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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1005330 Canada 06/18/2011 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854Why did I pay all that property tax just so little punk assholes like you get to go to school for free? Fuck off punk and pay your taxes! |
BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/18/2011 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First we have no idea who you would consider 'old'. Quoting: Mickeyblue 1433579Secondly, they have been paying into the systems for decades and are not getting anything 'free'. What world do you live in? Go to any of the big box stores and it is old people who greet you and check out what you leave with in your cart from the store. Look around child, they are working everywhere they can as no one can "sit around" as you describe and get by today. While you still can you might begin to chat with them and learn a whole lot of stuff about which you are clueless. The misuse if the system has lead to the immediate use of incoming funds for SS, there is no banking of ones contributions as a savings account...I will never see a SS payment, it will be dead by the time I'm able to draw from it...yet I have to pay, in fact just a few months into the year they make me stop paying...yes there is a limit to what they can take... Last Edited by BRIEF on 06/18/2011 02:35 PM I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1431854 United States 06/18/2011 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First we have no idea who you would consider 'old'. Quoting: Mickeyblue 1433579Secondly, they have been paying into the systems for decades and are not getting anything 'free'. What world do you live in? Go to any of the big box stores and it is old people who greet you and check out what you leave with in your cart from the store. Look around child, they are working everywhere they can as no one can "sit around" as you describe and get by today. While you still can you might begin to chat with them and learn a whole lot of stuff about which you are clueless. But the system is bankrupt. This money that is magically "paid in" and sits around until it is ready to be "re-claimed" simply doesn't exist. So you may say people have paid in but where is this money right now? The money is gone, therefore today's current taxpayers are really the ones footing the bill. At this current pace the current tax payers will never actually pay into the system and there will be nothing left for them to claim either. This is why these social programs need to be done away with and people should save ahead by private means. Yes, some old people still hold jobs but how many millions are simply leeching off the system? |
BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/18/2011 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Barry Goldwater pulled over three retirement incomes. Quoting: Mickeyblue 1433579From SS? Or from various individual retirement accounts? I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1431854 United States 06/18/2011 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | people pay into it - and save their own money, that is , if life has been good and they havent had any major issues, or lost their pensions or been swindled or been raped by the govt in taxes! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428086SS is a a back up , it isnt a life savings! Never was! and people do work until their old ages now, they have to now, see them all the time everywhere now! but most old people cant work for obvious reasons which I guess your too dumb to figure that out! even tho old cannot rest their weary bones,,, as for you young person, I hope when your 80 and senile someone tells you " get to fucking work" your worth less pc of shit! but they probably say that to you now - CAUSE YOU ACT LIKE YOU ARE ONE! thats why you are WHINEY an pathetic! Face it... whether you are like it or not these programs are socialism. Why is socialism okay only when it comes to certain groups? Most people in this country claim to be anti-socialism but their actions speak otherwise. If it was reserved for the very old that can't work, and the retards that, well some of them can even work...but you get what I'm saying...then it would be ok, and people like me that will never use it should be able to opt out...I'd rather take that money that I pay in and give it to a charity or invest it some other place... I think you have the right idea. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1433371 Canada 06/18/2011 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854Then all the young kids will complain that they cannot get jobs and will demand the old ones retire and make room in the work force for them. |
ArchaicSEAL User ID: 873894 United States 06/18/2011 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854Because it was mandatory that they pay for their entire working lives into a social security account as opposed to having the choice of putting that money into their own private investment account for retirement. So now, after having paid so much money into this failed system, they are getting shafted out of their earned wealth. If they had had the choice of putting that money into their own account they would have that money today and would not have to ask for anything from the system. The same can be said for medicare. Honestly, if it was me, I would be very pissed had I worked my entire life and had to pay into social security and medicare and then not be able to receive my money back or the care promised me. And I have NO DOUBT that you would be also... instead of posting your stupid ass bullshit on here, you would be bitching about the system that has robbed you of half your wealth. |
BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/18/2011 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854Then all the young kids will complain that they cannot get jobs and will demand the old ones retire and make room in the work force for them. Kids don't want to work, they want to drink soda pop and play x box... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1322813 United States 06/18/2011 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: BRIEFNot true, many will hire them and give just enough hours as to not interfere with their SS... I praise those who planned ahead and saved up their own money as to not be a burden on taxpayers and those who find a way to contribute to society. Those who made no plans and simply leech off the system need to learn the hard way about not investing in their future. Being old in itself is not a virtue and we owe nothing to the aged simply because they are older than we are. Those that saved up? And saw their savings evaporate in two stock market crashes? Who saw the house they worked for all their lives decline in value so much they can't even sell it so they can move into a one bedroom apartment to save money on the utilities and maintenance? Yeah, some lucky old farts ended up retiring with golden parachutes but a lot of people who worked hard all their lives got the shaft. We need a social safety net. We just don't need people who don't want to pay a dime in all their lives and then try to collect to the max when they get old. People should be smarter than to borrow money for a house and then put all their cash in the market...that's just dumb...borrow to invest in the market is basically what they are doing...they are gamblers not investors... So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1431854 United States 06/18/2011 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854Because it was mandatory that they pay for their entire working lives into a social security account as opposed to having the choice of putting that money into their own private investment account for retirement. So now, after having paid so much money into this failed system, they are getting shafted out of their earned wealth. If they had had the choice of putting that money into their own account they would have that money today and would not have to ask for anything from the system. The same can be said for medicare. Honestly, if it was me, I would be very pissed had I worked my entire life and had to pay into social security and medicare and then not be able to receive my money back or the care promised me. And I have NO DOUBT that you would be also... instead of posting your stupid ass bullshit on here, you would be bitching about the system that has robbed you of half your wealth. The point is that these systems were destined to fail the moment they were created. Yes it is unfair that paying in was mandatory but sitting back and trusting that these good ol' American government programs were going to be there four decades later was irresponsible for anyone who didn't invest elsewhere during their working years. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1431854 United States 06/18/2011 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854Then all the young kids will complain that they cannot get jobs and will demand the old ones retire and make room in the work force for them. Maybe the young kids would have a better reason to do well in school and learn some REAL job skills. Not just "get by" in high school and enroll in a four- year party college. |
BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/18/2011 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854I praise those who planned ahead and saved up their own money as to not be a burden on taxpayers and those who find a way to contribute to society. Those who made no plans and simply leech off the system need to learn the hard way about not investing in their future. Being old in itself is not a virtue and we owe nothing to the aged simply because they are older than we are. Those that saved up? And saw their savings evaporate in two stock market crashes? Who saw the house they worked for all their lives decline in value so much they can't even sell it so they can move into a one bedroom apartment to save money on the utilities and maintenance? Yeah, some lucky old farts ended up retiring with golden parachutes but a lot of people who worked hard all their lives got the shaft. We need a social safety net. We just don't need people who don't want to pay a dime in all their lives and then try to collect to the max when they get old. People should be smarter than to borrow money for a house and then put all their cash in the market...that's just dumb...borrow to invest in the market is basically what they are doing...they are gamblers not investors... So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. I have many, many times...Investments can be pieces of land ahead of a developing community...precious metals, I bought a 10 year CD at 7% just before the economy started to collapse, they nearly cried when I cashed it in...I buy savings bonds, real estate, rare coins, stamps...the list is endless... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Burt Gummer User ID: 1431061 United States 06/18/2011 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854 |
BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/18/2011 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854I disagree, OP has a valid point... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1431854 United States 06/18/2011 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854I praise those who planned ahead and saved up their own money as to not be a burden on taxpayers and those who find a way to contribute to society. Those who made no plans and simply leech off the system need to learn the hard way about not investing in their future. Being old in itself is not a virtue and we owe nothing to the aged simply because they are older than we are. Those that saved up? And saw their savings evaporate in two stock market crashes? Who saw the house they worked for all their lives decline in value so much they can't even sell it so they can move into a one bedroom apartment to save money on the utilities and maintenance? Yeah, some lucky old farts ended up retiring with golden parachutes but a lot of people who worked hard all their lives got the shaft. We need a social safety net. We just don't need people who don't want to pay a dime in all their lives and then try to collect to the max when they get old. People should be smarter than to borrow money for a house and then put all their cash in the market...that's just dumb...borrow to invest in the market is basically what they are doing...they are gamblers not investors... So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. Like BRIEF said, there are endless ways to invest outside of hiding money in a mattress at home. I am managing to save several thousand a year by going without things like home phone and cable television and living in a place I can actually afford. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1386579 United States 06/18/2011 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old people are always looking for a free hand out. From Medicare to Social Security and every other free ticket social service out there, the elderly are a bunch of free loaders. Why should my taxes pay for their free health care and pill popping habits when all they do is lounge around watching Wheel Of Fortune and hang out all day on their porches? Old people need to get a job like everyone else and stop expecting everyone else to pay their bills! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854Just gota love these 15 year old basement trolls. I leave it to the others to blast your inexperience. |
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BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/18/2011 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1322813Those that saved up? And saw their savings evaporate in two stock market crashes? Who saw the house they worked for all their lives decline in value so much they can't even sell it so they can move into a one bedroom apartment to save money on the utilities and maintenance? Yeah, some lucky old farts ended up retiring with golden parachutes but a lot of people who worked hard all their lives got the shaft. We need a social safety net. We just don't need people who don't want to pay a dime in all their lives and then try to collect to the max when they get old. People should be smarter than to borrow money for a house and then put all their cash in the market...that's just dumb...borrow to invest in the market is basically what they are doing...they are gamblers not investors... So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. Like BRIEF said, there are endless ways to invest outside of hiding money in a mattress at home. I am managing to save several thousand a year by going without things like home phone and cable television and living in a place I can actually afford. Just make sure you invest in things that will be needed in the near future...like: Solar and wind power, food and ammo, guns, seeds and garden supplies/ equipment, clothes, shoes and boots...Vodka, I have cases of Vodka for barter... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1322813 United States 06/18/2011 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1322813Those that saved up? And saw their savings evaporate in two stock market crashes? Who saw the house they worked for all their lives decline in value so much they can't even sell it so they can move into a one bedroom apartment to save money on the utilities and maintenance? Yeah, some lucky old farts ended up retiring with golden parachutes but a lot of people who worked hard all their lives got the shaft. We need a social safety net. We just don't need people who don't want to pay a dime in all their lives and then try to collect to the max when they get old. People should be smarter than to borrow money for a house and then put all their cash in the market...that's just dumb...borrow to invest in the market is basically what they are doing...they are gamblers not investors... So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. I have many, many times...Investments can be pieces of land ahead of a developing community...precious metals, I bought a 10 year CD at 7% just before the economy started to collapse, they nearly cried when I cashed it in...I buy savings bonds, real estate, rare coins, stamps...the list is endless... Well good for you! But if you had lost your shirt in those investments instead you'd have the fun of having some dolt sitting in his parents basement telling you what an idiot you were for "gambling" like that and now that you're 75 years old you can jolly well starve. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1322813 United States 06/18/2011 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like BRIEF said, there are endless ways to invest outside of hiding money in a mattress at home. I am managing to save several thousand a year by going without things like home phone and cable television and living in a place I can actually afford. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431854So you're saving money, like millions of your elders before you did. And what if you put it in the "wrong" investment, or the economy tanks, or suddenly there is a 98% tax on your asset, or you get cancer and dropped from your health insurance and end up with a million dollars in medical bills or some other piece of shit thing comes along and wipes you out the way it did millions of your elders before you? Again, I agree with the idea that people shouldn't suddenly feel entitled when they retire if they haven't been actively supporting the social safety net, not just grudgingly paying into it. But neither do I agree with Ayn Randian morons who believe in people "pulling themselves up by their own boostraps". I wonder if they've even thought for one minute that is is physically impossible to "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps"? |
BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/18/2011 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: BRIEFPeople should be smarter than to borrow money for a house and then put all their cash in the market...that's just dumb...borrow to invest in the market is basically what they are doing...they are gamblers not investors... So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. I have many, many times...Investments can be pieces of land ahead of a developing community...precious metals, I bought a 10 year CD at 7% just before the economy started to collapse, they nearly cried when I cashed it in...I buy savings bonds, real estate, rare coins, stamps...the list is endless... Well good for you! But if you had lost your shirt in those investments instead you'd have the fun of having some dolt sitting in his parents basement telling you what an idiot you were for "gambling" like that and now that you're 75 years old you can jolly well starve. A wise man told me when I was a child not to put all my eggs in one basket...he was a smart motherfucker and it made sense...and I have never been greedy...a man with a fist full of money clinched tight has no more room for more money, his hand is closed...but a man with money in his open hand will have some taken away, but there is room for more. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1431854 United States 06/18/2011 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: BRIEFPeople should be smarter than to borrow money for a house and then put all their cash in the market...that's just dumb...borrow to invest in the market is basically what they are doing...they are gamblers not investors... So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. I have many, many times...Investments can be pieces of land ahead of a developing community...precious metals, I bought a 10 year CD at 7% just before the economy started to collapse, they nearly cried when I cashed it in...I buy savings bonds, real estate, rare coins, stamps...the list is endless... Well good for you! But if you had lost your shirt in those investments instead you'd have the fun of having some dolt sitting in his parents basement telling you what an idiot you were for "gambling" like that and now that you're 75 years old you can jolly well starve. What do you think people did before Social Security (1935) and Medicare (1965) ??? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1322813 United States 06/18/2011 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1322813So where are you supposed to put your money? In your mattress? Or the bank and earn like 1%? There are people who "gamble" in the stock market but I am talking people who bought conservative blue chip mutual funds and STILL got hammered. And how many people do you know who could pay cash for a house? You're just full of it. I have many, many times...Investments can be pieces of land ahead of a developing community...precious metals, I bought a 10 year CD at 7% just before the economy started to collapse, they nearly cried when I cashed it in...I buy savings bonds, real estate, rare coins, stamps...the list is endless... Well good for you! But if you had lost your shirt in those investments instead you'd have the fun of having some dolt sitting in his parents basement telling you what an idiot you were for "gambling" like that and now that you're 75 years old you can jolly well starve. What do you think people did before Social Security (1935) and Medicare (1965) ??? If they weren't rich or didn't have kids who could afford to take them in and for pay their medical bills they starved or died. Why do you think people pushed for these programs? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1431854 United States 06/18/2011 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: BRIEFI have many, many times...Investments can be pieces of land ahead of a developing community...precious metals, I bought a 10 year CD at 7% just before the economy started to collapse, they nearly cried when I cashed it in...I buy savings bonds, real estate, rare coins, stamps...the list is endless... Well good for you! But if you had lost your shirt in those investments instead you'd have the fun of having some dolt sitting in his parents basement telling you what an idiot you were for "gambling" like that and now that you're 75 years old you can jolly well starve. What do you think people did before Social Security (1935) and Medicare (1965) ??? If they weren't rich or didn't have kids who could afford to take them in and for pay their medical bills they starved or died. Why do you think people pushed for these programs? Probably the same reasons that people are pushing for free college and healthcare this very moment. Everybody loves free stuff. The only problem is that it isn't really free, right? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1430910 United Kingdom 06/18/2011 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hh hat happened to respect your elders .. now whitey is getting the old people , who we should respect ,, to work till the death .. cos there to scared to get the lazi black bastards to work ..fucking guttless cowerds , get the blacks working , fucking pieces of shit scrping there knuckles of the sidewalks everyday looking for dope or a white girl to rape... sick of this shit , fuck the government |