HONEST Question.....Are Lucifer and Satan, the same being

No, according to the late Malachi Martin, of the Vatican Church, in one of his audio tapes.

He stated, that they are separate entities and that Lucifer is a deceiver and Satan is a murderer.

One is identified as a scorpion and I forget for the moment what the other is identified with.

I believe for the most part, most theologians today still think they are one and the same.

I was thrown back by this.

My question back to you (OP) is the Devil, Lucifer or Satan, or neither?

Hope that helped.

LEGION

No

Depends on your perspective

And who you ask

Lucifer is only mentioned one time in the Bible and refers to the king of Babylon

a human who is now dead---it was likely Sennacherib

"satan" means adversary in Hebrew

it is not a "being" or god or any kind of supernatural anything

it is a role---played by a variety of people in the Bible

such as Peter

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


Even God Himself plays the role

1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.


This will help you understand the TRUE nature of "satan" in the Bible: [link to www.beingjewish.com]


apostate Catholic paganism has created this "evil god" to be in duality with the "good God"

no such idea exists in the Bible

None of them exist.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

who is this?

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

No, Lucifer is the daughter of Lucy
and Satan is the son of Satyr

Lucifer/Satan/Devil, are all the same. They may be different bodies, but they all possess the same characteristics.

Even stranger, is that Jesus may be the same as all of those, as well.

Both Jesus and Lucifer identify themselves as the "Morning Star" in the Bible.

Rev 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"

Going even deeper, Lucifer was the name given to the most perfect angel God created (aka Light Bearer). As he was cast down from heaven, his name/title of Lucifer was taken away, and the name Satan/Devil was given to him.

Heres a nice link with some info [link to www.markbeast.com]

To All, Lucifer a bright and powerful Lanonadek Son (a spirit son of Michael of Nebadon)was the Sovereign of the System of Satania(one of the one thousand systems in Nebadon)who fell into ERROR,then the sin of PRIDE(self love and elevation of self over the WILL OF THE FATHER)and finally into iniquity when he started the Spiritual War in heaven two hundred thousand years ago!Lucifer sent his second in command Daligastia who was also a bright son of the Lanonadek Order out to all the Planetary Princes in the System of Satania to enlist them in his sedition and rebellion against the Heavenly Father and His Son Michael of Nebadon(a Paradise Creator Son,born of AT ONE MENT of Will of the First and Second Source and Center, THE FATHER and THE SON).Daligastia came down to our planet URANTIA, #606 of Satania and met with our Planetary Prince,whos name was Caligastia and enlisted him in the USURPATION! Upon this action the planet was put into immediate Spiritual Quarantine.Daligastia and Caligastia two individual Spirit persons are incorrectly thought to be the one known as SATAN. Satan means Adversary. The Lucifer rebellion started more than two hundred thousand years ago and ended in 1984 with the Adjudication of the ones of the principalities of darkness,who chose not to accept The Fathers Forgiveness and chose uncreation instead.All the higher realms have had justice applied,only the realm of the density of matter and the ones born on birth spheres have yet to finish their choosing.To Be or not to Be,To Be in the presence of The Father and His and our Family or not.The Evil ones chose not to Be,do not follow them choose to Be. [link to www.urantia.org] the white rose

licifer is your treiner in the path , the one you have to pass all the most difficul test. Now satan is your egos all of them as one big army working for one big razon , not to let you pass the test.......

Thanks I never even noticed that before, you kinda floored me with that. BTW you owe me a new keyboard since I spit my tea all over it lmao



I will be checking this link out defintly!!!

Lucifer is no longer the morning star

Mary, the Mother of Jesus is now the morning star.

Malachi Martin (see u tube) was an Exorcist in NYC

he indicated that satan/lucifer are seperate evil entities

Sorry bout the keyboard, but no problem with the eye opener.

I'm not Christian myself, but I have studied many religions just to know what they're trying to pull.

Believe in God, not in a written book. The Bible/Torah/Quran/Popul Vuh, etc... may have been writen with divine influence, but divine influence isn't only the influence of God; The devil influences people as well.

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Lucifer was his name before being cast down from heaven. Satan is his name now, and until his end.

Agreed, I do believe in him
Have you studied the Mormon, Thats some fun reading there
Right now im looking at the Urinatia thing sounds like scientology to me

im white but i satan satan are white people , as they are always differnt people who test the righttious , and as white people dont believe in the real god , but they believe in the church vatican aka the beast , they are the antichrist .... not me though i worship yahweh

Since neither exists, and were invented in different ideologies you may as well say yes.

I haven't looked into either, I always assumed Mormonism to be a type of Christian/Catholic type religion.
I believe you meant Urantia? I never heard of it, but from looking into it, it does seem a little like scientology, mixed with some Jesus and universe history.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Looks interesting, but I don't take any religion with more than a grain of salt. There is too much out there to believe, it makes me wish that the whole world believed in one religion, without the whole NWO thing.

Being white has nothing to do with religion. There are white Muslims, Buddhists, Satanists, Freemasons, the list goes on&on&on

Your handle rings true

chapter and verse in the Bible?

Oh, you can't because it isn't there

stop blaspheming the word of God

OP, I gave you actual quotes from the Bible explaining that Lucifer (morning star or venus was a reference to power)

was just a human king of Babylon (the Bible tells you that)


and I also gave you Bible quotes to show you that satan is not really a person but a role


but you ignore the Biblical explanations and went with the nutty folks who have made it all up

Can you give even one verse saying either of these things?

NO you can not


since "lucifer" is only in the Bible the one time referring to the king of babylon

and satan is not a person but a ROLE

Stick it up your urantia. Pure fantasy from the likes of L. Ron Hubbard. Not even good Sci-Fi. Channeled hackery, from lying spirits that hate your guts. These earthbound spirits are cursed, stuck here until the last day. Why were they curse when they had flesh? Because they stripped this planet of resources, then started to hunt, and eat humans.

Thats is the history of these failures.

Exactly right. Satan is an office, a position. Doing his job, just like death.

Go to my link for your answer.

As far as bible chapters and verses, I showed how Jesus and Lucifer are the same being.

I didn't blaspheme the word of God.

Babylon is nothing but a representation of a powerful country with evil purposes.

The Babylon of old was a country devoted on creating a tower big enough to reach heaven. It's fall was what created the languages of today, as everyone spoke the same language prior to that.

The Babylon of today is (most likely) America, as it has huge military strength and strikes fear in people, while claiming to be doing things for the greater good.

Because of that, you can't just associate Lucifer with Babylon. The Bible is full of representations, such as the beast in revelations, with his crowns and horns representing demons and false prophets.

Lucifer was mistranslated ...the verse in Isaiah is talking about a Babylonian King

never meant to mean satan



Lucifer means: bright and morning star

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]


Yahshua is the bright and morning star


Rev 22:16
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.




[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Traditionally, Lucifer (English pronunciation:/ˈluːsɪfər, ljuːsɪfər/) is a name that in English generally refers to the devil before being cast from heaven, although this is not the original meaning of the term. In Latin, from which the English word is derived, Lucifer means "light-bearer" (from the words lucem ferre). It was the name given to the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, which heralds daylight. For this meaning, English generally uses the names "Morning Star" or "Day Star", and rarely "Lucifer".

Use of the name "Lucifer" for the devil stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3–20, a passage that does not speak of any fallen angel but of the defeat of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer).[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. It is only in post-New Testament times that the Latin word Lucifer was used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him prior to his fall from Heaven.

if by same being you mean non-existent, then yes you are 100% correct

it is possible for them to manifest as thought-forms sourced from fear and paranoia but they would be illusions. anyone with courage will "slay" them and come to this realisation