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Time, in Buddhism, is defined as a measurement of change. For example, a month is the measurement of change involved either externally in the moon circling the earth or internally in a woman going from one menstruation to the next. Such changes are cyclical in that the pattern repeats, although the events of each cycle are not completely identical. Externally, the universe passes through cosmic, astronomical, astrological and historical cycles.
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Thanks. Glad the buddhists figured all of that out. Now I know.
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ahh cycles and "TIME"

Light effects on circadian rhythm

Light effects on circadian rhythm
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Numerous organisms maintain inherent individual daily rhythms to biological processes, known as circadian rhythms, that assist the organism in maintaining functional periodicity relative to the 24-hour day/night cycle of the earth. These rhythms are maintained by the individual organisms, but due to variable individuality and environmental pressures, must continually or repeatedly be reset to synch with the natural environmental cycle.[1] In order for this to be accomplished, external factors must play some role in the synchronization, or entrainment, of the internal circadian rhythm with the external environment. Of the various factors that influence this entrainment, light exposure to the eyes is the strongest effecter.[2][3][4]
Contents

1 Demonstrated effects
2 Internal regulators
3 Other factors
4 See also
5 References

[edit] Demonstrated effects

All of the mechanisms of light-effected entrainment are not yet fully known, however numerous studies have demonstrated the effectiveness of light entrainment to the day/night cycle. Studies have shown that:

The timing of exposure to light influences entrainment; as seen on the phase response curve for light for a given species.
In diurnal species, exposure to bright light after wakening advances the circadian rhythm, whereas exposure before sleeping delays the rhythm.[4][5]
The length of exposure influences entrainment.
Longer exposures have a greater effect than shorter exposures.[5]
Consistent exposure has a greater effect than intermittent exposure.[2]
In rats, constant exposure eventually disrupts the cycle to the point that functions like memory and stress coping may be impaired.[6]
Intensity and wavelength of light influence entrainment.
Brighter light is more effective than dim light.[5]
Dim light can effect entrainment relative to darkness.[7]
In humans, low intensity short wavelength (blue/violet) light may be equally effective as high intensity white light.[4]

[edit] Internal regulators

Light's effect on the circadian rhythms of all or most animals has been well documented. However, since circadian rhythms are internal functions, the influence of external factors like light and an individual's sensitivity to them can to some degree be regulated by internal mechanisms.

In zebrafish, evidence of a negative regulation of light-dependent gene transcription has been found. In one study, overabundance of the enzyme catalase reduced the transcription of genes that were dependent on light, whereas inhibition of the enzyme resulted in increased transcription.[3]
Another study found that a deficit of the oligopeptide angiotensin in the brain of laboratory rats resulted in delayed adjustment to changes in the day/night pattern.[8]
Similarly, deficits of TrkB tyrosine kinase in mice, a receptor for brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), result in a decrease of the ability to entrain to shifts in the day–night cycle.[9]

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yeah, but SOMEONE still has to cook dinner and change the sheets and see to the toilet paper roll.
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yeah, but SOMEONE still has to cook dinner and change the sheets and see to the toilet paper roll.
I call thread fail.
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Thread fail...lmao. Looking through different perceptions is important in understanding how other people view life and the universe.

Go back to your cooking, and don't forget to clean the dishes. I can see how concepts of time are so relevant to changing the sheets and checking the toilet paper roll. Troll...
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ahh cycles and "TIME"

Light effects on circadian rhythm

Light effects on circadian rhythm
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Circadian oscillator
Scotobiology
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Excellent...thank you AC!
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ahh cycles and "TIME"

Light effects on circadian rhythm

Light effects on circadian rhythm
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Numerous organisms maintain inherent individual daily rhythms to biological processes, known as circadian rhythms, that assist the organism in maintaining functional periodicity relative to the 24-hour day/night cycle of the earth. These rhythms are maintained by the individual organisms, but due to variable individuality and environmental pressures, must continually or repeatedly be reset to synch with the natural environmental cycle.[1] In order for this to be accomplished, external factors must play some role in the synchronization, or entrainment, of the internal circadian rhythm with the external environment. Of the various factors that influence this entrainment, light exposure to the eyes is the strongest effecter.[2][3][4]
Contents

1 Demonstrated effects
2 Internal regulators
3 Other factors
4 See also
5 References

[edit] Demonstrated effects

All of the mechanisms of light-effected entrainment are not yet fully known, however numerous studies have demonstrated the effectiveness of light entrainment to the day/night cycle. Studies have shown that:

The timing of exposure to light influences entrainment; as seen on the phase response curve for light for a given species.
In diurnal species, exposure to bright light after wakening advances the circadian rhythm, whereas exposure before sleeping delays the rhythm.[4][5]
The length of exposure influences entrainment.
Longer exposures have a greater effect than shorter exposures.[5]
Consistent exposure has a greater effect than intermittent exposure.[2]
In rats, constant exposure eventually disrupts the cycle to the point that functions like memory and stress coping may be impaired.[6]
Intensity and wavelength of light influence entrainment.
Brighter light is more effective than dim light.[5]
Dim light can effect entrainment relative to darkness.[7]
In humans, low intensity short wavelength (blue/violet) light may be equally effective as high intensity white light.[4]

[edit] Internal regulators

Light's effect on the circadian rhythms of all or most animals has been well documented. However, since circadian rhythms are internal functions, the influence of external factors like light and an individual's sensitivity to them can to some degree be regulated by internal mechanisms.

In zebrafish, evidence of a negative regulation of light-dependent gene transcription has been found. In one study, overabundance of the enzyme catalase reduced the transcription of genes that were dependent on light, whereas inhibition of the enzyme resulted in increased transcription.[3]
Another study found that a deficit of the oligopeptide angiotensin in the brain of laboratory rats resulted in delayed adjustment to changes in the day/night pattern.[8]
Similarly, deficits of TrkB tyrosine kinase in mice, a receptor for brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), result in a decrease of the ability to entrain to shifts in the day–night cycle.[9]

Internal conditions may thus sway the effectiveness of entrainment to light. All mechanisms behind the process are not yet fully understood.
[edit] Other factors

Although many researchers consider light to be the strongest cue for entrainment, it is by no means the only factor acting on circadian rhythms. Other factors may enhance or decrease the effectiveness of entrainment. For instance, physical activity like exercise when coupled with light exposure results in a somewhat stronger entrainment response.[2] Other factors such as music and administration of the neurohormone melatonin have shown similar effects.[10][11] Numerous other factors affect entrainment as well. These include feeding schedules, temperature, pharmacology, locomotor stimuli, social interaction, sexual stimuli and stress.[12]
[edit] See also

Circadian oscillator
Scotobiology
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The pineal gland (also called the pineal body, epiphysis cerebri, epiphysis or the "third eye") is a small endocrine gland in the vertebrate brain. It produces the serotonin derivative melatonin, a hormone that affects the modulation of wake/sleep patterns and seasonal functions.[1][2]

I remember studying this aspects in relation to humanistic issues, the teacher would throw us reading material like e.g. circadian rhythm and philosophy, the similarities of stories like cinderella throughout the time and civilizations and the problem of language...it seemed like he was and initiate and it was up to the students to make the connections as that is always the case...
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When we discover Truth, we find that Truth never changes, We find it in ourselves, thus we become Eternal. Idol1
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It takes one hour and a half to make a real good apple pie. Same amount of time to do two loads of laundry. Take your pick you can't have both; I vote for the pie.
Dream on dreamers. There are things to do.
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Just as a thought that relates to light and its effect on Circadian rhythm, the Aether model of the universe describes light as 'angular momentum'. This is something that I will try and make a connection with.

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the background to his seeing/thinking is that as all is manifested and sustained via input from aether...the rotating magnetic field....what effects we make and observer are signals moving from point to point within the aether field within the micro up scale....nothing moves in the traditional sense....this is the origin of all all frozen light.....
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If instead of thinking of anything as been seperate, You instead focus Your mind on the universe beinga solid, then try and comprehend that every finite point in that solid can become anything as it re-orientates subject to the magnetic field it is subjected to.

Then You can view the tornado differently as a direct result of the magnetic loops re-orientating the smallest particles to switch in the magnetic fields orientation.

The more complex and much more compressed particles and larger resist more the switching but are still trying to switch in the magnetic fields direction.

Thus the articles that are so called "PICKED UP" by the tornado are in fact trying to become the tornado and are not seperate - as is nothing - all is ONE.

This is difficult to verbalise as it is not part of our normal thinking. We view all as seperate, but if I was stood near You, and you moved aside and I moved to where You had just been, then I would be composed in the same stuff that You had been.

I would not be moving though, I would switch every finite particle as I encountered it, thus all movement is switching limited, including light and all signals.

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It takes one hour and a half to make a real good apple pie. Same amount of time to do two loads of laundry. Take your pick you can't have both; I vote for the pie.
Dream on dreamers. There are things to do.
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Then go do them.
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It takes one hour and a half to make a real good apple pie. Same amount of time to do two loads of laundry. Take your pick you can't have both; I vote for the pie.
Dream on dreamers. There are things to do.
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All things happen first in the land of dreams, then they come into fruition in the crude physical form.
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When we discover Truth, we find that Truth never changes, We find it in ourselves, thus we become Eternal. Idol1
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The interesting thing I have found about Truth, is that it resonates through every form of the Holon. It is beautiful to see...

It's HOLONs...all the way up, and all the way down...
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According to Wilber, the Twenty Tenets are an attempt to summarize and draw some basic conclusions from dynamic systems theory and the contemporary evolutionary sciences. Calling them "tendencies of evolution" or "propensities of manifestation," the Twenty Tenets operate throughout the three great domains of evolution: the physiosphere, the biosphere, and the noosphere (or matter, life, and mind).

Ken Wilber’s Twenty Tenets are:

1. Reality is not composed of things or processes, but of holons, which are wholes that are simultaneously parts.

2. Holons display four fundamental capacities:
a. self-preservation (agency)
b. self-adaptation (communion)
c. self-transcendence
d. self-dissolution

3. Holons emerge.

4. Holons emerge holarchically.

5. Each holon transcends and includes its predecessors.

6. The lower sets the possibilities of the higher; the higher sets the probabilities of the lower.

7. The number of levels which a hierarchy comprises determines whether it is ‘shallow’ or ‘deep;’ and the number of holons on any given level we shall call its ‘span.’

8. Each successive level of evolution produces greater depth and less span.

9. Destroy any type of holon, and you will destroy all of the holons above it and none of the holons below it.

10. Holarchies co-evolve. The micro is always within the macro (all agency is agency in communion).

11. The micro is in relational exchange with macro at all levels of its depth.

12. Evolution has directionality:
a. increasing complexity.
b. increasing differentiation/integration.
c. increasing organization/structuration.
d. increasing relative autonomy.
e. increasing telos.

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It's about time!
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Time, in Buddhism, is defined as a measurement of change.
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hmm. could the time be defined also as a measurement of responsivness...of those who listen or not or of those who aggree or not or of those who desire or not
there is a flow and its nit as strait as a linear idea of it
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....................or not strait at all
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When we discover Truth, we find that Truth never changes, We find it in ourselves, thus we become Eternal. Idol1
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Exactly
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time is an illusion...for before you can measure it, it has passed.
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Spacetime
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In physics, spacetime (or space–time, space time) is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single continuum. Spacetime is usually interpreted with space as being three-dimensional and time playing the role of a fourth dimension that is of a different sort from the spatial dimensions. According to certain Euclidean space perceptions, the universe has three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. By combining space and time into a single manifold, physicists have significantly simplified a large number of physical theories, as well as described in a more uniform way the workings of the universe at both the supergalactic and subatomic levels.
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What about the time it takes for your brain to process time it self?

If it's possible to stop time, does time exist for that period of time while time is stopped? "How long did you stop time for?"

If time stops, and you move your body, does it take time within the stopped time to move your body, or does it happen instantly?

Could you even think if time stopped?

insanity..
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Biophoton
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For the science of interactions of light and living beings, see biophotonics.

A biophoton (from the Greek &#946;&#953;&#959; meaning "life" and &#966;&#969;&#964;&#959; meaning "light"), synonymous with ultraweak photon emission, low-level biological chemiluminescence, ultraweak bioluminescence, dark luminescence and other similar terms, is a photon of light emitted from a biological system and detected by biological probes as part of the general weak electromagnetic radiation of living biological cells. Biophotons and their study should not be confused with bioluminescence, a term generally reserved for higher intensity luciferin/luciferase systems.

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Ahh time.. such a very counter-intuitive trait of the reality experience.

One would imagine, and humanity has done so up to relatively recently, that time is a standard global phenomenon.. Yet physics shows that time is non-standard and "flows" variably depending on conditions.

Buddhism would say that time is an illusionary result of the streams of consciousness the subjective experience has flowing into each other in an apparent linear fashion. It's no wonder initial models of time are structured in such a way, yet modern physics disproves that concept.
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What about the time it takes for your brain to process time it self?

If it's possible to stop time, does time exist for that period of time while time is stopped? "How long did you stop time for?"

If time stops, and you move your body, does it take time within the stopped time to move your body, or does it happen instantly?

Could you even think if time stopped?

insanity..
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I think you would be interested in Femtoseconds and the quantum mind. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The Four Noble Truths

1. Life means suffering.
2. The origin of suffering is attachment.
3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.
4. The path to the cessation of suffering.


1. Life means suffering.

To live means to suffer, because the human nature is not perfect and neither is the world we live in. During our lifetime, we inevitably have to endure physical suffering such as pain, sickness, injury, tiredness, old age, and eventually death; and we have to endure psychological suffering like sadness, fear, frustration, disappointment, and depression. Although there are different degrees of suffering and there are also positive experiences in life that we perceive as the opposite of suffering, such as ease, comfort and happiness, life in its totality is imperfect and incomplete, because our world is subject to impermanence. This means we are never able to keep permanently what we strive for, and just as happy moments pass by, we ourselves and our loved ones will pass away one day, too.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

The origin of suffering is attachment to transient things and the ignorance thereof. Transient things do not only include the physical objects that surround us, but also ideas, and -in a greater sense- all objects of our perception. Ignorance is the lack of understanding of how our mind is attached to impermanent things. The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging. Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow. Objects of attachment also include the idea of a "self" which is a delusion, because there is no abiding self. What we call "self" is just an imagined entity, and we are merely a part of the ceaseless becoming of the universe.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

The cessation of suffering can be attained through nirodha. Nirodha means the unmaking of sensual craving and conceptual attachment. The third noble truth expresses the idea that suffering can be ended by attaining dispassion. Nirodha extinguishes all forms of clinging and attachment. This means that suffering can be overcome through human activity, simply by removing the cause of suffering. Attaining and perfecting dispassion is a process of many levels that ultimately results in the state of Nirvana. Nirvana means freedom from all worries, troubles, complexes, fabrications and ideas. Nirvana is not comprehensible for those who have not attained it.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path. It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth. The latter quality discerns it from other paths which are merely "wandering on the wheel of becoming", because these do not have a final object. The path to the end of suffering can extend over many lifetimes, throughout which every individual rebirth is subject to karmic conditioning. Craving, ignorance, delusions, and its effects will disappear gradually, as progress is made on the path.

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When we discover Truth, we find that Truth never changes, We find it in ourselves, thus we become Eternal. Idol1
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The interesting thing I have found about Truth, is that it resonates through every form of the Holon. It is beautiful to see...

It's HOLONs...all the way up, and all the way down...
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According to Wilber, the Twenty Tenets are an attempt to summarize and draw some basic conclusions from dynamic systems theory and the contemporary evolutionary sciences. Calling them "tendencies of evolution" or "propensities of manifestation," the Twenty Tenets operate throughout the three great domains of evolution: the physiosphere, the biosphere, and the noosphere (or matter, life, and mind).

Ken Wilber’s Twenty Tenets are:

1. Reality is not composed of things or processes, but of holons, which are wholes that are simultaneously parts.

2. Holons display four fundamental capacities:
a. self-preservation (agency)
b. self-adaptation (communion)
c. self-transcendence
d. self-dissolution

3. Holons emerge.

4. Holons emerge holarchically.

5. Each holon transcends and includes its predecessors.

6. The lower sets the possibilities of the higher; the higher sets the probabilities of the lower.

7. The number of levels which a hierarchy comprises determines whether it is ‘shallow’ or ‘deep;’ and the number of holons on any given level we shall call its ‘span.’

8. Each successive level of evolution produces greater depth and less span.

9. Destroy any type of holon, and you will destroy all of the holons above it and none of the holons below it.

10. Holarchies co-evolve. The micro is always within the macro (all agency is agency in communion).

11. The micro is in relational exchange with macro at all levels of its depth.

12. Evolution has directionality:
a. increasing complexity.
b. increasing differentiation/integration.
c. increasing organization/structuration.
d. increasing relative autonomy.
e. increasing telos.

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 Quoting: SickScent


Kabbalah, The Tree Of Life Topologically Explained

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The central picture in Kabbalah is the Tree of Life containing 10 sefirot and 22 paths. This design was derived from concentric circles (The Bahir). The concept of the tree is to represent how universal energy (Kether) transforms into the World (Malkuth). The Tree is about the "manifested" Universe. which is in Kabbalistic view - based on three voids (unmanifested) which come from The Absolute. The 3 voids are called Ain, Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur. Laureyssens shows in this video - in an engineering approach - how the Absolute (One) can self-create these 3 first voids by a type of universal coupling action of a Singularity (a non-breakable dynamic spherical Membrane), similar to Ouroboros, the snake that bite it's own tail. The action is a penetration, called a pelastration, that creates from parts of the 2D-surface locally a multi-layered (structured) 3D topological sub-set, called a holon. The holon is a local UNION of two membrane tubes, but acts like a UNIT, where it's three joined M-layers interact and exchange energies.... [link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
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Thread: The field of HUMAN ENERGY (Page 64)
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For the practitioner of Inner Alchemy, the human body is revealed to be the meeting-place between Heaven and Earth: a Rainbow Bridge between the Worlds. In Taoism, this energetic landscape is described in terms of the Dantians, the Snow Mountain area and the meridian system. In the Hindu yoga systems, this same terrain is spoken of in terms of the chakras, and the kundalini energy that rises from the base of the spine, awakening these energetic centers one by one.


hmm

The book
[link to www.amazon.com]

The site...

[link to soul1.org]

The seven planes and 49 subplanes visual.
[link to soul1.org]

:treebridge:

AND the master key... [link to taoism.about.com]

The Solar Plexus has been likened to the sun of the body, because it is a central point of distribution for the energy which the body is constantly generating. This energy is very real energy, and this sun is a very real sun, and the energy is being distributed by very real nerves to all parts of the body, and is thrown off in an atmosphere which envelopes the body.

6. If this radiation is sufficiently strong the person is called magnetic; he is said to be filled with personal magnetism. Such a person may wield an immense power for good. His presence alone will often bring comfort to the troubled minds with which he comes in contact.

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What about the time it takes for your brain to process time it self?

If it's possible to stop time, does time exist for that period of time while time is stopped? "How long did you stop time for?"

If time stops, and you move your body, does it take time within the stopped time to move your body, or does it happen instantly?

Could you even think if time stopped?

insanity..
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I think you would be interested in Femtoseconds and the quantum mind. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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"For context, a femtosecond is to a second, what a second is to about 31.7 million years."

That's something to reflect on.
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izzak, it seems we are on similar thought patterns.
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The Four Noble Truths



4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path. It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism)
[link to www.thebigview.com]
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The eight fold path...
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Noble Eightfold Path
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The Noble Eightfold Path (Sanskrit: &#257;ry&#257;&#7779;&#7789;&#257;&#7749;gam&#257;rga, Sinhala: &#3462;&#3515;&#3530;&#3514; &#3461;&#3521;&#3530;&#3495;&#3535;&#3458;&#3484;&#3538;&#348​2; &#3512;&#3535;&#3515;&#3530;&#3484;),[1][2] is one of the principal teachings of the Buddha, who described it as the way leading to the cessation of suffering (dukkha) and the achievement of self-awakening.[3] It is used to develop insight into the true nature of phenomena (or reality) and to eradicate greed, hatred, and delusion.

Division Eightfold Path factors Acquired factors
1Wisdom Right understanding Superior right knowledge

2wisdom Right intention Superior right liberation

3Ethicalconduct Right speech

4Ethical Right action

5Ethical Right livelihood

6Concentration Right effort

7Concentration Right mindfulness

8Concentration Right concentration

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Re: Time & Other Concepts
Great thread as usual SS. It seems that light governs time perception, maybe time itself is of the light.
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06/17/2011 07:18 PM
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Re: Time & Other Concepts
 Quoting: SickScent


SickScent...that book has a really good description of time...

From the book...
Time is only an illusion produced by the succession of our states of consciousness as we travel through eternal duration, and it does not exist where no consciousness exists in which the illusion can be produced but "lies asleep".

The present is only a mathematical line which divides that part of eternal duration that we call the future, from that part which we call the past...these two eternities constitute that duration in which alone anything has true existence, were our senses but able to cognize it.

Like all things manifested, time is relative to duration. ALL creation is done IN duration, and THAT is where thoughtforms are built.

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