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"The volcanic eruption in Iceland, (and now Chili), since its first spewing of volcanic ash, has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet – all of you.

Of course you know about this 'evil carbon dioxide' that we are trying to suppress – it’s that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen - for us humans, and all animal life.

It's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience, and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs ....

.... well, all of those things you have done, have all gone down the tubes - in just four days.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by those volcanos in Iceland (and Chili), have totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the 'evil beast', carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY..

I don't really want to rain on anyone's parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year – think about it.

Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycles, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is, that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate ALL efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus “human-caused” climate change scenario.

Isn’t it interesting how they don’t mention “Global Warming” any more, but just “Climate Change” - you know why? It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.

And just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme – that whopping new tax – imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won’t stop any volcanoes from erupting, that’s for sure.

But hey, relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!

PS: I wonder if Iceland and Chili are buying carbon offsets?"

[from the book by Professor Ian Plimer]

Australia, like many countries is seriously looking at a carbon tax... this is a great argument against it, and shows what it truley is - revenue raising, and money changing. That's all.
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06/17/2011 11:33 AM
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It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up).

Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out.

I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do.

What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves.

Everything matters in nature.

If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere.

~Respectfully~
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06/17/2011 11:38 AM
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It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up).

Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out.

I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do.

What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves.

Everything matters in nature.

If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere.

~Respectfully~
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Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money.
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Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money.
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i may not have conclusive proof one way or the other for man made global warming but ill bet good $$$ that the politicising and market control of co2 emissions is as much about stopping enemies in the middle east getting far too rich and powerful and dangerous, by market driven behavior modification, as it is about extorting wealth and control over a people.

is this^^^^^^ the longest sentence ever????

nice find bhd.
"People were allways getting ready for tomorrow.I didnt believe in that. Tomorrow wasnt getting ready for them. It didnt even know they were there." Cormac Mccarthy
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Thanks for the replys. Always willing to look at oposing or alternate views.

When Gore started his cruisade, it got my heckles up, as I just could not see why a poli' would do this without some hidden agenda, especially with so much money behind him, and the massive money it would eventually cost industry and those with so much ($$) to lose.

I think we also forget about that massive hot thing up in the sky, that when it belches or hick ups, causes so much chaos here. These things take time to flatten out and equalise.

For me, it will always be about cycles (and vibes) and riding them out.
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06/19/2011 12:35 AM
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Maybe they have agendas. I can't know. I do know I am directly accountable for my own actions. And regardless of their agendas, or not, it is my own actions I try to become more aware of, and improve, according to the integrity of my own soul, or not. ;)

There will always be taxes in a world driven by economy for as long as there are politicians. I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about. If there is an agenda to take power away from the oil mongers in the east, then so be it. If it's good for earth, then does that make it a bad thing?

I thinks it's a beautiful thing that people started using green bags, became more aware in their buying choices, etc, etc, etc.

And I do believe it does make a difference.

Maybe, when volcanoes erupt, waters around those volcanoes heat up creating algal blooms which ultimately act as carbon sinks. I don't know. And I don't think the experts do either.

I do trust those bigger patterns/cycles/vibes though. Even though I can't know why. ;)

~Namaste~
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Maybe they have agendas. I can't know. I do know I am directly accountable for my own actions. And regardless of their agendas, or not, it is my own actions I try to become more aware of, and improve, according to the integrity of my own soul, or not. ;)

There will always be taxes in a world driven by economy for as long as there are politicians. I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about. If there is an agenda to take power away from the oil mongers in the east, then so be it. If it's good for earth, then does that make it a bad thing?

I thinks it's a beautiful thing that people started using green bags, became more aware in their buying choices, etc, etc, etc.

And I do believe it does make a difference.

Maybe, when volcanoes erupt, waters around those volcanoes heat up creating algal blooms which ultimately act as carbon sinks. I don't know. And I don't think the experts do either.

I do trust those bigger patterns/cycles/vibes though. Even though I can't know why. ;)

~Namaste~
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great perspective. thank you.
"People were allways getting ready for tomorrow.I didnt believe in that. Tomorrow wasnt getting ready for them. It didnt even know they were there." Cormac Mccarthy
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06/19/2011 12:56 AM
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CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules
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It doesn't lock up anything idiot lol you have little understanding of the basic concepts of science.
They are not "molecules" they are "atoms".
See what happens when you let uneducated green tards have an opinion?
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I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about.
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What about the people who cant AFFORD to pay such a thing?
Should they just die? You demented freak!
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06/19/2011 12:58 AM
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Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money.
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But if people do not have enough money, they wont be able to afford to "breathe".
Have you considered this fact you ignorant fool?
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06/19/2011 12:59 AM
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Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money.
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i may not have conclusive proof one way or the other for man made global warming but
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That's right, there is no conclusive proof one way or another.
Therefore allowing a corrupt politician to introduce an existence tax based on there being no conclusive proof be criminal.
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06/19/2011 01:01 AM
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See what happens when you let uneducated green tards have an opinion?
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lmao
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Politics aside, carbon tax is one tax I will be happy to pay. Because at the end of the day we can't 'breathe' money.
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But if people do not have enough money, they wont be able to afford to "breathe".
Have you considered this fact you ignorant fool?
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[link to www.wired.com]
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06/19/2011 01:25 AM
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But if people do not have enough money, they wont be able to afford to "breathe".
Have you considered this fact you ignorant fool?


Solar Power. Queensland just announced it. :))
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06/19/2011 01:40 AM
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CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules
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See what happens when you let uneducated green tards have an opinion?
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Investments in the oil industry? Sell them while you can. The future is green. Like it or not.
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Maybe they have agendas. I can't know. I do know I am directly accountable for my own actions. And regardless of their agendas, or not, it is my own actions I try to become more aware of, and improve, according to the integrity of my own soul, or not. ;)

There will always be taxes in a world driven by economy for as long as there are politicians. I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about. If there is an agenda to take power away from the oil mongers in the east, then so be it. If it's good for earth, then does that make it a bad thing?

I thinks it's a beautiful thing that people started using green bags, became more aware in their buying choices, etc, etc, etc.

And I do believe it does make a difference.

Maybe, when volcanoes erupt, waters around those volcanoes heat up creating algal blooms which ultimately act as carbon sinks. I don't know. And I don't think the experts do either.

I do trust those bigger patterns/cycles/vibes though. Even though I can't know why. ;)

~Namaste~
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great perspective. thank you.
 Quoting: option8


Yeah, I second that. Nicely put AC1434134.

Still doesnt change my mind on this tax, but nice perspectives.
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Appreciate all perspectives, but can we keep it civil? No need to cuss peeps about their views.
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Al Gore did not start climate change theory. The Kyoto protocol was done before Al Gore.
I hope somehow, someday we will not use fossil fuel for fuel anymore. My UFO needs way more power then what oil can give me. Oil is old and used in mechanical 100+ your old techniques. It belongs to an extinct civilization if they do not change.
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CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules
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See what happens when you let uneducated green tards have an opinion?
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Investments in the oil industry? Sell them while you can. The future is green. Like it or not.
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I don't have any idiot, that's all you've got to support your global mentally insane communism.
Yet the Oil companies own more than 50% of all supposed clean energy manufacturing from the raw material level.
So you fake green tards are actually working for the Oil companies.
The future is not and never will be this fake green you have tried before and failed, you will fail again.
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06/19/2011 06:13 AM
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But if people do not have enough money, they wont be able to afford to "breathe".
Have you considered this fact you ignorant fool?


Solar Power. Queensland just announced it. :))
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Yes $750 million dollars of peoples money stolen from them and given almost directly to Shell and BP.
Plus all the other fingers in the pie down the line.
Shit what its probably doing to work out to around $1.50 a Kwh lmao
Mighty expensive useless power polluting just as much as anything else just to make it.
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It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up).

Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out.

I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do.

What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves.

Everything matters in nature.

If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere.

~Respectfully~
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Finally someone on GLP that actually has a reasonable thought process.
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Al Gore did not start climate change theory. The Kyoto protocol was done before Al Gore.
I hope somehow, someday we will not use fossil fuel for fuel anymore. My UFO needs way more power then what oil can give me. Oil is old and used in mechanical 100+ your old techniques. It belongs to an extinct civilization if they do not change.
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This is who started it, Rothschild the biggest oil baron ever to exist.
20 years ago they were planning it, listen to them talk about how they need to take peoples money and implement the "martial plan".




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It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up).

Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out.

I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do.

What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves.

Everything matters in nature.

If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere.

~Respectfully~
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Finally someone on GLP that actually has a reasonable thought process.
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Communist manifesto reader much?
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forunatley the co2 scam is coming apart albeit slowy. politicians will soon back off once guillard commits political suicide.
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06/19/2011 07:32 AM
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Yeah, agree with that.

Hey, I am all for reducing emmissions, dont get me wrong. Its the tax on a bogus (by my reasoning) reason that I find offensive.

Those Rothchild vids are interesting, and creepy. To think how so many of today's issues were planned and caused by people like them makes me sick.

Same goes for medicine, wars, you name it. All just moves in a game.
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Al Gore did not start climate change theory. The Kyoto protocol was done before Al Gore.
I hope somehow, someday we will not use fossil fuel for fuel anymore. My UFO needs way more power then what oil can give me. Oil is old and used in mechanical 100+ your old techniques. It belongs to an extinct civilization if they do not change.
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This is who started it, Rothschild the biggest oil baron ever to exist.
20 years ago they were planning it, listen to them talk about how they need to take peoples money and implement the "martial plan".
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I like Maurice Strong. I like people who want to protect earth. If they want to rip of industry who is polluting, let them rip them off. Not my problem. I applaud it.
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I would rather pay a carbon tax than some other tax I don't give a hoot about.
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What about the people who cant AFFORD to pay such a thing?
Should they just die? You demented freak!
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Then don't use so much of it. You won't die.
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It's not that simple. There are 'carbon sources', when carbon is released into the atmosphere, (ie burnt to create CO2 = 1 carbon molecule locking up two oxygen molecules). And there are 'carbon sinks', when carbon is locked up again (ie the growth of a tree = the two oxygen molecules released back up into the atmosphere as the carbon molecule is locked up).

Bushfires do create CO2. But then there are massive flares of growth after the bushfires. (Lots of new plants shooting up, etc.) In the end it all tends to balance out.

I don't know much about volcanic eruptions. But I wouldn't be surprised if they performed some sort of greater balancing act too. It's what nature tends to do.

What we do as humans, however, does not tend to balance out. And what we do to the web, we really do 'do' to ourselves.

Everything matters in nature.

If you really want to look into something scarey, then try looking into the oxygen content of the atmosphere.

~Respectfully~
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Ugh, I'm glad someone else already pointed out how you were referring to atoms when you were saying molecules.

Anyway, nature is not naturally "balanced." CO2 has, for a very long time, slowly been sequestered into fossil fuels and limestone (mostly limestone).

Nature does not have an efficient way of releasing the CO2 that is trapped in these substances and so the planet was slowly being asphyxiated by the lack of CO2. C4 plants evolved to try and cope with these low levels of CO2, but the natural processes of carbon sequestration would've eventually won out and killed all life on the planet - luckily for the planet we came along and released some of the CO2.

To get into a little more detail, plants open up their pores to absorb CO2, which is converted into sugar via the energy from sunlight (i.e. photosynthesis). Since the CO2 levels have been getting lower and lower they've been having to open more and more pores - this increases the rate at which water vapor transpires away from planets (i.e. "sweat").

Thus, low levels of CO2 makes plants very vulnerable to drought. The increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have helped in this regard, greatly greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

If you want to think that "nature" has some sort of magical means of balancing itself (despite the many times before man where it fucked itself over), then try to think of humans as nature's way of restoring the atmosphere to its proper levels of CO2. After all, we are a part of nature and are helping the planet tremendously by releasing some of that trapped CO2.
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Molecules/atoms? Seems insignificant in the scheme of things?! Oxygen does seem to be on the decline due to CO2. Fast.

I'd post a link. But I seem to be having difficulty with that. A lot came up in my search though. Try it peoples.





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