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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1432206 Australia 06/17/2011 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up). Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out. I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do. What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves. Everything matters in nature. If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere. ~Respectfully~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1333673 United States 06/17/2011 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out. I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do. What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves. Everything matters in nature. If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere. ~Respectfully~ |
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option8 User ID: 1432844 Australia 06/17/2011 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206i may not have conclusive proof one way or the other for man made global warming but ill bet good $$$ that the politicising and market control of co2 emissions is as much about stopping enemies in the middle east getting far too rich and powerful and dangerous, by market driven behavior modification, as it is about extorting wealth and control over a people. is this^^^^^^ the longest sentence ever???? nice find bhd. "People were allways getting ready for tomorrow.I didnt believe in that. Tomorrow wasnt getting ready for them. It didnt even know they were there." Cormac Mccarthy |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1381629 Australia 06/18/2011 04:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Gore started his cruisade, it got my heckles up, as I just could not see why a poli' would do this without some hidden agenda, especially with so much money behind him, and the massive money it would eventually cost industry and those with so much ($$) to lose. I think we also forget about that massive hot thing up in the sky, that when it belches or hick ups, causes so much chaos here. These things take time to flatten out and equalise. For me, it will always be about cycles (and vibes) and riding them out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1434134 Australia 06/19/2011 12:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe they have agendas. I can't know. I do know I am directly accountable for my own actions. And regardless of their agendas, or not, it is my own actions I try to become more aware of, and improve, according to the integrity of my own soul, or not. ;) There will always be taxes in a world driven by economy for as long as there are politicians. I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about. If there is an agenda to take power away from the oil mongers in the east, then so be it. If it's good for earth, then does that make it a bad thing? I thinks it's a beautiful thing that people started using green bags, became more aware in their buying choices, etc, etc, etc. And I do believe it does make a difference. Maybe, when volcanoes erupt, waters around those volcanoes heat up creating algal blooms which ultimately act as carbon sinks. I don't know. And I don't think the experts do either. I do trust those bigger patterns/cycles/vibes though. Even though I can't know why. ;) ~Namaste~ |
option8 User ID: 1432844 Australia 06/19/2011 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe they have agendas. I can't know. I do know I am directly accountable for my own actions. And regardless of their agendas, or not, it is my own actions I try to become more aware of, and improve, according to the integrity of my own soul, or not. ;) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1434134There will always be taxes in a world driven by economy for as long as there are politicians. I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about. If there is an agenda to take power away from the oil mongers in the east, then so be it. If it's good for earth, then does that make it a bad thing? I thinks it's a beautiful thing that people started using green bags, became more aware in their buying choices, etc, etc, etc. And I do believe it does make a difference. Maybe, when volcanoes erupt, waters around those volcanoes heat up creating algal blooms which ultimately act as carbon sinks. I don't know. And I don't think the experts do either. I do trust those bigger patterns/cycles/vibes though. Even though I can't know why. ;) ~Namaste~ great perspective. thank you. "People were allways getting ready for tomorrow.I didnt believe in that. Tomorrow wasnt getting ready for them. It didnt even know they were there." Cormac Mccarthy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413969 Australia 06/19/2011 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206It doesn't lock up anything idiot lol you have little understanding of the basic concepts of science. They are not "molecules" they are "atoms". See what happens when you let uneducated green tards have an opinion? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413969 Australia 06/19/2011 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206But if people do not have enough money, they wont be able to afford to "breathe". Have you considered this fact you ignorant fool? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413969 Australia 06/19/2011 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206i may not have conclusive proof one way or the other for man made global warming but That's right, there is no conclusive proof one way or another. Therefore allowing a corrupt politician to introduce an existence tax based on there being no conclusive proof be criminal. |
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Ocean Power User ID: 552150 United States 06/19/2011 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206But if people do not have enough money, they wont be able to afford to "breathe". Have you considered this fact you ignorant fool? [link to www.wired.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1434187 Australia 06/19/2011 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206See what happens when you let uneducated green tards have an opinion? Investments in the oil industry? Sell them while you can. The future is green. Like it or not. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1381629 Australia 06/19/2011 05:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe they have agendas. I can't know. I do know I am directly accountable for my own actions. And regardless of their agendas, or not, it is my own actions I try to become more aware of, and improve, according to the integrity of my own soul, or not. ;) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1434134There will always be taxes in a world driven by economy for as long as there are politicians. I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about. If there is an agenda to take power away from the oil mongers in the east, then so be it. If it's good for earth, then does that make it a bad thing? I thinks it's a beautiful thing that people started using green bags, became more aware in their buying choices, etc, etc, etc. And I do believe it does make a difference. Maybe, when volcanoes erupt, waters around those volcanoes heat up creating algal blooms which ultimately act as carbon sinks. I don't know. And I don't think the experts do either. I do trust those bigger patterns/cycles/vibes though. Even though I can't know why. ;) ~Namaste~ great perspective. thank you. Yeah, I second that. Nicely put AC1434134. Still doesnt change my mind on this tax, but nice perspectives. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068718 Netherlands 06/19/2011 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Al Gore did not start climate change theory. The Kyoto protocol was done before Al Gore. I hope somehow, someday we will not use fossil fuel for fuel anymore. My UFO needs way more power then what oil can give me. Oil is old and used in mechanical 100+ your old techniques. It belongs to an extinct civilization if they do not change. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413969 Australia 06/19/2011 06:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206See what happens when you let uneducated green tards have an opinion? Investments in the oil industry? Sell them while you can. The future is green. Like it or not. I don't have any idiot, that's all you've got to support your global mentally insane communism. Yet the Oil companies own more than 50% of all supposed clean energy manufacturing from the raw material level. So you fake green tards are actually working for the Oil companies. The future is not and never will be this fake green you have tried before and failed, you will fail again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413969 Australia 06/19/2011 06:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But if people do not have enough money, they wont be able to afford to "breathe". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1434179Have you considered this fact you ignorant fool? Solar Power. Queensland just announced it. :)) Yes $750 million dollars of peoples money stolen from them and given almost directly to Shell and BP. Plus all the other fingers in the pie down the line. Shit what its probably doing to work out to around $1.50 a Kwh Mighty expensive useless power polluting just as much as anything else just to make it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1362808 United States 06/19/2011 06:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out. I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do. What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves. Everything matters in nature. If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere. ~Respectfully~ Finally someone on GLP that actually has a reasonable thought process. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413969 Australia 06/19/2011 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Al Gore did not start climate change theory. The Kyoto protocol was done before Al Gore. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068718I hope somehow, someday we will not use fossil fuel for fuel anymore. My UFO needs way more power then what oil can give me. Oil is old and used in mechanical 100+ your old techniques. It belongs to an extinct civilization if they do not change. This is who started it, Rothschild the biggest oil baron ever to exist. 20 years ago they were planning it, listen to them talk about how they need to take peoples money and implement the "martial plan". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413969 Australia 06/19/2011 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out. I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do. What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves. Everything matters in nature. If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere. ~Respectfully~ Finally someone on GLP that actually has a reasonable thought process. Communist manifesto reader much? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1381629 Australia 06/19/2011 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, I am all for reducing emmissions, dont get me wrong. Its the tax on a bogus (by my reasoning) reason that I find offensive. Those Rothchild vids are interesting, and creepy. To think how so many of today's issues were planned and caused by people like them makes me sick. Same goes for medicine, wars, you name it. All just moves in a game. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068718 Netherlands 06/19/2011 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Al Gore did not start climate change theory. The Kyoto protocol was done before Al Gore. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068718I hope somehow, someday we will not use fossil fuel for fuel anymore. My UFO needs way more power then what oil can give me. Oil is old and used in mechanical 100+ your old techniques. It belongs to an extinct civilization if they do not change. This is who started it, Rothschild the biggest oil baron ever to exist. 20 years ago they were planning it, listen to them talk about how they need to take peoples money and implement the "martial plan". I like Maurice Strong. I like people who want to protect earth. If they want to rip of industry who is polluting, let them rip them off. Not my problem. I applaud it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1435057 Australia 06/19/2011 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1434134What about the people who cant AFFORD to pay such a thing? Should they just die? You demented freak! Then don't use so much of it. You won't die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1435070 United States 06/19/2011 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432206Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out. I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do. What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves. Everything matters in nature. If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere. ~Respectfully~ Ugh, I'm glad someone else already pointed out how you were referring to atoms when you were saying molecules. Anyway, nature is not naturally "balanced." CO2 has, for a very long time, slowly been sequestered into fossil fuels and limestone (mostly limestone). Nature does not have an efficient way of releasing the CO2 that is trapped in these substances and so the planet was slowly being asphyxiated by the lack of CO2. C4 plants evolved to try and cope with these low levels of CO2, but the natural processes of carbon sequestration would've eventually won out and killed all life on the planet - luckily for the planet we came along and released some of the CO2. To get into a little more detail, plants open up their pores to absorb CO2, which is converted into sugar via the energy from sunlight (i.e. photosynthesis). Since the CO2 levels have been getting lower and lower they've been having to open more and more pores - this increases the rate at which water vapor transpires away from planets (i.e. "sweat"). Thus, low levels of CO2 makes plants very vulnerable to drought. The increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have helped in this regard, greatly greening the planet and increasing crop yields. If you want to think that "nature" has some sort of magical means of balancing itself (despite the many times before man where it fucked itself over), then try to think of humans as nature's way of restoring the atmosphere to its proper levels of CO2. After all, we are a part of nature and are helping the planet tremendously by releasing some of that trapped CO2. |
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