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Jesus teaches His Apostles about Hell and The Chastisements of Outer Darkness, Excerpts from Pista Sophia

 
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The following is excerpted from Pista Sophia, which are lost teachings of Jesus to His Disciples about the Chastisements of Hell and Outer Darkness. (free download on the web)

“OUTER DARKNESS!”
“The Dragon of Outer Darkness!”

Jesus reveals: “The Outer Darkness is a great dragon, whose tail is in its mouth, outside the whole world and surrounding the whole world. And, there are many regions of chastisements within it. There are twelve mighty chastisement-dungeons and a ruler is in every dungeon and the face of the rulers is different one from another.” (p263)


Those Souls, who go into Outer Darkness!

Jesus continues: “No soul will be led into the Dragon (of Outer Darkness) through these doors, but the souls of the blasphemers and of those who are in the doctrines of error, and of those, who have intercourse with males (males with males) and of those stained and impious men and of atheists and murderers and adulterers and sorcerers. All such souls then, if while still in life they do not repent, but remain persistently in their sin, and ….. those, which have had the number of the circuits, which are appointed to them in the sphere, without having repented, well, at their last circuit will those souls, they and all the souls of which I have just told you, be led out of (into?) the jaws of the tail of the dragon into the dungeons of outer darkness. And, when those souls have been led into the outer darkness into the jaws of his tail, he turneth his tail into his own mouth and shutteth them in. (pp 267, 268) Note: In the above paragraph, and in the following paragraphs, I have written what is in parenthesis and have emboldened certain words for emphasis. By the completion of the circuits, our Saviour means completion of all appointed incarnations into the flesh.)

Our Saviour continues: Not only are they (the chastisements in Outer Darkness) more painful compared with all the chastisements of the judgments, but all the souls which are led into that region, will be frozen up in the violent cold and the hail and (punished in the) exceedingly violent fire which is in the region, but also at the dissolution of the world, that is at the ascension of the universe, those souls will perish through the violent cold and the exceedingly violent fire and be non-existent forever. (p268)

The fire in the Dragon of outer darkness and in all the chastisements in him is seventy times more violent than the fire in all the chastisements and in all the judgments of the rulers of the midst. (P269)

Yet, my Dear Ones, we will learn later on that the fires of the rulers of the Midst are so fiercely terrible that many souls are rendered as useless and must be made anew.


Who will go into Outer Darkness?

In summary, the following will be led into the jaws of the tail of the Dragon of Outer Darkness? Those, who leave the bodies and are full of any of these unrepentant sins: 1. the blasphemers; 2. those, who are in doctrines of error; 3. those, who have intercourse with males (males with males), those stained and impious men; 4. atheists; 5. murderers; 6. adulterers; 7. sorcerers and 8. those, who die in sin and have completed the number of their circuits. (the appointed number of their incarnations into this sphere.) TAKE NOTE OF THOSE, WHO GO INTO OUTER DARKNESS!


Outer Darkness and the Rulers of Outer Darkness!

Jesus words again: “The Outer Darkness is a great dragon, whose tail is in its mouth, outside the whole world and surrounding the whole world. And, there are many regions of chastisements within it. There are twelve mighty chastisement-dungeons and a ruler is in every dungeon and the face of the rulers is different one from another.” (p263)

Following, I list the names of these twelve rulers and their appearances.

Ruler of First Dungeon …his name is Enchthonin and his authentic face is a crocodile’s face.

Ruler of Second Dungeon … his name is Charachar and his authentic face is a cat’s face.

Ruler of Third Dungeon … his name is Archaroch and his authentic face is that of a dog’s face. Note that there is to be a long vowel mark over the o in Archaroch, and this o is pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of Fourth Dungeon … his name is Archrochar and his authentic face is that of a serpent’s face. Note again that there should be the mark of a long vowel sound over the “o” and this “o” should be pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of Fifth Dungeon … his name is Marchur and his authentic face is that of a black bull’s face. Note again that the “ur” should have a mark over it indicating a long vowel sound. This ur should be pronounced as the “ur” in sure.

Ruler of Sixth Dungeon … his name is Lamchamor and his authentic face is that of a wild boar’s face. Note again that the “o” is to be pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of the Seventh Dungeon … his name is Luchar and his authentic face is that of a bear’s face.

Ruler of the Eighth Dungeon … his name is Laraoch and his authentic face is that of a vulture’s face. Note again that the “o” is to be pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of the Ninth Dungeon … his name is Archeoch and his authentic face is that of a basilisk’s face.

Rulers of the Tenth Dungeon … Xarmaroch is the name of the one, who is over these rulers. For, for in the tenth dungeon is a multitude of rulers and on each authentic face is seven dragon’s heads. Again, the “o” is pronounced as in the word, old.

Rulers of the Eleventh Dungeon … Rochar is the great ruler over these rulers; for in this dungeon there is a multitude of rulers and every one of them has seven cat-faced heads as his authentic face. Again, the “o” in Rochar is pronounced as the “o” in old.

Rulers of the Twelfth Dungeon …Chremaor is the chief ruler in this dungeon, but in this dungeon there are a multitude of rulers and every one of them has seven dog-faced heads as his authentic face. The “e” in Chremaor is pronounced as the “e” in eve and the “o” is pronounced as the “o” in old.

“These rulers….. each and every one of them hath a name every hour and every one of them changeth his face every hour.” (p267) “ …but, the twelve (names) are one in the other, so that he who speaketh one name, speaketh all. (p274)


The Great Mercy and Grace of our Saviour
“How to get out of the Dungeons of the Dragon of Outer Darkness!”

And, all men, who shall find the mystery of one of the twelve names of that dragon of the outer darkness, and all men even if they are very great sinners, and they have first received the mysteries of the Light and have transgressed, or they have performed no mystery at all, then if they have completed their circuits in the changes, and if such men go forth out of the body without having repented anew, and if they are led into the chastisements which (are) in the midst of the dragon of the outer darkness, and remain in the circuits and remain in the chastisements in the midst of the dragon, these, if they know the mystery of one of the twelve names of the angels, while they are in life and are in the world, and IF THEY SPEAK ONE OF THEIR NAMES WHILE IN THE MIDST OF THE CHASTISEMENTS OF THE DRAGON, then, at the hour when they shall speak it, the whole dragon will be tossed about and most exceedingly convulsed, and the door of the dungeon in which the souls of those men are, openeth itself upward, and the ruler of the dungeon in which the souls of those men are, openeth itself upward, and the ruler of the dungeon in which those men are, casteth the souls of those men out of the midst of the dragon of the outer darkness, because they have found the mystery of the name of the dragon.”

HEAR WHAT OUR SAVIOUR IS TELLING! IF YOU SHOULD DIE AND YOUR SOUL SHOULD END UP IN THE DRAGON OF OUTER DARKNESS; AND IF YOU SHOULD SPEAK THE NAME OF ONE OF THESE RULERS, THE DRAGON OF OUTER DARKNESS MUST SET YOU FREE! PAY ATTENTION! STUDY THESE NAMES! MEMORIZE THEM, PER CHANCE YOU SHOULD END UP IN OUTER DARKNESS. THIS GIFT IS A VERY MERCIFUL GIFT FROM OUR SAVIOUR. TAKE HEED!


Other Fires!

Yet, my Dear Ones, there is mention of other fiery chastisements; and herein I shall write what our Saviour says of these other fires: (pp268 add 269)

1. Fires of Amente …nine times fiercer than the fire of mankind.

2. Fires of the chastisements in the Great Chaos …nine times more violent than the fires of Amente.

3. Fires of the Rulers, who are in the Midst …nine times more violent than the fires of the great chaos.

4. Fires of the Dragon of Outer Darkness …seventy times more violent than the fires in all of the chastisements of all the rulers.

5. Not included in this list are the fires of hell!

Indeed, it is very late. The dark clouds of the time of Jacob’s trouble are looming all over the world. A feeding frenzy of evil is roaring across the world and great evil is looking to devour you! Silly prophets and silly preachers of the word are lulling you to sleep with their witchcraft spells, many of their words compelling and highly believable; for they put on a good show and because of their good show, many are deluded. Many fall to their charming wiles; and they are shaping and forming by the day more souls, who are just like them. Indeed, they are forming their own hell-bound groups! Oh, so terrible is the destiny of so many in the churches and in the prophetic community! Have mercy, oh Blessed King! Have mercy!


The Five Great Rulers over the Fiery Chastisements of the Midst

Our Saviour continues: Yew came and took other three-hundred and sixty rulers… who had not faith in the mystery of the Light and bound them into these aerial regions... He established over them… these, who are on the way of the Midst.

My Dear Ones, following are the five great rulers, who are over the way of the Midst; and they are all evil. Herein, I write their names; for they are over terrible chastisements. You will also read of the kinds of sins, which they punish and how long a soul is in these chastisements. From all that I can discern from our Saviour’s teachings, many souls are burned up or in these terrible chastisements.

First Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Paraplex is the name. This ruler has a woman’s shape, whose hair reaches down to her feet. Twenty-five archdemons stand under her power and these archdemons rule over a multitude of other demons. “And, it is those demons which enter into men and seduce them, raging and cursing and slandering; and it is they which carry off hence and in ravishment the souls and dispatch them through their dark smoke and their evil chastisements.” “They dispatch them through the dark smoke and destroyeth them through her (Paraplex’s) evil fire, so that they begin to be undone and dissolved. One hundred and thirty-three years and nine months, do they spend in the chastisements of her regions while she torments them in the fire of her wickedness.” (excerpts from pp301-302)

Second Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Ariouth the AEthiopian, a female ruler is the name. She is entirely black. Fourteen archdemons, which rule over a multitude of other demons, stand under her. These demons, who stand under Ariouth “enter into strife seekers until they stir up wars and murders arise, and they harden their heart and seduce it to wrath in order that murders arise. And the souls, which this authority will carry off in ravishment, pass one hundred-and-thirteen years in her regions, while she tormenteth them through her dark smoke and her wicked fires, so that they come nigh unto destruction. “…And, all the souls which are in her chastisements are carried off and cast back into the sphere anew, because they are ruined through her dark smoke and her wicked fires.” (pp303,304)

Third Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Triple-faced Hekate is her name Under her authority are twenty-seven archdemons. “They enter into men and seduce them to perjuries and lies and to covet that which doth not belong to them.” The souls, who are carried into these fires “spend one-hundred-and-five years and six months… and they begin to be dissolved and destroyed.” “…and all the souls which are in her chastisements, are carried off and cast back anew, … because they are dissolved…”(pp 303,304)

Fourth Ruler on the Way of the Midst …Parhedron Typhon is the name. Thirty-two archdemons are under this ruler. “They … enter into men and seduce them to lusting, fornicating, adultery and to the continual practice of intercourse.” The souls then which this ruler will carry off into ravishment, pass one-hundred-and-twenty-and-eight years in his regions, while the demons torment them through his dark smoke and his wicked fire, so that they begin to be ruined and destroyed. “…All the souls…cast back anew …because they are reduced through his dark smoke and wicked fires.”

Fifth Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Yachthanabas is the name. This ruler is over a multitude of demons. “It is they which enter into men and bring it about that they have respect of persons, treating the just with injustice, and favour the cause of sinners, taking gifts for a just judgment and perverting it, forgetting the poor and needy,….. they (the demons) increasing the forgetfulness in their souls and the care for that which bringeth no benefit, in order that they may not think of their life, so that when they come out of the body, they are carried in ravishment.” These souls “pass one-hundred-and-fifty years and eight months” in these terrible fires…” “they are ruined in his chastisements.” (pp306, 307)


Specific Chastisements for the Unrepentant Sinner!
These are our Saviour’s teachings!
The Fiery punishments of The Persistent Slanderer!

Jesus tells of the man, who “persistently slandereth:” (p316) “… Abiout and Charmon, the receivers of Ariel come, lead this soul out of the body and spend three days going round and instructing it concerning the creatures of the world. Thereafter they lead it into Amente, before Ariel, and he chastiseth it in his chastisements eleven months-and-twenty-one days.” Thereafter, they lead it into the chaos before Yaldabaoth and … his demons fall on it another eleven months and twenty-and-one days, scourging it with fiery whips. Thereafter they lead it into fire rivers and boiling fire-seas, to take vengeance on it therein for another eleven months and twenty-and-one days. Thereafter, they carry it on the way of the midst and every one of the rulers on the way of the midst chastizeth it in his chastisements another eleven months and twenty-and-one-days.”

And, thereafter, my Dear Ones, it will be purified greatly in “seething fires” until it is totally purified. This soul is then given a “cup of forgetfulness” and this soul will be cast back into a body, where it will “spend its time being afflicted.” (p316, 317) For your understanding I will further entail what our Saviour teaches regarding other specific chastisements for certain sins!

Chastisements for one, who has committed only one sin, murdering, and who also dies in this sin:
Our Saviour’s words: “Yaldabaoth come and lead his soul out of the body and bind it by its feet to a great demon with a horse’s face, and he spendeth three days circling round with it in the world. Thereafter they lead it to the regions of the cold and snow and they take vengeance on it there three years and six months.” Thereafter, they lead this soul into the chaos, where it is punished for three years and six months. Thereafter, into the midst, where the wicked rulers take vengeance on it for three years and six months. Thereafter, this soul is cast into outer darkness….where, eventually it will be destroyed! THIS IS THE FATE OF THE ONE, WHO HAS COMMITTED ONLY ONE SIN, MURDER! (p317, 318)

Peter said, “My Lord, a robber and a thief, whose sin is this persistently…?” And, our Saviour describes: (If this one dies and does not repent,) “Adonis will come after him and lead his soul out of the body, and they spend three days circling round with it and instructing it concerning the creatures of the world. Thereafter, they lead it down into the Amente before Ariel, and he taketh vengeance on it … three months, eight days and two hours.” Thereafter, into the Chaos, where the demons take vengeance on it for three months, eight days and two hours. Thereafter, into the way of the Midst, where the wicked demons take vengeance on it for another three months, eight days and two hours. Thereafter, this soul is purified with seething fire, given a cup of forgetfulness and is cast into a “lame, halt and blind body. This is the chastisement of the thief.” (p318)

“Andrew …said, an arrogant, overweening man, when he cometh out of the body, what will happen to him?” (p319)

Our Saviour replies to Andrew’s question: “If the time of such a one is completed through the sphere, the receivers of Ariel come after him and lead out his soul and spend three days traveling round in the world with it and instructing it concerning the creatures of the world.” Thereafter, … this soul is taken into the chastisements of Amente, where he chastises it for twenty months. Thereafter, into the chaos, where it is chastised another twenty months. Thereafter, on the way of the midst where every one of the rulers takes vengeance on it another twenty months. Thereafter, this soul is purified exceedingly in a seething fire, is given a cup of forgetfulness and is then so cast “into a lame and deformed body, that all despise it persistently.” (p319,320)

“Thomas said, ‘A persistent blasphemer, what is his chastisement?” (p320, 321) And, our Saviour responded: “If the time of such an one is completed through the sphere, the receivers of Yaldabaoth come after him and bind him by his tongue to a great demon with a horse’s face; they spend three days traveling round with him in the world and take vengeance on him. Thereafter, they lead him into the region of the cold and snow, and take vengeance on him there eleven years.” Thereafter, into the chaos, “where the demons taketh vengeance on him another eleven years.” Thereafter … into outer darkness… And that soul becometh frozen up and destroyed and dissolved. This is the judgment of the blasphemer.

“Help us now, Lord, and have mercy upon us, in order that we may be preserved from these wicked chastisements which are prepared for the sinners. Woe unto them, woe unto the children of men! For they grope as the blind in the darkness and see not. Have mercy upon us, O Lord, in this great blindness in which we are. And have mercy upon the whole race of men; for they have lain in wait for their souls, as lions for their prey, making it (sc the prey) ready as food for their (sc the rulers) chastisements because of the forgetfulness and unknowing which is in them. Have mercy upon us, our Lord, our Saviour, have mercy upon us and save us in this great stupefaction.” (p307) THESE WORDS, MY DEAR ONES, ARE THE PLEAS OF THE APOSTLES AS THEY “FELL DOWN AND ADORED” OUR SAVIOUR!
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Also see [link to prophecies.org] for more great teachings from Jesus about Revelation 12
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Hi Mark,

Do you mind providing a basic summary info about this document's, Pista Sophia, origin and message?


I do not know much about Sophia, but from one account it seemed to have something to do with Venus, the templars, and a code that turns Sophia into Baphomet, and weird things like that.

Thank you
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Hi Mark,

Do you mind providing a basic summary info about this document's, Pista Sophia, origin and message?


I do not know much about Sophia, but from one account it seemed to have something to do with Venus, the templars, and a code that turns Sophia into Baphomet, and weird things like that.

Thank you
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That account is entirely wrong, there is nothing about Venus, templars, or Baphomet in there at all. Pista Sophia is a very important work, it is transcripts of Jesus discoursing with His disciples after the crucifixion.

Read it here [link to www.sacred-texts.com]

Having read the book more than once, I think the following introduction is very misleading and does not in any way describe the transcripts in a true light.

This is G.R.S. Mead's translation of the Pistis Sophia, the most extensive Gnostic scripture available until the discovery of Nag Hammadi texts in 1945.

The Pistis Sopha is a startling blend of primitive Christianity and Hellenic Paganism, with other elements such as reincarnation, Astrology, Mystery religion and Hermetic magic. The Goddess makes an appearance in the guise of Sophia, a fallen angel.

The text is notable because the female disciples of Jesus are treated as active participants in the discourse, in a way that would be unimaginable in later Christianity. Tensions between the men and women disciples are not glossed over. On p. 47, Peter complains that Mary and the other women disciples are monopolizing the discussion with Jesus: "My Lord, we will not endure this woman, for she taketh the opportunity from us and hath let none of us speak, but she discourseth many times." Later, Mary (p. 135) expresses her misgivings about Peter: "I am afraid of Peter, because he threatened me and hateth our sex."
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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Hi Mark,

Do you mind providing a basic summary info about this document's, Pista Sophia, origin and message?


I do not know much about Sophia, but from one account it seemed to have something to do with Venus, the templars, and a code that turns Sophia into Baphomet, and weird things like that.

Thank you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


That account is entirely wrong, there is nothing about Venus, templars, or Baphomet in there at all. Pista Sophia is a very important work, it is transcripts of Jesus discoursing with His disciples after the crucifixion.

Read it here [link to www.sacred-texts.com]

This is G.R.S. Mead's translation of the Pistis Sophia, the most extensive Gnostic scripture available until the discovery of Nag Hammadi texts in 1945.

The Pistis Sopha is a startling blend of primitive Christianity and Hellenic Paganism, with other elements such as reincarnation, Astrology, Mystery religion and Hermetic magic. The Goddess makes an appearance in the guise of Sophia, a fallen angel.

The text is notable because the female disciples of Jesus are treated as active participants in the discourse, in a way that would be unimaginable in later Christianity. Tensions between the men and women disciples are not glossed over. On p. 47, Peter complains that Mary and the other women disciples are monopolizing the discussion with Jesus: "My Lord, we will not endure this woman, for she taketh the opportunity from us and hath let none of us speak, but she discourseth many times." Later, Mary (p. 135) expresses her misgivings about Peter: "I am afraid of Peter, because he threatened me and hateth our sex."
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Hello Mark,

Thank you for that information.

The Sophia aspect I was talking about ties specifically with what you said above that I bolded.

I just do not fully understand the whole aspect of Sophia, fallen angel (fallen divine), Hellenism (like lady Columbia, etc, etc.), and mystery/hermetic/schools/secrety society kinds of stuff that seems to be associated with this name.

Can you help clarify some of these things?
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
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Your post speaks volumes about where you are coming from, and it is not Christianty. Those who use profane and vulgar language do not believe in Jesus, they are the servants of Satan.

If you believe in Jesus you do not behave in such ways.

Get thee hence Satan!
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
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Hello,

You seem to be familiar with this writing and brings out some strong feelings it seems. May I ask what about that writing, or it's ideas, that brings this out of you?
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Hey Mark,

The whole lady Columbia/Liberty beautified images of a 'goddess' seems to have many meanings, even a side to it that all of us regular schmoes are not privy to even (like a mythology/history for schmoes and another for the 'privy'). Why is this the case?


Also from such beautiful sculptured idealized imagery of so much of her statues, monuments, and idols, it does seem to indicate that even the US is like a 'territory' of this goddess... from all the monuments everywhere here, that regular people don't seem to know about especially.

Also that alot of gangster stuff happened in her name, or spread, like the native americans and other indigenous cultures it seems.

What is up with that?
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I guess the question is, why is she so hidden in plain sight?

Among other things.
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The following is excerpted from Pista Sophia, which are lost teachings of Jesus to His Disciples about the Chastisements of Hell and Outer Darkness. (free download on the web)

“OUTER DARKNESS!”
“The Dragon of Outer Darkness!”

Jesus reveals: “The Outer Darkness is a great dragon, whose tail is in its mouth, outside the whole world and surrounding the whole world. And, there are many regions of chastisements within it. There are twelve mighty chastisement-dungeons and a ruler is in every dungeon and the face of the rulers is different one from another.” (p263)


Those Souls, who go into Outer Darkness!

Jesus continues: “No soul will be led into the Dragon (of Outer Darkness) through these doors, but the souls of the blasphemers and of those who are in the doctrines of error, and of those, who have intercourse with males (males with males) and of those stained and impious men and of atheists and murderers and adulterers and sorcerers. All such souls then, if while still in life they do not repent, but remain persistently in their sin, and ….. those, which have had the number of the circuits, which are appointed to them in the sphere, without having repented, well, at their last circuit will those souls, they and all the souls of which I have just told you, be led out of (into?) the jaws of the tail of the dragon into the dungeons of outer darkness. And, when those souls have been led into the outer darkness into the jaws of his tail, he turneth his tail into his own mouth and shutteth them in. (pp 267, 268) Note: In the above paragraph, and in the following paragraphs, I have written what is in parenthesis and have emboldened certain words for emphasis. By the completion of the circuits, our Saviour means completion of all appointed incarnations into the flesh.)

Our Saviour continues: Not only are they (the chastisements in Outer Darkness) more painful compared with all the chastisements of the judgments, but all the souls which are led into that region, will be frozen up in the violent cold and the hail and (punished in the) exceedingly violent fire which is in the region, but also at the dissolution of the world, that is at the ascension of the universe, those souls will perish through the violent cold and the exceedingly violent fire and be non-existent forever. (p268)

The fire in the Dragon of outer darkness and in all the chastisements in him is seventy times more violent than the fire in all the chastisements and in all the judgments of the rulers of the midst. (P269)

Yet, my Dear Ones, we will learn later on that the fires of the rulers of the Midst are so fiercely terrible that many souls are rendered as useless and must be made anew.


Who will go into Outer Darkness?

In summary, the following will be led into the jaws of the tail of the Dragon of Outer Darkness? Those, who leave the bodies and are full of any of these unrepentant sins: 1. the blasphemers; 2. those, who are in doctrines of error; 3. those, who have intercourse with males (males with males), those stained and impious men; 4. atheists; 5. murderers; 6. adulterers; 7. sorcerers and 8. those, who die in sin and have completed the number of their circuits. (the appointed number of their incarnations into this sphere.) TAKE NOTE OF THOSE, WHO GO INTO OUTER DARKNESS!


Outer Darkness and the Rulers of Outer Darkness!

Jesus words again: “The Outer Darkness is a great dragon, whose tail is in its mouth, outside the whole world and surrounding the whole world. And, there are many regions of chastisements within it. There are twelve mighty chastisement-dungeons and a ruler is in every dungeon and the face of the rulers is different one from another.” (p263)

Following, I list the names of these twelve rulers and their appearances.

Ruler of First Dungeon …his name is Enchthonin and his authentic face is a crocodile’s face.

Ruler of Second Dungeon … his name is Charachar and his authentic face is a cat’s face.

Ruler of Third Dungeon … his name is Archaroch and his authentic face is that of a dog’s face. Note that there is to be a long vowel mark over the o in Archaroch, and this o is pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of Fourth Dungeon … his name is Archrochar and his authentic face is that of a serpent’s face. Note again that there should be the mark of a long vowel sound over the “o” and this “o” should be pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of Fifth Dungeon … his name is Marchur and his authentic face is that of a black bull’s face. Note again that the “ur” should have a mark over it indicating a long vowel sound. This ur should be pronounced as the “ur” in sure.

Ruler of Sixth Dungeon … his name is Lamchamor and his authentic face is that of a wild boar’s face. Note again that the “o” is to be pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of the Seventh Dungeon … his name is Luchar and his authentic face is that of a bear’s face.

Ruler of the Eighth Dungeon … his name is Laraoch and his authentic face is that of a vulture’s face. Note again that the “o” is to be pronounced as the “o” in old.

Ruler of the Ninth Dungeon … his name is Archeoch and his authentic face is that of a basilisk’s face.

Rulers of the Tenth Dungeon … Xarmaroch is the name of the one, who is over these rulers. For, for in the tenth dungeon is a multitude of rulers and on each authentic face is seven dragon’s heads. Again, the “o” is pronounced as in the word, old.

Rulers of the Eleventh Dungeon … Rochar is the great ruler over these rulers; for in this dungeon there is a multitude of rulers and every one of them has seven cat-faced heads as his authentic face. Again, the “o” in Rochar is pronounced as the “o” in old.

Rulers of the Twelfth Dungeon …Chremaor is the chief ruler in this dungeon, but in this dungeon there are a multitude of rulers and every one of them has seven dog-faced heads as his authentic face. The “e” in Chremaor is pronounced as the “e” in eve and the “o” is pronounced as the “o” in old.

“These rulers….. each and every one of them hath a name every hour and every one of them changeth his face every hour.” (p267) “ …but, the twelve (names) are one in the other, so that he who speaketh one name, speaketh all. (p274)


The Great Mercy and Grace of our Saviour
“How to get out of the Dungeons of the Dragon of Outer Darkness!”

And, all men, who shall find the mystery of one of the twelve names of that dragon of the outer darkness, and all men even if they are very great sinners, and they have first received the mysteries of the Light and have transgressed, or they have performed no mystery at all, then if they have completed their circuits in the changes, and if such men go forth out of the body without having repented anew, and if they are led into the chastisements which (are) in the midst of the dragon of the outer darkness, and remain in the circuits and remain in the chastisements in the midst of the dragon, these, if they know the mystery of one of the twelve names of the angels, while they are in life and are in the world, and IF THEY SPEAK ONE OF THEIR NAMES WHILE IN THE MIDST OF THE CHASTISEMENTS OF THE DRAGON, then, at the hour when they shall speak it, the whole dragon will be tossed about and most exceedingly convulsed, and the door of the dungeon in which the souls of those men are, openeth itself upward, and the ruler of the dungeon in which the souls of those men are, openeth itself upward, and the ruler of the dungeon in which those men are, casteth the souls of those men out of the midst of the dragon of the outer darkness, because they have found the mystery of the name of the dragon.”

HEAR WHAT OUR SAVIOUR IS TELLING! IF YOU SHOULD DIE AND YOUR SOUL SHOULD END UP IN THE DRAGON OF OUTER DARKNESS; AND IF YOU SHOULD SPEAK THE NAME OF ONE OF THESE RULERS, THE DRAGON OF OUTER DARKNESS MUST SET YOU FREE! PAY ATTENTION! STUDY THESE NAMES! MEMORIZE THEM, PER CHANCE YOU SHOULD END UP IN OUTER DARKNESS. THIS GIFT IS A VERY MERCIFUL GIFT FROM OUR SAVIOUR. TAKE HEED!


Other Fires!

Yet, my Dear Ones, there is mention of other fiery chastisements; and herein I shall write what our Saviour says of these other fires: (pp268 add 269)

1. Fires of Amente …nine times fiercer than the fire of mankind.

2. Fires of the chastisements in the Great Chaos …nine times more violent than the fires of Amente.

3. Fires of the Rulers, who are in the Midst …nine times more violent than the fires of the great chaos.

4. Fires of the Dragon of Outer Darkness …seventy times more violent than the fires in all of the chastisements of all the rulers.

5. Not included in this list are the fires of hell!

Indeed, it is very late. The dark clouds of the time of Jacob’s trouble are looming all over the world. A feeding frenzy of evil is roaring across the world and great evil is looking to devour you! Silly prophets and silly preachers of the word are lulling you to sleep with their witchcraft spells, many of their words compelling and highly believable; for they put on a good show and because of their good show, many are deluded. Many fall to their charming wiles; and they are shaping and forming by the day more souls, who are just like them. Indeed, they are forming their own hell-bound groups! Oh, so terrible is the destiny of so many in the churches and in the prophetic community! Have mercy, oh Blessed King! Have mercy!


The Five Great Rulers over the Fiery Chastisements of the Midst

Our Saviour continues: Yew came and took other three-hundred and sixty rulers… who had not faith in the mystery of the Light and bound them into these aerial regions... He established over them… these, who are on the way of the Midst.

My Dear Ones, following are the five great rulers, who are over the way of the Midst; and they are all evil. Herein, I write their names; for they are over terrible chastisements. You will also read of the kinds of sins, which they punish and how long a soul is in these chastisements. From all that I can discern from our Saviour’s teachings, many souls are burned up or in these terrible chastisements.

First Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Paraplex is the name. This ruler has a woman’s shape, whose hair reaches down to her feet. Twenty-five archdemons stand under her power and these archdemons rule over a multitude of other demons. “And, it is those demons which enter into men and seduce them, raging and cursing and slandering; and it is they which carry off hence and in ravishment the souls and dispatch them through their dark smoke and their evil chastisements.” “They dispatch them through the dark smoke and destroyeth them through her (Paraplex’s) evil fire, so that they begin to be undone and dissolved. One hundred and thirty-three years and nine months, do they spend in the chastisements of her regions while she torments them in the fire of her wickedness.” (excerpts from pp301-302)

Second Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Ariouth the AEthiopian, a female ruler is the name. She is entirely black. Fourteen archdemons, which rule over a multitude of other demons, stand under her. These demons, who stand under Ariouth “enter into strife seekers until they stir up wars and murders arise, and they harden their heart and seduce it to wrath in order that murders arise. And the souls, which this authority will carry off in ravishment, pass one hundred-and-thirteen years in her regions, while she tormenteth them through her dark smoke and her wicked fires, so that they come nigh unto destruction. “…And, all the souls which are in her chastisements are carried off and cast back into the sphere anew, because they are ruined through her dark smoke and her wicked fires.” (pp303,304)

Third Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Triple-faced Hekate is her name Under her authority are twenty-seven archdemons. “They enter into men and seduce them to perjuries and lies and to covet that which doth not belong to them.” The souls, who are carried into these fires “spend one-hundred-and-five years and six months… and they begin to be dissolved and destroyed.” “…and all the souls which are in her chastisements, are carried off and cast back anew, … because they are dissolved…”(pp 303,304)

Fourth Ruler on the Way of the Midst …Parhedron Typhon is the name. Thirty-two archdemons are under this ruler. “They … enter into men and seduce them to lusting, fornicating, adultery and to the continual practice of intercourse.” The souls then which this ruler will carry off into ravishment, pass one-hundred-and-twenty-and-eight years in his regions, while the demons torment them through his dark smoke and his wicked fire, so that they begin to be ruined and destroyed. “…All the souls…cast back anew …because they are reduced through his dark smoke and wicked fires.”

Fifth Ruler on the Way of the Midst … Yachthanabas is the name. This ruler is over a multitude of demons. “It is they which enter into men and bring it about that they have respect of persons, treating the just with injustice, and favour the cause of sinners, taking gifts for a just judgment and perverting it, forgetting the poor and needy,….. they (the demons) increasing the forgetfulness in their souls and the care for that which bringeth no benefit, in order that they may not think of their life, so that when they come out of the body, they are carried in ravishment.” These souls “pass one-hundred-and-fifty years and eight months” in these terrible fires…” “they are ruined in his chastisements.” (pp306, 307)


Specific Chastisements for the Unrepentant Sinner!
These are our Saviour’s teachings!
The Fiery punishments of The Persistent Slanderer!

Jesus tells of the man, who “persistently slandereth:” (p316) “… Abiout and Charmon, the receivers of Ariel come, lead this soul out of the body and spend three days going round and instructing it concerning the creatures of the world. Thereafter they lead it into Amente, before Ariel, and he chastiseth it in his chastisements eleven months-and-twenty-one days.” Thereafter, they lead it into the chaos before Yaldabaoth and … his demons fall on it another eleven months and twenty-and-one days, scourging it with fiery whips. Thereafter they lead it into fire rivers and boiling fire-seas, to take vengeance on it therein for another eleven months and twenty-and-one days. Thereafter, they carry it on the way of the midst and every one of the rulers on the way of the midst chastizeth it in his chastisements another eleven months and twenty-and-one-days.”

And, thereafter, my Dear Ones, it will be purified greatly in “seething fires” until it is totally purified. This soul is then given a “cup of forgetfulness” and this soul will be cast back into a body, where it will “spend its time being afflicted.” (p316, 317) For your understanding I will further entail what our Saviour teaches regarding other specific chastisements for certain sins!

Chastisements for one, who has committed only one sin, murdering, and who also dies in this sin:
Our Saviour’s words: “Yaldabaoth come and lead his soul out of the body and bind it by its feet to a great demon with a horse’s face, and he spendeth three days circling round with it in the world. Thereafter they lead it to the regions of the cold and snow and they take vengeance on it there three years and six months.” Thereafter, they lead this soul into the chaos, where it is punished for three years and six months. Thereafter, into the midst, where the wicked rulers take vengeance on it for three years and six months. Thereafter, this soul is cast into outer darkness….where, eventually it will be destroyed! THIS IS THE FATE OF THE ONE, WHO HAS COMMITTED ONLY ONE SIN, MURDER! (p317, 318)

Peter said, “My Lord, a robber and a thief, whose sin is this persistently…?” And, our Saviour describes: (If this one dies and does not repent,) “Adonis will come after him and lead his soul out of the body, and they spend three days circling round with it and instructing it concerning the creatures of the world. Thereafter, they lead it down into the Amente before Ariel, and he taketh vengeance on it … three months, eight days and two hours.” Thereafter, into the Chaos, where the demons take vengeance on it for three months, eight days and two hours. Thereafter, into the way of the Midst, where the wicked demons take vengeance on it for another three months, eight days and two hours. Thereafter, this soul is purified with seething fire, given a cup of forgetfulness and is cast into a “lame, halt and blind body. This is the chastisement of the thief.” (p318)

“Andrew …said, an arrogant, overweening man, when he cometh out of the body, what will happen to him?” (p319)

Our Saviour replies to Andrew’s question: “If the time of such a one is completed through the sphere, the receivers of Ariel come after him and lead out his soul and spend three days traveling round in the world with it and instructing it concerning the creatures of the world.” Thereafter, … this soul is taken into the chastisements of Amente, where he chastises it for twenty months. Thereafter, into the chaos, where it is chastised another twenty months. Thereafter, on the way of the midst where every one of the rulers takes vengeance on it another twenty months. Thereafter, this soul is purified exceedingly in a seething fire, is given a cup of forgetfulness and is then so cast “into a lame and deformed body, that all despise it persistently.” (p319,320)

“Thomas said, ‘A persistent blasphemer, what is his chastisement?” (p320, 321) And, our Saviour responded: “If the time of such an one is completed through the sphere, the receivers of Yaldabaoth come after him and bind him by his tongue to a great demon with a horse’s face; they spend three days traveling round with him in the world and take vengeance on him. Thereafter, they lead him into the region of the cold and snow, and take vengeance on him there eleven years.” Thereafter, into the chaos, “where the demons taketh vengeance on him another eleven years.” Thereafter … into outer darkness… And that soul becometh frozen up and destroyed and dissolved. This is the judgment of the blasphemer.

“Help us now, Lord, and have mercy upon us, in order that we may be preserved from these wicked chastisements which are prepared for the sinners. Woe unto them, woe unto the children of men! For they grope as the blind in the darkness and see not. Have mercy upon us, O Lord, in this great blindness in which we are. And have mercy upon the whole race of men; for they have lain in wait for their souls, as lions for their prey, making it (sc the prey) ready as food for their (sc the rulers) chastisements because of the forgetfulness and unknowing which is in them. Have mercy upon us, our Lord, our Saviour, have mercy upon us and save us in this great stupefaction.” (p307) THESE WORDS, MY DEAR ONES, ARE THE PLEAS OF THE APOSTLES AS THEY “FELL DOWN AND ADORED” OUR SAVIOUR!
 Quoting: Mark Brander


MARK this is again pure bull. The darkness is in the lower astral realms, and also people who are not ready are removed to lesser planets. This shit above has all be re written by MAN, including so much released from dug up and discovers records in the past years of the 1900's. There is NO hellfire. get over it. The translations STINK and are manipulated to keep folks like you addicted to crap and riding your high horses of ego.
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
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Hello,

You seem to be familiar with this writing and brings out some strong feelings it seems. May I ask what about that writing, or it's ideas, that brings this out of you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
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The Pistis Sopha is a startling blend of primitive Christianity and Hellenic Paganism, with other elements such as reincarnation, Astrology, Mystery religion and Hermetic magic. The Goddess makes an appearance in the guise of Sophia, a fallen angel.

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The above does not in anyway describe the contents of the book, the person who wrote that did not spend much time with the book. The book details a lot of information about how the spiritual realms and the many different rulers and beings who abide within those realms function. Many of them are in rebellion much as the fallen angels who were kicked out of heaven were. Pista Sophia is a very deep work. It is Jesus speaking to His disciples (who were filled with the holy spirit and able to comprehend complex subjects) about dimensions and and light beings that are hard for the average person to grasp. You have to read the book yourself and be prepared to struggle with the concepts.
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"MARK this is again pure bull. The darkness is in the lower astral realms, and also people who are not ready are removed to lesser planets. This shit above has all be re written by MAN, including so much released from dug up and discovers records in the past years of the 1900's. There is NO hellfire. get over it. The translations STINK and are manipulated to keep folks like you addicted to crap and riding your high horses of ego."

And that is exactly what the text says. Jesus went to the lower realms to find her. Along with finding her being raped to "keep her from ascending to her light", he also found, her praising the light she never wavered faith in. Now tell me who was not living in fear? Pistis Sophia. One cannot be living in fear and be able to praise at the same time.
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
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Hello,

You seem to be familiar with this writing and brings out some strong feelings it seems. May I ask what about that writing, or it's ideas, that brings this out of you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
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Just a guess alright, this thread is over your head.
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
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Hello,

You seem to be familiar with this writing and brings out some strong feelings it seems. May I ask what about that writing, or it's ideas, that brings this out of you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
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Just a guess alright, this thread is over your head.
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Hijack your own threads much. Don't invite people to come in and discuss a topic and piss on them. That, my friendly id-tard, is not wisdom.
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Hello,

You seem to be familiar with this writing and brings out some strong feelings it seems. May I ask what about that writing, or it's ideas, that brings this out of you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
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Hello,

Thank you for that. That is one thing I noticed from etymology regarding the meaning of that name. for example:

"
Sophia

fem. proper name, from Gk. sophia "wisdom," from sophos "wise."


---

philosophy

from L. philosophia, from Gk. philosophia "love of knowledge, wisdom," from philo- "loving" + sophia "knowledge, wisdom," from sophis "wise, learned;" of unknown origin...

...[Philosophical problems] are, of course, not empirical problems; but they are solved through an insight into the workings of our language, and that in such a way that these workings are recognized -- despite an urge to misunderstand them. The problems are solved, not through the contribution of new knowledge, rather through the arrangement of things long familiar. Philosophy is a struggle against the bewitchment .. of our understanding by the resources of our language. ...

Meaning "system a person forms for conduct of life" is attested from 1771..."


What I don't understand is philosophy and some of it's ideals does seem beautiful and such... but do not understand why it's so secret, and why that the people that really seems to know anything about her (especially on an organizational sense) tends to be those 'secrety-society types', which seems to include 'elitey people' to the people that get recruited under that name, such as templars, to any organization that seems to have a basis for hellenism stuff, like those college sororities for example which all show some strong 'pan-hellenistic' roots.

Have you ever wondered what this is all about?
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Hello,

You seem to be familiar with this writing and brings out some strong feelings it seems. May I ask what about that writing, or it's ideas, that brings this out of you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1303411


Just a guess alright, this thread is over your head.
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Hijack your own threads much. Don't invite people to come in and discuss a topic and piss on them. That, my friendly id-tard, is not wisdom.
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I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol

You are not discussing anything, you are speaking nonsense and just out to have a laugh, how else is anyone to take your vulgar comment, this is a thread about Jesus Christ, He is Holy and righteous, this not a thread discussing pornography!
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Hello,

You seem to be familiar with this writing and brings out some strong feelings it seems. May I ask what about that writing, or it's ideas, that brings this out of you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 702997


Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1303411


Hello,

Thank you for that. That is one thing I noticed from etymology regarding the meaning of that name. for example:

"
Sophia

fem. proper name, from Gk. sophia "wisdom," from sophos "wise."


---

philosophy

from L. philosophia, from Gk. philosophia "love of knowledge, wisdom," from philo- "loving" + sophia "knowledge, wisdom," from sophis "wise, learned;" of unknown origin...

...[Philosophical problems] are, of course, not empirical problems; but they are solved through an insight into the workings of our language, and that in such a way that these workings are recognized -- despite an urge to misunderstand them. The problems are solved, not through the contribution of new knowledge, rather through the arrangement of things long familiar. Philosophy is a struggle against the bewitchment .. of our understanding by the resources of our language. ...

Meaning "system a person forms for conduct of life" is attested from 1771..."


What I don't understand is philosophy and some of it's ideals does seem beautiful and such... but do not understand why it's so secret, and why that the people that really seems to know anything about her (especially on an organizational sense) tends to be those 'secrety-society types', which seems to include 'elitey people' to the people that get recruited under that name, such as templars, to any organization that seems to have a basis for hellenism stuff, like those college sororities for example which all show some strong 'pan-hellenistic' roots.

Have you ever wondered what this is all about?
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In short, the Gnostics would want people to read the original text, not interpretations of the text. And one would have to employ innate wisdom in doing so. Noting secret about them. The secret would be as to why the Catholic Church left their philosophy out of the Bible. Translations into the english language, of the bulk of the text, not "interpretations", can be found at the Nag Hammadi Library on line. Not gonna give this guy another bump after this post. lol
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"MARK this is again pure bull. The darkness is in the lower astral realms, and also people who are not ready are removed to lesser planets. This shit above has all be re written by MAN, including so much released from dug up and discovers records in the past years of the 1900's. There is NO hellfire. get over it. The translations STINK and are manipulated to keep folks like you addicted to crap and riding your high horses of ego."

And that is exactly what the text says. Jesus went to the lower realms to find her. Along with finding her being raped to "keep her from ascending to her light", he also found, her praising the light she never wavered faith in. Now tell me who was not living in fear? Pistis Sophia. One cannot be living in fear and be able to praise at the same time.
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Hey you.

Thank you for that...

That is an interesting idea, and does remind me of a story regarding a fallen goddess, but one whose turn around back to the light was supposed to set off a wave of redemption/correction kind of ideas. Based on forgiveness and other matters too.

I do wonder if she represented a 'crazy wicked witch of the east/west' at some point, and to ancient times of an open female deity, matriarchal, sort of existence, which still seemed crazy and unbalanced though, because of the sacrificing nature of some religions.
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Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
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Just a guess alright, this thread is over your head.
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Hijack your own threads much. Don't invite people to come in and discuss a topic and piss on them. That, my friendly id-tard, is not wisdom.
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I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol

You are not discussing anything, you are speaking nonsense and just out to have a laugh, how else is anyone to take your vulgar comment, this is a thread about Jesus Christ, He is Holy and righteous, this not a thread discussing pornography!
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Mark, in this specific case, i don't think you are reading things clearly, or may have lumped people together and such...
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Just a guess, but lack of "wisdom", as that is what the Gnostics know her as. If he had any wisdom I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1303411


Just a guess alright, this thread is over your head.
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Hijack your own threads much. Don't invite people to come in and discuss a topic and piss on them. That, my friendly id-tard, is not wisdom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1303411


I'm sure he would cry in desperation for someone to piss on him if he were on fire. lol

You are not discussing anything, you are speaking nonsense and just out to have a laugh, how else is anyone to take your vulgar comment, this is a thread about Jesus Christ, He is Holy and righteous, this not a thread discussing pornography!
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You left out the original hateful comment I was responding too, mark:

"This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE. Quoting: Godsontoo"

Manipulate much, mark? Now my better wisdom tells me...you...have no clue what you are talking about. No more bumps for you.
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You're gonna cause old-timey bible folks quite a predicament, OP - they love their Hellfire, but they despise extra-biblical texts. Which one do they side with?

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Re: Jesus teaches His Apostles about Hell and The Chastisements of Outer Darkness, Excerpts from Pista Sophia
This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Your post speaks volumes about where you are coming from, and it is not Christianty. Those who use profane and vulgar language do not believe in Jesus, they are the servants of Satan.

If you believe in Jesus you do not behave in such ways.

Get thee hence Satan!
 Quoting: Mark Brander


I may have done a little play on words my friend but believe this when I tell you , you have the mark of the beast IN YOUR RIGHT HAND by placing these false teachings for all to read, they are by no means biblical and go totally against the teachings of the bible .

Take the stick out of your eye before you take the speck out of mine , and one last word of advice get yourself a strongs concordance and a kjv bible and see how hell has been translated wrong so very many translations throughout the bible. If you think God would leave one of his children to suffer an eternity of burning in hell you do not understand our Father or his teachings

Peace be with you and stop reading garbage so called scripture.
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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Re: Jesus teaches His Apostles about Hell and The Chastisements of Outer Darkness, Excerpts from Pista Sophia
And that is exactly what the text says. Jesus went to the lower realms to find her. Along with finding her being raped to "keep her from ascending to her light", he also found, her praising the light she never wavered faith in. Now tell me who was not living in fear? Pistis Sophia. One cannot be living in fear and be able to praise at the same time.
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Hey can i get more '411' regarding the story here?

One question I had about life was the long history of how women were so dominated, which at first I felt was from a long precedent of a dysfunctional patriarchal legacy, like the 'Pharisees' for example.

The idea of a fallen divine feminine aspect, along with Sophia, that has been dragged through the mud for some time were some of ideas that may have tied into this condition we live in.
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I may have done a little play on words my friend but believe this when I tell you , you have the mark of the beast IN YOUR RIGHT HAND by placing these false teachings for all to read, they are by no means biblical and go totally against the teachings of the bible .

Take the stick out of your eye before you take the speck out of mine , and one last word of advice get yourself a strongs concordance and a kjv bible and see how hell has been translated wrong so very many translations throughout the bible. If you think God would leave one of his children to suffer an eternity of burning in hell you do not understand our Father or his teachings

Peace be with you and stop reading garbage so called scripture.
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Hey,

You got me at the "Father".
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Your post speaks volumes about where you are coming from, and it is not Christianty. Those who use profane and vulgar language do not believe in Jesus, they are the servants of Satan.

If you believe in Jesus you do not behave in such ways.

Get thee hence Satan!
 Quoting: Mark Brander


I may have done a little play on words my friend but believe this when I tell you , you have the mark of the beast IN YOUR RIGHT HAND by placing these false teachings for all to read, they are by no means biblical and go totally against the teachings of the bible .

Take the stick out of your eye before you take the speck out of mine , and one last word of advice get yourself a strongs concordance and a kjv bible and see how hell has been translated wrong so very many translations throughout the bible. If you think God would leave one of his children to suffer an eternity of burning in hell you do not understand our Father or his teachings

Peace be with you and stop reading garbage so called scripture.
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I just had to stop by and say hello to you!

Little star
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06/15/2011 01:13 PM
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Your post speaks volumes about where you are coming from, and it is not Christianty. Those who use profane and vulgar language do not believe in Jesus, they are the servants of Satan.

If you believe in Jesus you do not behave in such ways.

Get thee hence Satan!
 Quoting: Mark Brander


I may have done a little play on words my friend but believe this when I tell you , you have the mark of the beast IN YOUR RIGHT HAND by placing these false teachings for all to read, they are by no means biblical and go totally against the teachings of the bible .

Take the stick out of your eye before you take the speck out of mine , and one last word of advice get yourself a strongs concordance and a kjv bible and see how hell has been translated wrong so very many translations throughout the bible. If you think God would leave one of his children to suffer an eternity of burning in hell you do not understand our Father or his teachings

Peace be with you and stop reading garbage so called scripture.
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How are you little star , it saddens me to see these so called christians putting satins work on line like it is gospel , they do not realize they put the mark in their hand by assisting Satan inadvertently.
I just had to stop by and say hello to you!

Little star
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A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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Re: Jesus teaches His Apostles about Hell and The Chastisements of Outer Darkness, Excerpts from Pista Sophia
This is clearly astro-theology.

It also confirms someone we all know here that is going straight to hell.
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Re: Jesus teaches His Apostles about Hell and The Chastisements of Outer Darkness, Excerpts from Pista Sophia
you will never understand the riddle of the book if you take it all literally.
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06/15/2011 01:15 PM
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This is just another total bullshit writing and I would not PISTA ON SOPHIA IF SHE WAS ON FIRE
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Your post speaks volumes about where you are coming from, and it is not Christianty. Those who use profane and vulgar language do not believe in Jesus, they are the servants of Satan.

If you believe in Jesus you do not behave in such ways.

Get thee hence Satan!
 Quoting: Mark Brander


I may have done a little play on words my friend but believe this when I tell you , you have the mark of the beast IN YOUR RIGHT HAND by placing these false teachings for all to read, they are by no means biblical and go totally against the teachings of the bible .

Take the stick out of your eye before you take the speck out of mine , and one last word of advice get yourself a strongs concordance and a kjv bible and see how hell has been translated wrong so very many translations throughout the bible. If you think God would leave one of his children to suffer an eternity of burning in hell you do not understand our Father or his teachings

Peace be with you and stop reading garbage so called scripture.
 Quoting: Godsontoo


I just had to stop by and say hello to you!

Little star
 Quoting: little star 1396900


Man this Ipad is a pain as you can see by my trying to answer you anyhow it is good to hear from you
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.

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