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citizenperth
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oh, and your opinion matters twat mr shag my leg lap-dog shill.. you are a shame to the japanese community that give a shit.....
fuck off and stop annoying people on threads, you are a non-argument... at least atom-boy has the guts to stand by what his argument is, regardless of whether or not we agree... grow some balls you dishonerable and shamefull little man... think of the fate of your nation and children...
 Quoting: citizenperth


hard to believe your in your 40s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9135766


hard to believe they let you out of your cage....
iamwith
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Your clearly inebriated...again.
I suggest you get off the internet before further embarrasing yourself.
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you're.. is the suggested spelling....
drunk you are?
to suggest something of someone you do not know, nor are anywhere near about, is rather incredulous....
you are also stealing a thread that you have nothing to offer to. whilst i and atom-boy do not agree at levels... he is not stealing my threads, nor am i his... we debate... so go and pull that finger out of your ass.. and stop trolling me.. it is one thing to troll my threads... leave atom-boy to his own, we have agreed to disagree, but share the same warnings and messages... you AC, are a continual wanker, and as seen transparently as such....

I would rather argue about important things with atom than an idiot like you.... i will now have his back... dickwad.... thanks....

Last Edited by Citizenperth on 01/19/2012 11:11 AM
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oh, and your opinion matters twat mr shag my leg lap-dog shill.. you are a shame to the japanese community that give a shit.....
fuck off and stop annoying people on threads, you are a non-argument... at least atom-boy has the guts to stand by what his argument is, regardless of whether or not we agree... grow some balls you dishonerable and shamefull little man... think of the fate of your nation and children...
 Quoting: citizenperth


hard to believe your in your 40s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9135766


hard to believe they let you out of your cage....
iamwith
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Your clearly inebriated...again.
I suggest you get off the internet before further embarrasing yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9135766


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@ Cp,

your last few Posts are, again, a perfect example for your
high interest to derail literally every Fukushima Thread
that do not serve your own bloody interests!

You using types of "Godwin's Law" to do so,
i asked you for many times to stay out of my Threads
as long as i and others can't post in your own Threads,
this sound strange but we need to dig much deeper
into the Rabbit Hole than you are ever able to look!

Your behavior is like a 3-7 year old Child
who create a catastrophic Christmas for everyone
because Mother have no time to play with you!
Stop this childish jealousy!

I am not pro Nuclear,
and your whole listing do not serve his purpose.

Please refrain from answering!
G.Y.!B.E.
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@ Cp,

your last few Posts are, again, a perfect example for your
high interest to derail literally every Fukushima Thread
that do not serve your own bloody interests!

You using types of "Godwin's Law" to do so,
i asked you for many times to stay out of my Threads
as long as i and others can't post in your own Threads,
this sound strange but we need to dig much deeper
into the Rabbit Hole than you are ever able to look!

Your behavior is like a 3-7 year old Child
who create a catastrophic Christmas for everyone
because Mother have no time to play with you!
Stop this childish jealousy!

I am not pro Nuclear,
and your whole listing do not serve his purpose.

Please refrain from answering!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


feel free to delete all of my threads here then... how's that?

jealous?... of what???.... the only argument i have with you is your prior pro-nuclear stance and your flip-flop... many have seen it so stop with your own childish behaviour.... we are both "apparently" after the same culprits.. you seem to be the one seeking fame... i seek to inform....

Thread: Fukushima reactors are in cold shutdown/ and i don't mind!

remember this thread preytell?

ok.. i'm now officially off rant and off "your" thread as requested....

Last Edited by Citizenperth on 01/19/2012 10:37 PM
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I am sorry but i can't delete or ban you from this Thread,
my Account is just a normal one and do not hold this high Benefit-Option for us, People warned me already in the beginning about this, but great- finally you are able to cooperate!

bye

and back to the topic! rockon

This was the Entry Posting,
what is wrong with my Statement!

TOKYO: The Japanese government on Friday declared reactors at the tsunami-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant
to be in a state of cold shutdown, media reports said.

Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told a nuclear taskforce meeting that the crippled Fukushima reactors
"have reached a state of cold shutdown to the point where the accident is now under control", Jiji Press reported.

[link to www.channelnewsasia.com]

Maybe they have now enough time to focus on the real damage
they have done!

There are still to many questions unanswered!

Still close to 100.000 People are living far away from home,
old People bereaved from their old Houses and Friends.

We still have huge amounts of polluted soil and rubble.

I doubt that the Japanese Government get a chance
to restart our Nuclear Plants, even with this
"not even half real" Shutdown,
they used Tepconican and Orwellian Language here!

What is a real Shut down?
Dozo: [link to en.wikipedia.org]


Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 01/19/2012 10:45 PM
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I am sorry but i can't delete or ban you from this Thread,
my Account is just a normal one and do not hold this high Benefit-Option for us, People warned me already in the beginning about this, but great- finally you are able to cooperate!

bye

and back to the topic! rockon

This was the Entry Posting,
what is wrong with my Statement!

TOKYO: The Japanese government on Friday declared reactors at the tsunami-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant
to be in a state of cold shutdown, media reports said.

Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told a nuclear taskforce meeting that the crippled Fukushima reactors
"have reached a state of cold shutdown to the point where the accident is now under control", Jiji Press reported.

[link to www.channelnewsasia.com]

Maybe they have now enough time to focus on the real damage
they have done!

There are still to many questions unanswered!

Still close to 100.000 People are living far away from home,
old People bereaved from their old Houses and Friends.

We still have huge amounts of polluted soil and rubble.

I doubt that the Japanese Government get a chance
to restart our Nuclear Plants, even with this
"not even half real" Shutdown,
they used Tepconican and Orwellian Language here!

What is a real Shut down?
Dozo: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Its a relief that a major catastrophe has been diverted and i am glad that we can now begin to rebuild our lives.It will be years before we know how much damage was cuased.

I am going to holiday in March becuase i think it will be depressing for be in Tohoku.My mother and father are still missing and my son drowned in his car.I think they would understand that i take holiday for this time.
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I am sorry but i can't delete or ban you from this Thread,
my Account is just a normal one and do not hold this high Benefit-Option for us, People warned me already in the beginning about this, but great- finally you are able to cooperate!

bye

and back to the topic! rockon

This was the Entry Posting,
what is wrong with my Statement!

TOKYO: The Japanese government on Friday declared reactors at the tsunami-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant
to be in a state of cold shutdown, media reports said.

Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told a nuclear taskforce meeting that the crippled Fukushima reactors
"have reached a state of cold shutdown to the point where the accident is now under control", Jiji Press reported.

[link to www.channelnewsasia.com]

Maybe they have now enough time to focus on the real damage
they have done!

There are still to many questions unanswered!

Still close to 100.000 People are living far away from home,
old People bereaved from their old Houses and Friends.

We still have huge amounts of polluted soil and rubble.

I doubt that the Japanese Government get a chance
to restart our Nuclear Plants, even with this
"not even half real" Shutdown,
they used Tepconican and Orwellian Language here!

What is a real Shut down?
Dozo: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Its a relief that a major catastrophe has been diverted and i am glad that we can now begin to rebuild our lives.It will be years before we know how much damage was cuased.

I am going to holiday in March becuase i think it will be depressing for be in Tohoku.My mother and father are still missing and my son drowned in his car.I think they would understand that i take holiday for this time.
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sorry for your loss, I hope you your holiday helps.
I too am glad that a major disaster is on the road to recovery.
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I found this Video
and we can see what is waiting for us in F'Shima!

This is from a Pro-Nuke Side, i am not but i like
to use their Info!

Three Miles Island Clean Up!
The effort to remove the damaged fuel from the TMI Unit 2 nuclear plant required a great deal of creativity in tool making along with some skillful manipulation of devices at the end of 30 foot long handles. This highlight video is extremely instructive and shows what the people assigned to the task of cleaning up at Fukushima might face. It offers a lot of hope as well - since the effort was a big success.




and


Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 01/20/2012 05:16 AM
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Hello guys, Ive been lurking on this and the other threads about fukushima since the start.

Ive read all the "shill" posts, ive read all the bantering between posters, etc etc.

Ive grown as tired of the subject as you all.

Coming here today and reading the last page, which is what I do to catch up, it is clear that some of you are starting to suffer from "fukushima fatigue"

I myself last night was dreaming about "CHIBA" someplace in Japan, and things were getting pretty rough. A huge earthquake happened in my dream and many many people buried, oh and neil young was playing his guitar as the moon began crashing into the earth!!!@!!!

So, yeah after all this time, its firmly in my dreams. Im getting tired.

I am no longer supprised anymore, to read the latest news, which seems to be slowly but SURELY being told in more and more openess.

I think that the Japanese government has decided that people are "ready" to really hear whats going on. So more and more will come out now.For instance the relavation that 5 workers died onsite in the first couple of days!!!

It took all this time to say this? Why on earth all this time?? I am quite sure that hundreds have died, or are going to from exposure allready recieved.

The reality of fukushima is so huge its almost unspeakable.The number of cancer deaths and instances will climb higher and higher from now on.

So to will the sudden deaths from heart attacks.

Before it was hair falling out, (which alone is crazy) then came the fingernails, now its teeth. Fuck!

Something like 4 out of EVERY 6 field mice are deformed!!

Then there is the mutated plants and vegetables. etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!

It is now beyond plain to see how bad things are. The entire area known as "fukushima" is uninhabitable. Period.

And a much greater area again is contaminated to the extent that no smart person with the ability to leave, should stay. Companies are now starting the transition of moving there base to other countries. Products are being removed from shelves.

All this since march!!! and we still dont really know whats going on at "daiini" nor the extent of damage at reactors 5+6 at fuku, nor the long term prognosis of reactor 4 spent fuel pool!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!

We dont have to be cursing each other online when the real world is dying around us.

My Mother had a cancerous tumour removed from her body two days ago, now they are talking "chemo" and my father is convinced that the situation for our mother is very, very bad.

I now know what this feels like.

I keep crying every few hours every time I think of my mother.

I can now know what its going to be like for millions of parents giving birth to dead babies in Japan.

And all the parents of babies born with defomaties, and brain damage.

And all the children who's parentrs will die leaving them behind.

The reality is very very sobering.

Citizenperth/atomboy et al please refrain from abusing each other, 'cause it really is childish. Now is the time for common sence and maturity.
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@Poster above,

i like your Posting because it is in a way very honest
but you also reach a highly dangerous Point,
you call it "Fukushima Fatigue",
this happen only when you are not able to locate
the next Sunrise,
people will lose hope when they read only bad News,
and many News in the so called "alternative Media"
focusing only on bad News!

But there is still hope and we here in Japan and everywhere
else will never give up this hope, we will go on
and do what ever is needed to finish this Disaster!!!

In my Opinion the damage is much smaller than many People think, many see only Death, Cancer and Suffering
but this is never ever all and everything!

The contamination from Cesium will vanish very quick,
in 3-5 Generations we will already reach a point
where the decreasing Level is unstoppable
(no other word for this)

The Area with Plutonium and other heavy Nuclear Particles is small
and can be cleaned, the Stuff stored in a Safe-Cask!

And the Sea will recover too,
maybe this Off-Time even help the Fish Population!

I am only skeptical about our Ionosphere
because we do not know what is happen there
but any/ or everything else is not the end for Fukushima,
for Japan and not for us- the Human-Kind!

PS; you wrote "Before it was hair falling out, (which alone is crazy) then came the fingernails, now its teeth. Fuck!"

This Women is afaik debunked or do not want help at all!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 01/20/2012 06:43 AM
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Hello guys, Ive been lurking on this and the other threads about fukushima since the start.

Ive read all the "shill" posts, ive read all the bantering between posters, etc etc.

Ive grown as tired of the subject as you all.

Coming here today and reading the last page, which is what I do to catch up, it is clear that some of you are starting to suffer from "fukushima fatigue"

I myself last night was dreaming about "CHIBA" someplace in Japan, and things were getting pretty rough. A huge earthquake happened in my dream and many many people buried, oh and neil young was playing his guitar as the moon began crashing into the earth!!!@!!!

So, yeah after all this time, its firmly in my dreams. Im getting tired.

I am no longer supprised anymore, to read the latest news, which seems to be slowly but SURELY being told in more and more openess.

I think that the Japanese government has decided that people are "ready" to really hear whats going on. So more and more will come out now.For instance the relavation that 5 workers died onsite in the first couple of days!!!

It took all this time to say this? Why on earth all this time?? I am quite sure that hundreds have died, or are going to from exposure allready recieved.

The reality of fukushima is so huge its almost unspeakable.The number of cancer deaths and instances will climb higher and higher from now on.

So to will the sudden deaths from heart attacks.

Before it was hair falling out, (which alone is crazy) then came the fingernails, now its teeth. Fuck!

Something like 4 out of EVERY 6 field mice are deformed!!

Then there is the mutated plants and vegetables. etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!

It is now beyond plain to see how bad things are. The entire area known as "fukushima" is uninhabitable. Period.

And a much greater area again is contaminated to the extent that no smart person with the ability to leave, should stay. Companies are now starting the transition of moving there base to other countries. Products are being removed from shelves.

All this since march!!! and we still dont really know whats going on at "daiini" nor the extent of damage at reactors 5+6 at fuku, nor the long term prognosis of reactor 4 spent fuel pool!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!

We dont have to be cursing each other online when the real world is dying around us.

My Mother had a cancerous tumour removed from her body two days ago, now they are talking "chemo" and my father is convinced that the situation for our mother is very, very bad.

I now know what this feels like.

I keep crying every few hours every time I think of my mother.

I can now know what its going to be like for millions of parents giving birth to dead babies in Japan.

And all the parents of babies born with defomaties, and brain damage.

And all the children who's parentrs will die leaving them behind.

The reality is very very sobering.

Citizenperth/atomboy et al please refrain from abusing each other, 'cause it really is childish. Now is the time for common sence and maturity.
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drama

your as brainwashed as citizenperth.
citizenperth
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Hello guys, Ive been lurking on this and the other threads about fukushima since the start.

Ive read all the "shill" posts, ive read all the bantering between posters, etc etc.

Ive grown as tired of the subject as you all.

Coming here today and reading the last page, which is what I do to catch up, it is clear that some of you are starting to suffer from "fukushima fatigue"

I myself last night was dreaming about "CHIBA" someplace in Japan, and things were getting pretty rough. A huge earthquake happened in my dream and many many people buried, oh and neil young was playing his guitar as the moon began crashing into the earth!!!@!!!

So, yeah after all this time, its firmly in my dreams. Im getting tired.

I am no longer supprised anymore, to read the latest news, which seems to be slowly but SURELY being told in more and more openess.

I think that the Japanese government has decided that people are "ready" to really hear whats going on. So more and more will come out now.For instance the relavation that 5 workers died onsite in the first couple of days!!!

It took all this time to say this? Why on earth all this time?? I am quite sure that hundreds have died, or are going to from exposure allready recieved.

The reality of fukushima is so huge its almost unspeakable.The number of cancer deaths and instances will climb higher and higher from now on.

So to will the sudden deaths from heart attacks.

Before it was hair falling out, (which alone is crazy) then came the fingernails, now its teeth. Fuck!

Something like 4 out of EVERY 6 field mice are deformed!!

Then there is the mutated plants and vegetables. etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!

It is now beyond plain to see how bad things are. The entire area known as "fukushima" is uninhabitable. Period.

And a much greater area again is contaminated to the extent that no smart person with the ability to leave, should stay. Companies are now starting the transition of moving there base to other countries. Products are being removed from shelves.

All this since march!!! and we still dont really know whats going on at "daiini" nor the extent of damage at reactors 5+6 at fuku, nor the long term prognosis of reactor 4 spent fuel pool!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!

We dont have to be cursing each other online when the real world is dying around us.

My Mother had a cancerous tumour removed from her body two days ago, now they are talking "chemo" and my father is convinced that the situation for our mother is very, very bad.

I now know what this feels like.

I keep crying every few hours every time I think of my mother.

I can now know what its going to be like for millions of parents giving birth to dead babies in Japan.

And all the parents of babies born with defomaties, and brain damage.

And all the children who's parentrs will die leaving them behind.

The reality is very very sobering.

Citizenperth/atomboy et al please refrain from abusing each other, 'cause it really is childish. Now is the time for common sence and maturity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9201946


drama

your as brainwashed as citizenperth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9205124


i spoke with atom-boy about not trolling his posts for disagreement... i never said iwouln't stand up and bitch slap you you shill... stfu and pull your finger out.. leave atom-boy's thread alone.... dickwad....

@Anonymous Coward 9201946 feel free to speak your mind.... (this particular AC is here to insert fear and worry into people that believe this situation isn't safe)... and it isn't, the more we all talk about it, the more that may be done... sry for bumping back on atom..... carry on.... shill? fuck off.. everyone knows you now.... happy days




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Last Edited by Citizenperth on 01/20/2012 07:27 AM
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In areas in the Ukraine, the cesium levels have increased rather than decreased. They dont know why but the "half/life" seems to be more then thought.

Its not hard to look up some statistics about the effects of chernobyl on health and cancer rates, especially the effects on children. Leaukemia (acute) is awfully high, in the Ukraine today, after all this time.

What I was trying to get across, but failed, was that the sheer amount of nuclear fuel that has been disspersed to the enviroment ALLREADY is just enormous. It defies belief that people havebt come to terms with or can see that.

The future effects of all this radiation, will be VERY visible in the next "couple" of years.

There is no doubt, no question at all, that evacuations will extend many MANY kilometres out of fukushima.

Thats the trouble with radiation. It takes time, and an accumalation of particles to cause cancer.

Depending on "what" you have recieved and in what quantities, varies as to how quick you develop cancers.

They are allready reporting multibles of different types of cancers within the one patient, many times over.
Because this is happening so quickly, instead of next year or the year after that, says very clearly that the rate of absorbtion of radioactive particles is extremely high.

Plutonium is another kettle of fish alltogeather. Plutonium is "one" of the most deadly substances known to man, many many times more "poisoness" than "plain old" uranium, (uraniums half life is measured in millions of years)

Number 3 I think was the "mox" fuelled reactor that blew sky high. Its entire inventory of plutonium/uranium mix was turned instantly to tiny tiny little particles. And disspersed high in the sky, these little babies have coated entire forests and the landscape at large. It is hard for me to put this in any other words.

The culmative affect of all this disspersion, is that huge areas of land are now PERMANANTLY contaminated. Every time a single molecule of water is drawn up out of the ground, it will carry any number of radioactive particles with it, and then wherever the wind blows.

It is easy to "smile" and blissfully be unaware. And I certainly dont want anybody to think that I think less of you for it. It is hard to bury ones head in the soil.

The mutations and dying off of plants and trees in Japan is really only the "start" of what is to come.

There is no such thing as "decontamination" of radionuclides from such a vast area of land. It is simply impossible. Back in world war two (and Im sorry to use this analogy, please forgive me) Your head of government at the time new that war against America was futile. But he was pressured into attacking by heads of industry. He was quoted at the time as saying that Japan would "run wild" for six to twevle months, after that, nobody knew.

I cant remember if it was "Yamamoto" or whoever, the point is that so called "decontamination" in the style your government seems to be attempting is the same as going to war against something that cannot be beaten. All they will end up with is a lot of dead "de-contaminators"

When we turn on a light switch and the light comes on from the electricity, we "see" the electricity in the form of light.radiation is not entirely invisible. With the correct equipment it can be "seen" using special aparatus.

Where scientists have "looked" in japan so far, hundreds and hundreds of square kilometers are "glowing" or "twinkling" there is really that much "damage" out there.
To even think of "cleaning this mess up" is quite frankly absurd. Its like saying your going to capture all the air, or you are going to dig up all the ground.

When they show you pressure cleaning of roadside curbing to "decontaminate" remember this, a radioactive particle is so small that they dont just blow in the air and gently land on the curb, but rather they will land INSIDE the curb! the only way to "clean" is to remove! So what are they going to do? are they going to dig up the entire nation of Japan and deposit it in the ocean? of course not.

We are talking here of huge concepts, because thats what they are. Massive, absolutely massive damage has allready been inflicted on Japan, and continues to today.

When they talk of trillions of bequerals, remember that we number 7 billion, one trillion radioactive isotopes spread out over one billion is really like saying you just killed everyone in the world several times over.

The number of radioactive isotopes being produced EVERY HOUR SINCE MARCH 11 is astronomical.

We can "smile" and pretend everything is going to be ok, I can smile and pretend my mother does not have cancer, its not really going to help though is it?

I undertsand your wish that in a few years everything will be back to normal. And can identify with the feelings of doom and gloom, and also the need to keep up a "stiff upper lip"

At the end of the day, reality allways wins out. And the reality in Japan is so bad, so unspeakably bad that your own government is doing all it can to not say anything.
This much should tell you.
At the end of the war for Berlin, the german government was telling the people that the enemy was on the run, even while the soviets were fighting street to street!
Its what a govenrment does when it doesnt know what to do. they lie. They say anything they can to hold off the awfull truth that they have "failed"
Just as the italian captain, who climbing into the liferaft, was living at that moment in denial.

Please understand I dont wish to cause you any anxiety or worry or fear.

The nuclear industry has done that all by itself.

Peace........................
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In areas in the Ukraine, the cesium levels have increased rather than decreased. They dont know why but the "half/life" seems to be more then thought.

Its not hard to look up some statistics about the effects of chernobyl on health and cancer rates, especially the effects on children. Leaukemia (acute) is awfully high, in the Ukraine today, after all this time.

What I was trying to get across, but failed, was that the sheer amount of nuclear fuel that has been disspersed to the enviroment ALLREADY is just enormous. It defies belief that people havebt come to terms with or can see that.

The future effects of all this radiation, will be VERY visible in the next "couple" of years.

There is no doubt, no question at all, that evacuations will extend many MANY kilometres out of fukushima.

Thats the trouble with radiation. It takes time, and an accumalation of particles to cause cancer.

Depending on "what" you have recieved and in what quantities, varies as to how quick you develop cancers.

They are allready reporting multibles of different types of cancers within the one patient, many times over.
Because this is happening so quickly, instead of next year or the year after that, says very clearly that the rate of absorbtion of radioactive particles is extremely high.

Plutonium is another kettle of fish alltogeather. Plutonium is "one" of the most deadly substances known to man, many many times more "poisoness" than "plain old" uranium, (uraniums half life is measured in millions of years)

Number 3 I think was the "mox" fuelled reactor that blew sky high. Its entire inventory of plutonium/uranium mix was turned instantly to tiny tiny little particles. And disspersed high in the sky, these little babies have coated entire forests and the landscape at large. It is hard for me to put this in any other words.

The culmative affect of all this disspersion, is that huge areas of land are now PERMANANTLY contaminated. Every time a single molecule of water is drawn up out of the ground, it will carry any number of radioactive particles with it, and then wherever the wind blows.

It is easy to "smile" and blissfully be unaware. And I certainly dont want anybody to think that I think less of you for it. It is hard to bury ones head in the soil.

The mutations and dying off of plants and trees in Japan is really only the "start" of what is to come.

There is no such thing as "decontamination" of radionuclides from such a vast area of land. It is simply impossible. Back in world war two (and Im sorry to use this analogy, please forgive me) Your head of government at the time new that war against America was futile. But he was pressured into attacking by heads of industry. He was quoted at the time as saying that Japan would "run wild" for six to twevle months, after that, nobody knew.

I cant remember if it was "Yamamoto" or whoever, the point is that so called "decontamination" in the style your government seems to be attempting is the same as going to war against something that cannot be beaten. All they will end up with is a lot of dead "de-contaminators"

When we turn on a light switch and the light comes on from the electricity, we "see" the electricity in the form of light.radiation is not entirely invisible. With the correct equipment it can be "seen" using special aparatus.

Where scientists have "looked" in japan so far, hundreds and hundreds of square kilometers are "glowing" or "twinkling" there is really that much "damage" out there.
To even think of "cleaning this mess up" is quite frankly absurd. Its like saying your going to capture all the air, or you are going to dig up all the ground.

When they show you pressure cleaning of roadside curbing to "decontaminate" remember this, a radioactive particle is so small that they dont just blow in the air and gently land on the curb, but rather they will land INSIDE the curb! the only way to "clean" is to remove! So what are they going to do? are they going to dig up the entire nation of Japan and deposit it in the ocean? of course not.

We are talking here of huge concepts, because thats what they are. Massive, absolutely massive damage has allready been inflicted on Japan, and continues to today.

When they talk of trillions of bequerals, remember that we number 7 billion, one trillion radioactive isotopes spread out over one billion is really like saying you just killed everyone in the world several times over.

The number of radioactive isotopes being produced EVERY HOUR SINCE MARCH 11 is astronomical.

We can "smile" and pretend everything is going to be ok, I can smile and pretend my mother does not have cancer, its not really going to help though is it?

I undertsand your wish that in a few years everything will be back to normal. And can identify with the feelings of doom and gloom, and also the need to keep up a "stiff upper lip"

At the end of the day, reality allways wins out. And the reality in Japan is so bad, so unspeakably bad that your own government is doing all it can to not say anything.
This much should tell you.
At the end of the war for Berlin, the german government was telling the people that the enemy was on the run, even while the soviets were fighting street to street!
Its what a govenrment does when it doesnt know what to do. they lie. They say anything they can to hold off the awfull truth that they have "failed"
Just as the italian captain, who climbing into the liferaft, was living at that moment in denial.

Please understand I dont wish to cause you any anxiety or worry or fear.

The nuclear industry has done that all by itself.

Peace........................
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9204146


the isotopes they allude to are of many that exist... so they can live very short lives... or many millions of years, even in the case of cecium...TEPCO have only monitored the short lived ones for obvious reasons...
here's a link...

(many of which are man made)

[link to astro.berkeley.edu]

EG: Uranium-238 4,468,000,000 year half life: common (half life)
is what the plants enrich... nice huh?

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Hello guys, Ive been lurking on this and the other threads about fukushima since the start.

Ive read all the "shill" posts, ive read all the bantering between posters, etc etc.

Ive grown as tired of the subject as you all.

Coming here today and reading the last page, which is what I do to catch up, it is clear that some of you are starting to suffer from "fukushima fatigue"

I myself last night was dreaming about "CHIBA" someplace in Japan, and things were getting pretty rough. A huge earthquake happened in my dream and many many people buried, oh and neil young was playing his guitar as the moon began crashing into the earth!!!@!!!

So, yeah after all this time, its firmly in my dreams. Im getting tired.

I am no longer supprised anymore, to read the latest news, which seems to be slowly but SURELY being told in more and more openess.

I think that the Japanese government has decided that people are "ready" to really hear whats going on. So more and more will come out now.For instance the relavation that 5 workers died onsite in the first couple of days!!!

It took all this time to say this? Why on earth all this time?? I am quite sure that hundreds have died, or are going to from exposure allready recieved.

The reality of fukushima is so huge its almost unspeakable.The number of cancer deaths and instances will climb higher and higher from now on.

So to will the sudden deaths from heart attacks.

Before it was hair falling out, (which alone is crazy) then came the fingernails, now its teeth. Fuck!

Something like 4 out of EVERY 6 field mice are deformed!!

Then there is the mutated plants and vegetables. etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!

It is now beyond plain to see how bad things are. The entire area known as "fukushima" is uninhabitable. Period.

And a much greater area again is contaminated to the extent that no smart person with the ability to leave, should stay. Companies are now starting the transition of moving there base to other countries. Products are being removed from shelves.

All this since march!!! and we still dont really know whats going on at "daiini" nor the extent of damage at reactors 5+6 at fuku, nor the long term prognosis of reactor 4 spent fuel pool!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!

We dont have to be cursing each other online when the real world is dying around us.

My Mother had a cancerous tumour removed from her body two days ago, now they are talking "chemo" and my father is convinced that the situation for our mother is very, very bad.

I now know what this feels like.

I keep crying every few hours every time I think of my mother.

I can now know what its going to be like for millions of parents giving birth to dead babies in Japan.

And all the parents of babies born with defomaties, and brain damage.

And all the children who's parentrs will die leaving them behind.

The reality is very very sobering.

Citizenperth/atomboy et al please refrain from abusing each other, 'cause it really is childish. Now is the time for common sence and maturity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9201946


drama

your as brainwashed as citizenperth.
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i spoke with atom-boy about not trolling his posts for disagreement... i never said iwouln't stand up and bitch slap you you shill... stfu and pull your finger out.. leave atom-boy's thread alone.... dickwad....

@Anonymous Coward 9201946 feel free to speak your mind.... (this particular AC is here to insert fear and worry into people that believe this situation isn't safe)... and it isn't, the more we all talk about it, the more that may be done... sry for bumping back on atom..... carry on.... shill? fuck off.. everyone knows you now.... happy days




:small happy:
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ok.. i'm now officially off rant and off "your" thread as requested....

didnt think you could help yourself.
its friday tonight, you hitting the bottle hard this evening?
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Plutonium is another kettle of fish alltogeather. Plutonium is "one" of the most deadly substances known to man, many many times more "poisoness" than "plain old" uranium, (uraniums half life is measured in millions of years)

Number 3 I think was the "mox" fuelled reactor that blew sky high. Its entire inventory of plutonium/uranium mix was turned instantly to tiny tiny little particles. And disspersed high in the sky, these little babies have coated entire forests and the landscape at large. It is hard for me to put this in any other words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9204146


What we saw at the Explosion from Nr. 3 was not the Core itself!

When Nr. 3 Core explode you will be not able to work in that areas until the end of our days!

Something like this happened in Chernobyl
but not here!

Until now none of the Cores explode
and i hope we will never see something like this here
in Japan or anywhere else,
this is the main reason why we need to shut down
Nuclear Energy!
G.Y.!B.E.
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Plutonium is another kettle of fish alltogeather. Plutonium is "one" of the most deadly substances known to man, many many times more "poisoness" than "plain old" uranium, (uraniums half life is measured in millions of years)

Number 3 I think was the "mox" fuelled reactor that blew sky high. Its entire inventory of plutonium/uranium mix was turned instantly to tiny tiny little particles. And disspersed high in the sky, these little babies have coated entire forests and the landscape at large. It is hard for me to put this in any other words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9204146


What we saw at the Explosion from Nr. 3 was not the Core itself!

When Nr. 3 Core explode you will be not able to work in that areas until the end of our days!

Something like this happened in Chernobyl
but not here!

Until now none of the Cores explode
and i hope we will never see something like this here
in Japan or anywhere else,
this is the main reason why we need to shut down
Nuclear Energy!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Ok, So the fact that the spent fuel pool in number three is apparently gone, also tells us that something like forty years of spent fuel rods are now spread out over the Japanese landscape. And this is plutonium, as well as uranium.

And the fact that everywhere you go in fukushima the geiger counters are telling you to get out?

There are too many "facts" which stand out and seem to scream at me.

There is also the matter of the number 4 spent fuel pool.

I read recently that the word "spent" is a bit of a nice way of saying "unstable" !!!!!

This is because over time and continued use the zirconium cladding on the rods become "opaque" so that neautrons cant freely pass through them, this means that they become difficult to control. When they are placed (for years) in the "spent" fuel pool, they are extremely dangerously "hot" and must be handled with kid gloves.

The spent fuel pools were NEVER designed to accomadate thousands of rods, let alone 30 to 40 years worth.

They have found that the spent fuel pools over time build up a measure of "curium" which just so happens to be millions of times more deadly then even plutonium.

The number three spent fuel pool is now non existant. It was blown sky high, this is a fact.

There are quite a few posters here who seem to think that this is all doom and gloom (which it is) and that its all a load of bunk (which it isnt)

The simple facts seem hard for people to pick up.

The basic, though at times complex, issues of nuclear energy production are easy to understand, we heat water into steam, and that drives the turbines. Easy?

The bit that seems to escape people, is what happens when a nuclear facility explodes.

The seemingly quiet calm and peacefull nature of the aftermath of the exploded buildings, belies the microscopic and incredibly deadly undertones of nuclear action.

We cant see whats going on inside, we cant see the radiation, this does not mean its not there. People who think this is all going away some time soon, should really go back to school and this time, listen.

The earth is billions of years old.

Is this fact hard to understand?

Radiation is deadly.

this fact seems to immiediatly send some people mad and into denial.

Thats ok.

whats happening is happening, regardless.

I wish all of you well in japan, and hope you can escape, the country I mean. Australias pretty empty. For now!
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It is a little bit difficult to explain everything
again and again (my opinion what has happen there)

My Opinion is that none of the Cores is gone,
they are still inside the Primary Containment Vessel,
the Explosion you saw and the stuff that blow up
was the Hat/ Cap of the PCV but not the Vessel itself!

The SFP and how much Stuff was in there (Nr.3) is
still a miracle like the whole Explosion!

Nr. 4 SFP is okay, there was a confusion in the beginning
of the crisis but the damage is much smaller than we thought
in the first Week!

You are right that this SFP was never designed to hold
all this nasty Stuff but our Society was so hungry
and believed everything what Tepco and Friends told them,
so they agree to use Fuel without providing a working concept
for the Recycling!

At the moment the are removing the contaminated Debris
(according to their Reports and Roadmap)
And soon start to remove the Fuel!

SFP Nr. 4 is my and our biggest concern
and always when we have a Tremor i hope it is just here
and not in F`Shima!

Ah, and yes Radiation is deadly
but also helpful,
to use it to boil Water is insane,
the use in our Medicine is live saving!

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Plutonium is another kettle of fish alltogeather. Plutonium is "one" of the most deadly substances known to man, many many times more "poisoness" than "plain old" uranium, (uraniums half life is measured in millions of years)

Number 3 I think was the "mox" fuelled reactor that blew sky high. Its entire inventory of plutonium/uranium mix was turned instantly to tiny tiny little particles. And disspersed high in the sky, these little babies have coated entire forests and the landscape at large. It is hard for me to put this in any other words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9204146


What we saw at the Explosion from Nr. 3 was not the Core itself!

When Nr. 3 Core explode you will be not able to work in that areas until the end of our days!

Something like this happened in Chernobyl
but not here!

Until now none of the Cores explode
and i hope we will never see something like this here
in Japan or anywhere else,
this is the main reason why we need to shut down
Nuclear Energy!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Ok, So the fact that the spent fuel pool in number three is apparently gone, also tells us that something like forty years of spent fuel rods are now spread out over the Japanese landscape. And this is plutonium, as well as uranium.

And the fact that everywhere you go in fukushima the geiger counters are telling you to get out?

There are too many "facts" which stand out and seem to scream at me.

There is also the matter of the number 4 spent fuel pool.

I read recently that the word "spent" is a bit of a nice way of saying "unstable" !!!!!

This is because over time and continued use the zirconium cladding on the rods become "opaque" so that neautrons cant freely pass through them, this means that they become difficult to control. When they are placed (for years) in the "spent" fuel pool, they are extremely dangerously "hot" and must be handled with kid gloves.

The spent fuel pools were NEVER designed to accomadate thousands of rods, let alone 30 to 40 years worth.

They have found that the spent fuel pools over time build up a measure of "curium" which just so happens to be millions of times more deadly then even plutonium.

The number three spent fuel pool is now non existant. It was blown sky high, this is a fact.

There are quite a few posters here who seem to think that this is all doom and gloom (which it is) and that its all a load of bunk (which it isnt)

The simple facts seem hard for people to pick up.

The basic, though at times complex, issues of nuclear energy production are easy to understand, we heat water into steam, and that drives the turbines. Easy?

The bit that seems to escape people, is what happens when a nuclear facility explodes.

The seemingly quiet calm and peacefull nature of the aftermath of the exploded buildings, belies the microscopic and incredibly deadly undertones of nuclear action.

We cant see whats going on inside, we cant see the radiation, this does not mean its not there. People who think this is all going away some time soon, should really go back to school and this time, listen.

The earth is billions of years old.

Is this fact hard to understand?

Radiation is deadly.

this fact seems to immiediatly send some people mad and into denial.

Thats ok.

whats happening is happening, regardless.

I wish all of you well in japan, and hope you can escape, the country I mean. Australias pretty empty. For now!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9206451


are you CitizenPerth in disguise?
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Plutonium is another kettle of fish alltogeather. Plutonium is "one" of the most deadly substances known to man, many many times more "poisoness" than "plain old" uranium, (uraniums half life is measured in millions of years)

Number 3 I think was the "mox" fuelled reactor that blew sky high. Its entire inventory of plutonium/uranium mix was turned instantly to tiny tiny little particles. And disspersed high in the sky, these little babies have coated entire forests and the landscape at large. It is hard for me to put this in any other words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9204146


What we saw at the Explosion from Nr. 3 was not the Core itself!

When Nr. 3 Core explode you will be not able to work in that areas until the end of our days!

Something like this happened in Chernobyl
but not here!

Until now none of the Cores explode
and i hope we will never see something like this here
in Japan or anywhere else,
this is the main reason why we need to shut down
Nuclear Energy!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Ok, So the fact that the spent fuel pool in number three is apparently gone, also tells us that something like forty years of spent fuel rods are now spread out over the Japanese landscape. And this is plutonium, as well as uranium.

And the fact that everywhere you go in fukushima the geiger counters are telling you to get out?

There are too many "facts" which stand out and seem to scream at me.

There is also the matter of the number 4 spent fuel pool.

I read recently that the word "spent" is a bit of a nice way of saying "unstable" !!!!!

This is because over time and continued use the zirconium cladding on the rods become "opaque" so that neautrons cant freely pass through them, this means that they become difficult to control. When they are placed (for years) in the "spent" fuel pool, they are extremely dangerously "hot" and must be handled with kid gloves.

The spent fuel pools were NEVER designed to accomadate thousands of rods, let alone 30 to 40 years worth.

They have found that the spent fuel pools over time build up a measure of "curium" which just so happens to be millions of times more deadly then even plutonium.

The number three spent fuel pool is now non existant. It was blown sky high, this is a fact.

There are quite a few posters here who seem to think that this is all doom and gloom (which it is) and that its all a load of bunk (which it isnt)

The simple facts seem hard for people to pick up.

The basic, though at times complex, issues of nuclear energy production are easy to understand, we heat water into steam, and that drives the turbines. Easy?

The bit that seems to escape people, is what happens when a nuclear facility explodes.

The seemingly quiet calm and peacefull nature of the aftermath of the exploded buildings, belies the microscopic and incredibly deadly undertones of nuclear action.

We cant see whats going on inside, we cant see the radiation, this does not mean its not there. People who think this is all going away some time soon, should really go back to school and this time, listen.

The earth is billions of years old.

Is this fact hard to understand?

Radiation is deadly.

this fact seems to immiediatly send some people mad and into denial.

Thats ok.

whats happening is happening, regardless.

I wish all of you well in japan, and hope you can escape, the country I mean. Australias pretty empty. For now!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9206451


are you CitizenPerth in disguise?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9207144


fuck off idiot... no it's not me... @atom boy.. i will email you.. this is not me, and this man needs to be banned for trying to derail your thread.. as i said, i promised to stay off it (but not promised to read it)... i will still slap this idiot for being a shill... the poster above had every right to post to your thread.. i am over any mis-information we had in the past...
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What we saw at the Explosion from Nr. 3 was not the Core itself!

When Nr. 3 Core explode you will be not able to work in that areas until the end of our days!

Something like this happened in Chernobyl
but not here!

Until now none of the Cores explode
and i hope we will never see something like this here
in Japan or anywhere else,
this is the main reason why we need to shut down
Nuclear Energy!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Ok, So the fact that the spent fuel pool in number three is apparently gone, also tells us that something like forty years of spent fuel rods are now spread out over the Japanese landscape. And this is plutonium, as well as uranium.

And the fact that everywhere you go in fukushima the geiger counters are telling you to get out?

There are too many "facts" which stand out and seem to scream at me.

There is also the matter of the number 4 spent fuel pool.

I read recently that the word "spent" is a bit of a nice way of saying "unstable" !!!!!

This is because over time and continued use the zirconium cladding on the rods become "opaque" so that neautrons cant freely pass through them, this means that they become difficult to control. When they are placed (for years) in the "spent" fuel pool, they are extremely dangerously "hot" and must be handled with kid gloves.

The spent fuel pools were NEVER designed to accomadate thousands of rods, let alone 30 to 40 years worth.

They have found that the spent fuel pools over time build up a measure of "curium" which just so happens to be millions of times more deadly then even plutonium.

The number three spent fuel pool is now non existant. It was blown sky high, this is a fact.

There are quite a few posters here who seem to think that this is all doom and gloom (which it is) and that its all a load of bunk (which it isnt)

The simple facts seem hard for people to pick up.

The basic, though at times complex, issues of nuclear energy production are easy to understand, we heat water into steam, and that drives the turbines. Easy?

The bit that seems to escape people, is what happens when a nuclear facility explodes.

The seemingly quiet calm and peacefull nature of the aftermath of the exploded buildings, belies the microscopic and incredibly deadly undertones of nuclear action.

We cant see whats going on inside, we cant see the radiation, this does not mean its not there. People who think this is all going away some time soon, should really go back to school and this time, listen.

The earth is billions of years old.

Is this fact hard to understand?

Radiation is deadly.

this fact seems to immiediatly send some people mad and into denial.

Thats ok.

whats happening is happening, regardless.

I wish all of you well in japan, and hope you can escape, the country I mean. Australias pretty empty. For now!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9206451


are you CitizenPerth in disguise?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9207144


fuck off idiot... no it's not me... @atom boy.. i will email you.. this is not me, and this man needs to be banned for trying to derail your thread.. as i said, i promised to stay off it (but not promised to read it)... i will still slap this idiot for being a shill... the poster above had every right to post to your thread.. i am over any mis-information we had in the past...
 Quoting: citizenperth


you get gayer by the day...do you ride around your house on a little tricycle with a red light on your head going "bee baa bee baa bee baa" Citizenperth in planet saving mode"

Go back to making your own drunken, fear mongering threads that no one reads and leave the adults in this thread to talk mmmk.......

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Go back to making your own drunken, fear mongering threads that no one reads and leave the adults in this thread to talk mmmk.......

dumbass
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shillyjp

stop using me to derail a thread.... gayer???... and calling me a c***? who is the immature one? you serve one purpose, and that is to discredit me for posting about fuku... wonder who has the agenda?

Last Edited by Citizenperth on 01/20/2012 09:56 PM
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Go back to making your own drunken, fear mongering threads that no one reads and leave the adults in this thread to talk mmmk.......

dumbass
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:shillyjp:

stop using me to derail a thread.... gayer???... and calling me a c***? who is the immature one? you serve one purpose, and that is to discredit me for posting about fuku... wonder who has the agenda?
 Quoting: citizenperth


go away.....
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It is a little bit difficult to explain everything
again and again (my opinion what has happen there)

My Opinion is that none of the Cores is gone,
they are still inside the Primary Containment Vessel,
the Explosion you saw and the stuff that blow up
was the Hat/ Cap of the PCV but not the Vessel itself!

The SFP and how much Stuff was in there (Nr.3) is
still a miracle like the whole Explosion!

Nr. 4 SFP is okay, there was a confusion in the beginning
of the crisis but the damage is much smaller than we thought
in the first Week!

You are right that this SFP was never designed to hold
all this nasty Stuff but our Society was so hungry
and believed everything what Tepco and Friends told them,
so they agree to use Fuel without providing a working concept
for the Recycling!

At the moment the are removing the contaminated Debris
(according to their Reports and Roadmap)
And soon start to remove the Fuel!

SFP Nr. 4 is my and our biggest concern
and always when we have a Tremor i hope it is just here
and not in F`Shima!

Ah, and yes Radiation is deadly
but also helpful,
to use it to boil Water is insane,
the use in our Medicine is live saving!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


lets agree to dissagree on some things, thats ok, Im sure your thinking the same as me, though this "roadmap" baloney is just that.

They wont be removing the fuel anytime soon. And I really do mean a long LONG time!

Its just too "hot" meaning the radiation is too much, also they simply CANNOT take the fuel rods out of water, if they do for ANY lenght of time they will combust.

Zirconium reacts with air (oxygen) by setting fire to itself, it just seems to hate air lol.

This of course complicates the small teeny matter of removing them from a hundred feet in the air, amongst debris, in an exploded building that no one can get near!

Bit of a problem!

The "roadmap" crap is just the government bying time and placating the masses.

Number three spent fuel pool is non existant. End of story.

have a look around there is lots of hd photos out there now which clearly show the damage to number three.

another point I think you are really missing here is that it doesnt matter anymore that three reactors have melted down, what is important to know here is that the spent fuel pools are the danger. There is more highly unstable dangerously "hot" fuel present in the number 4 sfp then ALL the reactors put together.

The number 4 sfp is located very high up in the building, which is now leaning over.

The danger that all this may collapse is present and very real. Science (mankind) has not the know how, nor the technology to deal with a situation such as this. If, and again it is not really a if but a when, this does happen, we are talking upwards of a thousand tonnes of highly enriched (well used, super hot, and uncontrollable) nuclear fuel melting in the daylight sun. Not contained, nor containable.

Have you heard much about reactors 5+6 lately??? are they still saying that they are in "cold shutdown conditions"????

Guess why they are saying that?

Where are the fukushima fifty??

What happened to HUNDREDS of workers?? where are they??

This "roadmap" crap really is political speak to silence real questions.

Ask yourself this, If they dont have a device opperable to measure anything, like temperature etc, How then can they say what the temperature is? Would you fly on a plane piloted by someone who didnt have any instruments and was basing there flightplan on a "roadmap"?????

This is what is happening, TEPCO is saying one thing when even WE know that it cannot be true??? Why has it taken all this time to go in with the endoscope, only to turn straight around and say they pop in for another look in oooh FIVE YEARS TIME????????

I have said before, and I realise you are trying to keep your head up, the situation is far worse then they want you to know.

Heres a golden rule for you to remember: expect the best, plan for the worst.

@citizenperth, keep on talking to atomboy buddy and do your best to ignore that other fucker, hes baiting you and you are letting him, just simply dont answer his posts he is a prick after all, the most he deserves is to be ignored.

All the best everyone, and good luck, we are all going to need it
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It is a little bit difficult to explain everything
again and again (my opinion what has happen there)

My Opinion is that none of the Cores is gone,
they are still inside the Primary Containment Vessel,
the Explosion you saw and the stuff that blow up
was the Hat/ Cap of the PCV but not the Vessel itself!

The SFP and how much Stuff was in there (Nr.3) is
still a miracle like the whole Explosion!

Nr. 4 SFP is okay, there was a confusion in the beginning
of the crisis but the damage is much smaller than we thought
in the first Week!

You are right that this SFP was never designed to hold
all this nasty Stuff but our Society was so hungry
and believed everything what Tepco and Friends told them,
so they agree to use Fuel without providing a working concept
for the Recycling!

At the moment the are removing the contaminated Debris
(according to their Reports and Roadmap)
And soon start to remove the Fuel!

SFP Nr. 4 is my and our biggest concern
and always when we have a Tremor i hope it is just here
and not in F`Shima!

Ah, and yes Radiation is deadly
but also helpful,
to use it to boil Water is insane,
the use in our Medicine is live saving!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


lets agree to dissagree on some things, thats ok, Im sure your thinking the same as me, though this "roadmap" baloney is just that.

They wont be removing the fuel anytime soon. And I really do mean a long LONG time!

Its just too "hot" meaning the radiation is too much, also they simply CANNOT take the fuel rods out of water, if they do for ANY lenght of time they will combust.

Zirconium reacts with air (oxygen) by setting fire to itself, it just seems to hate air lol.

This of course complicates the small teeny matter of removing them from a hundred feet in the air, amongst debris, in an exploded building that no one can get near!

Bit of a problem!

The "roadmap" crap is just the government bying time and placating the masses.

Number three spent fuel pool is non existant. End of story.

have a look around there is lots of hd photos out there now which clearly show the damage to number three.

another point I think you are really missing here is that it doesnt matter anymore that three reactors have melted down, what is important to know here is that the spent fuel pools are the danger. There is more highly unstable dangerously "hot" fuel present in the number 4 sfp then ALL the reactors put together.

The number 4 sfp is located very high up in the building, which is now leaning over.

The danger that all this may collapse is present and very real. Science (mankind) has not the know how, nor the technology to deal with a situation such as this. If, and again it is not really a if but a when, this does happen, we are talking upwards of a thousand tonnes of highly enriched (well used, super hot, and uncontrollable) nuclear fuel melting in the daylight sun. Not contained, nor containable.

Have you heard much about reactors 5+6 lately??? are they still saying that they are in "cold shutdown conditions"????

Guess why they are saying that?

Where are the fukushima fifty??

What happened to HUNDREDS of workers?? where are they??

This "roadmap" crap really is political speak to silence real questions.

Ask yourself this, If they dont have a device opperable to measure anything, like temperature etc, How then can they say what the temperature is? Would you fly on a plane piloted by someone who didnt have any instruments and was basing there flightplan on a "roadmap"?????

This is what is happening, TEPCO is saying one thing when even WE know that it cannot be true??? Why has it taken all this time to go in with the endoscope, only to turn straight around and say they pop in for another look in oooh FIVE YEARS TIME????????

I have said before, and I realise you are trying to keep your head up, the situation is far worse then they want you to know.

Heres a golden rule for you to remember: expect the best, plan for the worst.

@citizenperth, keep on talking to atomboy buddy and do your best to ignore that other fucker, hes baiting you and you are letting him, just simply dont answer his posts he is a prick after all, the most he deserves is to be ignored.

All the best everyone, and good luck, we are all going to need it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9253804


agreed... i think between me and atom we got a little heated... it is a serious debate after all... i think some things were indeed lost in translation... we all... after all.. seeking the same fix to a dire situation...

thanks for your thoughts... indeed the AC poster is in "divide and conquer" mode and i sheepishly fell into the trap for a while....

@atom... i think we need to bury the swords and look for a more concerted co-operation as to information ;)

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It is a little bit difficult to explain everything
again and again (my opinion what has happen there)

My Opinion is that none of the Cores is gone,
they are still inside the Primary Containment Vessel,
the Explosion you saw and the stuff that blow up
was the Hat/ Cap of the PCV but not the Vessel itself!

The SFP and how much Stuff was in there (Nr.3) is
still a miracle like the whole Explosion!

Nr. 4 SFP is okay, there was a confusion in the beginning
of the crisis but the damage is much smaller than we thought
in the first Week!

You are right that this SFP was never designed to hold
all this nasty Stuff but our Society was so hungry
and believed everything what Tepco and Friends told them,
so they agree to use Fuel without providing a working concept
for the Recycling!

At the moment the are removing the contaminated Debris
(according to their Reports and Roadmap)
And soon start to remove the Fuel!

SFP Nr. 4 is my and our biggest concern
and always when we have a Tremor i hope it is just here
and not in F`Shima!

Ah, and yes Radiation is deadly
but also helpful,
to use it to boil Water is insane,
the use in our Medicine is live saving!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


lets agree to dissagree on some things, thats ok, Im sure your thinking the same as me, though this "roadmap" baloney is just that.

They wont be removing the fuel anytime soon. And I really do mean a long LONG time!

Its just too "hot" meaning the radiation is too much, also they simply CANNOT take the fuel rods out of water, if they do for ANY lenght of time they will combust.

Zirconium reacts with air (oxygen) by setting fire to itself, it just seems to hate air lol.

This of course complicates the small teeny matter of removing them from a hundred feet in the air, amongst debris, in an exploded building that no one can get near!

Bit of a problem!

The "roadmap" crap is just the government bying time and placating the masses.

Number three spent fuel pool is non existant. End of story.

have a look around there is lots of hd photos out there now which clearly show the damage to number three.

another point I think you are really missing here is that it doesnt matter anymore that three reactors have melted down, what is important to know here is that the spent fuel pools are the danger. There is more highly unstable dangerously "hot" fuel present in the number 4 sfp then ALL the reactors put together.

The number 4 sfp is located very high up in the building, which is now leaning over.

The danger that all this may collapse is present and very real. Science (mankind) has not the know how, nor the technology to deal with a situation such as this. If, and again it is not really a if but a when, this does happen, we are talking upwards of a thousand tonnes of highly enriched (well used, super hot, and uncontrollable) nuclear fuel melting in the daylight sun. Not contained, nor containable.

Have you heard much about reactors 5+6 lately??? are they still saying that they are in "cold shutdown conditions"????

Guess why they are saying that?

Where are the fukushima fifty??

What happened to HUNDREDS of workers?? where are they??

This "roadmap" crap really is political speak to silence real questions.

Ask yourself this, If they dont have a device opperable to measure anything, like temperature etc, How then can they say what the temperature is? Would you fly on a plane piloted by someone who didnt have any instruments and was basing there flightplan on a "roadmap"?????

This is what is happening, TEPCO is saying one thing when even WE know that it cannot be true??? Why has it taken all this time to go in with the endoscope, only to turn straight around and say they pop in for another look in oooh FIVE YEARS TIME????????

I have said before, and I realise you are trying to keep your head up, the situation is far worse then they want you to know.

Heres a golden rule for you to remember: expect the best, plan for the worst.

@citizenperth, keep on talking to atomboy buddy and do your best to ignore that other fucker, hes baiting you and you are letting him, just simply dont answer his posts he is a prick after all, the most he deserves is to be ignored.

All the best everyone, and good luck, we are all going to need it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9253804


agreed... i think between me and atom we got a little heated... it is a serious debate after all... i think some things were indeed lost in translation... we all... after all.. seeking the same fix to a dire situation...

thanks for your thoughts... indeed the AC poster is in "divide and conquer" mode and i sheepishly fell into the trap for a while....

@atom... i think we need to bury the swords and look for a more concerted co-operation as to information ;)
 Quoting: citizenperth


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Number three spent fuel pool is non existant. End of story.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9253804


This is your Opinion but not my,
Tepco wrote:
"-At 3:18 pm on January 14, we started operation of the radioactive
material removal instrument for the spent fuel pool in Unit 3"

Imo. this do not sounds like the SFP Nr. 3 is gone,
i remember also to saw Heat Pics from Nr. 3

Have a look:
[link to blog.greenpeace.de]

The Roadmap says that Tepco will remove the Fuel from now on,
they expect a few years to do so!

When we talk about Fukushima in the so called "Alternative Media"
we use every source, from Fukushima Diary, to Happy 20700, Busby and Caldicott, etc, ect,
all of them follow a Agenda or are Trolls,
why we should not use Tepco, NRS and other Pro Nuclear Pages as a Sources too!

We need to find the fine line in between,
she is very, very small and sometimes we
fail to see her but she exist!


Tepco offered also yesterday the following:
anuary 20, 2012
Tokyo Electric Power Company

Sankei Shimbun dated January 19, 2012 published an article "TEPCO left out the disconnection of emergency power supply for Fukushima nuclear data transmission equipment four months before the earthquake". Other newspapers published similar articles.

Facts are as below:

Disconnected and left out the power supply from the emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply)

We proposed to enhance power supply to the media converter (MC)*1 by newly connecting the emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply). We did not disconnect an existing connection from the emergency power supply.
Also, the AC power supply had a backup power. The building where the media converter (MC) was located was supposed to receive power from Okuma line 1 or TEPCO nuclear line.

Why there was no connection with the emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply)

In installing the media converter (MC), the location for L3 switch*2 instructed by the Nuclear Safety Inspector was incorrect. Because of this, the length of the power cable was too short to connect. As such, we explained the situation to the Nuclear Safety Inspector, connected to the existing AC power supply and began operation of the Emergency Response Support System (ERSS).

Broadcasts regarding the impact on the radioactivity dispersing forecast

According to our analysis, the time when the reactor core of Unit 1, Fukushima Daiichi NPS was exposed (the water level went down to the top of active fuel) was around 5:46 pm, March 11. Before 4:43 pm, we believe that there was no release of radioactive substances when we could not transmit data due to malfunction of the national disaster prevention network.

Broadcast in relation to instruction / request for connection to the emergency power supply from the government and Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization

There was no instruction / request from the government or Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization.

(Reference: outline of the connection work with UPS)
We implemented to connect TEPCO's network with the national disaster prevention network in order to transmit power station plant data to the Emergency Response Support System (ERSS). We planned to newly install the media converter (MC), connect with the L3 switch, a national property and at the same time, connect with the national emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply).

*1 media converter (MC): an equipment to connect and convert signals between different devices such as optical fibers and cables.

*2 L3 switch (layer 3 switch): this controls routing by IP address and relays packets to the output port that corresponds to the IP address.

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

Fukushima Daini:
[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

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Number three spent fuel pool is non existant. End of story.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9253804


This is your Opinion but not my,
Tepco wrote:
"-At 3:18 pm on January 14, we started operation of the radioactive
material removal instrument for the spent fuel pool in Unit 3"

Imo. this do not sounds like the SFP Nr. 3 is gone,
i remember also to saw Heat Pics from Nr. 3

Have a look:
[link to blog.greenpeace.de]

The Roadmap says that Tepco will remove the Fuel from now on,
they expect a few years to do so!

When we talk about Fukushima in the so called "Alternative Media"
we use every source, from Fukushima Diary, to Happy 20700, Busby and Caldicott, etc, ect,
all of them follow a Agenda or are Trolls,
why we should not use Tepco, NRS and other Pro Nuclear Pages as a Sources too!

We need to find the fine line in between,
she is very, very small and sometimes we
fail to see her but she exist!


Tepco offered also yesterday the following:
anuary 20, 2012
Tokyo Electric Power Company

Sankei Shimbun dated January 19, 2012 published an article "TEPCO left out the disconnection of emergency power supply for Fukushima nuclear data transmission equipment four months before the earthquake". Other newspapers published similar articles.

Facts are as below:

Disconnected and left out the power supply from the emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply)

We proposed to enhance power supply to the media converter (MC)*1 by newly connecting the emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply). We did not disconnect an existing connection from the emergency power supply.
Also, the AC power supply had a backup power. The building where the media converter (MC) was located was supposed to receive power from Okuma line 1 or TEPCO nuclear line.

Why there was no connection with the emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply)

In installing the media converter (MC), the location for L3 switch*2 instructed by the Nuclear Safety Inspector was incorrect. Because of this, the length of the power cable was too short to connect. As such, we explained the situation to the Nuclear Safety Inspector, connected to the existing AC power supply and began operation of the Emergency Response Support System (ERSS).

Broadcasts regarding the impact on the radioactivity dispersing forecast

According to our analysis, the time when the reactor core of Unit 1, Fukushima Daiichi NPS was exposed (the water level went down to the top of active fuel) was around 5:46 pm, March 11. Before 4:43 pm, we believe that there was no release of radioactive substances when we could not transmit data due to malfunction of the national disaster prevention network.

Broadcast in relation to instruction / request for connection to the emergency power supply from the government and Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization

There was no instruction / request from the government or Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization.

(Reference: outline of the connection work with UPS)
We implemented to connect TEPCO's network with the national disaster prevention network in order to transmit power station plant data to the Emergency Response Support System (ERSS). We planned to newly install the media converter (MC), connect with the L3 switch, a national property and at the same time, connect with the national emergency power supply (uninterruptible power supply).

*1 media converter (MC): an equipment to connect and convert signals between different devices such as optical fibers and cables.

*2 L3 switch (layer 3 switch): this controls routing by IP address and relays packets to the output port that corresponds to the IP address.

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

Fukushima Daini:
[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


im pretty sure that number two is the only one they can get into, or at the very least was the lesser radiation "outputter"

number three had three servieants at the door, I dont see anyone going in there. Thats some enormous rad dose there.

I go with arnies assumption on number three. Yes I realise hes probably biased but only in a private way. He does not work for nor against the nuclear industry, but rather more likely simply in favour of better safety standards. In fact that is the impression I get, Im usually a good judge of character.

After all he has been spot on all the way since march 11.
And has constantly explained eloquently exactly whats going on from his point of view, and mostly why TEPCO is wrong to think this or that, all backed up with concise information.

A Heck of a lot more than TEPCO has released in openess.

If Arnie says the number three spent fuel pool isnt there anymore, and that its gone because of a prompt criticality caused in part by a hydrogen explosion, sending shit miles up in the sky at the speed of sound, and that the bigger explosion, was the spent fuel pool exploding, and that there is clear evidence to show the complete destruction and very apparent "dissapearance" of the sfp, well,


Thats good enough from me.


I find it very hard to comprehend, that the third largest economy in the world, with a modern and highly structured society, a nation of very smart, modern people, could possibly have as the largest modern power company, a bunch of seemingly inept, hopeless, shady, unforthcoming people running it.

I still hold the view, until TEPCO really does open up and explain HONESTLY, without worrying about my anxiety, exaclty what the fucks going on, that I will read whatever giblish they spit out and then I will as normal, compare that info with whatever else is out there.

And as usual the only real useful info, is coming solely from EVERYBODY ELSE AND NOT TEPCO!!!

Im not shouting ^ Im just trying to get my point across that the info thus receaved from TEPCO, has ALLWAYS been belatedly reported. First they tell us "might" "maybe" and "we think" and then they change it later and say "oh no! what we meant was" and then they change it.

Lets face it we are getting more uptodate info at times from secretly tweeting workers?

What kind of an operation is this? We ALL have the right to have the truth, not whatever TEPCO "decides" to release.

The only responce to TEPCOS release of information, is to question, what they are up to.

Why are they being EVASIVE with the truth?? it is a very good question.

Any policeman will tell you, when someone answers questions evasively, they do so to hide information, there is something they dont want you know.

At EVERY point along the way, TEPCO has behaved like suspect number one.

We dont not have a complete picture of the entire situatuion on the ground, why?

The only "inspection" by foreign reporters was a very tightly controlled fiasco that really gave us nothing but pictures of the ground and other such useless stuff.

Every bit of information is scrutinised and censored.
In that TEPCO just doesnt seem to be able to complete a sentence, they just give a snippet followed by garbage and contradictions.

We HAVE to look for more clear information from "other" sources, merely because to sit back and accept the "company line" would be foolish unless you of course didnt really care for the outcome.

Please dont forget, TEPCO has been caught outright lying, all the way through. Even if there is some culural thing the Japanese can do with language that allows one to not answer a question through not telling the WHOLE truth, to the rest of the world its still called lying.

And I dont believe lyers!!

I do hope number 3 sfp is still there, and intact, and that their "radioactive material removal instrument"???????
is working just fine.

I also hope someone can fucking well explain to me just what the hell is a "radioactive material removal instrument"

and how are they "operating" it??????????

Well thats my rant see you tommorow!............
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Protesting nuclear power
Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of Yokohama the weekend of Jan. 14-15
to show their support for a nuclear power-free world.

Organizers of the Global Conference for a Nuclear Power Free World claimed
6,000 participants from some 30 countries on the first day and 5,500 on the second.
Newspaper reports put the number closer to 2,000.

Whatever the actual numbers,
including a no-doubt large Internet audience for the live broadcast,
the conference showed that organized opposition to nuclear power
has gained momentum in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear plant crisis.

The conference shows all the signs of turning into a coherent,
focused movement.

For a movement to have impact, though, it needs more than people in parks — it also needs viable ideas.

This conference had both.
Rather than calling the weekend a "protest" or "rally," they called it a "conference."

And rather than demanding an immediate ban, they called for transitions toward a nuclear-free world.
That softer, more sensible approach is more likely to succeed.

Less than 50% [link to www.japantimes.co.jp]

It's coming, slow but in a typical Japanese Way,
not blind and Violent, instead creative and POWERFULL hf

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i was looking last night for the Arnie Statement that SFP Nr. 3 is gone,
can you point it out for me because A. Gundersen is
the only one from the alternative Media i still believe!

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No records of nuclear disaster taskforce meetings
It has been revealed that the government's nuclear disaster taskforce did not keep any records of its meetings after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident.

Experts say this is a significant loss, as the minutes could help to prevent mistakes from being repeated.

The taskforce, headed by the prime minister and including all the Cabinet members, was launched on the day of the accident on March 11th last year.

It made important decisions, including the designation of evacuation areas, basic policies on decontamination and restrictions on the shipment of agricultural produce.


[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]

Fukushima to host int'l nuclear conference

Japan's Foreign Minister says the government will invite ministers from across the world to an international conference later this year to discuss the safety of nuclear plants in Fukushima Prefecture. The event will be jointly hosted by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Koichiro Gemba made the announcement on Sunday in a lecture in Sukagawa City, Fukushima Prefecture. The prefecture houses the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.


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