it is, one could ponder if they were devine...

When they are written in a God Damn (pun intended) BOOK then they are written by MEN and men with power.

Well, what you should never trust are men with power, they write whatever to keep you foolish and freigtend and powerless.
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pretend you dont know why stealing murdering and fornicating are destructive.
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what reasonable deity holds people responsible for the actions of their supposed ancestors
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He doesn't. We are punished in a sense because of previous generations because of their lack of obedience. ie. Family members who are responsible for demonstrating the law, respecting the Sabbath, honoring the Commandments are going to have a negative impact on their children's lives and jeopardize their salvation.

But other than demonstration our ancestors transgressions are not weighed upon our heads.

We are individually responsible for our transgressions. Not for our forefathers.

And to me 'Original Sin' if you believe in that isn't meant to imply that we are held accountable for anyone's actions other than our own, but we can suffer because of the actions of others, but that is not judgement from God when we suffer because of the actions of others.
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This is the problem with christians. YOU CANT EVEN AGREE AMONGST YOURSELVES WHAT YOUR RELIGION TEACHES!

Original sin is, according to a doctrine proposed in Christian theology, humanity's state of sin resulting from the Fall of Man. This condition has been characterized in many ways, ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature," to something as drastic as total depravity or automatic guilt by all humans through collective guilt.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
Thanks for sharing your views OP.

Scripture tells us that God holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions and words and thoughts.

That each man reaps what he sows.

God gives a man instruction and counsel in ways that benefit a man, Not God. Each man is free to do with these things as he sees right.

We can chose to listen and accept and follow his advice, or ignore it.

I suspect this is not new knowledge to you. I suspect this knowledge is within the heart of all men.

...and so we each do what we are compelled to do.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


God is neither immoral or a monster, OP.

He is HOLY, and just and good.

That is why I rejected the doctrine of "original sin" even as a child.

Whatever "Adam and Eve" did, it is NOT MY FAULT.

You cannot inherit sin.
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So, you dont think jesus was a savior then?

Without original sin, we need no savior, as the fall of man is why we have a sinful nature, and need a savior.

Which also means that you arent a christian.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


Brother or Sister, where IS YOUR MIND, Please put it on, God gave you one after all. And christianity dear one, is your big FALSE PROPHET. Jesus demonstrated how to have a relationship with the Father within. He did not start a religion, he said religion is your personal relationship with the Father.

He also taught that God was his Father and YOUR FATHER and you are HIS SON. That one still doesn't ring with people. There is no such thing as original sin, this is one of many completely false teachngs in the bible that god did not write, nor did the HOly Spirit right it or make sure it was written correctly. You ones have no idea of what God is, because of the silly book you follow.

Jesus was real, but what is taught about him is false for the most part.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
Thanks for sharing your views OP.

Scripture tells us that God holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions and words and thoughts.

That each man reaps what he sows.

God gives a man instruction and counsel in ways that benefit a man, Not God. Each man is free to do with these things as he sees right.

We can chose to listen and accept and follow his advice, or ignore it.

I suspect this is not new knowledge to you. I suspect this knowledge is within the heart of all men.

...and so we each do what we are compelled to do.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


God is neither immoral or a monster, OP.

He is HOLY, and just and good.

That is why I rejected the doctrine of "original sin" even as a child.

Whatever "Adam and Eve" did, it is NOT MY FAULT.

You cannot inherit sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1222180


So, you dont think jesus was a savior then?

Without original sin, we need no savior, as the fall of man is why we have a sinful nature, and need a savior.

Which also means that you arent a christian.

You are being foolish.

Jesus saves us when we repent of the sins WE committed. We do not need forgiveness from sins that OTHER people committed.
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the bible teaches the "laws" of consequence from which there is no escape


be mad, youre fukt
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If these "laws" would be permanently visible in the sky or in the sea or carved in unearthy stone that we could not destruct or understand what it is, one could ponder if they were devine...

When they are written in a God Damn (pun intended) BOOK then they are written by MEN and men with power.

Well, what you should never trust are men with power, they write whatever to keep you foolish and freigtend and powerless.
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pretend you dont know why stealing murdering and fornicating are destructive.
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Because they are disruptive to the collective agreement known as a society. Nothing at all to do with god.

If you study nature, you will see that all social animals have at least a rudimentary morality. Individuals are punished for transgressions against others, or against the tenets of the group as a whole.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
what reasonable deity holds people responsible for the actions of their supposed ancestors 6000 years ago? Because adam and eve committed an offense against their god, that god holds everyone after that responsible for the original transgression.

This is the height of immorality, and is the BASIS for the christian need for a savior. It also shows that the christian god doesnt think personal responsibility is a good idea, either.


No wonder christians are in fear of their god: its an unstable monster who does things that make no sense.
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You are correct. No "God" would ever act in such a selfish, childish manner. Hence why this God is not real and obviously man-made. The bible is fake. Christianity is a lie. The end.
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Re: god is immoral for holding current men responsible for sins of the past
Thanks for sharing your views OP.

Scripture tells us that God holds each man responsible and accountable for their own actions and words and thoughts.

That each man reaps what he sows.

God gives a man instruction and counsel in ways that benefit a man, Not God. Each man is free to do with these things as he sees right.

We can chose to listen and accept and follow his advice, or ignore it.

I suspect this is not new knowledge to you. I suspect this knowledge is within the heart of all men.

...and so we each do what we are compelled to do.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


God is neither immoral or a monster, OP.

He is HOLY, and just and good.

That is why I rejected the doctrine of "original sin" even as a child.

Whatever "Adam and Eve" did, it is NOT MY FAULT.

You cannot inherit sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1222180


So, you dont think jesus was a savior then?

Without original sin, we need no savior, as the fall of man is why we have a sinful nature, and need a savior.

Which also means that you arent a christian.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


Brother or Sister, where IS YOUR MIND, Please put it on, God gave you one after all. And christianity dear one, is your big FALSE PROPHET. Jesus demonstrated how to have a relationship with the Father within. He did not start a religion, he said religion is your personal relationship with the Father.

He also taught that God was his Father and YOUR FATHER and you are HIS SON. That one still doesn't ring with people. There is no such thing as original sin, this is one of many completely false teachngs in the bible that god did not write, nor did the HOly Spirit right it or make sure it was written correctly. You ones have no idea of what God is, because of the silly book you follow.

Jesus was real, but what is taught about him is false for the most part.
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Tell that to Paul. He certainly didnt write like he thought jesus was real, and he is the entire basis for the christian religion.

Oh, and lets see the evidence for your jesus being real. We have only been waiting for 2000 years for that one.
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what reasonable deity holds people responsible for the actions of their supposed ancestors
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


He doesn't. We are punished in a sense because of previous generations because of their lack of obedience. ie. Family members who are responsible for demonstrating the law, respecting the Sabbath, honoring the Commandments are going to have a negative impact on their children's lives and jeopardize their salvation.

But other than demonstration our ancestors transgressions are not weighed upon our heads.

We are individually responsible for our transgressions. Not for our forefathers.

And to me 'Original Sin' if you believe in that isn't meant to imply that we are held accountable for anyone's actions other than our own, but we can suffer because of the actions of others, but that is not judgement from God when we suffer because of the actions of others.
 Quoting: Tyranny of Evil Men


This is the problem with christians. YOU CANT EVEN AGREE AMONGST YOURSELVES WHAT YOUR RELIGION TEACHES!

Original sin is, according to a doctrine proposed in Christian theology, humanity's state of sin resulting from the Fall of Man. This condition has been characterized in many ways, ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature," to something as drastic as total depravity or automatic guilt by all humans through collective guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


That's why men are individually responsible for study of the law and discerning the truth themselves, not relying upon Benny Hinn or snake handling Christians to rely upon for doctrine. If you rely upon the Holy Spirit to interpret doctrine for you, another mans differing opinion isn't going to matter. Because you understand it. Therefore that doctrine has ONE MEANING, to you! And what some "professional" preacher who is using tithing money to hire gay prostitutes thinks the same scripture is going to mean won't matter.

Never pin your faith, belief in God, or your understanding of doctrine upon another man. It will have negative consequences. Each man is capable of receiving individual inspiration and understanding of doctrine and scriptural law upon receiving the Spirit upon abandoning serious transgression. I have even seen non-Christians be inspired and they didn't even know that it had occurred. Including people on this forum, some of whom very likely haven't abandoned transgression.

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