Is the Kundalini raising the same as being filled with the Holy Ghost?

Baruch i will try and say humbly that i am just a man, and quite intrigued by your message, furthermore i would lightly challenge you to a point, that point being, if the christian church is so wrong, give us some new insight or message that negates the dogmatic dial me 800 number jesus, what would you have of the christians considering a large portion of them are merely seekers who are being led into a cult??

Below is a conversation from another thread. This will answer your question and give you more than you bargained for and I hope edify you.

Be Blessed you coward you!




The name of God is at the very heart of the mystery of our Gospel. If you don't understand that from my conversation, I am sorry. We put on the Name of God as we grow closer to God in Christ. The Name of God is God's Character God's character is the fullness of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. This is mature "Christianity" This is the garment of the elect. This is the beauty of the wedding garment and the full measure of the armor of God. This is the source of the power of the two witnesses. This is proof that they come to bear witness of and need to for where have this been taught? Why haven't you heard this?

This is the key to the Name of Christ and great power before God and man.. Jesus said that anything you ask in his name he will do. Are we talking about "Jesus" the sound in English? Are we talking about "Yeshua" the sound in Hebrew? Neither! He is saying anything you ask in my full character! Think about it! AS we take on more of the character of Christ through the yolk of the Holy Spirit ( same as fruit of the spirit) we have more power in prayer and authority before spiritual force in sanctificatio. THe all power of prayer that Jesus is talking about is the 100 fold fruit of the Spirit that has grown from the seed of the word oF God that was planted in the good soil. The Word of God is Christ. Christ is that seed! And the seed bears fruit according to its seed. If it is fully grown it is like the fruit that the seed came from. 100 fold fruit is 100 percent like the fruit that the seed came from. The seed has "leavened" the whole lump of the old man and has made it all leavened. All like christ. Of you don't believe remember you will receive according to your faith. I come to preach the gospel of Christ and faith come by hearing the word of God. So listen.

This is why Jesus didn't say if it is according to God's will and if you ask in my name it will be done. But he said anything in my name it will be down into you. This is why this scripture is not alive to you because you don't prize the name, lack understanding and think that the prophet of God is playing word games. Don't be offended if I say you lack understanding but rejoice and receive for the benefit of many.

But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown." Mathew13:23

Many do not know that they can increase their faith through understanding the word and this understanding will bring forth more fruit in their lives.

Thus is the power of the two witnesses. Their character. This is why they stand before God while still in this world. THey are in God's Name and that is why come in his Name.

If you really love Jesus as you ought you would be dead to all that you once were and alive to him. But you have idols in your life. Things that are more important than God and his Christ. The two witnesses will not. You are not 100 percent fruit of the word of God. I am not saying that you are not saved. I am not saying tthat you have not put on Christ in measure to your faith. But you have not achieve the high calling that is in Christ Jesus. Indeed I would further to say you have not heard it explained before today. Or you would not say the name of God can not be known and that I am speaking about is mere semantics. What I am doing is revealing the mystery of God. to you. The word of God bears witness to me because I speak God's words and reveal his mystery. Would you be surprised if I said I am Joshua the High priest who was foretold to come? And I come in the "Name" of the lord. If you understood what I have told you you would understand the source of my power. If O was Joshua or Zerubbabel the two anointed ones? But if you do not understand them the word of a prophet could be is just word play.

Do you have ears to hear?

Jesus he spoke to the masses and he asked the same question. Let those that have ears, hear!

Do you expect the witnesses to come with word play and in the wisdom of debate? Their witness will come in power to lay to waste armies of modern machinery and weapons and i have told you why and how that is so. Did you hear? Are they special Christians with a special anointing? No! They just partake of the same anointing that is given to all that believe in Christ. For by grace we are saved. They just receive more of the gift that is given to all. And there fore a rebuke to all the lukewarm that are so prevalent in the church.

You know the name of the true God but not as God wants you to know it.. You can make no advance in the spirit without knowing more of God's name With every advance you must know more of it. Ponder this from Rev.19

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


Now I will tell you a mystery about the name of Christ and it is in the outlined passage. There is a name of Christ that you will never know nor I. Not matter how I become known and know him here on earth (This is a symbol of marriage, hence union and oneness) and even in heaven, I will never know him as he knows he himself. I will never be him. But I can be like him in the anointing of God that I would fulfill his prayer that we be one as he is one with the father. He is Creator and I am Creation.

This is Christ promise to those that press toward the mark of the high calling.

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. Mathew10:24

The two witnesses will be greater then Enoch, Moses, Elijah they will be as Christ himself. because they will come In the Name of the Lord. I hope you understand this now that you understand more about the Name. But please note what comes after the above passage.

If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?Matthew 10:24

I believe even many regular Christians will not like them (us) because they (we) will be living testaments to their lukewarm and idolatrous hearts. Because they (we) will not have a special anointing or will be better then the lukewarm but they (we) will just have died to themselves by understanding God and his Christ is the pearl of great price and they(we) sale all that we have to purchase it and because of the love for God and his Christ and they have entered fully into the kingdom of God even that which is the name of God.

Throw away your religion. It hinders you. The two witnesses in due time will come and they will give testimony of the mystery of God. They will make it plain. But some will still not be able to hear. But others will understand as Daniel said and they will repent and they will do exploits themselves. I pray you are one of these.

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I thank you. I think about these things... always, it seems, and yet... I know nothing. And then, I find that I know less than the nothing that I began with.

Your prayers are appreciated; believe me, I pray for the same... still.

IMHO, Scripture seems to distinguish between the two witnesses and the church;

The two witnesses appear to have a very different authority and commision than that which is given to the church:

The church is called to be a blessing
The church is called to be love and light and salt.
The church is called to love their enemy and pray for those who who despise it.
The church is called to bless and to forgive and to seek peace.
The church is called to baptize men in the name of the Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit.


The two witness are called to prophesy for a short period of time.
The two witnesses are called to smite the earth with plagues similar to those of Moses day.
The two witnesses are given power to destroy anyone who seeks to destroy them during their ministry.
The two witnesses torment those who dwell upon the earth.


IMHO, These are very different ministries and commissions. Thanks for reading my views.

Blessings and peace to you today.

Baruch have you met Zerubabbel yet? Do you think you guys are gonna ressurect and shoot fire at evil hordes??? Its a horrible place to meet on an internet forum ya know... if i were to say i was him, which i cannot say cause i have no testimony, but fruitful as it may be, you seem like you are heady and established, hows your right hand man hangin?

You are mistaken TXGal4Truth,

Rightly dividing does not mean that we pick and chose what we want to believe. It means that we look at the whole picture.

Read Exodus 20, where it is commanded that we should have no other gods before HIM, and that we shall not bow down and worship them.

Then go and read about the birth of Christ. Not only did the wisemen bring gifts, but they worshiped Him.

Instead of just talking..I'll show you from scripture.

Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Matthew 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

Matthew 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

There are many more verses that show this...I'll leave that to you to search out.

There is no prophet or teacher written of in the word that anyone went to worship. In fact, when anyone tried to take the glory of God things didn't turn out well. Go read about Herod.

In Revelation, when John tried to bow down to the angel, here is what the angel said:

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


Are you among those who don't actually "study to show thyself approved?" It's common that most just speak out their own opinions or just repeat what they've heard without ever looking into the matter.

Curious. So the Church comes in one name and the Two Witnesses another? No they come in the same name even the Name of God to reveal the will and character of God that he has expressed through the word of God even Christ Jesus.

If the world would have accepted this Name there would have no sin to receive the wrath of God. For does not the Lamb of God takes away the sin of the whole world.? The witnesses will walk in the love of God (albeit a tough Love) for God is Love or does the scripture lie? Where does it say "God is anger? But is says "God is love." God is not just loving but God is love. God so loved the world that he stepped from behind the veil of eternity and incarnated himself as the only begotten Son to suffer and die that those that believe in his name may not suffer and die ever again. The two witnesses will be about the greater good of the revelation of God witnessing the supremacy of Christ' grace over all things. If everyone of the church would walk like they (which in theory the could ..."many are called and few chosen").. they would be as Christ is and doing greater works as prophesied Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith, the way the truth and the Life.

So shall the witnesses come in another spirit? Or the same spirit of Christ? If another spirit then what are they witnesses of? And in what spirit does Christ came in in judgement? Not his own but another? He that is Alpha and Omega the beginning the end the first and the last and He who we are complete in? Are the witnesses incomplete. God forbid! The witnesses would be witnesses of another spirit and another name and not the spirit and name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They will prophesy you say? Will they just be saying that "God is angry at you, fools?" But pointing out why and that they have rejected God's salvation personified in his Son for they are proud in their will worship. This they will say in the face of an anti-christ and they will prophesy this, "God's true name and character is found fully revealed in Christ Jesus."

Jesus is not just lamb but also lion. You are right though the witnesses will have special anointing to manifest the lion aspect of Jesus before the lion's arrivial. That is because these men will have the heart of the church in them( believe me) and worthy of such power and in them the "blessing" and the "love and light and salt" and "love for their "enemy" and praying for those who who despise them which also an act of true love. But above all they also will understand without repentance there is no blessing and no forgiveness and no peace with God. They will take no joy in destroying God's enemy. They will offer themselves up in the end because if the did not even the beast would not be able to overcome them. This is proof of the spirt they come in. That they will imitate Christ in allowing others to overcome them so that they can have a final witness just like Christ their Lord. They will be risen from the dead before the whole world after three days.

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Funny how christians don't realize the Messiah WAS A TORAH OBSERVANT JEW!! They say they "should walk as HE walked" but don't even try to do what he did, which was follow the Marriage Covenant/Torah.

REPENT = Return to the Covenant! Turn from you religiousity, and GO BACK to the TORAH!!

SIN = Breaking the Law! (1 John 3:4)

Righteous = Following Divine Law

Holy = Set apart/NOT common

Pauls Definitions on The Law

Ma’asei Ha Torah = Works of the Law (additions)

Takanah & Gezeran = Decrees (additions)

Ma’aseh = Works (additions)

Halacha = Law (Torah) = the one we should Follow!!

Minhag = Tradition (additions)

WAKE UP!!! TIME IS SHORT!!!

Your pastor wispering sweet words of "Peace Peace" in your ear for a mere 10% WILL NOT be there at your judgement!!!

hilarious

Wow. A religiotard slap-fight as to who is the most delusional.

Congrats! You're all winners here!

lol

You forget he cured on a Sabbath

you forget he hung round gentiles and even ate with them
you forget he spoke to a samaritan woman

you forget he threw the merchants and those that sold animals for slaughter out of the temple

you forget he said..they have told you and eye for an eye..I tell you ..you know the rest

you forget he said..I establish a NEW covenant with you

A NEW commandment I give you..Love your neighbour as yourself and God above all else

you forget he called the doctors of the old law..vipers and hypocrites

you forget he touched unclean people

you forget he touched a corpse

youforget he said you cant put NEW WINE in OLD Wine skins

You forget he said..Do unto others as you would have them do to you BECAUSE THAT IS THE LAW

you forget the Sanhedrin allegedly wanted him dead


do you need more?

I see as you do OP. I humbly prayed for God's truth some years ago and I was further humbled as it was revealed to me. It has been a difficult walk, but I would not go back and undo it.

grace not law........ :)

Let me ask you something. Do you walk through a burn ward and laugh at the folks who did not make it out of the burning building, because they did not know the building was on fire?



From here, it looks like YOU glorifying him.

Oopsie...


Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

WOW best thread I have ever seen...as anyone sorts through this,balance,context & by the teaching of the HOLY SPIRIT will we come to a knowledge of the truth.

as for your rip on the "western church" thank you. it is a disgrace to heaven to sit and be entertained and or think FATHER is a magic genie,stick a dollar in the bottle and pull out 100! and absolutely no rapture.

to who ever said there are thousands of years...no,a VERY short time and all things will change as JESUS will return to reign a thousand years, 3.5 for a final trial then heaven and earth are gone,judgement,then begins eternity.

I have given you Direct examples of how and when he contravened Torah Law..can you deny those actions are against Torah Law?

as to your quotes

in Sermon of the Mounbt he states specifically

do unto others as you would have them do to you..because THIS IS THE LAW

you cant can you

they contravene Torah Law and YOU know it

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

We know there is one God. I was speaking of the ministry given to 2 types of people. I made no mention of coming in a different name. Sorry if I was not clear. This is what I mean by commission and ministry.

Just as John The Baptist testified that he was not part of the bride but rather he was a friend of the bridegroom, so I suspect these 2 witnesses will also be friends of the groom (so to speak).

Thanks again for your reply and for reading mine.

Peace and blessing to you.

If you christians would just STFU with your endless ARGUMENTS and DEBATES over raptures and tribs and other assorted craps.....and actually got ON with feeding the poor and helping the downtrodden instead of sitting on your FAT BACKSIDES typing here on a forum and getting fatter due to lack of excercise...that people MIGHT actually pay attention to you and perhaps to the Jesus you CLAIM to be speaking for..and PERHAPS then..getting SAVED.


But all we see year after year is MORE OF THIS BULLSHIT..endless debates..all claming to be the CHOSEN one..or the KNOWING one..with the TRUE revelation of whats what...insulting eachother..looking down your noses at eachother..despising eachother..arguing with eachother...always battling for the RIGHT to be "RIGHT"...

In the meantime WE..the "World" look on in uter DISGUST..and see you lot for the dopey idiots..the proud arrogant retarded FOOLS you really are...

And its NOT because you preach Jesus....its because you dont ACT JESUS...

All hypocrites..all liars..all arrogant fools.

The hungry STAY hungry..the poor STAY poor..the diseased STAY diseased...NOTHING GETS DONE..EVER....Because the VERY ONES SPOUTING at eachother over GNATS....are too busy swallowing CAMELS to notice that there is WORK TO BE DONE...

And the dead stay dead.....and You lot could not be better servants of SATAN if you tried..no mater HOW "Holy" or "CHOSEN" or "IN THE KNOW" you think you are..

YOU ALL DO THE WORK OF THE SAME MASTER...and he LOVES IT.

Because the work of God NEVER GETS DONE..and THATS SATANS ONE AND ONLY WISH....and you FULFILL IT FOR HIM VERY VERY WELL...so keep arguing..because you are making the LORD OF DOOM VERY PLEASED.

Just an obsevation.

Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets through revelation of the name of God. God's name is the substance of what we would label it as "Supreme and Divine Love." The fulfillment of all the law is not in observance to the letter of the law that kills but to the spirit of the Law that brings life and liberty. The fulfillment of the law is found in the words of Jesus who said that we should love God and our neighbor and ourselves. This is true righteousness. If we truly have this through the grace of God we are children of the light. Most people don't know what this love is. It is not Eros or Philo but Agape. The love of God. The love of God which is God. This is the name of God. It is spirit and it is truth. It is not just a warm feeling toward others. It is having the mind of Christ and being a new creature.

(Understand that words are like a finger pointing to the moon. My words are not the moon but point to the moon (the subject I am trying to convey.) Only if you have ears can you hear. Jesus said as much. I am sorry that you have gone back to the law. You have fallen from grace.)

Grace is the power of God working in us in a loving manner . Transforming us into the image of his dear Son. You are still in works following such things as days and ordinances. You have fallen from grace if you have ever had it.

You are confused about the purpose of Christ's coming "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." Galatians 6:15

In Christ means in the gift of salvation which is justification, sanctification and glorification the name of Christ. We work these things out to find as Jesus said on the cross ,"It is finished." Then we realize that it was not our works but God's grace that saved us and transformed us. For we are saved by grace and not works it is the gift of God on the cross of Christ. There is a rest for the people of God but many do not enter it because of unbelief. They doubt the goodness of God in Jesus Christ. They do not believe how good God is through the blood of Christ and how complete the salvation.. God's work is better then our works. God's work is that we become the workmanship of God fulfilling the law through a pure heart of the new creature.

They see the clear exposition of the Gospel as a fantasy that is to good to be true and the reject the name of God to follow their imagination. But what virtue is greater than sacrificial love. What greater love is this that God through His Son gives his life for his creation? Is there a greater work in the Torah than this?. Show me something greater than the work of God in Jesus Christ. Those that trust in him will not be put to shame.

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ouch..that must have been painful op ..lol

A true prophetic utterance. I don't need to know you. This is spoken from the Holy Ghost. Even if you are not a Christian God can use the voice of an ass (donkey) to rebuke us. I receive this rebuke. Do any others humble themselves before the word of God and repent? Yet also God has commissioned some of us to preach. Because faith comes through hearing and hearing the the word of God. And as it is written.

14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”g Romans 10

Let us not throw the baby out with the bath water.

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Peace and blessing to you too. Thank you for your thoughtful question.

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Thank you wild Honey.

wasn't it the Lords work at the cross which fulfilled the law????

I tell you that when the Word is sown...and that Word is quick as it is effectual to quicken those who hear it and go on to eat it into their utmost belly they become the whale that eateth Jonah.

And what good did it do that whale to eat him unless it like wise spewed him out the purpose of the lord would not be fulfilled only by the purposed hunger of that whale.

I tell you they the eaters take it unto them so it shall provide their nourishment their fuel that burns their touch of life a renewed life that is an all consuming fire a life given to refine and burn away that which opposeth God in them it will first pull them to it and convict them reproving them then love them with mercy and grace..it will impart the understanding of why that which opposeth God is sin and bad it murders it defrauds it wounds men hearts and their minds it tramples them into helplessness to be unable to rise up and walk ...

All that for the purpose that they will be transformed by the continual regeneration of this unto the transformation of the likeness of the Word of God changed into His image this image who sowed the man His grace...give Glory unto our Lord and lift Him up so Hew can lift you up from the pit and all others who see this will like wise have a beacon to go by and it is up it is high it is the Lifted one that shines....


But I tell you He who eats the bread of another He who snatches the bread from the children is the devil.He who comes and steals their blessing is the thief...the devil..he takes away the place of blessing and in return he leaves these a curse of affliction He accuses them and has no forgiveness he hold them in debt and forgives not their debts............

I tell you now that if this is continued there shall and will be no forgiveness for the thief...only destruction will be their reward.....................

Do not go and lay up the food that was gathered from another and eat that which is full of worms.......

It was for that one who received it and only for them and only in their day it was appointed to be eaten...


Eat what is yours and eat it in due season not out of its appointed season where if not eaten is imparted with worms that claim it and assure it will not be eaten by the one who received it not into them...


It is for you to bless them if you have eaten the goodness of God through the Lord Jesus Christ who gave you his bread...you would not curse your brother....you would see their pit that was laid for them and say step not into this and come away from this before you fall into it and become bound unto it.....you would say brother this thing you have done must be turned to blessing before others die of the curse of death...there must be a blessing if we see there is the need for one....bless and curse not for this is the glorification of the Lord our God...

If you see the error of your ways and you turn and go to find the right way it is not that you destroy those who also were in the erroneous way but for you it is better to shine great light on the way that is right...Lift up the light as a torch say I went to the rock and said rock will you save me....I went to the tree and said tree will you save me....I went to the town and said town will you save me.....through all these ways of others speaking and others dancing and performing and the buildings and benches the books the songs....what in it saved you?

What drew you to it....you have to see the hand of the Lord even in your own erroneous ways if you want to see your leader...that lead you out of dark valleys and dry deserts...

My sin I ate and it made way for the need to be saved and the greater I sinned the greater my need of grace to lift it from me........I am in greater debt to the one who forgave my debts....now go and forgive your brother of his and tell him of the One who sends him this good news............

Tell him brother you have a most wonderful morsel hidden just beneath the dew and I have found it to be true come and sup with me eat yours that is laid up for you with me and let us celebrate His goodness unto us.......

You have gained your brother and you have kept your place in the grace of the King....................


Love much forgive even more.

it's not just the christians that are delusional, every one in a religion is, but the "faithful" allow it to happen, because they can't think for themselves.

That's what religion is: soul-stealing Slavery.

until a person uses what God has given them :True Wisdom:, they will never be able to break the chains and bonds of their religious slavery.

Here's the Solution: create Your personal relationship with Our Creator.

it's that easy (!)

Now you know the way to personal, Spiritual freedom.
no religion needed.

Love and Peace for You