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When will the USAF show us there REAL anti-gravitic aircraft?

 
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When will the USAF show us there REAL anti-gravitic aircraft?
After WWII secrecy and compartmentilization was drilled into the US Military psyche due to heavy infiltration of Russian spies.

It's hard to untrain that mindset those in power, especially those at the top who have been in power for decades in the military who have thought of secrecy as the 11th commandment handed down by God.

But things have changed and the gap ever widens between what we have that is truly State-Of-The-Art and what we present to the public as state of the art.

In fact the gap has never been so wide. NASA and the conventional USAF have become just a poster boy, a front to hide the true air force and true space program which is now one and the same.


One only needs to look at the evidence to see this is the case. I present 3 undeniable date points.

- Michael Schratt's secret aircraft research
- Ben Rich's statement
- NASA's extremely small budgest and dwindling relevancy

Look at how small NASA's budget is. It is a drop in the bucket. It was an organization that inspired the American spirit but now appears to have become increasingly irrelevant as we publicly don't even achieve what we achived in the 60's. There is no ambitious plans in the works, no dream as there once was.

But this is only due to one fact and one fact only. We have developed anti-gravitic propulsion systems and space/aircraft since the 60s!

One only has to look into the research of Micheal Schratt, a secret airplane historian. He has talked to those directly involved with these projects and has been given documentation.

The extent of what we have is mind boggling.



Another clue, Ben Rich, the former head of Skunkworks. He has publicly stated many times that we have the technology to take ET home. But he also mention's due to the secrecy mindset drilled into those in charge, it would take an act of God to get them out so you could see them.


This is where I have a philosophical problem with keeping this stuff secret. Yes we should keep it secret. But at what price to humanity when these advanced propulsion and energy systems could turn this world into a literal paradise.

One has to ponder these questions.
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Another clue, Ben Rich, the former head of Skunkworks. He has publicly stated many times that we have the technology to take ET home. But he also mention's due to the secrecy mindset drilled into those in charge, it would take an act of God to get them out so you could see them.
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Bullshit.
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Another clue, Ben Rich, the former head of Skunkworks. He has publicly stated many times that we have the technology to take ET home. But he also mention's due to the secrecy mindset drilled into those in charge, it would take an act of God to get them out so you could see them.
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Bullshit.
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Oh yeah. Well buddy, he was caught on tape saying these things. Once at a Cal Tech Engineering Alumni event. And another at some other University where he gave a speech. This is well documented. Where have you been the last 20 years?


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“Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty (50) years beyond what you could possibly comprehend. If you have seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there done that, or decided it was not worth the effort”
(Source: direct comments by Ben Rich to Jim Goodall via telephone call at the USC medical center approximately one week before Ben passed away on January 5th 1995)
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Ben Rich never said anything of the kind.

You are quoting a fame and adoration money seeking fraud who put words in someones mouth.

Get a half a brian
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Ben Rich...Quotes...

"The U. S. Air Force has just given us a contract to take E. T. back home."

"We also know how to travel to the stars."

"Anything you can imagine we already know how to do."

"If you've seen it in Star Trek or Star Wars, we've been there and done that."

"We have things in the Nevada desert that are alien to your way of thinking far beyond anything you see on Star Trek."
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Next war, when they face serious opposition.
It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than now.
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You guys are trolling. This has been documented a million times and he even has been videotaped twice saying these things. This is common knowledge. If you don't know this stuff you guys need to go back to UFO 101 school before you continue to make fools of yourselvs on GLP

is either that are you are trolls. Next you'll tell me the sky is green, not blue.
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Next war, when they face serious opposition.
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DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

We have a winner! I say this all the time myself.
When the shit hits the fan, look up and prepare to be amazed
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Ben Rich never said anything of the kind.

You are quoting a fame and adoration money seeking fraud who put words in someones mouth.

Get a half a brian
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Yep.

If the OP knew anything about Mr. Rich, he'd be ashamed of repeating this drivel.
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The cool thing is my Australian mate. I have two words for you.

PINE GAP

The US and Australia share this stuff. So I would mess with the Aussies either.
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You guys are trolling. This has been documented a million times and he even has been videotaped twice saying these things. This is common knowledge. If you don't know this stuff you guys need to go back to UFO 101 school before you continue to make fools of yourselvs on GLP

is either that are you are trolls. Next you'll tell me the sky is green, not blue.
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I suggest you do some actual fact checking and research.

You are quoting mostly a guy named bud who is a complete fraud.

do your FACT checking and stay out of moron ufo sites
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Hopkins.

BWAHAHAHA
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BEN RICH QUOTES:
Thread: So, you think there are NO such thing as UFO's????, well think again....

You should be ashamed for trolling.


Ben Rich never said anything of the kind.

You are quoting a fame and adoration money seeking fraud who put words in someones mouth.

Get a half a brian
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Yep.

If the OP knew anything about Mr. Rich, he'd be ashamed of repeating this drivel.
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propoganda
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Stop TROLLING to derail the thread. And if you are going to troll and least try to troll something that hasn't been documented 100 times over. I'm quoting Ben Rich, who is on tape saying this.

You are just trying to derail this you gov't shill.

You guys are trolling. This has been documented a million times and he even has been videotaped twice saying these things. This is common knowledge. If you don't know this stuff you guys need to go back to UFO 101 school before you continue to make fools of yourselvs on GLP

is either that are you are trolls. Next you'll tell me the sky is green, not blue.
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I suggest you do some actual fact checking and research.

You are quoting mostly a guy named bud who is a complete fraud.

do your FACT checking and stay out of moron ufo sites
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LOL
I imagine a skunkworks guy talking would be disinfo, they are sworn to a non-disclosure agreement, they can not violate it unless they want to be in a fed pen and their assets taken.

But, yes, the next war (non MENA police actions at least) is when we will see the next level of tech. just like when we watched F117s on CNN during Gulf Storm. The next round will be TR3-Bs bombing China/Russia/Iran/what have you..
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Stop TROLLING to derail the thread. And if you are going to troll and least try to troll something that hasn't been documented 100 times over. I'm quoting Ben Rich, who is on tape saying this.

You are just trying to derail this you gov't shill.

You guys are trolling. This has been documented a million times and he even has been videotaped twice saying these things. This is common knowledge. If you don't know this stuff you guys need to go back to UFO 101 school before you continue to make fools of yourselvs on GLP

is either that are you are trolls. Next you'll tell me the sky is green, not blue.
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I suggest you do some actual fact checking and research.

You are quoting mostly a guy named bud who is a complete fraud.

do your FACT checking and stay out of moron ufo sites
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Just cuz someone knows, prolly from years of reading, who the frauds are, doesnt mean they are a shill.
A shill comes to a forum, copy pastas a political talking point and never returns to that thread after creating it. You look like such a noob right now. Learn some critical thinking.

There are tons of frauds, more than there are any real people out there, just listen to C2C AM!
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When the oil runs out and they must....
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The world wide governmnets use people as cattle+voting machine; they look at you as a subhuman, brainless idiot (their point of you not mine)...so why would they give anything to the voting cattle? They'll never offer advanced technology for Humanity; in the contrary, they want to REDUCE the amount of humans, not increase it with galactic tech. (free-energy, nano-replicators for clothes, food...it wouldn't give any profit!)
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What don't you understand.

Ben Rich is on video tape saying this stuff himself.

Are you calling Ben Rich a fraud? lololol


Stop TROLLING to derail the thread. And if you are going to troll and least try to troll something that hasn't been documented 100 times over. I'm quoting Ben Rich, who is on tape saying this.

You are just trying to derail this you gov't shill.

You guys are trolling. This has been documented a million times and he even has been videotaped twice saying these things. This is common knowledge. If you don't know this stuff you guys need to go back to UFO 101 school before you continue to make fools of yourselvs on GLP

is either that are you are trolls. Next you'll tell me the sky is green, not blue.
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I suggest you do some actual fact checking and research.

You are quoting mostly a guy named bud who is a complete fraud.

do your FACT checking and stay out of moron ufo sites
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428328

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Just cuz someone knows, prolly from years of reading, who the frauds are, doesnt mean they are a shill.
A shill comes to a forum, copy pastas a political talking point and never returns to that thread after creating it. You look like such a noob right now. Learn some critical thinking.

There are tons of frauds, more than there are any real people out there, just listen to C2C AM!
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I must correct myself.

The frauds name is Boyd Bushman

A clerk for Lockheed that got paid to spread UFO propaganda to make some dough.

As far as the "tape" there is no copy ever presented that shows Rich was the person actually doing the talking.

This was debunked shortly after it came out.

I am selling nothing but search to find facts.

It is not my problem if you have bought into the fraud and have decided to become a shill for free out of embarrassment of your personal gullibility.

You are not alone in choosing to perpetuate such for this reason
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Show me where it has been debunked.
Dude I SAW THE VIDEO OF BEN RICH MYSELF. Me and millions others. It was on some History channel program. Ben Rich is giving a lecture with slides. He makes his famous quote and shows a metallic black disk flying out into space.

Nice Try. You are REALLY trying hard to spread lies and disinformation. What is your motive? Gov't shill, or just plain trollin'

I must correct myself.

The frauds name is Boyd Bushman

A clerk for Lockheed that got paid to spread UFO propaganda to make some dough.

As far as the "tape" there is no copy ever presented that shows Rich was the person actually doing the talking.

This was debunked shortly after it came out.

I am selling nothing but search to find facts.

It is not my problem if you have bought into the fraud and have decided to become a shill for free out of embarrassment of your personal gullibility.

You are not alone in choosing to perpetuate such for this reason
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anti-gravitic is not a word


antigravity is
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Show me where it has been debunked.
Dude I SAW THE VIDEO OF BEN RICH MYSELF. Me and millions others. It was on some History channel program.
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Show me.

Oh yeah....you can't.
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I sure can. I just dont' have access to video content at work. I will gladly show you afterwork my friend. Even if it means uploading the thing myself. =)
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show me where it was supposedly debunked in the meantime.
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And how much did you pay to see it?

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We look forward to your video

We will show you then.
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In the meantime, here is some reading to catch up with until I post the vid.

[link to xenophilius.wordpress.com]

Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confession


According to article published in May 2010 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal …- Ben Rich, the “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber” and former head of Lockheed Skunk Works,had once let out information about Extraterrestrial UFO Visitors Are Real And U.S. Military Travel To Stars
What he said might be new to many people today, but he revealed the information before his death in January 1995. His statements helped to give credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft.

The article was written by Tom Keller, an aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

1 : “Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed’s secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions.”

2 : “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

3 : “We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”


4 : When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, “Let me ask you. How does ESP work?” The questioner responded with, “All points in time and space are connected?” Rich then said, “That’s how it works!”

Ben Rich Lockheed Former CEO knew of extraterrestrial UFO visitors


Lockheed “Skunk Works” former CEO knew the Roswell extraterrestrial UFO influenced designs of Testor model kits for Roswell UFO models, and U.S. top secret aircraft. According to a CNI News report by Colorado resident Michael Lindemann, the design information was derived from forensic illustrations and numerous witness testimonies about the Roswell UFO, provided by William L. “Bill” McDonald.

In an e-mail, dated July 29, 1999, apparently addressed to Lindemann, McDonald referenced an excerpt of a discussion with Harold Puthoff, founder of the highly classified U.S. “remote viewing” program.



McDonald said: “Well Hal, you asked for it! Now that legendary Lockheed engineer and chief model kit designer for the Testor Corporation, John Andrews, is dead, I can announce that he personally confirmed the design connection between the Roswell Spacecraft and the Lockheed Martin Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs), spyplanes, Joint Strike Fighters, and Space Shuttles.


Andrews was a close personal friend of “Skunk Works” CEO Ben Rich — the hand-picked successor of Skunk Works founder Kelly Johnson and the man famous for the F-117 Nighthawk “Stealth” fighter, its “half-pint” prototype the “HAVE BLUE”, and the top-secret F-19 Stealth Interceptor. Before Rich died of cancer, Andrews took my questions to him.
Dr. Ben R. Rich former Lockheed Skunk Works CEO confirmed:

1. There are 2 types of UFOs — the ones we build and ones ‘they’ build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual “hand-me-downs.” The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon “purge”, administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…

2. Nearly all “biomorphic” aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft — from Kelly’s SR-71 Blackbird onward to today’s drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft…

3. It was Ben Rich’s opinion that the public should not be told [about UFOs and extraterrestrials] . He believed they could not handle the truth — ever. Only in the last months of his decline did he begin to feel that the “international corporate board of directors” dealing with the “Subject” could represent a bigger problem to citizens’ personal freedoms under the United States Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves.”


Lindemann added that “Bill McDonald received the above information from Andrews from 1994 until their last phone call near Christmas in 1998.” Lindemann also noted “It should also be known that Dr. Ben R. Rich attended a public aerospace designers and engineers conference in 1993 before his illness overwhelmed him in which he stated — in the presence of MUFON Orange County Section Director Jan Harzan and many others that – ‘We’ (i.e., the U.S. aerospace community/military industrial complex) had in it’s possession the technology to “take us to the stars”.
See the complete letter in May, 2010 MUFON UFO Journal from John Andrews and the hand written reply from Dr. Ben Rich. Hear more revealing testimony from Disclosure Project whistleblowers. NASA can not deny secrets discovered by UK hacker Gary McKinnon and many astronauts if it expects full funding from the Obama White House administration.


Lockheed Skunkworks Engineer USAF, and CIA Contractor Admitted : UFO Are Real


Don Phillips, “These UFOs were huge and they would just come to a stop and do a 60 degree, 45 degree, 10 degree turn, and then immediately reverse this action”. During the Apollo landing, Neil Armstrong says, “They’re here.They are right over there and looking at the size of those ships., it is obvious they dont like us being here”. When I was working with the Skunkworks with Kelly Johnson, we signed an agreement with the government to keep very quiet about this.

Anti-gravitational research was going on. We know that there were some captured craft from 1947 in Roswell, they were real. And, yes, we really did get some technology from them. And, yes, we really did put it to work. We knew each other from what we call an unseen industry. We can term it black, deep black, or hidden.

The knowledge I have of these technologies came from the craft that were captured here. I didn`t see the craft, nor did I see the bodies, but I certainly know some of the people that did. There was no question that there were beings from outside the planet.

Are these ET people hostile? Well, if they were hostile, with their weaponry they could have destroyed us a long time ago. We got these things that are handhold scanners that scan the body and determine what the condition is. We can also treat from the same scanner.

I can tell you personally that we’ve been working on them. And we have ones that can diagnose and cure cancer. One of the purposes I had for founding my technology corporation in 1998 was to bring forth these technologies that can clean the air and can help get rid of the toxins, and help reduce the need for so much fossil fuel. Yes, it is time. I can tell you personally that it has already started. pp. 375 ,383.
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Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confession
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You have a video of his deathbed confession ?

You just debunked yourself.
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lolol.. how's that? lol... you are too funny junior.

i have present 3 or 4 links, and posted valid info. i have never seen anyone trying to say the Ben Rich stuff isn't real. even hardcore skeptics.

you are the first. Never thought I say it, but you suck at even trolling.




Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confession
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You have a video of his deathbed confession ?

You just debunked yourself.
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You said you have him on video saying this.

Then, you link it as a deathbed confession.

Which is it ?

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