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WTF!!!!! Man burns himself to death to avoid US debtors prison!!!

 
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It was a very selfish act to go alone and not to invite a politician...khm, khm.
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it seems like only the lazy dumb arrogant idiots cant keep the pants on , and breed like rats, when the woman kicks the sperm doner out, he is going to end up on the streets or in the big house.i beleive we should have a mandatory nueter clinics for these sperm doners who just want to get a bigger welfare check.
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That's what happens when the fucking divorce laws aren't reformed and the women ALWAYS FUCKING WIN. ALWAYS. ALWAYS.

I've never seen a case where the wife lost. Never. Doesn't matter if the wife have a $200k a year job and the father is unemployed. The wife wins. Every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433063


Really? I lost. I am a middle class mother with a Masters Degree in Marketing. My ex and I split and he took our kid to a small town he grew up in 100 miles from the major city I live in. I filed for custody here in the major city, but felt that it was my obligation to notify him that I had done so. He and his mother rushed to file their own custody case in the small town. The small town deputized his mother so she could drive 100miles back to me and personally "serve" me the papers. (all this time my major city was still processing my paperwork) Because my ex served me first, the court case had to be held in this small town. This small town doesnt like big city folk, and in the court hearing we both got joint cutody BUT********* he was awarded "custodial parent" (even though his income is barely over poverty level and he and his girlfriend are on wellfare) AND*******GUESS WHAT?? I was awarded to pay child support to him every month, with only visitation rights to my daughter.

This was 4 years ago. I have recently taken him back to court to get half the time with my daughter(because that is what joint custody is suppose to be about...not this stupid visitation crap of only once every other weekend) and so, it is more equal now-but I still pay him...AND he and his girlfriend now have two kids of their own, still on foodstamps and medicaid..living in a really bad part of the city, and my daughter suffers.

I have an older daughter who is starting middle school this year (not from this relationship) and I am putting her in a private school. I begged my ex to please let me put my other daughter in a private school too, because she currently attends a highly over-populated city district school that is in a bad area.
He told me no...and I can do nothing because he has been granted custodial parent.

So, as you can see....WOMEN DO NOT ALWAYS WIN. Even those of us who are educated and responsible.

It's these crazy court systems who really win. All in all, it's always the system that wins.
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yes we could go on all day with a battle of the sexes, but its really the power of a few men ruling over the masses we should be concerned about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1426338


ROTFLMAO!!!! baby

Pissed because you "didn't beat him to the punch" typical female... They hate it when the guy wins one.. (go team Male!)

Your story about "how he barely makes it" (or something similar) is equal to the story of females getting the kids (the largest majority) when THEY THEMSELVES cannot afford to take care of children "either"..

Calling the kettle black ain't ya sweetheart..LOL..
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It is the mans job to provide regardless. Now man up and pay your child support!
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It is a womans job to woman up and spread her legs and open her mouth. See how these generalities work?
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A rather hot headed thing to do.
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This was not some random crazy guy.

I wonder how many actually took the time to read what he had written and were able to grasp the message of frustration.

This wasn't just only a system against the men, but a system against the families.

While men are targeted I'm amazed how some women really think being free white and over 21 is such a good thing.


You have no idea what it is like being a white male this day in age. You are a pervert, a child molester, a rapist and evil and corrupt before you even open your mouth.

You are racist, bigoted and evil.

That's before you even know the people you are in the elevator with.


Trust me when I say, women have all the power these days. And they wonder what happened to MEN these days.

Read that fucking story this man wrote and you will see what happened to real men.
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06/18/2011 09:49 AM
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Blow it out your ass. The guy was a deadbeat and an abuser. I'm in the area.
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Yeah right. And that was the case for the tens of thousands of other dads who ended up in jail for not paying their bitch ex wife right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433063


If its the wife who wanted the divorce then there should be no financial support. She thinks she can do fine without her husband then she just hit the road. Bet you there would be fewer divorces.
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it seems like only the lazy dumb arrogant idiots cant keep the pants on , and breed like rats, when the woman kicks the sperm doner out, he is going to end up on the streets or in the big house.i beleive we should have a mandatory nueter clinics for these sperm doners who just want to get a bigger welfare check.
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Sperm "donor" is a derogatory statement on "males" not females.. is that your intention? ..
If it is then: I think womens tubes should be "cut out" after the divorce, to insure her evil intentions "end" (and no adoption either) and CPS should be a permanent fixture in the females life, if "she" gets the kids (more kids get assaulted by the females "friends" she has over then anything else after a divorce)...

You really do not want a war of sexes, your not even physically able to compete in any capacity compared to a "Male"...
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There is no debtors' prison per se (that went out with the mid 19th century in the US). But having said that, bad finances and the desperate want for money, does prompt some people to commit crime (aka doing stupid things). So in many ways, prisons today are a defacto sort of debtors' prison if you land in the clink because you committed a crime to rectify a poor financial situation. This can range from shoplifting a can of grated cheese at the convenience market to robbing a bank and everything in between.

Too bad this guy had no regard for his child. Bad business decision that shows bad character. A reward of death vs paying back 3gs, perhaps a little JAIL time (not even real prison time)and being somewhere for your child makes no sense. But that's our society. Most people are poor planners and most have absolutely no clue about risk/reward and will take the perceived easy way out even if it amounts to dousing oneself with gasoline and lighting a match. pure insanity. What a waste of all too precious life.
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This was not some random crazy guy.

I wonder how many actually took the time to read what he had written and were able to grasp the message of frustration.

This wasn't just only a system against the men, but a system against the families.

While men are targeted I'm amazed how some women really think being free white and over 21 is such a good thing.


You have no idea what it is like being a white male this day in age. You are a pervert, a child molester, a rapist and evil and corrupt before you even open your mouth.

You are racist, bigoted and evil.

That's before you even know the people you are in the elevator with.


Trust me when I say, women have all the power these days. And they wonder what happened to MEN these days.

Read that fucking story this man wrote and you will see what happened to real men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626707


Nothing more pathetic than the white man who feels sorry for himself.


Seriously, no wonder the women screw you over all the time if you're such pussies.
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Its about time we brought back the chastity belt.
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There is no debtors' prison per se (that went out with the mid 19th century in the US). But having said that, bad finances and the desperate want for money, does prompt some people to commit crime (aka doing stupid things). So in many ways, prisons today are a defacto sort of debtors' prison if you land in the clink because you committed a crime to rectify a poor financial situation. This can range from shoplifting a can of grated cheese at the convenience market to robbing a bank and everything in between.

Too bad this guy had no regard for his child. Bad business decision that shows bad character. A reward of death vs paying back 3gs, perhaps a little JAIL time (not even real prison time)and being somewhere for your child makes no sense. But that's our society. Most people are poor planners and most have absolutely no clue about risk/reward and will take the perceived easy way out even if it amounts to dousing oneself with gasoline and lighting a match. pure insanity. What a waste of all too precious life.
 Quoting: CoinGuy


How is he supposed to pay the 3g in jail?

Once you are arrested its almost impossible to find a job.

If you cant find a job to pay the child support they throw you in jail.

Its a stupid system. They should work with the person paying child support to help them get a job instead of putting them in a situation where they can never pay it off.
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Here's an idea, don't just marry any woman with a vagina. And most certainly don't have children with someone you haven't known for 5 years or so.

You've only yourself to blame for your own predicament.

90% of these fools would of said that their woman is the best thing in the world a month before things turned to shit. The same can be said for the women.

Look at people as shitty busineses, don't invest too much in them.


PLAN your children.

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Male or Female judge ?

That's what happens when the fucking divorce laws aren't reformed and the women ALWAYS FUCKING WIN. ALWAYS. ALWAYS.

I've never seen a case where the wife lost. Never. Doesn't matter if the wife have a $200k a year job and the father is unemployed. The wife wins. Every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433063


When I was divorced, my ex and I agreed on a fair settlement. Later she changed her mind and drug me back to court to get more money. I went with a really good aggressive lawyer. The judge called the attorneys into his chambers before we went in. Ten minutes later he called for my ex. I was sure that was bad. After another ten minutes, she walked out crying, with the lawyers close behind. The judge ripped her and her attorney for bringing a frivolous suit with no basis for rewriting the agreement. The wife does not win every time. Sometimes justice prevails.
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this whole shitbang female favored circus is going to come apart , soon.

thank god i dun have to deal with this nonsense , seen enough friends and coworkers deal with it
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Blow it out your ass. The guy was a deadbeat and an abuser. I'm in the area.
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Ditto that...a thousand dollars? Do you know how much daycare costs a month on average? 500-700 a month.....school lunch is 2.50 a day.....the children always loose.....a thousand dollars over years is nothing.....did his children eat the whole time he didn't pay? If the mother couldn't afford to feed them then what? There are people that owe student loans in the thousands to hundred thousands...should they burn themselves too....that would make TPTB happy now wouldn't it?
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This was not some random crazy guy.

I wonder how many actually took the time to read what he had written and were able to grasp the message of frustration.

This wasn't just only a system against the men, but a system against the families.

While men are targeted I'm amazed how some women really think being free white and over 21 is such a good thing.


You have no idea what it is like being a white male this day in age. You are a pervert, a child molester, a rapist and evil and corrupt before you even open your mouth.

You are racist, bigoted and evil.

That's before you even know the people you are in the elevator with.


Trust me when I say, women have all the power these days. And they wonder what happened to MEN these days.

Read that fucking story this man wrote and you will see what happened to real men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626707


Nothing more pathetic than the white man who feels sorry for himself.


Seriously, no wonder the women screw you over all the time if you're such pussies.
 Quoting: The Incarnation


You know what. Come to America, get married, have a kid then wait for the divorce.

Then you will see how the system is set up.

Until then fuck off you bloody wanker because you don't have a single fucking clue as to what you are talking about.
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wtf dumbass

there is NO SUCH THING as debtors prison!!!

wtf




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Ok what do you call it when you can't pay your debt, are taken to court for it, found guilty and ordered to pay a fine.

When you can't pay the fine to the court you are ordered to go to jail...


You say tomatoe I say tomato.
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all this and not even a mention of "the second set of books"

did anyone even read the letter?
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BITTER GUYS AREN'T MARRIAGE MATERIAL ANYWAY

LIKE THE OP...
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Obviously very few here bothered to read this incredibly powerful and moving story. How anyone could read this and think this was about "avoiding debtors prison" is beyond me. Once again GLPer's miss the boat. Sad.
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There is no debtors' prison per se (that went out with the mid 19th century in the US). But having said that, bad finances and the desperate want for money, does prompt some people to commit crime (aka doing stupid things). So in many ways, prisons today are a defacto sort of debtors' prison if you land in the clink because you committed a crime to rectify a poor financial situation. This can range from shoplifting a can of grated cheese at the convenience market to robbing a bank and everything in between.

Too bad this guy had no regard for his child. Bad business decision that shows bad character. A reward of death vs paying back 3gs, perhaps a little JAIL time (not even real prison time)and being somewhere for your child makes no sense. But that's our society. Most people are poor planners and most have absolutely no clue about risk/reward and will take the perceived easy way out even if it amounts to dousing oneself with gasoline and lighting a match. pure insanity. What a waste of all too precious life.
 Quoting: CoinGuy


How is he supposed to pay the 3g in jail?

Once you are arrested its almost impossible to find a job.

If you cant find a job to pay the child support they throw you in jail.

Its a stupid system. They should work with the person paying child support to help them get a job instead of putting them in a situation where they can never pay it off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626707

The man was not facing a felony charge to begin with. A misdemeanor is not end of life as we know it. Given his long term unemployment background, his job prospects were already pretty much nullified, or reduced to some low hourly wage sort of job. This guy had a failed marriage, a failed career and failed to own up to the obligations of his state of residence. The excuse that jail would spoil his chances for new employment sound pretty deadbeat to me. Always with the excuses, it's always someone else's fault.

If he were really smart, he would have taken the next Greyhound and gotten the hell out of NH. It's called starting over, becoming temporarily homeless and living in a men's shelter, finding menial work for a while and getting your act back together again. Or maybe he could have driven his way out and lived in his car for a while. This is not unheard of. Instead he has the weak mindedness to concede defeat to some crazy woman. still makes no sense to me. Hey my father in law was a deadbeat dad in NY. He got away with it. Lesson: come to liberaland nY and get away with all sorts of crap. Don't do that in NH.

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That's what happens when the fucking divorce laws aren't reformed and the women ALWAYS FUCKING WIN. ALWAYS. ALWAYS.

I've never seen a case where the wife lost. Never. Doesn't matter if the wife have a $200k a year job and the father is unemployed. The wife wins. Every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433063


this is why i believe marriage in america is a trap

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433082


marriage anywhere is a trap.

there's one fucking program hardcoded in our brain which makes us think it's normal to have a wife and kid, and that program will also reward us with nice feelings at first, if we obey it.

but it's still an enslaving program, and those who can outsmart it without feeling bad, are those with lives with most of positive experience / feelings.
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BITTER GUYS AREN'T MARRIAGE MATERIAL ANYWAY

LIKE THE OP...
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Thats because "we are not manipulative material" (we actually use the brain on our shoulders, and not the one in our pants)..

You females hate it when you cant manipulate.. fess up sweetheart.. your nothing but a troll in life (like most women are), your like monkeys.. "You wont let go of one branch, until you have hold of another"..

If that ain't situational manipulation, to a personal self righteous and emotionally tied decision, hell what is?..LOL!
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That's what happens when the fucking divorce laws aren't reformed and the women ALWAYS FUCKING WIN. ALWAYS. ALWAYS.

I've never seen a case where the wife lost. Never. Doesn't matter if the wife have a $200k a year job and the father is unemployed. The wife wins. Every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433063


this is why i believe marriage in america is a trap

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433082


marriage anywhere is a trap.

there's one fucking program hardcoded in our brain which makes us think it's normal to have a wife and kid, and that program will also reward us with nice feelings at first, if we obey it.

but it's still an enslaving program, and those who can outsmart it without feeling bad, are those with lives with most of positive experience / feelings.
 Quoting: yp0c4t


AMEN!..

Even people in the bible were not married.. (little factoid that society tends to forget) as a theological reference..
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There is no debtors' prison per se (that went out with the mid 19th century in the US). But having said that, bad finances and the desperate want for money, does prompt some people to commit crime (aka doing stupid things). So in many ways, prisons today are a defacto sort of debtors' prison if you land in the clink because you committed a crime to rectify a poor financial situation. This can range from shoplifting a can of grated cheese at the convenience market to robbing a bank and everything in between.

Too bad this guy had no regard for his child. Bad business decision that shows bad character. A reward of death vs paying back 3gs, perhaps a little JAIL time (not even real prison time)and being somewhere for your child makes no sense. But that's our society. Most people are poor planners and most have absolutely no clue about risk/reward and will take the perceived easy way out even if it amounts to dousing oneself with gasoline and lighting a match. pure insanity. What a waste of all too precious life.
 Quoting: CoinGuy


How is he supposed to pay the 3g in jail?

Once you are arrested its almost impossible to find a job.

If you cant find a job to pay the child support they throw you in jail.

Its a stupid system. They should work with the person paying child support to help them get a job instead of putting them in a situation where they can never pay it off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626707

The man was not facing a felony charge to begin with. A misdemeanor is not end of life as we know it. Given his long term unemployment background, his job prospects were already pretty much nullified, or reduced to some low hourly wage sort of job. This guy had a failed marriage, a failed career and failed to own up to the obligations of his state of residence. The excuse that jail would spoil his chances for new employment sound pretty deadbeat to me. Always with the excuses, it's always someone else's fault.

If he were really smart, he would have taken the next Greyhound and gotten the hell out of NH. It's called starting over, becoming temporarily homeless and living in a men's shelter, finding menial work for a while and getting your act back together again. Or maybe he could have driven his way out and lived in his car for a while. This is not unheard of. Instead he has the weak mindedness to concede defeat to some crazy woman. still makes no sense to me. Hey my father in law was a deadbeat dad in NY. He got away with it. Lesson: come to liberaland nY and get away with all sorts of crap. Don't do that in NH.
 Quoting: CoinGuy


Well under that guise.. 5 cents and a steady aim would have saved him a bundle (jk)..but he could have :arranged" things to be leaning in his favor (sure) .. but he had more honor then that course of action..
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there is no honor in suicide in this sort of situation. that's selfish way out.

Last Edited by CoinGuy on 06/18/2011 10:29 AM
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Blow it out your ass. The guy was a deadbeat and an abuser. I'm in the area.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433036


Yeah right. And that was the case for the tens of thousands of other dads who ended up in jail for not paying their bitch ex wife right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1433063




well, the thing is also - How the hell is he supposed to pay for the child support if hes in fucking jail? Do they have paying jobs in jail? If thats the case sign me up to go to jail and work and have 3 hots and a cot!
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all this and not even a mention of "the second set of books"

did anyone even read the letter?
 Quoting: mistersplinter


I read it carefully. Your point is correct.

A good portion of this story should be about how administrative procedures and "public policy" have become more important than the actual written (by legislators) law.

Not that legislators are perfect either...
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an old friend of mine in the same situation just jumped off of a high rise he was 52

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