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Piss-poor... for the country AB calls numero uno in nuclear.
Why should we believe any information provided by any of them..?




 Quoting: Waterbug


Because you are just a Slave of our System,
eat it or/and die, your Class are the Gamma-People!

Ps; when you use the orginal Source you can
minimize the wrong interpretations by the
Pseudo-Scientific-Blog-O-Sphere,
but i know that this is not the wanted by
Gamma-People because they need something
to satisfy their cheap instincts!
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The most talented journalist in Asia can do little with
information provided by an admitted liar.
My point is valid and stands on its own merit.

You are grasping for straws.
 Quoting: Waterbug



chuckle i don't want to use Information filtered
by People who do not even understand the basics
of responsible Journalism,
you can use Enenews and Fuku-Diary because
you are, in a way, Pseudo-Radical!

You like to discuss nuclear Energy while your
Ass sits in a warm Home and in front of a Com.

There are People who are much more active than u.
And there is a huge difference between ranting
and true Resistance!
Inga
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Here's one on the health of kids in Japan afterward.

[link to mnhopkins.blogspot.se]
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Yes, Anon Japan. That is true.
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Piss-poor... for the country AB calls numero uno in nuclear.
Why should we believe any information provided by any of them..?




 Quoting: Waterbug


Because you are just a Slave of our System,
eat it or/and die, your Class are the Gamma-People!

Ps; when you use the orginal Source you can
minimize the wrong interpretations by the
Pseudo-Scientific-Blog-O-Sphere,
but i know that this is not the wanted by
Gamma-People because they need something
to satisfy their cheap instincts!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29256427


The most talented journalist in Asia can do little with
information provided by an admitted liar.
My point is valid and stands on its own merit.

You are grasping for straws.
 Quoting: Waterbug



chuckle i don't want to use Information filtered
by People who do not even understand the basics
of responsible Journalism,
you can use Enenews and Fuku-Diary because
you are, in a way, Pseudo-Radical!

You like to discuss nuclear Energy while your
Ass sits in a warm Home and in front of a Com.

There are People who are much more active than u.
And there is a huge difference between ranting
and true Resistance!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29256427


Deflect much..?

You can criticize enenews and fuku-diary all you want... doesn't change the fact that..
TEPCO, IT'S LEADERS, THE JAP .GOV, AND THE NUCLEAR ENGINEERS...
FUCKED UP ROYALLY... and then tried to lie their way out of it..

My ass sits on the couch while I spend countless hours, uncompensated, searching out,
reading and posting the information that makes you look like a fool, among other things.
And you HATE IT THAT I'M RIGHT...

I have spent my time in the picket lines...
benefit concerts, etc.
I have been against nuclear tech since '68 when
I first read Einstein...
44 YEARS OF SPEAKING OUT AGAINST NUCLEAR..

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, MR. CRITIC..?

Eat shit, dickhead.
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Team: Fault at nuclear plant may be active

Japan's nuclear regulator says that a nuclear power plant in northern Japan may be sitting on active faults.

Nuclear Regulation Authority official Kunihiko Shimazaki and 4 experts concluded their 2-day inspection at the Higashidori plant in Aomori Prefecture on Friday.

They scraped and washed the ground surface to see how far 2 faults in the compound extend.

Plant operator Tohoku Electric Power Company has argued that the shift in the strata was formed after soil in the ground absorbed water, and that it was not the result of seismic activity.

The experts say they cannot deny the possibility that the 2 faults are active, and that they can reach a conclusion without additional surveys.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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Experts advise stricter nuclear evacuation rules

A panel of experts from Japan's nuclear regulatory agency has proposed stricter evacuation rules for nuclear accidents.

Nuclear Regulation Authority experts advise the public to immediately take shelter when radiation levels reach 500 microsieverts per hour. That's half of the International Atomic Energy Agency guideline of 1,000 microsieverts per hour.

One day after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident last year, radiation of 500 microsieverts per hour was measured at a distance of 6 kilometers.
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IAEA expects agreement with Iran in next meeting

An International Atomic Energy Agency official has expressed hope that the nuclear watchdog could reach an agreement with Iran over access to Iran's nuclear site.

IAEA team leader Herman Nackaerts told reporters on Friday that the IAEA was not yet able to obtain Iran's consent to inspect a military facility in Parchin, outside the Iranian capital.

The site is suspected of being used for experiments related to nuclear weapons development.
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Japan to host nuclear safety conference in Fukushima Pref

TOKYO — An international conference will be held in Fukushima over the weekend to discuss nuclear safety following last year’s atomic crisis.

High-level officials, including government ministers, from more than 50 countries and organizations are expected to attend the meeting from Saturday to Monday, a Japanese foreign ministry official said.
[link to www.japantoday.com]
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Regulator suggests active faults beneath Higashidori nuclear plant

A Japanese nuclear regulator Friday suggested that earthquake faults beneath the Higashidori nuclear power plant site in Aomori Prefecture could be active and dangerous.
[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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TEPCO admits poor safety culture as root cause of Fukushima crisis

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Friday its inadequate safety culture resulted in a lack of preparation for severe nuclear accidents, as it tries to dig deeper into the root cause of the Fukushima crisis rather than just blaming the larger-than-expected tsunami for triggering the catastrophe.

Based on its revised understanding, the utility known as TEPCO unveiled the outline of a plan to revamp its oft-criticized nuclear division, including an idea to set up a regulatory organization that is inside the company but independent of the division in issuing orders for safety measures.
[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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TEPCO admits poor safety culture as root cause of Fukushima crisis

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Friday its inadequate safety culture resulted in a lack of preparation for severe nuclear accidents, as it tries to dig deeper into the root cause of the Fukushima crisis rather than just blaming the larger-than-expected tsunami for triggering the catastrophe.

Based on its revised understanding, the utility known as TEPCO unveiled the outline of a plan to revamp its oft-criticized nuclear division, including an idea to set up a regulatory organization that is inside the company but independent of the division in issuing orders for safety measures.
[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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Too little; too late.
Tepco should cease to exist.
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U.S. Program Extracts all HEU From Austria

WASHINGTON -- Austria as of this week has become the 22nd nation to divest itself of all weapon-grade uranium through a program managed by the U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration.

Roughly 2.6 pounds of highly enriched uranium was removed from the TRIGA reactor at the Vienna University of Technology and last month shipped by sea to an unidentified location in the United States under a 2011 U.S.-Austrian memorandum of understanding.
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Ukraine approves plan to borrow Eur600 mil for nuclear safety

Ukraine's government approved a plan to borrow Eur600 million ($785 million) from the European Union's nuclear power agency Euroatom to improve safety at the country's nuclear power plants, according to a resolution published Wednesday.
[link to www.platts.com]
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EU freezes funds to dismantle Lithuanian reactor over operator row

An ongoing row over the decommissioning of a Soviet-era nuclear reactor in Lithuania has led to the suspension of EU funds aimed at supporting the project, the bloc's executive said Thursday, dpa reported.
The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) had decided to freeze money intended to build spent fuel storage and buy storage casks needed to dismantle the Ignalina reactor in eastern Lithuania, the European Commission said in a statement.
[link to en.trend.az]
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Made it to Maui and the geiger in front f the condo, in front of the ocean reads 38 cpm. The tile floor inside is at least double that, I don't know why. Aloha
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Tile can have naturally-occurring elements which cause it to read high.
Same with granite counter-tops or slate/shale walkways.
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Made it to Maui and the geiger in front f the condo, in front of the ocean reads 38 cpm. The tile floor inside is at least double that, I don't know why. Aloha
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Tile can have naturally-occurring elements which cause it to read high.
Same with granite counter-tops or slate/shale walkways.
 Quoting: Waterbug


I just put shoes on because the indoor tile reads around 100 and the outdoor tile is 38, everything is 38 except the indoor floor tile.
 Quoting: WindyMind


Seems a little high. Probably nothing unusual.
Without knowing the origination and composition of the tile, it's hard to make a call.

Don't let it ruin your trip..
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Waterbug, I am just sharing the readings I get while traveling for sure nothing is going to ruin my Christmas Vacation. I was/am curious about the radiation here myself and thought others might be interested.
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Thanks for taking the time to do that.
Now.. go enjoy yourself..
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Scientization Of Politics: The Reason Yucca Mountain Was Cancelled
[link to www.science20.com]
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Baton Rouge area nuclear plant to be inspected after leak
[link to www.nola.com]
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The Yucca Mountain site in Nevada is not an option for storing toxic waste from nuclear power plants, said Deputy Energy Secretary Daniel Poneman on the sidelines of an international meeting to strengthen global nuclear safety after Japan's Fukushima atomic crisis.

[link to www.powergenworldwide.com]
 Quoting: Waterbug


It has to be stored somewhere, storage pools on site are not for long term. Billions of dollars have been spent and still no solution. It would be nice if they said no renewed licensing and no new fuel can be used until the spent fuel issue is resolved. How about a "fee" levied for each new fuel rod for long term storage? Nuclear power would become far more expensive if they factored this in. I really don't like the idea of pushing it off for our future generations to deal with.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." —Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. ~Edward Everett Hale
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This is a nice video overlay of the steam explosion at Fuku.

It actually shows the Arnie Gunderson theory about the ruptured upper bolts theory could very well be correct....

[link to fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com.au]
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This is a nice video overlay of the steam explosion at Fuku.

It actually shows the Arnie Gunderson theory about the ruptured upper bolts theory could very well be correct....

[link to fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com.au]
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Not a theory. Proven in tests. I have the info here, somewhere.
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The Yucca Mountain site in Nevada is not an option for storing toxic waste from nuclear power plants, said Deputy Energy Secretary Daniel Poneman on the sidelines of an international meeting to strengthen global nuclear safety after Japan's Fukushima atomic crisis.

[link to www.powergenworldwide.com]
 Quoting: Waterbug


It has to be stored somewhere, storage pools on site are not for long term. Billions of dollars have been spent and still no solution. It would be nice if they said no renewed licensing and no new fuel can be used until the spent fuel issue is resolved. How about a "fee" levied for each new fuel rod for long term storage? Nuclear power would become far more expensive if they factored this in. I really don't like the idea of pushing it off for our future generations to deal with.
 Quoting: Southern OR


Interesting information in the post concerning the politics of yucca mt...
I agree with your idea of no new fuel or licensing.
Should have been implemented a long time ago.
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New Containment Flaw Identified in the BWR Mark 1

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Fairewinds shows that the nuclear industry’s plan to vent the containment at Fukushima Daiichi could not have prevented a containment failure and the ensuing explosions. Look at the graphics from the containment stress tests conducted more than 40 years ago at a US nuclear reactor identical to Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1. This video and its graphics provide important clues about why Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 exploded.
[link to fukushima.greenaction-japan.org]

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Arnie's analysis of the top of containment releasing pressure because the bolts stretched at 100psi gives more impetus and urgency to the notion of shutting down these Mark I generation reactors down permanently.

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There seems to be some confusion as to how the containment cap bolts could have stretched allowing the containment cap to lift and allow gases to escape.
The primary containment vessel is supposed to vent high pressure into the wetwell[torus]. The torus operates at a negative pressure to the vessel and with a checkvalve. They are investigating whether the system failed or if venting was blocked.

Here are a couple of earlier reports concerning this issue...

~
b


from mar 2011.....

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[snip]

David Lochbaum, chief nuclear safety official of the Union of Concerned Scientists, has another possible explanation. As steam and hydrogen built up within the primary containment shell, high pressure may have forced an opening between the primary containment shell, called the drywell, and the metal cap that is bolted onto the shell. A pressure test decades ago at the Brunswick Nuclear Plant in North Carolina demonstrated that such a high-pressure leak could occur in Mark I reactors built at the Fukushima plant, Lochbaum said.

"This tragedy will be closely examined for its causes, what happened and why," Lochbaum said. "That scrutiny must determine how hydrogen got into the reactor buildings to cause the catastrophic explosions. The drywell head pathway may be that answer. We need to stress that we're not putting this forward as the only answer for this question, but it's the most plausible explanation that we've heard to date."

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from sept 2011.....


[link to www.simplyinfo.org]
[snip]

Mark 1 containments were not specifically designed to handle these situations:
Reactor Vessel Rupture
Steam Generator Rupture
Large break (LOCA) Loss Of Coolant Accidents

These kinds of accidents produce higher containment pressure and more fission products. High heat caused by these kinds of accidents can also lead to failing containment by way of cracks or ruptures.

Statistics for Peach Bottom are likely similar to units at Fukushima as they have similar designs.
Peach Bottom BWR Mark 1 Peak Design Basis Accident Pressure PSIG 49.1 (KPA 339)
Peach bottom design: 56psig, ultimate failure pressure 148 psig

Containment Cap:

The yellow containment cap bolt style used at Peach Bottom nuclear plant is the style used at Fukushima and is prone to bolt elongation (stretching) and flange separation (opening) under high temperatures. Accidents where high containment (drywell) temperatures occur are more likely to have the containment cap bolts stretch.

The silicon seal of the containment cap can also fail, it degrades significantly at temperatures over about 600 K (620 ‘F). These two flaws can create an outlet for containment in situations where the pressure and temperatures are both high.

**This is certainly a potential scenario as part of the unit 3 explosion. Considerable steam and debris was ejected high in the air but the containment cap or parts of it have not been found in the debris.




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This is not a new revelation...

This [the containment cap or parts of it have not been found in the debris] indicates that the mixed oxide fuel was blasted from Unit 3 reactor.

This was all discovered and posted in fuku 1 thread.

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New Containment Flaw Identified in the BWR Mark 1

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Fairewinds shows that the nuclear industry’s plan to vent the containment at Fukushima Daiichi could not have prevented a containment failure and the ensuing explosions. Look at the graphics from the containment stress tests conducted more than 40 years ago at a US nuclear reactor identical to Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1. This video and its graphics provide important clues about why Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 exploded.
[link to fukushima.greenaction-japan.org]

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Arnie's analysis of the top of containment releasing pressure because the bolts stretched at 100psi gives more impetus and urgency to the notion of shutting down these Mark I generation reactors down permanently.

~
b
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


There seems to be some confusion as to how the containment cap bolts could have stretched allowing the containment cap to lift and allow gases to escape.
The primary containment vessel is supposed to vent high pressure into the wetwell[torus]. The torus operates at a negative pressure to the vessel and with a checkvalve. They are investigating whether the system failed or if venting was blocked.

Here are a couple of earlier reports concerning this issue...

~
b


from mar 2011.....

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[snip]

David Lochbaum, chief nuclear safety official of the Union of Concerned Scientists, has another possible explanation. As steam and hydrogen built up within the primary containment shell, high pressure may have forced an opening between the primary containment shell, called the drywell, and the metal cap that is bolted onto the shell. A pressure test decades ago at the Brunswick Nuclear Plant in North Carolina demonstrated that such a high-pressure leak could occur in Mark I reactors built at the Fukushima plant, Lochbaum said.

"This tragedy will be closely examined for its causes, what happened and why," Lochbaum said. "That scrutiny must determine how hydrogen got into the reactor buildings to cause the catastrophic explosions. The drywell head pathway may be that answer. We need to stress that we're not putting this forward as the only answer for this question, but it's the most plausible explanation that we've heard to date."

and


from sept 2011.....


[link to www.simplyinfo.org]
[snip]

Mark 1 containments were not specifically designed to handle these situations:
Reactor Vessel Rupture
Steam Generator Rupture
Large break (LOCA) Loss Of Coolant Accidents

These kinds of accidents produce higher containment pressure and more fission products. High heat caused by these kinds of accidents can also lead to failing containment by way of cracks or ruptures.

Statistics for Peach Bottom are likely similar to units at Fukushima as they have similar designs.
Peach Bottom BWR Mark 1 Peak Design Basis Accident Pressure PSIG 49.1 (KPA 339)
Peach bottom design: 56psig, ultimate failure pressure 148 psig

Containment Cap:

The yellow containment cap bolt style used at Peach Bottom nuclear plant is the style used at Fukushima and is prone to bolt elongation (stretching) and flange separation (opening) under high temperatures. Accidents where high containment (drywell) temperatures occur are more likely to have the containment cap bolts stretch.

The silicon seal of the containment cap can also fail, it degrades significantly at temperatures over about 600 K (620 ‘F). These two flaws can create an outlet for containment in situations where the pressure and temperatures are both high.

**This is certainly a potential scenario as part of the unit 3 explosion. Considerable steam and debris was ejected high in the air but the containment cap or parts of it have not been found in the debris.




~

This is not a new revelation...

This [the containment cap or parts of it have not been found in the debris] indicates that the mixed oxide fuel was blasted from Unit 3 reactor.

This was all discovered and posted in fuku 1 thread.

~

waterbug
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 Quoting: Waterbug


cheers WB :)
It's life as we know it, but only just.
My Fukushima Site:
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cheers WB :)
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Cheers, CP.

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