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Is the Kundalini raising the same as being filled with the Holy Ghost?

 
Baruch HaShem (OP)

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We all know we are in the last days. With all the false prophets running around I've been doing some thinking.
Now this is gonna sound crazy and you'r not gonna like it.


I think one (of the two witnesses) may have been Osama Bin Laden!!!!
Hated by the world CHECK
Death celebrated Check
Brought destruction CHECK
Couldnt be found or touched for along time CHECK

Let me know what you think....
 Quoting: Geminii


the two witnesses are supposed to be indestuctable for some time and protected by supernatrual means until their eventual death, when it is their time. This is more then just evading capture.

There bodies are also supposed to be visible to all in the street at the end.
 Quoting: chrion777 1439306


And they are also suppose to be raised from the dead before the world thus completing their witness as they ascend to heaven before the whole world. Please read Rev.11

The two witness are witnesses of something not just anything.

What are they witnesses of? Their spectacular raising from the dead by the hand of God says something doesn't? Who else do we know was raised from the dead on the third day?

This is what they witness to. That Jesus is coming to rule the whole Earth. That Jesus is the Messiah. That Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. That Jesus is Lord of lords and kings of kings. That Jesus is worthy of all honor and glory and every knee should bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.

This has great implications. They will witness to the truth that if you believe not in the Son you can not believe in the Father because the name of the father is seen in The Son and his role as the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the whole world is essential for salvation and being justified before God. This means that worship of any other "God" is error and an affront to the true God The Father of the Lord Jesus. They will witness to the fact that only through the blood of the Lamb can we be reconciled to God and that the followers of Islam. Hinduism, Buddhism Sikhism and also Judaism and any other religion must repent and confess and believe that Jesus Christ is the way , the truth and the life and none come to God except through him.

Can you imagine the uproar and righteous indignation!

They will do this at least in part in Jerusalem which has strict laws against preaching in the streets. Jews will not like this nor Muslims nor anyone else except the elect. But no one will not be able to stop them. It will make international news and be televised over the whole world.

They will be hated like few men are hated and reviled. They will be seen as trampling on the sacred rights of others to worship according to their traditions and desires. They will be seen as intolerant bigots and accuse of hate crimes. Many not believing their testimony about Jesus Christ will see them as tools of anti Christ because they can not believe that Jesus is Love and at the same time he is not a punk. Many will not be able to believe that the only way to God is through Christ and all other people that worship different "Gods" worship religious spirits of deception as the two witnesses will be saying. Muslims in particular will be offended because the two witnesses will level an awesome charge against them. That their religion was created by the devil as an anti christ solution to Christianity. These guys will not be playing around.

Many will believe if they killed them that that will be doing God service.

But they will be indestructible during their 3 and 1/2 year long witness giving strength to their message. They will destroy all that try to kill them.


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5If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
Rev.11


They will not be chained or locked up for long because they will be able to pass through walls and no one can keep them bound for long. Every promise and blessing of God will be theirs. What ever God had done for others in the scriptures God would be willing to do for them. So that the word of God may be true. "Every promise of God is yea and amen in Christ Jesus."

They will have the key of understanding that through Christ all things are possible for them that believe. They will be strengthen by all might in their inner man filled with the awesome Spirit of God with out measure. They will have become spiritually God's signet ring, God's full authority on the Earth. They will be equipped withe the full armour of God and walking in the Most High's Name. Anything they ask will be done unto them. They will be those that Jesus said will do even greater works than he. They will continually abide in the secret place of the Most High and dwell in the shadow of the Almighty.

When their 3 and 1/2 year official witness is finished they will further witness for the name of Jesus Christ through their deaths.

They will purposefully not defend themselves and will "turn the other cheek" Satan will then overcome them. (Having been fighting all along.) The wise will know that even this is a witness to Jesus Christ. They will secure their crown and high place in the kingdom to come and through this act imitate their lord. There is not a greater honor for a saint but to serve God even unto death. (The greek word for witness means also martyr.)

(If they would not turn the other cheek Satan could not defeat them because they overcome the Devil through the blood of the lamb of God and the word of their testimony and they love not the lives unto death.)

It is a set up for Satan that he can't refuse

7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

11But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

13At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev.11

What a witness!

They are given power to plague the people of the world to show that they are from God and through showing tough love nudge them to an understanding of the truth about Jesus and the need of repenting. (Because Jesus comes not as Lamb but as Lion to subdue all his enemies.) Many will manifest that which they have been hiding all along their intense hatred for God and his Christ and their resentment that God would rule over them through Jesus. In their hearts they desire the impossible which is their sin and self will and eternal life. Some just desire their sin and self will and death for they love their sin more then life itself and thereby worship death. The preaching of the cross will be hated by those that insists on perishing. They will reject it and trample on the blood of Christ (spiritually) and miss out on the most awesome blessings and receive the full measure of God's wrath.

6These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.



Rev.11


Last Edited by Baruch HaShem on 06/26/2011 02:58 AM
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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All christards are fucked up in the head.
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All christards are fucked up in the head.
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They are given power to plague the people of the world to show that they are from God and through showing tough love nudge them to an understanding of the truth about Jesus and the need of repenting. (Because Jesus comes not as Lamb but as Lion to subdue all his enemies.) Many will manifest that which they have been hiding all along their intense hatred for God and his Christ and their resentment that God would rule over them through Jesus. In their hearts they desire the impossible which is their sin and self will and eternal life. Some just desire their sin and self will and death for they love their sin more then life itself and thereby worship death. The preaching of the cross will be hated by those that insists on perishing. They will reject it and trample on the blood of Christ (spiritually) and miss out on the most awesome blessings and receive the full measure of God's wrath.
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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hello......
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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OP I had this revelation about a year ago. It turned everything I knew and was taught upside down. It is hard for a Christian to not fill in sin calling Christ the Antichrist. I however differ in my opinion. I believe the act of worshiping Christ is wrong. I believe it is idol worship. I believe Jesus was a teacher. That he had good intentions which were twisted by Roman rule. I agree that pastor priest etc lead all into the most fatal error of Christianity. Gods words are clear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1311987


You're right. Christ never asked for worship. It's also unfortunate that many folks think the MAJORITY of us are doing it.

:)
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Jesus Christ IS God come in the flesh! The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of ALL who believe on His name. For there is NO other name under heaven by which men MUST be saved!book
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Revelation is the root book of the word antichrist which is a meme that should have never been spoken, that book is sealed higher than Daniel and ive heard Daniel is unknowable...

I am not a reverend or a bible scholar, but when i was deep in the word i Found 9/11 to be rev 18-22, as i said earlier perhaps revelations isnt a book to be read
at all, but what do i know being a simple man, Gideon i would say your foundation is the Essenes or some semblance..

The only system we have besides banking is Communism.
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Revelation is the root book of the word antichrist which is a meme that should have never been spoken, that book is sealed higher than Daniel and ive heard Daniel is unknowable...

I am not a reverend or a bible scholar, but when i was deep in the word i Found 9/11 to be rev 18-22, as i said earlier perhaps revelations isnt a book to be read
at all, but what do i know being a simple man, Gideon i would say your foundation is the Essenes or some semblance..

The only system we have besides banking is Communism.
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im not jewish.......

but its interesting i guess.

how do you figure?
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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can you think of a system that would work better than capitalism?
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i could go one further and say that as United States, if each state adopted communism within our 50 dont you think we could find some reciprocity?
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can you think of a system that would work better than capitalism?
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personally no, provided we dont have people throwing the money away like no tomorrow.....

unfortunately, communism will most likely be proven to be the better form of government in the eyes of the world, as it appears it will be the one that survives.

in reguards to those communist countries.

if it peters out the reformed government would most likely mirror those who survived the economic collapse.

but the whole world seems to be marching towards socialism.

and i seriously doubt america has been enjoying true capitalism for some time........
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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on a purely mammon kinda stomach gurgle, i often wish i could see some darned capitalism in my life, but hey, give up the tax man's possessions and join
Christ

if only the roads were more forgiving, dirt roads>>>>asphault
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i could go one further and say that as United States, if each state adopted communism within our 50 dont you think we could find some reciprocity?
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if they could go communist, the black market would go global here.

but i dont think the 50 would put up with it, atleast in its entirety.

theres way to many people who would eventually go nuts, and have the means to do it.

it would most likely become a civil matter, and the formation of a new governing authority would result. imo

but i think thats in our future, but i think something will drive us to that brink.

and not economically neccessarily.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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on a purely mammon kinda stomach gurgle, i often wish i could see some darned capitalism in my life, but hey, give up the tax man's possessions and join
Christ

if only the roads were more forgiving, dirt roads>>>>asphault
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oh but the roads to hell are paved with good intentions.......
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Joshua i saw you preaching something earlier that was completely new to your styling, i feel this thread may bring the truth to more and more people, and i enjoy the debate
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peace be with you ...

How many days will you preach in the streets?
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I don't know. That not how it works. God does not let you know the whole matter from beginning to end, step by step and every turn thereof.

What I think is what is more interesting is the mechanism of my witness. this is what I am explaining and I see not many have ears to hear. I believe that the common understanding is that God just picks a couple of guys that are "worthy" and fills them with his power. Now they are the TWO WITNESSES.

But what does that witness to?

The witness won't be coming in a special anointing. They will just realize the full potential of the anointing in theory given and offered to every Christian. That is hard for many to understand or believe. It is their lack of understanding faith that keeps them from being transformed into a new creation and manifest as a son of God. By realizing the full potential of the Gospel that itself is a real witness and then the acts of righteousness ,wisdom and power flow out of that spiritual mechanism of transformation.

All of it is centered around unbelief. Not being able to have ears to hear. I am being blessed in my ministry because I see first hand the powerful blindness that covers the spiritual sight of many.

32And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

Now this is talking about the end times and Satan's and the Beast's war with the saints. The witnesses are included among them. Those that know their God will be strong and do exploits. Not just the two witnesses though I believe the witnesses will be instrumental in helping many understand the spiritual mechanism to be strong and know their God and to stand but there will be others that "understand" and instruct many. Now many that don't understand as they ought "shall cleave to them with flatteries." MANY WILL STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE SPIRITUAL MECHANISM. They will try to glorify God by glorifying God's mighty servants. These flatteries shows their lacking understanding and hinders them from becoming like those they flatter.

Every promise of God, every spiritual blessing, every miracle, every bit of protection, everything thing that can be called a thing of blessing is found in the salvation of Christ by faith. This is the simplicity of the Gospel and this is how everyone that overcomes on the last day will overcome.

Listen

9This great dragon—the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world—was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.

10Then I heard a loud voice shouting across the heavens,

It has come at last—
salvation and power
and the Kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ
.a
For the accuser of our brothers and sistersb
has been thrown down to earth—
the one who accuses them
before our God day and night.
11And they have defeated him by the blood of the Lamb
and by their testimony.
And they did not love their lives so much
that they were afraid to die.

12Therefore, rejoice, O heavens!
And you who live in the heavens, rejoice!
But terror will come on the earth and the sea,
for the devil has come down to you in great anger,
knowing that he has little time.”


What power is there in the Blood. Much in every way. By the blood of the cross we have access to every promise and every blessing of the righteous for every sin has been washed away.

But only if we understand and believe.

(Are you getting this? Because I am trying to spiritually prepare you so that you might stand. Is anyone getting this?)

The two witnesses will understand this and believe this. This faith is the source of their power and every deed. In this way they also witness of Christ and not some special favor done outside of the blessing of Christ. What kind of witness would that be? A deceitful one! They will be mere Christians of full potential in the anointing of the Anointed One. Christ means Anointed One and also Messiah.

They will be new creations not like most Christians with their mix of faith and their own works of will worship and pride. These will be the meek filled with grace. Pillars of righteousness. The planting of the Lord.

(Does anyone kind of get this and see the great benefit of it?)

Is anyone understanding the spiritual mechanism of the witnesses' power so that you may stand in the coming days?

Last Edited by Baruch HaShem on 06/25/2011 06:44 PM
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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Joshua i saw you preaching something earlier that was completely new to your styling, i feel this thread may bring the truth to more and more people, and i enjoy the debate
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Thank God, Blessings to you..

Last Edited by Baruch HaShem on 06/25/2011 09:13 AM
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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WOW best thread I have ever seen...as anyone sorts through this,balance,context & by the teaching of the HOLY SPIRIT will we come to a knowledge of the truth.

as for your rip on the "western church" thank you. it is a disgrace to heaven to sit and be entertained and or think FATHER is a magic genie,stick a dollar in the bottle and pull out 100! and absolutely no rapture.

to who ever said there are thousands of years...no,a VERY short time and all things will change as JESUS will return to reign a thousand years, 3.5 for a final trial then heaven and earth are gone,judgement,then begins eternity.

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God bless.

I think people are afraid of coming on this thread. If I am not one of the witnesses I surely understand the spiritual mechanism of transformation and power in which they come in and have clearly expressed how it relates to salvation and even all aspects of God's will. I think people are perplexed. Because what I bring is not "new" but freshly seen. It is like something that has always been there in plain sight yet not seen and then pops right out of sight again.. This is because of the deception of the master deceiver. But all are not so prone to this infirmity. Some have eyes to see and they are seeing and they will make a stand in the last days with the witnesses and witness.

I know my God and I instruct others to know their God. That is my calling.

Why am I on GLP? Because the spirit of God has led me here. I don't know completely why and everything and what is going on in every mind and heart that reads this. But God is all knowing and everywhere present I am merely is his servant. But I do understand that there is purpose here.

God knows that I in my heart do not want to be one of the two because there is nothing in me that makes me more worthy of myself then any other. Shall I because of a lack of self esteem not except what God has revealed for me? Who then would I be listening to? I would be listening to the accuser of God's people.. the accuser of the brethren , the adversary of God's will and love for mankind. I would also be pleasing men that because of their pride compete with one another to exalt themselves over one another so that the can glory in themselves. Yet all have fallen short of true Glory. All have fallen short of the glory of God and his righteousness. Yet God gives glory and exalts some because they do not want to establish their own glory. God exalts the meek and the humble and the low of heart. These are considered just and good vessels and even temples of God's glory to peacefully reside therein.

The proud can never come to Christ and receive the most wondrous bestowal. Never. They are too busy establishing there own righteous which is as filthy rags before the righteousness of God and the coming of his holiness in great light.

Can you not see? Can you not hear? The meek will inherit the earth. Only the humble will stand?

Pride speaks deceit and Humility no guile..
The Proud says he know this and he knows that, but the Humble hears the word of God.

In the Household of Humility lives Wisdom and Understanding and all their wealth. Knowledge too is there and as a butler he serves. Those that trust in their own selves will faint by the wayside. The meek will mount up upon power and standing immovable in grace they inherit the earth.

And it is written.

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:29That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



Faith changes us because God honors our faith. He honors our faith with his grace which is the power of God. We are saved not by faith but grace that works through our faith. God is honoring to the uttermost the Blood of the Cross of Jesus Christ. The true source of world overcoming power. If we say we believe in Jesus and lack understanding of these things our faith is in vain. Faith that receives grace come by hearing the word of God. And if the word of God says that "what matter is not circumcision or uncircumcision but a new creature" and if we don't understand that there is a spiritual power to make that so.. we receive as we believe and this "believing" that God is not honoring to the uttermost the work of God which is the Cross of Christ and the Blood of the Lamb of God is unbelief and thereby we receive nothing. The faith that is no faith has not works for that "faith" is dead. It is a lack of belief in God's Goodness as proclaimed by his apostles and prophets. It is lack of understanding of God's Name which is his character and will as revealed to us through Christ.. It is lack of faith in the Good News.

The earth groans for the manifestation of the Sons of God. The earth groans for the manifestation of the Children of Light. God is no respecter of persons. What he has done for others he is able to do for you especially in Christ's righteousness which is given to you and there is no higher. You have the end of righteousness preached to you. You have the complete promise of God in Christ. Greater than the righteousness of Moses and all those of good report is the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus which is given you by grace if you understand the work of God and believe.

This is my witness.

Be I false or true in your eyes still I witness of the truth.. There is no greater Gospel and good news than this.

Verily I say unto you. The witnesses will prove..PROVE and AGAIN I SAY PROVE before the whole world that these things I say ARE true.

All the idols that you have hope in will crumble before this witness and succumb to the testimony of the word of God!!!!!! Everything that can be shaken will shake.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God!

It is he that comes and is bringing his kingdom with him.

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At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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Joshua i saw you preaching something earlier that was completely new to your styling, i feel this thread may bring the truth to more and more people, and i enjoy the debate
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What do you think I am doing better?
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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well, youve changed. what you do with it is up to you.....

i know the question isnt addressed to me, but i see a remarkable change actually.

your not as high strung and determined to be right, much more passive and controlling of the emotional tendancies that lead to striving with others.

much more respectable, and man enough to be wrong.

most of the ones who listen to you are the silent ones.

you dont know it but they are there cheering you on, and everyonce in awhile, they make a sound, usually when you need to hear it most lending you strength to go on when you deep down inside think you should just quit.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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All we have is maps.
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geminii, you gona see as bad as you hate it, i'm one.

who is mark brander?

hashem, let's talk
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Mark is someone who teachs a doctorine of hate.
Chip if I were you I would just leave me alone.
Do you really wanna follow me and badger me.
I made a deal with you. I would apologize if you had better proof and leave you alone.
You decided to condemn me on a conversation that does not involve you behind my back. Twice now.
So I had a right to defend myself.

If you are the one, this is who you need to talk to
He is a very kind and loveing person and could lead you down your path.

Other then that, if you dont directly talk about me on your
thread I will not talk to you.
But if you keep acting childish I will call you out on it.

Read through Hashems thread, not everyone believes him but he's not a huge butt about it.
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All of U know nothing about the Second Blue. Nothing more then attention whores.
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Many have been led here for a purpose, its confusing some, they know they are here for a reason, they know "they" understand and can see what is upon us. This leads them to believe they may be one of the two. (or should i say someone else leads them).Regardless this man and some others have good hearts and you should listen.
In the end days many people will be running to and fro gathering information, and sharing it!! here! GLP is where that information gathered will be shared, but only for those who have ears.

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There is a mystery of the Gospel. People are really confused about it. They don't know the way. The don't know the goal. And they don't know the means. They think God was incarnated in the flesh to make them more moral by teaching them to observe a bunch of rules. These are pew sitters and Church goers who will have problems in the tribulations to come. God came and incarnated in the flesh to set the captives free to all of them that are bound he preaches liberty instead.

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

But what is this liberty? How may it be attained.

We have heard that we are saved by grace that works through faith.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Yet some believe we are saved by faith not by grace and when it is ponted out that we are saved by grace through faith they don't understand that understanding matters. Come on! How can it matter and why? Faith is faith and grace is grace (and this is that and that this) and our understanding doesn't matter as long as we have faith? Isn't this right? Not so!

Many don't realize that not all faith is the same and not all faith have the same results and not all faith do God honor and any faith that God does not honor is dead for the active power of faith is grace and grace is the the power of God. (But still does understanding this matter?)

Some are taught to have faith in faith. Making an idol of it and a power unto itself to create and yield wishes and there is no place for God. Thinking that they can have whatever the want if only they believe hard enough and that is the will of God and how God functions. (These sadly miss the mark.)

Sometimes not knowing the limitation of words some make an idol out of them not looking for the real meaning in the context of what is being said. They don't realize that words only point to meaning and aren't the meaning themselves. Like a finger pointing the moon. The finger is not the moon but just pointing to it. Words are not the meaning themselves but only pointing to the meaning of the words and their combination. These get stuck in the letter of things and miss out on the spirit.

And many have gotten faith and grace thereby mixed up and are confused when the word of God says" faith" they don't know that "faith" filled with the correct understanding is the perfect receptacle of grace and the word grace is not mentioned but assumed for this "faith" is imbued with grace because God honors it and is pleased by it. (We must be honest in our dealings with understanding how faith works and what is it.)

And much of honesty being inward and between Us and only God and this is why a liar is disdained and will never enter into the kingdom of God because a liar is forever confused and can not grasp the truth nor truly desires it. But an honest man's faith will be edified through a deeper understanding.

This is a truthful saying and of great benefit, "We grow in grace in proportion to the quality of our faith." Our faith is a vessel suited to receiving grace and the quality of our faith determines the measure our of grace and the Holy Spirit is the chief gift of grace and aids to our transformation and spiritual growth through its fruits. It is the grace of God that sets us free and our faith the instrument of receiving the fullness of grace.

And that understanding this matters! Because it is done unto us as we believe.

This is why understanding matters. Because understanding the object of faith who is God and his character (Name) and his will and the testimony of his will and Name which is his Word is important. This Word (which is Jesus Christ) and thus Jesus' character (Name) and his works are of utmost importance too... these must inform our faith and all faith (some being informed more than others) is not the same. Paul says we go from "faith to faith." (One quality of faith to another as we grow in grace.) This faith to faith is from faith imbued with a certain understanding to faith imbued with even more understanding. You can bring a horse to water you cannot make him drink. We must be thirsty and have the wisdom to imbibe of that which will quench out thirst. Paul knowing this prayed:

17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Again

21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Is this not a description of the source of power of the witness of the two?

God is not going to arbitrarily give power to these two. And God is not withholding grace from others. Some will know their God and some will not and others will grow in grace through a deeper understanding.

Such liberty is in being that which pleases God (our bondage is acting like it) and grace the power of God grants us this being and rest from our own works. even this Sabbath so we thereby enter the mighty works of God. And understanding and believing the word of God informs our faith and makes it a more fit vessel for a greater measure of grace and all God's promises.

And grace is the power of God working in our lives in a loving manner to do the will of God in making us new creations and children of light made in the image of his dear Son and as he is the Victor and is victorious we become victorious through him because we become like him and a victor through his proxy. We become fellow heirs to all that which is the Son's for we become co-heirs with Christ.

By grace through faith and from faith to faith informed by understanding and believing the testimony of God's Character even his Name as revealed through the Word of God even Jesus Christ. This Word is an expression who God is through the revelation of His Son and who he is and what he has done for us. And through understanding informing our faith we receive more grace.

Therefore understanding is crucial and this is why Satan hinders it being the author of confusion.

Think about this parable.

18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

But also think about this. Those that receive on the stony ground and among thorns, even though it is not clearly said that they did not really understand the word/seed of God it is implied, for if they really had understood it they would understand that it is the pearl of great price[/b and it is more precious and worth more than tribulations or persecutions and the cares of this world, and the deceitful riches thereof and through this understanding the stony places and the place among thorns would not be what they were but good ground and fruit bearing for all of these are merely different conditions of the heart.

Now the seed sown is the word of the kingdom even the word of God which is Christ. (For being in Christ is being in the kingdom for the kingdom of God is within.) The fruit of the seed of Christ grows in us and is cultivated by the one thing that is necessary (google Martha and Mary and the one thing necessary) and in this way our eye is single and our bodies become filled with light. And what we are we become at liberty to be and again we have liberty for Christ has been sent to set us free in this very way. Again the theme of transformation through his Spirit and the new creation of the children of light is understood and thereby achieved.

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At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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well, youve changed. what you do with it is up to you.....



your not as high strung and determined to be right, much more passive and controlling of the emotional tendancies that lead to striving with others.

much more respectable, and man enough to be wrong.

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Haven't you recognized the same with yourself?

Just within two short weeks...





:)
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well, youve changed. what you do with it is up to you.....

i know the question isnt addressed to me, but i see a remarkable change actually.

your not as high strung and determined to be right, much more passive and controlling of the emotional tendancies that lead to striving with others.

much more respectable, and man enough to be wrong.

most of the ones who listen to you are the silent ones.

you dont know it but they are there cheering you on, and everyonce in awhile, they make a sound, usually when you need to hear it most lending you strength to go on when you deep down inside think you should just quit.
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Interesting.

I know that God wanted me to announce what I honestly believed last year. I didn't expect the resistance and acrimony. Knowing that God was preparing for me to be even bolder in the future and that he would show me something that did increase my faith, I did it. God really helped me in responding to my distractors proving to me even more my calling. Now I am more comfortable in my own skin and in states of prayer have been convinced of certain things.

I have benefit through the exchange. God has showed just a tip of the iceberg of how in need of truth many people are. That many think they see and are yet blind. He has shown and is showing me that confusion reigns even among his own. He has shown me that the two whoever they are have a job cut for them. They will be against the whole world at times. Yet many will come out of darkness and understand through there testimony and the witness of others.

There is room for many witnesses as much room there is for anyone to to die for Christ. Witness means Martyr. There will be those that know their God and they will do exploits not just the two. I have shown you the way throughout my posts. I have shown you the way to stand. The wise among you will heed and prepare yourselves and should do this quickly because you can not grow a crop and bring fruit forth overnight.

I think many here have an inkling of who I am. If you be those silent ones that stand by so be it. If you do then read the posts there is wisdom there. You have a calling to be more in Christ than you presently think. There is a way to an abundance of grace and I have talked about it and hopeful revealed it.

I am not saying that I will not be looking on and from time to time commenting. But I feel I have said what I need to say with the last posting. If you see wisdom in what is said than heed and if not not. there is much here and especially on the other thread.

Thread: One of the two end time witnesses is here! I am Jachin the pillar of intercession to the world. I am Joshua the High priest and call Baruch HaShem. I (Page 199)

AS for me I have heard no dates but only "soon."

I am not like those that walk by sight and visions but by faith filled with understanding the good news. I am being spiritually prepared for the time to come. Mysteries that will profit only a few I will not mention them but I will say that spiritual structures in side of my body is being created by grace.

As I have said that this is not a "special" anointing. But partakes of the one anointing and that is Christ.

God is not a respecter of persons. Increase your quality of faith and you too will be changed. I have to the best of my ability spoken of that way and how that through understanding the gospel (which few seem to understand) and seeing that Christ have done all and offers all, you too can stand mightily for God in the coming days of troubles. It is between you and God if you will accept the fullness of the good news or stay in unbelief. God has used me to to be a blessing and have offered you through me a spiritual gift of understanding. Detest me? It is your choice. Ignore me? That is up to you. I have done what I believed that God was asking me to. Now I withdraw to fully prepare myself for that which I believe must come.

Only I here have shown you the way to stand and do exploits in the name of God. It is for your own benefit that you become strong. As much as possible I have revealed to you the mysteries of God's name. Baruch Hashem means "Blessing of the Holy Name" it is the name given to me by God in states of prayer. I have said that I believe that I am one of the two and if I said that I don't believe this that would be a lie. Because of that claim some people came to mock me especially on the other thread, others came to scoff and despise and kid and tear down. But many were surprised at what they found and that I opened up the Gospel and pointed to Christ and his complete and utter salvation. This is what the witnesses will witness to. And because the world has rejected the Son and his sacrifice of love the world is judged and wrath comes.

But there will be a witness and many will repent and be converted. There will be many that know their God besides the two. (Who would want their job? Not many. Who would want their Glory? Quite a few. So that they can strut before men. God forbid!) Let us glory in the Lord.

There is ample room to witness and to die for Christ in the days to come. I have in my posts shown you the mechanism of their spiritual power so that you can understand and can stand. But you must be transformed. You must become a new creation. I have shown you the way. Put wisdom to practice and you shall have your reward. Look at Stephan and Philip they worked more miracles than than some of the apostles. Did they need to be apostles to do it? Jesus said that anything you ask in his name the Father will do it. I have attempted to reveal this name so that you too in hard times might get a prayer through. The proud witnesses that are no witnesses they strut before men thinking they are special and yet I have made claims and they are true. But I have also shown you the way of an abundance of grace the very mechanism of the witnesses' spiritual power and that way is humility, and a faith filled with understanding> I have talked about the importance of God's name and how to walk in it. None of the so called witnesses here have spoken about these important matters to manifesting the will of God. I have not just spoken about it but defined it and showed the way of it.

God's will for you is great and many take delight in accusing me like their father the accuser of the brethren. Tearing down like their god the destroyer. I have tried to reveal to you the way to be built up. Read my posts all are an attempt to edify.

I think there is a purpose to why God has sent me here. His word that I preach will not come back void. It will prosper and some will benefit in small and others in great ways. God's word will prosper in the thing that it is sent.

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At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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well, youve changed. what you do with it is up to you.....



your not as high strung and determined to be right, much more passive and controlling of the emotional tendancies that lead to striving with others.

much more respectable, and man enough to be wrong.

 Quoting: Sword0fGideon





Haven't you recognized the same with yourself?

Just within two short weeks...





:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


no, i dont usually look at myself concerning change, when i look at myself its usually with judgement, and regret or sometimes, with jubilation but only when a revelation comes, i cant contain the excitement, but right after the revelation occurs i usually feel pretty dumb really, cause the answer was right there darn it, so i usually feel pretty stupid after recieving the revelation, but im excited about it.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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well, youve changed. what you do with it is up to you.....



your not as high strung and determined to be right, much more passive and controlling of the emotional tendancies that lead to striving with others.

much more respectable, and man enough to be wrong.

 Quoting: Sword0fGideon





Haven't you recognized the same with yourself?

Just within two short weeks...





:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


no, i dont usually look at myself concerning change, when i look at myself its usually with judgement, and regret or sometimes, with jubilation but only when a revelation comes, i cant contain the excitement, but right after the revelation occurs i usually feel pretty dumb really, cause the answer was right there darn it, so i usually feel pretty stupid after recieving the revelation, but im excited about it.
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God make it seems simple.
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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well, youve changed. what you do with it is up to you.....



your not as high strung and determined to be right, much more passive and controlling of the emotional tendancies that lead to striving with others.

much more respectable, and man enough to be wrong.

 Quoting: Sword0fGideon





Haven't you recognized the same with yourself?

Just within two short weeks...





:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


no, i dont usually look at myself concerning change, when i look at myself its usually with judgement, and regret or sometimes, with jubilation but only when a revelation comes, i cant contain the excitement, but right after the revelation occurs i usually feel pretty dumb really, cause the answer was right there darn it, so i usually feel pretty stupid after recieving the revelation, but im excited about it.
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God make it seems simple.
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lol, actually i wonder if he likes making me feel dumb sometimes.......

cause when he reveals, i feel pretty dumb i didnt see it right their in front of me.....

its alot like when i work on a car, i spend half a day looking everywhere for the tool i was using and yet its right where i left it by the radiator.....

course i had to check the toolbox, inside the car, kitchen, restroom, bedroom living room etc. many times over before it occurs to me its still where i left it. :)
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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i dont usually look at myself concerning change...

i look at myself its usually with judgement, ... but right after the revelation occurs

i usually feel pretty dumb really, cause the answer was right there darn it, so

i usually feel pretty stupid
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Therefore, you have changed...


i am judgemental, ... i hate stupid people.
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:)
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i dont usually look at myself concerning change...

i look at myself its usually with judgement, ... but right after the revelation occurs

i usually feel pretty dumb really, cause the answer was right there darn it, so

i usually feel pretty stupid
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Therefore, you have changed...


i am judgemental, ... i hate stupid people.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon






:)
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i have always been ready to admit my short comings, i know full well theres room for improvement.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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