Is the Kundalini raising the same as being filled with the Holy Ghost?

Okay cool. Lol. That is a relief. I seriously thought you were misinterpreting that passage like not knowing the difference between humility abd brattiness.

I almost said childish, but I thought that would bolster your position, lol...

For some unfortunately it is, and honestly I think it is as such because if people could understand the truth, of who God is, and who God is not, what He does and what He doesn't do, it would require them to look deeply at what they thought they knew, and realize how much of it has been a lie. So rather than do that, they cling to what they know instead because it's easier for them than to have to admit maybe they've been had. Pride comes before the fall you know.....

I'd be willing to bet with ideas like yours, you're not even considered a true Catholic right? Since you renounce some of the things the Bible teaches about God.

but thats in the assumption your right and you dont haft to dig down and look at yourself as well....

the message shouldnt say for some unfortunately.....

it should say everyone.....

you tend to omit yourself with a statement like that.

which is still division, which you speak out against.......

I dont know really I have always been considered by Catholics and non Catholics like a Catholic person, which I am..I consider myself Catholic and a Devout Catholic..I have many Catholic traditionalists as friends and they are fine with me..All my family are extremely devout Catholics and have always been ..on both sides

I'm not saying I am a saint, cause I stumble and fall as much as anyone else does, being only human. Nor am I saying I don't have things to learn. After all that I've learned in the last year or so and how it's all changed my life in ways I could never have imagined, I'd be silly to say that I know all there is to know.

But as it pertains to God, there has to be a truth somewhere, and I will say unequivocally that yes there are many lies told about Him. Some people may not like that I say that and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact. A lot of things the religious God does simply cannot be justified, unless you make them justifiable.

I'm not gonna sit here and say: "Oh maybe I'm wrong" just for the sake of being open minded. I am very much open minded, but only to the point that something makes logical sense. If I can't make it make sense, I'm not gonna go and say maybe it's true anyway, or try and make it make sense anyway. No, if I can't make it sense, I am gonna simply conclude that's because it's just not true and move on. At some point, we have to stand for something, know what I mean?

We were given brains for a reason, that being to use them.

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sorry to jump on the corny bus,

Love never fails

Sometimes I think anger will make me strong, that's when Jesus brakes me down and proves me wrong.

aww..thats nice

If that's honestly where everyone is coming from, than cool.

No evil, just frustrating and endlessly back and fourth according to personal interpretaion, rather than actually respecting eachother's individuality and being Christ-Like.

Continue as you will, I just was feeling a bit of animosity and self-propping, on both sides.

I too am very passionate about Christ-Likeness, and I see some unfortunate aspects to what modern Christianity has become, and if everyone is ripping each other a new one, then we perpetuate the problem rather than being peaceful and accepting, while respecting our position and the position of others.

For even First Creator has allowed for this expression of darkness to exist, while remaining separate and passive. Unconditional love and acceptance in the most difficult way, even sacrificing the light to allow for darkness.

I feel there are incredible people on this thread, and I suppose I was expecting incredible balance and respect, easier said than done when discussing differences about our deep spiritual opinions.

Peace and goodness to you.

It is an imperative falsehood to claim you are tho only one of anything in a world of nearly 7 billion. If 1% of the human race does not find what you have found consider yourself deceived. If more than 10% finds what you have found also consider the fact that you have been deceived.

The 1% to 9% percent paradigm is where you want to be.

i think the idea of the thread and knowing the op somewhat was to cause everyone to reflect upon their faith and understanding.

although i do not make excuses for him, as he only knows the true reason for his own thread.

but i can say what i think it means to me, something is a miss in the churches.

and now theres a movement to unite all faith under one banner

and even a chrislim religion of some sort as well.....

something is definately wrong with the churches.

there is to much compromise, and that road leads believers to make other compromises as well, perhaps into new age or combining other faiths.

and eventually compromising your very beliefs in the Lord.

thats why the apostles said not to give heed to seducing spirits

thats why the apostles said if anyone comes to you with a gospel unlike the one we gave, let them be accursed.

and reiterated, again, i say to you, if anyone wether us or an angel from above come to you with a gospel unlike the one we gave, let them be accursed.......

sure there is some animosity, but it can be animosity between bretheren. not everything is evil.....

strife causes one to grow, sometimes strongly.

if a person feels wrongly, theres always the option to leave, theres no way to keep one in a conversation or look for another one.

therefore, if they are here, its generally cause they want to be. and perhaps even try to figure out how to put into words that which they believe perhaps???

i find such discussions great places for examining/considering myself and beliefs more so than others.

but thats my own personal thoughts......

Is that really the work of a loving God though? I say no. God needs no religion at all, and because we have all these different religions each one arguing they have it all right where everyone else is wrong, that's where your division is coming from. Hell the Bible itself basically pushes for it, as you show yourself with your comments above. There is no need for it at all. You can believe in God and not believe in a religion. To say you have to believe one way and one way only is a flat lie.

and actually, if you want to know the absolute truth.

y'all are more like the thoughts that roam around in my head, and old arguments either for or against something, which means i am basically arguing with myself in some cases, and in some cases someone broadsides me with a new thought or a different thought comes out of somewhere and blows my minds and all the thoughts are silenced........

it is times like that in which i rejoice, cause i dont consider those thoughts of my own, but of someone else.

i never claimed to be right.

and im not of a religion either

i check my own work and i would expect everyone else to do the same, dont take my word for anything, check it.

and im not of a church either.

your segregating again. if you insist, then either proclaim yourself a hand or a foot. that would make more sense.......

Ok well what exactly do you believe then? You believe the Bible is God's word don't you?

yeah that is the sum of it really, i believe the bible is the infallible word of God.

sure there might be descrepancies, but they have concordances and dictionaries for that.

as for being christian? not sure the original church were called natsarim.

it is apparent to me there is something wrong in the "christian" religion. Jesus wondered if he would find faith when he returned, which is alarming seeing he is the Son of God and knows everything.

perhaps, child of God? one who seeks to be adopted? one who wants to be with the Lord?

what i would love more than anything, is if there was a way i could grab an apostle and learn everything he knows.

but since this isnt possible i have no other recourse than to delve into all sorts of things trying to find the original teachings and understandings.

which is a task, and discernment is a must with very much prayer.

the task is great. but if what i have found out so far true, the contrast is alot different.

on the outside all christians are the same, but on the inner parts, mysteries abound. and they are not alike at all.

Ok, so then you believe anyone who refuses to believe as such is wrong or will be apart from God right?

i believe all are loved,

i believe many are called, and few are chosen.

not that they are cast anywhere in particular neccessarily for punishment.

i think alot of people misunderstand some things.

there are small things, clues, that state wonderful things

everyone who comes to the Lord is loved, but some are more esteemed than others....

a multitude without number appear in heaven.

in the book of enoch it says that the floor is like glass.

in revelations as well. also said it was mingled with fire.

and i can get alot deeper here, but ill refrain. cause its way off topic and would not be recieved well.

i believe those who deny the Lord before men will be denied by the Lord to the Father. and those who take the mark better figure out how to avoid the fire. for it is better to enter heaven maimed........

but in the end every knee shall bend and proclaim Jesus as Lord.

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See this is just it though, I think you in fact do put your beliefs above all others, you just don't realize you are actually doing it.

no, because i am open to correction if indeed i am wrong.

in the matter of heaven and what i understood, i dont share. i dont think i have shared my understanding of heaven with anyone at all really.

so how can i esteem my understanding above all others if i didnt share it?

i have shared my views about genesis, it isnt well recieved either.......

i have discussed heaven as far as jewels and stuff with daniel, but even then there was a difference of understanding between me and him in reguards to the one in ezekiel and revelations/enoch.

but this isnt reguarding my understanding over his to spite him. i just dont see what he apparently either see's or has been shown.

nor do i propose to see or not see the things the way you see them either.

your understanding is your own, as is mine.

provide me scripture where i am wrong that i do understand, and i will self correct.........

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Your point is well taken. So you have been making nice nice and I bad bad and we both are "trampled?" Maybe that says something about those doing the trampling?

I am uncompromising. I don't accommodate. I don't suffer fools lightly and those who would distort the word of God I battle against as i should.. That is my calling. I can and will take on all comers. There is the lamb of God and there is the Lion of Judah. I partake of the Lion being that I witness of his soon coming. LOL But I agree my tone can be improved. Ha! Ha! Ha! Thank you. But it is not the tone of people that destroys the earth. I know a lot of sneaky people ( maybe you know a few too) with the right tone. But I will try to speak the truth without telling people that they are wrong. It will be very hard but i will try. LOL (Good luck with that Baruch.) Men judge by the outward appearance but God judges the heart. Who do you think I should follow? There is a season for everything, this is the season not to bow down before men. or heed them to make pretty pretty. This is the time when hearts will fail from fear.

So your are a modern gnostic? Was Jesus the son of the demi-urge creator God or the Supreme being of all universes? Let us quote the Bible some. (I hope my "tone" is to your liking.)

<< John 1 >>
New International Version
The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understooda it.

6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.b

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,c nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,d who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” 16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,e,f who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

It says here that Jesus is the creator.

Jesus came so that we might have eternal life. He came so that we may becomes the Sons of God. We become the Sons of God not through essence(being of the same substance but through energy the expression or radiation of the substance of God. This expression is called God's word which Jesus is. "The way the truth and the life." This radiation is Light and we become the children of Light.

Our oneness is in this fellowship of expression (communication/conversation) nearness to God which is his presence and Glory even His Light. Jesus according scripture is this Light. To enter God's substance is impossible without being annihilated it dissolves all to the true reality which is God. All that thinks they have become God in union with God because they believe in having the same substance as God (for everything is God) are deluded. They say things like "I am as a drop of water and God is the infinite ocean of being. If I discover myself I discover God because I am of one substance with him. Our difference is merely appearance or illusion ie Maya." They are wrong. (I hope my tone is not offending you. LOL I am just stating the truth.) A drop is still a drop and placed in the vast cosmic ocean ceases to exit as a drop. God's will is that we become like him not that we lose our individual life and cease to exist in Him. For as Paul said, We live ,move and have our being in God. He desire to purify the drop of water which is an image of the ocean but is not the ocean. We are created in the image of God yet we are not God.

Think about your image seen in a mirror. Is that you in the mirror? Yes and no. But sin is like dust and dirt on the mirror obstructing the image and distorting it. Sin is like the filth in a drop of polluted water. The water needs to be cleasne but the drop of water need not be tossed into the ocean where it is no longer a drop but has become the ocean. The ocean is still the ocean the drop as disappeared.. The purpose of Christ is to manifest to creation the Sons of God. He does this by grace which is the power of God working in us in a loving manner to bring about the image of God's Son even our own sonship in ourselves.

Why is there conflict because this is a story. It is God's story. We all have our roles. Only in creation can stories be told. In the substance of God there is no time or space there is only the eternal moment of God's perfection. This is not where we want to be and it is not God's will. Thus we need a mediator between God and what He truly is as He is (in his substance.) This mediator is the complete expression of God even his Word that was manifested and was made flesh for us. This is the only begotten son of God. He also become the work of God. The straight and narrow way to God that we travel on by grace. The only way between God and men and all creation. All other "Avatars" (so called) are deceived by powerful spirits filled with pride. There is a spiritual war and in war there is conflict and in victory peace. This is what is coming. The peace of God for the Lord of the sabbath comes in Victory to rule the earth. The Lord of rest. The day of the Lord. I truly believe I am one of his witnesses for my understanding comes not from me but from above. There are many things Jesus will teach us in the millennium. Will we believe him face to face? Evidently not because at the end of it Satan will be loosed again and deceive many. Only the humble will receive grace. Only the meek will inherited the earth.

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Gideon are you sure you are not Zerubbabel? LOL I see from your other posts you have really been getting into the word of God.

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i told you long ago, i am like a little dog. one that knows some tricks.......

good night.

So pretty!!! I love the teacup!

I see your point I really do and yes it is a thing that when it comes into the flock makes our fleece stand on ends and we draw away from it..we do not partake of that which is strange fire or seducing spirits sensual affections yet they rather have great pleasure in these affections emotions than the Word yes it is not good and we do not take fire to our bosoms even if we must depart from it that is better than to be burned by it. My real issue and one I will use as a defining ruler is.....

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

This has a double portion stamped on it we can not remove this verdict.

Galatians 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed

And when we walk off guard and let the Word be handled with out utmost reverence then we are allowing our guard to be down and we will be bound before we knew we were bound and the strong one robbed us..

draw out and way from these mark them stay far from them and let the Lord handle them.

It was a sound of alarm along time ago and it was a voice of the stranger a long time ago and we know this is increased and will abound unto the coming of the Lord.

Encourage those who are not partakers to stay on the narrow road.

Thank you!

Is that napkin edible too? What is it made out of?

Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets through revelation of the name of God.


Wrong!

Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets by taking away the sins of His elect ones. It has nothing to do about the name of God, but what God did on the cross.

Romans 3:21-22 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.

How is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus work to bring righteousness anyway?

The answer is very simple actually, it is because Jesus took away ALL my sins forever, and in the absence of sin the Law is fulfilled.

So, Here is a question:

If a person were completely sin free in their life (because Jesus washed away the sins), would the righteousness or holiness that the Law of God requires be fulfilled, would we be justified by faith?

The answer is yes, because in the absence of sin the law is fulfilled!

So...if Jesus took away all of my sins after repentance and giving my life to Him, and I am blameless before God and sin free, do I fulfill the righteousness or holiness that the law of God requires?

The answer is yes; I fulfill the righteousness that the law of God requires because I have no sin in Jesus...because Jesus took and washed away my sins and nailed them to the cross!

..I am therefore sin free before God and fulfill the righteousness that the law God requires. This is what is meant by the righteousness by faith and NOT by works!!!

So then the righteousness that the Law of God requires, is fulfilled in every single person who comes to Christ Jesus. This is what it means that Christ is the end of the law and that He fulfilled the law. This is the righteousness which is by faith, and not by the works of the Law of God.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

How is the Law established?

The Law is established because there is no more sin to deal with, because Jesus took the sin away, and in the absence of sin the Law is Fulfilled, ...yes it is established! This is the righteousness that is by faith, and not by the works of the Law.


Romans 5: 1-2 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


The very reason that Christ came into the world was so that He could free us from sin and the consequences of sin, and more then that, so that we could become a new creation in Christ Jesus. And in the absence of sin, which is through the cross of Christ, the Law is fulfilled.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.