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Mark, you have some personal issues with the Catholic Church.

I did at one time as well, but the Blessed Mother persuade me and know I understand. My faith is not based on others interpretations of how I should understand the Catholic faith, it's mine to unfold and discern for my self.

This is the true interpretation of any faith, and it starts with love for another and all in every faith.

To believe in one God and love every one on earth and accepted them as God loves them is the Catholic faith.
 Quoting: PillBug

Please show me in the scriptures where we are to worship Mary as the "Blessed Mother"?

Once you understand that the Catholic Mary worship is blasphemy, I will explain how you are not even worshiping Mary... you are actually worshiping the pagan goddess Isis.

The Roman Catholic church is in reality the ancient Babylonian mystery religion (Isis, Osiris, Horas) dressed up to look like Christianity.

If you read Revelation with an open mind and open heart, you will discover that Vatican City is the harlot of Revelation 17.
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No, I said "renumbered" Your protest of "idol worship" to
explain the difference isn't true. Thank you Jimmy Akin,
Catholic Apologist for your explanation, it is clear and
a help.

Let me ask you chrissie, you sound pretty happy about agreeing with the Hebrew, to come against Catholicism, why do you not follow the Jewish belief in a place of purgation after death, Purgatory?

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The Abbreviation of the Ten Commandments

For a couple of reasons, Christians have historically aided memorization of the Decalogue by using an abbreviation of the commandments. Thus the <Catechism of the Catholic Church> notes:

Catechism paragraph 2065 Ever since St. Augustine, the Ten Commandments have occupied a predominant place in the catechesis of baptismal candidates and the faithful. In the fifteenth century, the custom arose of expressing the commandments of the Decalogue in rhymed formulae, easy to memorize and in positive form. They are still in use today. The catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments.

By nature, an abbreviation must leave out certain material, and since the Church has most typically used the Augustinian division of the Decalogue, the section of the Decalogue which says:

"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Gets abbreviated to:

"You shall have no other gods before me.

This abbreviation has led anti-Catholics to virtually explode with rage, declaring that the Catholic Church has "hidden" or "removed" from the Ten Commandments the prohibition of idolatry. This assertion stems from two sources: (1) their misinterpretation of the idolatry command as a prohibition of all religious images and (2) their intense hostility toward the Catholic Church.

However, the falsity of the charge can easily be shown by pointing out that:

1. Luther himself abbreviated the no false gods/no idols commandment this way.

2. Jews—who today are even more opposed to religious representations than Protestants—abbreviate this command in this way.

3. Protestants themselves, even those who separate the two parts of the command, abbreviate them for catechetical purposes, showing that catechetical abbreviation is perfectly fine in principle and is in no way an attempt to "hide" or "remove" any of the Ten Commandments.

4. Teaching the faith to others, especially children, <requires> an abbreviation of the Ten Commandments for easy memorization since they are otherwise a very long block of material to memorize, longer than any of the commonly recited creeds. It would take a <great> deal of effort to memorize the Ten Commandments in unabbreviated form. And while God certainly wants each Christian to <know> the Ten Commandments, he certainly does not expect every Christian (including the billions of illiterate ones in world history) to <memorize> them in unabbreviated form. That is <not> an essential Christian duty, and thus Luther, the Jews, and Protestants in general have used abbreviations to aid in memorization.

5. Another reason—besides their sheer length—for abbreviating the Ten Commandments is that they contain a lot of historical material that is simply not directly applicable to modern Gentile Christians. Thus God tells the ancient, Jewish audience that he is the Lord, "who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage" (Ex. 20:2), that they must honor (lit., "glorify") their parents so "that your days may be long in the land which the LORD your God gives you" (Ex. 20:12), and that "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day" (Deut. 5:15). Besides these, there are also numerous cultural-historical references which no longer apply to the overwhelming majority of Christians today—such as having male and female slaves, cities with gates and walls, oxen, asses, and fields—while they did apply to what might be called "the Hebrew middle class" in ancient Palestine.

6. Finally, the fact the Church is not trying to "hide" or "remove" any of Ten Commandments by abbreviating them in the memorization formula is indicated by the fact that <everywhere else> the Church uses them in <unabbreviated> form. They are there, in all their unabbreviated glory, in every Catholic Bible, including the Vulgate, which was used for a thousand years before the Protestant Reformation, as well as in all the vernacular translations of Scripture before and since the appearance of Protestantism. They are read out unabbreviated during the Scripture readings at Mass (and always have been). And, finally, when catechetics is done and people are taught the Ten Commandments, they are always read and shown the unabbreviated form before being asked to learn the memorization formula.

In short, there is simply no basis whatsoever to the charge that the Church is trying to "hide" or "remove" any of the Ten Commandments. Rather, the Church is trying to make them easier to memorize and thus help people learn and internalize them better. One may well ask in which communion an average, catechized person is more likely to know the Ten Commandments by heart. Is a catechized Catholic more likely to be able to name the commandments in order, or is a average, catechized Protestant more likely to be able to name them in order? Which communion <really> stresses the Ten Commandments more in its catechesis? The group that says it is a mortal sin to violate them or the group that is more prone to say, "That is just Old Testament. Today we have grace"?


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


so if you still claim to follow that commandment, why do you worship idols and statues. why are your churches filled with graven images, why do you have likenesses of people in heaven and why do you pray to them and worship them?

 Quoting: chrissiel123


Thanks for asking.

The image of God and His mother and the saints cannot
be "graven images." That's another misinterpretation of
Scripture by those who think they can interpret Scripture
for themselves.

It is simple, statues are reminders of who we love like
a photograph. I am reminded of Jesus, when I see a statue of the image of the Sacred Heart. The Sacred Heart Statue makes me think of His heart pierced for love of us.

Reminders, that's all, no worship. Catholics worship
God not a statue.

I have seen Protestant images of Jesus, in your Bibles and on the Net, you best reply to that friend.


take care chrissie,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


I am not protestant, and my home contains no likenesses of anyone that is in heaven, as commanded by GOD HIMSELF in the ten commandments.

and while the erse you quoted about confession does state that the disciples are allowed to forgive people, it says nothing about the need for people to either individually tell them what each and every sin is in order to be forgiven or that pennance is required for said forgiveness. And in fact we are told often in the Bible tht our sins are forgiven just by praying for it. We need only repent in prayer to God. And there are no Hail Mary's ni the Bible because one: she is NOT the path to forgiveness and should not be prayed to and two: because Jesus specifically told His disciples that e DETESTED repetitive prayers.
but you have answers for that too.
Anyway, like I said, not trying to argue among someone that is trying to follow God, just trying to understand how billions of people can follow such a model that goes against what the Bible taught. And disputing claims that the catholic church is the original church ordained by Jesus, as I have already shown that it is not. It is a rebellion sub-church to the original church much in the way protestantism is from catholic.
 Quoting: chrissiel123


chrissie,

I try to be nice, no use. More protest and rejection. Great, don't have a reminder of Our Lord or anyone in Heaven. But I know you do in your Bible. Are you offended Protestant artists have painted images of Jesus? I bet not. I have a crucifix in almost every room in our home as reminder. Jesus desires we recall His Sacrifice. There's an image for you. Do you see now?

I gave you Scriptural reference to confession to a priest.
There are others, Paul speaks of confessing your sins to
a priest. It's not "each and every sin" but our serious sins, our mortal sins not minor sins,venial, that we must confess. You deny/ignore John 20:23. Most of the Hail Mary is in Scripture. Do you know God the Father's first words for Mary brought by Archangel Gabriel are the first words of the Hail Mary. "Hail full of Grace." The prayer starts "Hail Mary full of Grace."

Another misinterpretation. God meant insincere "repetitive
prayer"...most prayers said over again are prayers of meditation. You say the prayer because you know it but
think of God personally at the same time.

I don't see you speaking about your not becoming Orthodox
since you declare it to be the first Church after Peter died. You joined the group that came along 16 centuries later. Why? I am trying to help, the Bible is a Catholic. Go ask most any Protestant minister, they will tell you yes. Who compiled the Canon if the Church didn't?

_ _ _ _

How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalogue of inspired books) was officially declared.
All books that were considered for the Cannon, but not included were called Apocrypha, and thus declared not inspired.

362 A.D. Catholic Church's Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)
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The Catholic church is Satan's church, Jesus has nothing to do with it. Do your homework. Do some research about the perversion and filth coming out of the Satanic whorehouse known as the Vatican.

People need to be far away from calling Catholic priests 'father' and confessing sins to them, people also need to stop worshiping and praying to the mother of Jesus. It is evil. Burn your rosaries and come away from the Catholic church, it is filled with witchcraft and evil!

Those priests will drag you right into hell with them.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Although the hierarchy of the church is evil Jesus still gathers to his faithful. You must remember these lost sheep never had a Shepard but yet the faithful gather and seek Jesus every week and he is in them. It will be all who teach the false doctrine who answer to God.
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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OP.. you are a brain washed fuck tard.. ALL organized religion is wrong.. being told how and who to worship.. you are nothing more then a brain washed bible thumper..
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Amen to that.
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The Catholic church is Satan's church, Jesus has nothing to do with it. Do your homework. Do some research about the perversion and filth coming out of the Satanic whorehouse known as the Vatican.

People need to be far away from calling Catholic priests 'father' and confessing sins to them, people also need to stop worshiping and praying to the mother of Jesus. It is evil. Burn your rosaries and come away from the Catholic church, it is filled with witchcraft and evil!

Those priests will drag you right into hell with them.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Although the hierarchy of the church is evi
l Jesus still gathers to his faithful. You must remember these lost sheep never had a Shepard but yet the faithful gather and seek Jesus every week and he is in them. It will be all who teach the false doctrine who answer to God.
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Satan knows who the true Church is, He attacks the priesthood
because He believes in the spiritual power of the priesthood.
priests are our greatest means to the grace needed to get to Heaven.
There are some fallen in the Hierarchy. Not all of the Hierarchy as you post speaking as fallen away Catholic. Of course you'll say that G.S.T. Taking the easy way, you decide
your own justification. The Remnant is Roman Catholic,
you are the lost sheep Godsontoo.
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so if you still claim to follow that commandment, why do you worship idols and statues. why are your churches filled with graven images, why do you have likenesses of people in heaven and why do you pray to them and worship them?

 Quoting: chrissiel123


Thanks for asking.

The image of God and His mother and the saints cannot
be "graven images." That's another misinterpretation of
Scripture by those who think they can interpret Scripture
for themselves.

It is simple, statues are reminders of who we love like
a photograph. I am reminded of Jesus, when I see a statue of the image of the Sacred Heart. The Sacred Heart Statue makes me think of His heart pierced for love of us.

Reminders, that's all, no worship. Catholics worship
God not a statue.

I have seen Protestant images of Jesus, in your Bibles and on the Net, you best reply to that friend.


take care chrissie,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


I am not protestant, and my home contains no likenesses of anyone that is in heaven, as commanded by GOD HIMSELF in the ten commandments.

and while the erse you quoted about confession does state that the disciples are allowed to forgive people, it says nothing about the need for people to either individually tell them what each and every sin is in order to be forgiven or that pennance is required for said forgiveness. And in fact we are told often in the Bible tht our sins are forgiven just by praying for it. We need only repent in prayer to God. And there are no Hail Mary's ni the Bible because one: she is NOT the path to forgiveness and should not be prayed to and two: because Jesus specifically told His disciples that e DETESTED repetitive prayers.
but you have answers for that too.
Anyway, like I said, not trying to argue among someone that is trying to follow God, just trying to understand how billions of people can follow such a model that goes against what the Bible taught. And disputing claims that the catholic church is the original church ordained by Jesus, as I have already shown that it is not. It is a rebellion sub-church to the original church much in the way protestantism is from catholic.
 Quoting: chrissiel123


chrissie,

I try to be nice, no use. More protest and rejection. Great, don't have a reminder of Our Lord or anyone in Heaven. But I know you do in your Bible. Are you offended Protestant artists have painted images of Jesus? I bet not. I have a crucifix in almost every room in our home as reminder. Jesus desires we recall His Sacrifice. There's an image for you. Do you see now?

I gave you Scriptural reference to confession to a priest.
There are others, Paul speaks of confessing your sins to
a priest. It's not "each and every sin" but our serious sins, our mortal sins not minor sins,venial, that we must confess. You deny/ignore John 20:23. Most of the Hail Mary is in Scripture. Do you know God the Father's first words for Mary brought by Archangel Gabriel are the first words of the Hail Mary. "Hail full of Grace." The prayer starts "Hail Mary full of Grace."

Another misinterpretation. God meant insincere "repetitive
prayer"...most prayers said over again are prayers of meditation. You say the prayer because you know it but
think of God personally at the same time.

I don't see you speaking about your not becoming Orthodox
since you declare it to be the first Church after Peter died. You joined the group that came along 16 centuries later. Why? I am trying to help, the Bible is a Catholic. Go ask most any Protestant minister, they will tell you yes. Who compiled the Canon if the Church didn't?

_ _ _ _

How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalogue of inspired books) was officially declared.
All books that were considered for the Cannon, but not included were called Apocrypha, and thus declared not inspired.

362 A.D. Catholic Church's Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


I have repeatedly stated that I have joined no church yet.
You keep saying I am protestant. Why do you ignore my words?

Keep your faith, i have no concern for your your own protestations about the validity of your church. The catholics are no different from the protestants in that regards.
As for orthodox, I have been looking into it, to see if they align truthfully with the Bible and the decision will be made when I am ready to make it. I d o not follow blindly. Much work must be done, much prayer and asking for guidance. So far the Spirit of God has not been steering me to either catholocism or protestantism.
and regardless of how you justify the sunday worship, the confession , the pennance - you didnt mention that actually, no biblical reference i guess - it still is a fallen church for murdering its own people.
you have yet to defend that.
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The Catholic church is Satan's church, Jesus has nothing to do with it. Do your homework. Do some research about the perversion and filth coming out of the Satanic whorehouse known as the Vatican.

People need to be far away from calling Catholic priests 'father' and confessing sins to them, people also need to stop worshiping and praying to the mother of Jesus. It is evil. Burn your rosaries and come away from the Catholic church, it is filled with witchcraft and evil!

Those priests will drag you right into hell with them.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Although the hierarchy of the church is evi
l Jesus still gathers to his faithful. You must remember these lost sheep never had a Shepard but yet the faithful gather and seek Jesus every week and he is in them. It will be all who teach the false doctrine who answer to God.
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Satan knows who the true Church is, He attacks the priesthood
because He believes in the spiritual power of the priesthood.
priests are our greatest means to the grace needed to get to Heaven.
There are some fallen in the Hierarchy. Not all of the Hierarchy as you post speaking as fallen away Catholic. Of course you'll say that G.S.T. Taking the easy way, you decide
your own justification. The Remnant is Roman Catholic,
you are the lost sheep Godsontoo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


You are wrong if a priest and ALL the hierarchy who are suppose to be Bible scholars continue to teach this false doctrine of catholisism knowingly the they will be judge first by God because judgement begins at the pulpit. Second if you are so delusional that you believe a priest has grace before another and will lead the CHURCH TO HEAVEN then you do not understand scripture and our Father sends you strong delusion to protect you.

And do not bother calling me a catholic bashed because I was a catholic. For my whole life until I started reading the bible and through the grace of God he took me out of that corrupt system of man to satnd firm against Satan . You my friend are being bamboozled by the catholic church that has so corrupted the truth of Gods word a bow my head in shame at the thought I practiced this for so long.
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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The Catholic church is Satan's church, Jesus has nothing to do with it. Do your homework. Do some research about the perversion and filth coming out of the Satanic whorehouse known as the Vatican.

People need to be far away from calling Catholic priests 'father' and confessing sins to them, people also need to stop worshiping and praying to the mother of Jesus. It is evil. Burn your rosaries and come away from the Catholic church, it is filled with witchcraft and evil!

Those priests will drag you right into hell with them.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Oh Mark. Does no good to start another anti-Catholic thread.
It's been done, every day at GLP. And the same for your protest. It's been explained, think now. Jesus used
hyperbole sometimes. This was one of those times when He
said "Call no man father."

You just don't understand the faith. You will better understand at the Great Warning and then you will rush forward to receive the Holy Eucharist as been prophesied. Same with Ken Peters, explained in one of your threads.

It is "soon" the Great Warning. Prepare best by making a
heartfelt Confession to God of your mortal sins.
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How wrong you are.....They are evil.
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The OP is right. Catholicism is a perversion of christianity, the "Mass" is a Black Mass, and the "Mother of God" is a demon in drag.


It doesn't surprise me that so many come out in support of a worldly institution that is fundamentally demonic. Those who defend Catholicism don't know God as their father.


Come out of her, my people!

Revelation 18:4


The "harlot/whore that rides the beast, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus", is Catholicism. Research the Inquisition and the Congregation for the Doctrination of the Faith. It "officially" started in the 12th century and is still going on today. The chief purpose was to ferret out anyone who chose Jesus and God (true Christians) above allegiance to the pope. Those who refused to choose the pope were tortured and killed. Raztinger was the head of it for over 20 years (appointed by JP2) before becoming pope.



"Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, was from 25 November 1981 Cardinal-Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the Inquisition. He was named to that post by Pope John Paul II."


[link to en.wikipedia.org]



COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE!
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Thanks for asking.

The image of God and His mother and the saints cannot
be "graven images." That's another misinterpretation of
Scripture by those who think they can interpret Scripture
for themselves.

It is simple, statues are reminders of who we love like
a photograph. I am reminded of Jesus, when I see a statue of the image of the Sacred Heart. The Sacred Heart Statue makes me think of His heart pierced for love of us.

Reminders, that's all, no worship. Catholics worship
God not a statue.

I have seen Protestant images of Jesus, in your Bibles and on the Net, you best reply to that friend.


take care chrissie,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


I am not protestant, and my home contains no likenesses of anyone that is in heaven, as commanded by GOD HIMSELF in the ten commandments.

and while the erse you quoted about confession does state that the disciples are allowed to forgive people, it says nothing about the need for people to either individually tell them what each and every sin is in order to be forgiven or that pennance is required for said forgiveness. And in fact we are told often in the Bible tht our sins are forgiven just by praying for it. We need only repent in prayer to God. And there are no Hail Mary's ni the Bible because one: she is NOT the path to forgiveness and should not be prayed to and two: because Jesus specifically told His disciples that e DETESTED repetitive prayers.
but you have answers for that too.
Anyway, like I said, not trying to argue among someone that is trying to follow God, just trying to understand how billions of people can follow such a model that goes against what the Bible taught. And disputing claims that the catholic church is the original church ordained by Jesus, as I have already shown that it is not. It is a rebellion sub-church to the original church much in the way protestantism is from catholic.
 Quoting: chrissiel123


chrissie,

I try to be nice, no use. More protest and rejection. Great, don't have a reminder of Our Lord or anyone in Heaven. But I know you do in your Bible. Are you offended Protestant artists have painted images of Jesus? I bet not. I have a crucifix in almost every room in our home as reminder. Jesus desires we recall His Sacrifice. There's an image for you. Do you see now?

I gave you Scriptural reference to confession to a priest.
There are others, Paul speaks of confessing your sins to
a priest. It's not "each and every sin" but our serious sins, our mortal sins not minor sins,venial, that we must confess. You deny/ignore John 20:23. Most of the Hail Mary is in Scripture. Do you know God the Father's first words for Mary brought by Archangel Gabriel are the first words of the Hail Mary. "Hail full of Grace." The prayer starts "Hail Mary full of Grace."

Another misinterpretation. God meant insincere "repetitive
prayer"...most prayers said over again are prayers of meditation. You say the prayer because you know it but
think of God personally at the same time.

I don't see you speaking about your not becoming Orthodox
since you declare it to be the first Church after Peter died. You joined the group that came along 16 centuries later. Why? I am trying to help, the Bible is a Catholic. Go ask most any Protestant minister, they will tell you yes. Who compiled the Canon if the Church didn't?

_ _ _ _

How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalogue of inspired books) was officially declared.
All books that were considered for the Cannon, but not included were called Apocrypha, and thus declared not inspired.

362 A.D. Catholic Church's Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


I have repeatedly stated that I have joined no church yet.
You keep saying I am protestant. Why do you ignore my words?

Keep your faith, i have no concern for your your own protestations about the validity of your church. The catholics are no different from the protestants in that regards.
As for orthodox, I have been looking into it, to see if they align truthfully with the Bible and the decision will be made when I am ready to make it. I d o not follow blindly. Much work must be done, much prayer and asking for guidance. So far the Spirit of God has not been steering me to either catholocism or protestantism.
and regardless of how you justify the sunday worship, the confession , the pennance - you didnt mention that actually, no biblical reference i guess - it still is a fallen church for murdering its own people.
you have yet to defend that.

 Quoting: chrissiel123


You named one, belonging to a Protestant denomination in the "God" thread and then you said you are a Church of One. Fellowship and Bible discussion are your priority.

I am glad now you're saying you're looking. God is going to reveal to you the RCC you've decided to come against supporting the OP and his anti-Catholic thread. God personally is going show you the RCC is the true faith.
I am with God, I want you to become Catholic too.

Your one line I bolded, how many threads are you going to repeat it in? What are talking about, be specific. The Catholic Church murdered who and when? Names and dates. You haven't written one.

You didn't share history or dates on another Canon either.
Why, cause there isn't one. And fact, the Orthodox broke away from the RCC. St. Ignatius used the word Catholic in the year 107, is that early enough for you to believe?

You are being dishonest about Scriptural reference cause you have no comebacks. I gave you a half page of Scriptural reference to the Lord's Day, Sunday worship and a writing to explain it better than I can. Remember, reference to Jesus went to Church, He didn't stay home, He kept the Commandments. I gave you several verses on Confession. I'll look up Paul's words on the same.
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The Catholic church is Satan's church, Jesus has nothing to do with it. Do your homework. Do some research about the perversion and filth coming out of the Satanic whorehouse known as the Vatican.

People need to be far away from calling Catholic priests 'father' and confessing sins to them, people also need to stop worshiping and praying to the mother of Jesus. It is evil. Burn your rosaries and come away from the Catholic church, it is filled with witchcraft and evil!

Those priests will drag you right into hell with them.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Although the hierarchy of the church is evi
l Jesus still gathers to his faithful. You must remember these lost sheep never had a Shepard but yet the faithful gather and seek Jesus every week and he is in them. It will be all who teach the false doctrine who answer to God.
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Satan knows who the true Church is, He attacks the priesthood
because He believes in the spiritual power of the priesthood.
priests are our greatest means to the grace needed to get to Heaven.
There are some fallen in the Hierarchy. Not all of the Hierarchy as you post speaking as fallen away Catholic. Of course you'll say that G.S.T. Taking the easy way, you decide
your own justification. The Remnant is Roman Catholic,
you are the lost sheep Godsontoo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


You are wrong if a priest and ALL the hierarchy who are suppose to be Bible scholars continue to teach this false doctrine of catholisism knowingly the they will be judge first by God because judgement begins at the pulpit. Second if you are so delusional that you believe a priest has grace before another and will lead the CHURCH TO HEAVEN then you do not understand scripture and our Father sends you strong delusion to protect you.

And do not bother calling me a catholic bashed because I was a catholic. For my whole life until I started reading the bible and through the grace of God he took me out of that corrupt system of man to satnd firm against Satan . You my friend are being bamboozled by the catholic church that has so corrupted the truth of Gods word a bow my head in shame at the thought I practiced this for so long.
 Quoting: Godsontoo


You prove it by your words.

You don't know the faith, if you did, you wouldn't of left.
And Scripture, you like it now, cause you get to decide
what it means GST.

Foolish Protestantism. Can't put it together, the most
basic. The Church gave you the Bible, so....
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The Catholic church is Satan's church, Jesus has nothing to do with it. Do your homework. Do some research about the perversion and filth coming out of the Satanic whorehouse known as the Vatican.

People need to be far away from calling Catholic priests 'father' and confessing sins to them, people also need to stop worshiping and praying to the mother of Jesus. It is evil. Burn your rosaries and come away from the Catholic church, it is filled with witchcraft and evil!

Those priests will drag you right into hell with them.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Agree
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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There is no ministerial priesthood in Protestantism.

More verses about the priests' power to forgive sins in
Jesus' name and to anoint the sick and dying.

My mother could speak Latin, I can't. St. Jerome compiled the Bible, the first Bible was written in Latin, the common language of the day. The English translation of that first Bible, the Vulgate. From the Douay-Rheims Bible ~

Check the footnotes:

James 5:14-16
Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. [15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him.


[14] "Let him bring in"... See here a plain warrant of scripture for the sacrament of extreme unction, that any controversy against its institution would be against the express words of the sacred text in the plainest terms.

[16] Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.


[16] "Confess therefore your sins one to another"... That is, to the priests of the church, whom (ver. 14) he had ordered to be called for, and brought in to the sick; moreover, to confess to persons who had no power to forgive sins, would be useless. Hence the precept here means, that we must confess to men whom God hath appointed, and who, by their ordination and jurisdiction, have received the power of remitting sins in his name.


[link to www.drbo.org]
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You named one, belonging to a Protestant denomination in the "God" thread and then you said you are a Church of One. Fellowship and Bible discussion are your priority.

I am glad now you're saying you're looking. God is going to reveal to you the RCC you've decided to come against supporting the OP and his anti-Catholic thread. God personally is going show you the RCC is the true faith.
I am with God, I want you to become Catholic too.

Your one line I bolded, how many threads are you going to repeat it in? What are talking about, be specific. The Catholic Church murdered who and when? Names and dates. You haven't written one.

You didn't share history or dates on another Canon either.
Why, cause there isn't one. And fact, the Orthodox broke away from the RCC. St. Ignatius used the word Catholic in the year 107, is that early enough for you to believe?

You are being dishonest about Scriptural reference cause you have no comebacks. I gave you a half page of Scriptural reference to the Lord's Day, Sunday worship and a writing to explain it better than I can. Remember, reference to Jesus went to Church, He didn't stay home, He kept the Commandments. I gave you several verses on Confession. I'll look up Paul's words on the same.


the catholic churfch DID bun people for Bible ownership, withheld forgiveness of sins until Bible were purged from home.

Not only did she forbid the reading of the Bible,
but she also forbid having posession of a Bible
in one's own home.

These were called the "Dark Ages" for obvious
reasons. The Apostate Church of Christendom was
at the peak of her power, and was afraid that if
her subjects owned and read Bibles, that they might
question some of the Church's actions and teachings.

"During the Dark Ages (A.D. 500-1500),
Rome burned Bibles along with their owners."
-The Baptist Pillar
CANADA'S ONLY TRUE BAPTIST PAPER
Published by Bible Baptist Church


This was a time, when not only was the Bible banned,
but literacy in general was prohibited and frowned
upon. Very few people during this time knew how to
read or write. Again, the Apostate Church was
determined that the less knowledge that people had,
the more easy it would be to rule them.

"Only ten percent of people
in the Roman Empire could read...
and those were generally in the wealthy
upper classes."
-River of God,
Gregory J. Riley, pp. 66



The Church admits this in her own Laws :


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should
not be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having
any translation of these books."
- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 AD
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Scolar Press, London, England
copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,
ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195


The Council of Tarragona of 1234,
in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old
and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses
them he must turn them over to the local bishop
within eight days, so that they may be burned..."
- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD;
2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch,
Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition
archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books,
which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read
or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed
that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist.
Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires
along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index
of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating
to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition
itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."
-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book
By Jude Webber
ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be
permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament;
...we most strictly forbid their having any translation
of these books."
- ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters,
Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980
by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195
--After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse
directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse
of Sacred Scripture on the part of the athari:
"prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti
laicis permittatur habere"
(Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).


ITEM #3 THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA - 1234 A.D.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon,
ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old and New
Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone
possesses them he must turn them over to the local
bishop within eight days after promulgation of
this decree, so that they may be burned...."
- D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

ITEM #6 THE BIBLE PROHIBITED BY
THE INDEX LIBRORUM PROHIBITORUM

Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled
and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent
(Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559.
This is an excerpt :

"Whoever reads or has such a translation in his
possession... cannot be absolved from his sins
until he has turned in these Bibles...Books in the
vernacular dealing with the controversies between
Catholics and the heretics of our time are not to be
generally permitted, but are to be handled in the
same way as Bible translations..."
- Rule IV & Rule VI
Die Indices Librorum Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen, 1886), page 246f.
Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand,
copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row,Inc.,
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480,
pages 474, 475.

History's Most Indestructable Book

Many dictators have attempted to wipe
the Bible from existence. Yet it has
withstood all these attacks, remaining
the most popular book in the world.
More copies of the Bible are sold every year
than any other book, despite its image as
being "out of date."


Christendom Becomes - An Enemy of the bible

Christendom - as a political power

Unfortunately, this ultimately led to
persecution again as the church quickly
became a powerful political force, used to
control public opinion and political ambitions.

The Bible continued to be attacked, now from
within the church. Bibles in common languages
such as Greek were outlawed. The Latin Vulgate
Bible was produced and carefully controlled,
readable only by specially trained representatives
of the church. Laws were issued making it illegal
for any Christian to possess a Bible. Penalties
included burning at the stake. During the Dark Ages
even priests were unable to read the Scriptures
for themselves. As a result, they were unable to
compare the false doctrines sweeping through the
Roman church against the doctrines of the
Word of God. In Italy, it was still illegal to
own a Bible until 1870!


I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe, when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.
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I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe, when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.


Jesus is going to destroy Catholicism, there will be nothing left to join.
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I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe, when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Jesus is going to destroy Catholicism, there will be nothing left to join.


You bible thumping morons.. If there is a Jesus he is going to crush all Religion for useing his name for all your wars and all the killing you fools have done in his name over the last 2000 years or so.. Start your boot licking now and just like you tell people that are not a part of your messed up religions get ready to burn
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I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe, when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Jesus is going to destroy Catholicism, there will be nothing left to join.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371534


You bible thumping morons.. If there is a Jesus he is going to crush all Religion for useing his name for all your wars and all the killing you fools have done in his name over the last 2000 years or so.. Start your boot licking now and just like you tell people that are not a part of your messed up religions get ready to burn


why would he crush me for something i took no part in, regret that it was done, and pray about to Him? He may crush out religions, but not the individuals that do not support those churches.
if i go to hell if there is one, it will be for sins i have committed, not for things churches have done.
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I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe, when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.
 Quoting: Mark Brander


Jesus is going to destroy Catholicism, there will be nothing left to join.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371534


You bible thumping morons.. If there is a Jesus he is going to crush all Religion for useing his name for all your wars and all the killing you fools have done in his name over the last 2000 years or so.. Start your boot licking now and just like you tell people that are not a part of your messed up religions get ready to burn
 Quoting: chrissiel123


why would he crush me for something i took no part in, regret that it was done, and pray about to Him? He may crush out religions, but not the individuals that do not support those churches.
if i go to hell if there is one, it will be for sins i have committed, not for things churches have done.


not you.. the OP
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I Came out of the RCC too, and now follow Jesus Christ alone. The RCC is a "Leaky Bucket" cult, that is a haven for demonic teachings. It is simply a continuation of ancient Babylonian Mother-Goddess religion.

Isis= Mary

Osirus= Pope

Horus= Baby Jesus

Also, google "Cybele" she was the Roman Empire's version of Mary, basically a renamed Isis. Cybele was attended by celebant male priests (Sounds familiar?)

When Constantine declared "Christianity" as the state religion of Rome in 3rd century, he rolled all the pagan holidays and practices into the true Christian faith and thus the heresy of the RCC was born.

There were true followers of Christ however that saw the error and abomination and would not join the RCC and they have been persecuted and killed for centuries.
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You named one, belonging to a Protestant denomination in the "God" thread and then you said you are a Church of One. Fellowship and Bible discussion are your priority.

I am glad now you're saying you're looking. God is going to reveal to you the RCC you've decided to come against supporting the OP and his anti-Catholic thread. God personally is going show you the RCC is the true faith.
I am with God, I want you to become Catholic too.

Your one line I bolded, how many threads are you going to repeat it in? What are talking about, be specific. The Catholic Church murdered who and when? Names and dates. You haven't written one.

You didn't share history or dates on another Canon either.
Why, cause there isn't one. And fact, the Orthodox broke away from the RCC. St. Ignatius used the word Catholic in the year 107, is that early enough for you to believe?

You are being dishonest about Scriptural reference cause you have no comebacks. I gave you a half page of Scriptural reference to the Lord's Day, Sunday worship and a writing to explain it better than I can. Remember, reference to Jesus went to Church, He didn't stay home, He kept the Commandments. I gave you several verses on Confession. I'll look up Paul's words on the same.
 Quoting: chrissiel123


the catholic churfch DID bun people for Bible ownership, withheld forgiveness of sins until Bible were purged from home.

Not only did she forbid the reading of the Bible,
but she also forbid having posession of a Bible
in one's own home.

These were called the "Dark Ages" for obvious
reasons. The Apostate Church of Christendom was
at the peak of her power, and was afraid that if
her subjects owned and read Bibles, that they might
question some of the Church's actions and teachings.

"During the Dark Ages (A.D. 500-1500),
Rome burned Bibles along with their owners."
-The Baptist Pillar
CANADA'S ONLY TRUE BAPTIST PAPER
Published by Bible Baptist Church


This was a time, when not only was the Bible banned,
but literacy in general was prohibited and frowned
upon. Very few people during this time knew how to
read or write. Again, the Apostate Church was
determined that the less knowledge that people had,
the more easy it would be to rule them.

"Only ten percent of people
in the Roman Empire could read...
and those were generally in the wealthy
upper classes."
-River of God,
Gregory J. Riley, pp. 66



The Church admits this in her own Laws :


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should
not be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having
any translation of these books."
- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 AD
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Scolar Press, London, England
copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,
ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195


The Council of Tarragona of 1234,
in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old
and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses
them he must turn them over to the local bishop
within eight days, so that they may be burned..."
- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD;
2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch,
Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition
archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books,
which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read
or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed
that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist.
Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires
along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index
of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating
to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition
itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."
-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book
By Jude Webber
ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be
permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament;
...we most strictly forbid their having any translation
of these books."
- ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters,
Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980
by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195
--After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse
directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse
of Sacred Scripture on the part of the athari:
"prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti
laicis permittatur habere"
(Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).


ITEM #3 THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA - 1234 A.D.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon,
ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old and New
Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone
possesses them he must turn them over to the local
bishop within eight days after promulgation of
this decree, so that they may be burned...."
- D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

ITEM #6 THE BIBLE PROHIBITED BY
THE INDEX LIBRORUM PROHIBITORUM

Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled
and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent
(Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559.
This is an excerpt :

"Whoever reads or has such a translation in his
possession... cannot be absolved from his sins
until he has turned in these Bibles...Books in the
vernacular dealing with the controversies between
Catholics and the heretics of our time are not to be
generally permitted, but are to be handled in the
same way as Bible translations..."
- Rule IV & Rule VI
Die Indices Librorum Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen, 1886), page 246f.
Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand,
copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row,Inc.,
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480,
pages 474, 475.

History's Most Indestructable Book

Many dictators have attempted to wipe
the Bible from existence. Yet it has
withstood all these attacks, remaining
the most popular book in the world.
More copies of the Bible are sold every year
than any other book, despite its image as
being "out of date."


Christendom Becomes - An Enemy of the bible

Christendom - as a political power

Unfortunately, this ultimately led to
persecution again as the church quickly
became a powerful political force, used to
control public opinion and political ambitions.

The Bible continued to be attacked, now from
within the church. Bibles in common languages
such as Greek were outlawed. The Latin Vulgate
Bible was produced and carefully controlled,
readable only by specially trained representatives
of the church. Laws were issued making it illegal
for any Christian to possess a Bible. Penalties
included burning at the stake. During the Dark Ages
even priests were unable to read the Scriptures
for themselves. As a result, they were unable to
compare the false doctrines sweeping through the
Roman church against the doctrines of the
Word of God. In Italy, it was still illegal to
own a Bible until 1870!


I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe,
when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.


"Maybe" is a crock. I searched a phrase from above and
a page full of anti-Catholic websites came up. It would
of saved space if you had posted a link to Jack Chick.

Ever time I have given you Scriptural proof for
Church teaching, you have ignored it. The latest from
James, no response. The general no content comment. The
Church is evil, there's gold in the Vatican. And you
never were specific about your accusation of murder.

No one is sitting on the throne with Christ but the other two person's of the Blessed Trinity. Everything you know of Christ came from the Church except the man-made heresies of Protestantism. Trinity isn't written Scripture but you accept the RCC word for the three divine persons. That is just one example, what hypocrites anti-Catholics. Mock the Pope, God has always chosen leaders so there would be an authority, Protestants are their own authority, disagreeing
among themselves then splintering to this day. wakeup
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When Constantine declared "Christianity" as the state religion of Rome in 3rd century, he rolled all the pagan holidays and practices into the true Christian faith and thus the heresy of the RCC was born.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1166122


Oh my gosh, here it is again. The same one name "Constantine" to look legitimate, can't put down any others names, people know they're Catholic. This is the complete Protestant history for the early Church, 33 A.D. until Martin Luther and the others revolted in 1517. One lone paragraph and they think people are going to take it for Truth!

Historically, the Bible was canonized in the 4th century.
What's this 3rd century? By your history, you state the Bible is a Catholic book.
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You named one, belonging to a Protestant denomination in the "God" thread and then you said you are a Church of One. Fellowship and Bible discussion are your priority.

I am glad now you're saying you're looking. God is going to reveal to you the RCC you've decided to come against supporting the OP and his anti-Catholic thread. God personally is going show you the RCC is the true faith.
I am with God, I want you to become Catholic too.

Your one line I bolded, how many threads are you going to repeat it in? What are talking about, be specific. The Catholic Church murdered who and when? Names and dates. You haven't written one.

You didn't share history or dates on another Canon either.
Why, cause there isn't one. And fact, the Orthodox broke away from the RCC. St. Ignatius used the word Catholic in the year 107, is that early enough for you to believe?

You are being dishonest about Scriptural reference cause you have no comebacks. I gave you a half page of Scriptural reference to the Lord's Day, Sunday worship and a writing to explain it better than I can. Remember, reference to Jesus went to Church, He didn't stay home, He kept the Commandments. I gave you several verses on Confession. I'll look up Paul's words on the same.
 Quoting: chrissiel123


the catholic churfch DID bun people for Bible ownership, withheld forgiveness of sins until Bible were purged from home.

Not only did she forbid the reading of the Bible,
but she also forbid having posession of a Bible
in one's own home.

These were called the "Dark Ages" for obvious
reasons. The Apostate Church of Christendom was
at the peak of her power, and was afraid that if
her subjects owned and read Bibles, that they might
question some of the Church's actions and teachings.

"During the Dark Ages (A.D. 500-1500),
Rome burned Bibles along with their owners."
-The Baptist Pillar
CANADA'S ONLY TRUE BAPTIST PAPER
Published by Bible Baptist Church


This was a time, when not only was the Bible banned,
but literacy in general was prohibited and frowned
upon. Very few people during this time knew how to
read or write. Again, the Apostate Church was
determined that the less knowledge that people had,
the more easy it would be to rule them.

"Only ten percent of people
in the Roman Empire could read...
and those were generally in the wealthy
upper classes."
-River of God,
Gregory J. Riley, pp. 66



The Church admits this in her own Laws :


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should
not be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having
any translation of these books."
- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 AD
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Scolar Press, London, England
copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,
ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195


The Council of Tarragona of 1234,
in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old
and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses
them he must turn them over to the local bishop
within eight days, so that they may be burned..."
- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD;
2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch,
Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition
archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books,
which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read
or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed
that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist.
Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires
along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index
of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating
to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition
itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."
-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book
By Jude Webber
ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be
permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament;
...we most strictly forbid their having any translation
of these books."
- ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters,
Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980
by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195
--After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse
directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse
of Sacred Scripture on the part of the athari:
"prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti
laicis permittatur habere"
(Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).


ITEM #3 THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA - 1234 A.D.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon,
ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old and New
Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone
possesses them he must turn them over to the local
bishop within eight days after promulgation of
this decree, so that they may be burned...."
- D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

ITEM #6 THE BIBLE PROHIBITED BY
THE INDEX LIBRORUM PROHIBITORUM

Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled
and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent
(Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559.
This is an excerpt :

"Whoever reads or has such a translation in his
possession... cannot be absolved from his sins
until he has turned in these Bibles...Books in the
vernacular dealing with the controversies between
Catholics and the heretics of our time are not to be
generally permitted, but are to be handled in the
same way as Bible translations..."
- Rule IV & Rule VI
Die Indices Librorum Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen, 1886), page 246f.
Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand,
copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row,Inc.,
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480,
pages 474, 475.

History's Most Indestructable Book

Many dictators have attempted to wipe
the Bible from existence. Yet it has
withstood all these attacks, remaining
the most popular book in the world.
More copies of the Bible are sold every year
than any other book, despite its image as
being "out of date."


Christendom Becomes - An Enemy of the bible

Christendom - as a political power

Unfortunately, this ultimately led to
persecution again as the church quickly
became a powerful political force, used to
control public opinion and political ambitions.

The Bible continued to be attacked, now from
within the church. Bibles in common languages
such as Greek were outlawed. The Latin Vulgate
Bible was produced and carefully controlled,
readable only by specially trained representatives
of the church. Laws were issued making it illegal
for any Christian to possess a Bible. Penalties
included burning at the stake. During the Dark Ages
even priests were unable to read the Scriptures
for themselves. As a result, they were unable to
compare the false doctrines sweeping through the
Roman church against the doctrines of the
Word of God. In Italy, it was still illegal to
own a Bible until 1870!


I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe,
when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


"Maybe" is a crock. I searched a phrase from above and
a page full of anti-Catholic websites came up. It would
of saved space if you had posted a link to Jack Chick.

Ever time I have given you Scriptural proof for
Church teaching, you have ignored it. The latest from
James, no response. The general no content comment. The
Church is evil, there's gold in the Vatican. And you
never were specific about your accusation of murder.

No one is sitting on the throne with Christ but the other two person's of the Blessed Trinity. Everything you know of Christ came from the Church except the man-made heresies of Protestantism. Trinity isn't written Scripture but you accept the RCC word for the three divine persons. That is just one example, what hypocrites anti-Catholics. Mock the Pope, God has always chosen leaders so there would be an authority, Protestants are their own authority, disagreeingamong themselves then splintering to this day. wakeup


no i don't accept the holy trinity. There is God and His SON Jesus. why do you presume to tell me what i accept or dont accept.
and again I am not a protestant.
and the catholic church admitted that Bibles were a banned book
and the throne I am referring to is the one the pope sits upon - as leader of the true church, that is Jesus' throne.

and as far as some of my information coming from what you term as anti-catholic websites, i cannot help it if it appears so to you. a church responsible for over 70 million murders cannot be truthfully shown in a favorable light. but i will try to find some more pro- catholic murder references for you.......


"And so was inflicted on the south of France one of the ferocious massacres in history. Bands of northern brigands pillaged and plundered. In the Cathedral of Saint-Nazaire, twelve thousand 'heretics' were killed ... Those who tried to flee were cut down and butchered. Thousands more were burned at the stake. At Toulouse, Bishop Foulque put to death ten thousand people accused of heresy. At Beziers the entire population of more than twenty thousand was slaughtered. At Citeau, when asked how to distinguish Catholics from Catherists, the abbe replied with his famed cynicism: 'Kill them all; God will know his own'." [Thompkins, P. 58]


"In the Inquisition, pain inflicted on sexual organs was very prevalent, another clear sign of the sexual obsession brought on by the perversions of celibacy"

As you will discover when you read "The Malleus Maleficarium", women were specially targeted for persecution as potential, or suspected, witches. If a woman was merely thrown off a high place, as we see here, she could count herself fortunate to die a quick and relatively painless death. As we shall demonstrate, a demonic spirit of sexual obsession and deviant lust blew through this entire Inquisition after the introduction of "The Malleus Maleficarium"; Pope Innocent III issued the Papal Bull on December 5, 1484, that established this document as the standard by which the Inquisition was to be conducted


Stark, Helen (?–1543)
Protestant martyr. One of the earliest Scottish Protestant martyrs, Helen Stark, or Stirke, was executed by drowning in Perth. She was among a number of heretics condemned there at the visitation of Cardinal David Beaton, Archbishop of St Andrews, in January 1543.

She was charged with having refused to call upon the Virgin Mary in childbirth, and with having claimed that the Virgin had no special qualities which made her superior to other women. Helen’s husband, James Ranoldsone, or Rannelt, was condemned with her. They seem to have been a devoted couple, for Helen appealed, unsuccessfully, to be allowed to share her husband’s bonds and his death by hanging. The townspeople sought to save the accused, but to no avail, since the local priests refused to intercede for any found guilty of such crimes. Helen left several children, including her baby, to the care of the townspeople.

and if you really want to know more, google holy crusades massacre pictures, and look at the drawings and paintings that were made at the time to record the various forms of punishment. not enough to kiil and man or woman, but it had to inflict the most amount of pain and terror. Burning sticks shoved under toenails, feet tethered inches from burning fires, eyes gouged out, man suspended above sharp instruments that were slowly inserted .... never mind too gross to imagine, and they did the same with women hanging above sharp poles....just gruesome.
there were no true trials, people accused were killed. just look at the pictures if you have the stomach, and tell me a Godly church did these things.

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You named one, belonging to a Protestant denomination in the "God" thread and then you said you are a Church of One. Fellowship and Bible discussion are your priority.

I am glad now you're saying you're looking. God is going to reveal to you the RCC you've decided to come against supporting the OP and his anti-Catholic thread. God personally is going show you the RCC is the true faith.
I am with God, I want you to become Catholic too.

Your one line I bolded, how many threads are you going to repeat it in? What are talking about, be specific. The Catholic Church murdered who and when? Names and dates. You haven't written one.

You didn't share history or dates on another Canon either.
Why, cause there isn't one. And fact, the Orthodox broke away from the RCC. St. Ignatius used the word Catholic in the year 107, is that early enough for you to believe?

You are being dishonest about Scriptural reference cause you have no comebacks. I gave you a half page of Scriptural reference to the Lord's Day, Sunday worship and a writing to explain it better than I can. Remember, reference to Jesus went to Church, He didn't stay home, He kept the Commandments. I gave you several verses on Confession. I'll look up Paul's words on the same.
 Quoting: chrissiel123


the catholic churfch DID bun people for Bible ownership, withheld forgiveness of sins until Bible were purged from home.

Not only did she forbid the reading of the Bible,
but she also forbid having posession of a Bible
in one's own home.

These were called the "Dark Ages" for obvious
reasons. The Apostate Church of Christendom was
at the peak of her power, and was afraid that if
her subjects owned and read Bibles, that they might
question some of the Church's actions and teachings.

"During the Dark Ages (A.D. 500-1500),
Rome burned Bibles along with their owners."
-The Baptist Pillar
CANADA'S ONLY TRUE BAPTIST PAPER
Published by Bible Baptist Church


This was a time, when not only was the Bible banned,
but literacy in general was prohibited and frowned
upon. Very few people during this time knew how to
read or write. Again, the Apostate Church was
determined that the less knowledge that people had,
the more easy it would be to rule them.

"Only ten percent of people
in the Roman Empire could read...
and those were generally in the wealthy
upper classes."
-River of God,
Gregory J. Riley, pp. 66



The Church admits this in her own Laws :


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should
not be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having
any translation of these books."
- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 AD
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Scolar Press, London, England
copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,
ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195


The Council of Tarragona of 1234,
in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old
and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses
them he must turn them over to the local bishop
within eight days, so that they may be burned..."
- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD;
2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch,
Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition
archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books,
which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read
or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed
that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist.
Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires
along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index
of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating
to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition
itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."
-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book
By Jude Webber
ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be
permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament;
...we most strictly forbid their having any translation
of these books."
- ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters,
Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980
by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195
--After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse
directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse
of Sacred Scripture on the part of the athari:
"prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti
laicis permittatur habere"
(Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).


ITEM #3 THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA - 1234 A.D.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon,
ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old and New
Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone
possesses them he must turn them over to the local
bishop within eight days after promulgation of
this decree, so that they may be burned...."
- D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

ITEM #6 THE BIBLE PROHIBITED BY
THE INDEX LIBRORUM PROHIBITORUM

Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled
and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent
(Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559.
This is an excerpt :

"Whoever reads or has such a translation in his
possession... cannot be absolved from his sins
until he has turned in these Bibles...Books in the
vernacular dealing with the controversies between
Catholics and the heretics of our time are not to be
generally permitted, but are to be handled in the
same way as Bible translations..."
- Rule IV & Rule VI
Die Indices Librorum Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen, 1886), page 246f.
Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand,
copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row,Inc.,
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480,
pages 474, 475.

History's Most Indestructable Book

Many dictators have attempted to wipe
the Bible from existence. Yet it has
withstood all these attacks, remaining
the most popular book in the world.
More copies of the Bible are sold every year
than any other book, despite its image as
being "out of date."


Christendom Becomes - An Enemy of the bible

Christendom - as a political power

Unfortunately, this ultimately led to
persecution again as the church quickly
became a powerful political force, used to
control public opinion and political ambitions.

The Bible continued to be attacked, now from
within the church. Bibles in common languages
such as Greek were outlawed. The Latin Vulgate
Bible was produced and carefully controlled,
readable only by specially trained representatives
of the church. Laws were issued making it illegal
for any Christian to possess a Bible. Penalties
included burning at the stake. During the Dark Ages
even priests were unable to read the Scriptures
for themselves. As a result, they were unable to
compare the false doctrines sweeping through the
Roman church against the doctrines of the
Word of God. In Italy, it was still illegal to
own a Bible until 1870!


I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe,
when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431202


"Maybe" is a crock. I searched a phrase from above and
a page full of anti-Catholic websites came up. It would
of saved space if you had posted a link to Jack Chick.

Ever time I have given you Scriptural proof for
Church teaching, you have ignored it. The latest from
James, no response. The general no content comment. The
Church is evil, there's gold in the Vatican. And you
never were specific about your accusation of murder.

No one is sitting on the throne with Christ but the other two person's of the Blessed Trinity. Everything you know of Christ came from the Church except the man-made heresies of Protestantism. Trinity isn't written Scripture but you accept the RCC word for the three divine persons. That is just one example, what hypocrites anti-Catholics. Mock the Pope, God has always chosen leaders so there would be an authority, Protestants are their own authority, disagreeingamong themselves then splintering to this day. wakeup
 Quoting: chrissiel123


no i don't accept the holy trinity. There is God and His SON Jesus. why do you presume to tell me what i accept or dont accept.
and again I am not a protestant.
and the catholic church admitted that Bibles were a banned book
and the throne I am referring to is the one the pope sits upon - as leader of the true church, that is Jesus' throne.

and as far as some of my information coming from what you term as anti-catholic websites, i cannot help it if it appears so to you. a church responsible for over 70 million murders cannot be truthfully shown in a favorable light. but i will try to find some more pro- catholic murder references for you.......


"And so was inflicted on the south of France one of the ferocious massacres in history. Bands of northern brigands pillaged and plundered. In the Cathedral of Saint-Nazaire, twelve thousand 'heretics' were killed ... Those who tried to flee were cut down and butchered. Thousands more were burned at the stake. At Toulouse, Bishop Foulque put to death ten thousand people accused of heresy. At Beziers the entire population of more than twenty thousand was slaughtered. At Citeau, when asked how to distinguish Catholics from Catherists, the abbe replied with his famed cynicism: 'Kill them all; God will know his own'." [Thompkins, P. 58]


"In the Inquisition, pain inflicted on sexual organs was very prevalent, another clear sign of the sexual obsession brought on by the perversions of celibacy"

As you will discover when you read "The Malleus Maleficarium", women were specially targeted for persecution as potential, or suspected, witches. If a woman was merely thrown off a high place, as we see here, she could count herself fortunate to die a quick and relatively painless death. As we shall demonstrate, a demonic spirit of sexual obsession and deviant lust blew through this entire Inquisition after the introduction of "The Malleus Maleficarium"; Pope Innocent III issued the Papal Bull on December 5, 1484, that established this document as the standard by which the Inquisition was to be conducted


Stark, Helen (?–1543)
Protestant martyr. One of the earliest Scottish Protestant martyrs, Helen Stark, or Stirke, was executed by drowning in Perth. She was among a number of heretics condemned there at the visitation of Cardinal David Beaton, Archbishop of St Andrews, in January 1543.

She was charged with having refused to call upon the Virgin Mary in childbirth, and with having claimed that the Virgin had no special qualities which made her superior to other women. Helen’s husband, James Ranoldsone, or Rannelt, was condemned with her. They seem to have been a devoted couple, for Helen appealed, unsuccessfully, to be allowed to share her husband’s bonds and his death by hanging. The townspeople sought to save the accused, but to no avail, since the local priests refused to intercede for any found guilty of such crimes. Helen left several children, including her baby, to the care of the townspeople.

and if you really want to know more, google holy crusades massacre pictures, and look at the drawings and paintings that were made at the time to record the various forms of punishment. not enough to kiil and man or woman, but it had to inflict the most amount of pain and terror. Burning sticks shoved under toenails, feet tethered inches from burning fires, eyes gouged out, man suspended above sharp instruments that were slowly inserted .... never mind too gross to imagine, and they did the same with women hanging above sharp poles....just gruesome.
there were no true trials, people accused were killed. just look at the pictures if you have the stomach, and tell me a Godly church did these things.


Sorry, you say you aren't Protestant but continue
to post the same Protestant objections that have been answered a 100 times on the forum. And you paste from
Protestant websites.

Once again, you type "70 million murders", another
grand and but vague number. Who, what, where, when?

And another, Chick sounding cut and paste, can't believe any of it. There was a Protestant Inquisition so you are cancelled. For your one Protestant martyr, compared there are 10,000 Catholic martyrs. The Crusades
saved the most sacred places on earth, where Our Lord
lived and died...from the evil Islam intent to destroy them.

I am getting attached to you, you are dear. I don't like
reading you deny the Trinity. Makes you a non-Christian.
How can you reject God the Holy Spirit? You best join
the 7th Day Adventists, the Messianics disbelieve too but
preach Protestantism which is crazy.

Please,come along now, don't wait. God's grace in it's fullest can only be found in Catholicism.


blessings to you chrissie,
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You named one, belonging to a Protestant denomination in the "God" thread and then you said you are a Church of One. Fellowship and Bible discussion are your priority.

I am glad now you're saying you're looking. God is going to reveal to you the RCC you've decided to come against supporting the OP and his anti-Catholic thread. God personally is going show you the RCC is the true faith.
I am with God, I want you to become Catholic too.

Your one line I bolded, how many threads are you going to repeat it in? What are talking about, be specific. The Catholic Church murdered who and when? Names and dates. You haven't written one.

You didn't share history or dates on another Canon either.
Why, cause there isn't one. And fact, the Orthodox broke away from the RCC. St. Ignatius used the word Catholic in the year 107, is that early enough for you to believe?

You are being dishonest about Scriptural reference cause you have no comebacks. I gave you a half page of Scriptural reference to the Lord's Day, Sunday worship and a writing to explain it better than I can. Remember, reference to Jesus went to Church, He didn't stay home, He kept the Commandments. I gave you several verses on Confession. I'll look up Paul's words on the same.
 Quoting: chrissiel123


the catholic churfch DID bun people for Bible ownership, withheld forgiveness of sins until Bible were purged from home.

Not only did she forbid the reading of the Bible,
but she also forbid having posession of a Bible
in one's own home.

These were called the "Dark Ages" for obvious
reasons. The Apostate Church of Christendom was
at the peak of her power, and was afraid that if
her subjects owned and read Bibles, that they might
question some of the Church's actions and teachings.

"During the Dark Ages (A.D. 500-1500),
Rome burned Bibles along with their owners."
-The Baptist Pillar
CANADA'S ONLY TRUE BAPTIST PAPER
Published by Bible Baptist Church


This was a time, when not only was the Bible banned,
but literacy in general was prohibited and frowned
upon. Very few people during this time knew how to
read or write. Again, the Apostate Church was
determined that the less knowledge that people had,
the more easy it would be to rule them.

"Only ten percent of people
in the Roman Empire could read...
and those were generally in the wealthy
upper classes."
-River of God,
Gregory J. Riley, pp. 66



The Church admits this in her own Laws :


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should
not be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having
any translation of these books."
- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 AD
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Scolar Press, London, England
copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,
ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195


The Council of Tarragona of 1234,
in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old
and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses
them he must turn them over to the local bishop
within eight days, so that they may be burned..."
- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD;
2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch,
Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition
archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books,
which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read
or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed
that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist.
Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires
along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index
of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating
to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition
itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."
-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book
By Jude Webber
ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)


"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be
permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament;
...we most strictly forbid their having any translation
of these books."
- ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters,
Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980
by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195
--After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse
directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse
of Sacred Scripture on the part of the athari:
"prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti
laicis permittatur habere"
(Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).


ITEM #3 THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA - 1234 A.D.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon,
ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old and New
Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone
possesses them he must turn them over to the local
bishop within eight days after promulgation of
this decree, so that they may be burned...."
- D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

ITEM #6 THE BIBLE PROHIBITED BY
THE INDEX LIBRORUM PROHIBITORUM

Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled
and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent
(Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559.
This is an excerpt :

"Whoever reads or has such a translation in his
possession... cannot be absolved from his sins
until he has turned in these Bibles...Books in the
vernacular dealing with the controversies between
Catholics and the heretics of our time are not to be
generally permitted, but are to be handled in the
same way as Bible translations..."
- Rule IV & Rule VI
Die Indices Librorum Prohibitorum des sechzehnten
Jahrhunderts (Tübingen, 1886), page 246f.
Source: The Reformation, by Hans J. Hillerbrand,
copyright 1964 by SCM Press Ltd and Harper and Row,Inc.,
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 64-15480,
pages 474, 475.

History's Most Indestructable Book

Many dictators have attempted to wipe
the Bible from existence. Yet it has
withstood all these attacks, remaining
the most popular book in the world.
More copies of the Bible are sold every year
than any other book, despite its image as
being "out of date."


Christendom Becomes - An Enemy of the bible

Christendom - as a political power

Unfortunately, this ultimately led to
persecution again as the church quickly
became a powerful political force, used to
control public opinion and political ambitions.

The Bible continued to be attacked, now from
within the church. Bibles in common languages
such as Greek were outlawed. The Latin Vulgate
Bible was produced and carefully controlled,
readable only by specially trained representatives
of the church. Laws were issued making it illegal
for any Christian to possess a Bible. Penalties
included burning at the stake. During the Dark Ages
even priests were unable to read the Scriptures
for themselves. As a result, they were unable to
compare the false doctrines sweeping through the
Roman church against the doctrines of the
Word of God. In Italy, it was still illegal to
own a Bible until 1870!


I want you to become Catholic too.

maybe,
when the vatican rids herself of wealth, gold, idols, and places every penny from tithing into humanitarian issues, when they step forward and confess her sins to all the world and ask that we help her overcome her greed and corruption and maybe then I will consider. You may want me, but I am guided from that church by the spirit of God within me telling me to not go there, but to find Him where He is.
You forget that Jesus is alive, and thus no one can sit on His throne but Him. and He sits on it now, and none of you can see Him around your human pope.
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"Maybe" is a crock. I searched a phrase from above and
a page full of anti-Catholic websites came up. It would
of saved space if you had posted a link to Jack Chick.

Ever time I have given you Scriptural proof for
Church teaching, you have ignored it. The latest from
James, no response. The general no content comment. The
Church is evil, there's gold in the Vatican. And you
never were specific about your accusation of murder.

No one is sitting on the throne with Christ but the other two person's of the Blessed Trinity. Everything you know of Christ came from the Church except the man-made heresies of Protestantism. Trinity isn't written Scripture but you accept the RCC word for the three divine persons. That is just one example, what hypocrites anti-Catholics. Mock the Pope, God has always chosen leaders so there would be an authority, Protestants are their own authority, disagreeingamong themselves then splintering to this day. wakeup
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no i don't accept the holy trinity. There is God and His SON Jesus. why do you presume to tell me what i accept or dont accept.
and again I am not a protestant.
and the catholic church admitted that Bibles were a banned book
and the throne I am referring to is the one the pope sits upon - as leader of the true church, that is Jesus' throne.

and as far as some of my information coming from what you term as anti-catholic websites, i cannot help it if it appears so to you. a church responsible for over 70 million murders cannot be truthfully shown in a favorable light. but i will try to find some more pro- catholic murder references for you.......


"And so was inflicted on the south of France one of the ferocious massacres in history. Bands of northern brigands pillaged and plundered. In the Cathedral of Saint-Nazaire, twelve thousand 'heretics' were killed ... Those who tried to flee were cut down and butchered. Thousands more were burned at the stake. At Toulouse, Bishop Foulque put to death ten thousand people accused of heresy. At Beziers the entire population of more than twenty thousand was slaughtered. At Citeau, when asked how to distinguish Catholics from Catherists, the abbe replied with his famed cynicism: 'Kill them all; God will know his own'." [Thompkins, P. 58]


"In the Inquisition, pain inflicted on sexual organs was very prevalent, another clear sign of the sexual obsession brought on by the perversions of celibacy"

As you will discover when you read "The Malleus Maleficarium", women were specially targeted for persecution as potential, or suspected, witches. If a woman was merely thrown off a high place, as we see here, she could count herself fortunate to die a quick and relatively painless death. As we shall demonstrate, a demonic spirit of sexual obsession and deviant lust blew through this entire Inquisition after the introduction of "The Malleus Maleficarium"; Pope Innocent III issued the Papal Bull on December 5, 1484, that established this document as the standard by which the Inquisition was to be conducted


Stark, Helen (?–1543)
Protestant martyr. One of the earliest Scottish Protestant martyrs, Helen Stark, or Stirke, was executed by drowning in Perth. She was among a number of heretics condemned there at the visitation of Cardinal David Beaton, Archbishop of St Andrews, in January 1543.

She was charged with having refused to call upon the Virgin Mary in childbirth, and with having claimed that the Virgin had no special qualities which made her superior to other women. Helen’s husband, James Ranoldsone, or Rannelt, was condemned with her. They seem to have been a devoted couple, for Helen appealed, unsuccessfully, to be allowed to share her husband’s bonds and his death by hanging. The townspeople sought to save the accused, but to no avail, since the local priests refused to intercede for any found guilty of such crimes. Helen left several children, including her baby, to the care of the townspeople.

and if you really want to know more, google holy crusades massacre pictures, and look at the drawings and paintings that were made at the time to record the various forms of punishment. not enough to kiil and man or woman, but it had to inflict the most amount of pain and terror. Burning sticks shoved under toenails, feet tethered inches from burning fires, eyes gouged out, man suspended above sharp instruments that were slowly inserted .... never mind too gross to imagine, and they did the same with women hanging above sharp poles....just gruesome.
there were no true trials, people accused were killed. just look at the pictures if you have the stomach, and tell me a Godly church did these things.
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Sorry, you say you aren't Protestant but continue
to post the same Protestant objections that have been answered a 100 times on the forum. And you paste from
Protestant websites.

Once again, you type "70 million murders", another
grand and but vague number. Who, what, where, when?

And another, Chick sounding cut and paste, can't believe any of it. There was a Protestant Inquisition so you are cancelled. For your one Protestant martyr, compared there are 10,000 Catholic martyrs. The Crusades
saved the most sacred places on earth, where Our Lord
lived and died...from the evil Islam intent to destroy them.

I am getting attached to you, you are dear. I don't like
reading you deny the Trinity. Makes you a non-Christian.
How can you reject God the Holy Spirit? You best join
the 7th Day Adventists, the Messianics disbelieve too but
preach Protestantism which is crazy.

Please,come along now, don't wait. God's grace in it's fullest can only be found in Catholicism.


blessings to you chrissie,



As for the 70 million deaths, I am not going into anymore detail, only because it is too easy for you or anyone else interested to google information from various sources. Anything I put here is going to be snubbed by you as being a less than credible source anyway.

ANd if I quote protestant arguements, it is because they are valid, not because they are protestant. Catholics say the sky is blue, does repeating that make me a catholic?
And i do not "believe" in the trinity, because there is God and Jesus. The holy ghost is not God or Jesus, and nothing in the Bible that I have found to date has shown that the Holy Ghost is a being like God or Jesus. catholics say there is a trinity of God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit that are three, yet one being.
I am sorry for not believing this, But I do not believe that Jesus and God are one being, and I do not believe the holy spirit is a being. It is portrayed as Godly intuition, a feeling of godlyniess, as in the Holy spirit filled her, or the holy spirit moved me, but come on - the holy spirit did not create the universe. That would be like saying there are two of you: the one that is you, and the impact you have on people to inspire them or affect them. It doesnt make sense. Why can't there be one God and one Jesus.
Jesus's sacrifice can only be a sacrifice because He was human, and NOT God. It is no sacrifice at all for a God to pretend to die.
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OP.. you are a brain washed fuck tard.. ALL organized religion is wrong.. being told how and who to worship.. you are nothing more then a brain washed bible thumper..
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Sorry Mark,

You gotta have an open heart to change. You think
agreement, not really, most of Christianity is Roman
Catholic. Most all Christians believe in God's gift
of Himself in the Holy Eucharist.

The "continual sacrifice" in Daniel is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The Remnant is Roman Catholic, watch and see...you'll be one
of them, I hope and pray.
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OP.. you are a brain washed fuck tard.. ALL organized religion is wrong.. being told how and who to worship.. you are nothing more then a brain washed bible thumper..
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Sorry Mark,

You gotta have an open heart to change. You think
agreement, not really, most of Christianity is Roman
Catholic. Most all Christians believe in God's gift
of Himself in the Holy Eucharist.

The "continual sacrifice" in Daniel is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The Remnant is Roman Catholic, watch and see...you'll be one
of them, I hope and pray.
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Most of Christianity is lost! If they will not come out of the churches and learn the true Gospel of Jesus Christ they will not be saved. Friendship with the world is enmity with God! Look it up. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, look it up! Be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect! Look it up! Keep the Sabbath holy, look it up! If you are attending a church that is teaching these fundamental truths, please let me know, because I have never heard of one. You do not find Jesus in a church! Come away from them, they are all going to filled with counterfeit miracles and the strange fire!
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Sorry Mark,

You gotta have an open heart to change. You think
agreement, not really, most of Christianity is Roman
Catholic. Most all Christians believe in God's gift
of Himself in the Holy Eucharist.

The "continual sacrifice" in Daniel is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The Remnant is Roman Catholic, watch and see...you'll be one
of them, I hope and pray.
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actually it is orthodox as far as I can tell. catholics did to the orthodox what protestants did to catholicism.
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witchcraft has nothing to do with satan and is not evil. ye've been misinformed. about many things.
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Everything that is evil is satanic. you are misinformed about many things.

Look up the testimony of Svali, she witnessed child sacrifice in the catacombs beneath the Vatican.

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