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Say NO to same-sex marriage in NYS

 
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Because your thoughts are so *Self Absorbed* *Vain* and about *Me* the Me Generation..

Understand that Generations of People come after you!

Children that have a GOD given right to a Mother and Father that is what is BEST that is what should be taught over ANYTHING else..It will produce a generation that Strive for the BEST not the alternative...

When Football Players try so hard playing the Game so they can get to the SUPER BOWL it is bacause theya re trying to ACHEIVE the BEST they can do, they are TAUGHT THAT!

Teaching Children about leading MORAL lives by waiting for sex until mature enough and marriage, learning and respecting how to treat your husband and wife in Marriage is the BEST showing your Children that you bring into the world Mom and Dad's loving them, teaching them is the BEST FOR SOCIETY it has been from the start of the world until the end

If it's not than just sit back and watch the World Self-Destruct you won't have to sit to long because it's already started..............
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1411809


You don't know me and where I come from! Check.

My thoughts are concerned with freedom, rights and the empowerment of human beings who are currently slaves (like yourself) in this nation under "God" cough cough.


Let's address your attempt at deflection (because you haven't a good leg to stand on)


(1) Self absorbed, being vain and all about "Me."

-If anyone is selfish: it's you.
-Your lineage/generation does NOT give YOU the right to strip the rights of other people (who came after you) PERIOD. That is what I call being selfless because whether or not my views coincide with what is "right" - *I* know that my standing for the rights of others IS RIGHT by default! -Not you-


The only God given rights that have are written within the Constitution (not upheld by it) and there is no mentioning of a child having the right to a mother and father!

(did you make that up?)


While I would agree that children should have a mother and father, and since you FAIL at reading sir: I've already stated that I don't feel gays should have the right to adopt children! Next...


Now, common sense tells me that the PARENTS should teach your children about sex, not TV, and not facebook. Are you doing a good job with that? Obviously no one should have sex until they are ready for the consequences AND until they LOVE their partner enough to stand by them should a child be conceived....


It's not YOUR place to tell people what they can and can't do. Check. However hard working tax payers should NOT have to foot the bill due to the carelessness and lack of responsibility of other parents!

I like helping people that NEED it.
Not to those that rely on a free handout.


Society can co-exist with gays and straights walking along side one another.


It tells me that you are not accepting of change nor tolerant of other people's beliefs YET you are the kind of person that will impose YOUR beliefs upon those you despise.
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ANSWER THIS:

How does it Benefit the State if 2 people of the Same gender want to Marry???

Does Heterosexual Couple benefit the STATE darn right!

As I said before if a Man and Woman marry stay married and raise there children it BENEFITS the state because those 2 People that created there children will raise them without asking for a HAND-OUT like divorced women mainly do because the Fathers have walked awy from there responsibility of financially supporting his wife and children in addition those KIDS are less likely to be involved in juvenile crime and less a burden on the STATE and Tax Payer!

The STATE benefits HETEROSEXUAL TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE STATE
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this thread is sooooooo gay!
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People who say 'gay is bad because you can't have kids you're gonna cause the apocalypse due to lack of reproduction'

well... the world is already overpopulated and growing more and more each second.

what about egg/sperm donors.. ? A lot of gay couples do that.

so what about hetero couples who use contraception.... thats abusing sexual intercourse as well.

does that mean couples who use condoms and the pill are gonna be dammed to hell???


jesus christ you homophobes, you do certainly contradict yourselves a lot.

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I'm a homophobe, and I'm proud

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Cheers for homophobes hf
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1) Hating Gays means you're gay. That is absolutely flawed logic. Some people may not express themselves in a politically correct manner when speaking about something they believe in. Concluding that this person is what he preaches against due that lack of tact is ridiculous. Most anti-gays don't HATE the person, they passionately disagree with the idea. And your retort? Oh, you must be a fag yourself? Maybe, ALL you Libtards are cowards and are all closet-cased homos that are waiting for the lobbyists to pave the way to your homo-utopia? You defend 'their' way of life so that they can pave the road and one day you too can be like them?

2) In Canada, GM has been legal for quite some time. So, the state recognizes a homosexual union. But you still have gay lobby groups trying to get our government to FORCE churches against their beliefs to marry homosexuals in the church. Isn't this a violation of the church's right? Why would you want to be married by a priest who represents a religion that feels your 'union' is an abomination?

3) Homosexuality is NOT natural. That being said, it shouldn't /doesn't matter to me or anyone else what they do in their bedroom. But how can you not see that legalizing marriage and promoting its normality in society will change the scope of things from ACCEPTANCE (no problem) to NORMAL -- it is NOT

OP may not agree with YOU, but it is YOU that I see attack him with a greater vengeance that his--
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First thing: we are talking about right and wrong. Not about you being happy I cannot cast a vote.

Second: you confuse rights with entitlements. I am not stripping anyone from rights. It is like mixing vodka with vodka and call it screwdriver drink. Sure... you can legislate and make people to call it so. But from your legislation vodka will not turn into vodka+orange juice. Just as two men will not make marriage...
 Quoting: gaton


After thinking more and more about it: you are correct.

(1) Right and wrong.

What makes something right and wrong?
Could it be, the law?

Where was it written into law that marriage must ONLY
be between a man and a woman or else a homosexual marriage would be deemed wrong or unlawful?


It is your "right" to feel that gay marriage is wrong.
It is not your right to impose your view upon gays.


(2) Marriage as it is today, as you have stated is
an entitlement.


Here is where you went wrong:

-Who gave you the authority to submit to an entitlement?

Did God?
The law?
Who or what?


Here's the kicker:

Do you have the right to submit to an entitlement?


Does a gay man or woman have the right to submit to an entitlement?


Last: Does this entitlement CONCISELY mandate that ONLY hetero men/women can marry into a marriage recognized by the state?

If so, who authorized this?


See?
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I'm a homophobe, and I'm proud

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proud of what?

hating people?

having a a phobia? (disorder)

Being an ignorant bigot?

not understanding that gay people are gonna be gay no matter what you think so you might as well learn to accept it buddy instead of living in fear and hate!
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A homo should be the last person to point the finger and say someone has a disorder
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Why do you CARE???

Why must you prevent someone from making a choice of their own? Why must you interfere with the functioning of someone else's existence?

DIDN'T YOUR GOD GIVE YOU FREE WILL? IF SO, THEN WHY ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO LIMIT THE FREE WILL OF ANOTHER?

You have no BUSINESS WHATSOEVER attempting to litigate or rule against something that is not causing you any harm. The only harm that I can see here is a seething hatred that is bred from an inherent fear of that which resides inside of oneself. Those who hate for the purposes of hate, usually are, or are becoming the object of their hatred.

Your fear of their freedom only illuminates your own internal struggle.

LET IT BE. What do you have to gain by this? Did your Christian God give you the right to circumvent the free will it purposefully created for all of its children? DO YOU SPEAK FOR GOD? And I would be VERY careful in how you chose to answer ANY of those questions because the phrase, "Judge not lest ye be judged" still hold true even for Christianity's most staunch of followers.

If you are living the way that God intended you to live, same-sex marriage would be the least of your issues.

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Same-sex marriage is WRONG
Please explain?

NO SUCH THING AS SAME SEX MARRIAGE EXISTS.
HUSBAND AND WIFE HAS ONLY BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE NO OTHER KIND OF RELATIONSHIP
it is unnatural


Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena. Homosexual animals do exist.
ANIMALS ALSO EAT THERE YOUNG, WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND DO NOT DO WHAT ANIMALS DO BECAUSE WE LIVE BY MORAL VALUES


it is an abomination against God
If you are a Christian you should know that you should not judge people but leave that to Him. Even so, you cannot force your personal beliefs onto others.

GOD SAID DO NOT JUDGE LIKE A HYPOCRITE SO IF YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING SOMEONE ELSE YOUR JUDGING IS DOING THAT IS WRONG..YES WE ARE TO JUDGE SIN.[

/b]it will lead to Anarchy
it will be the final nail in the coffin for NYS
Please explain?
 Quoting: Virga
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY WILL LEAD TO ANARCHY BECAUSE NO MORALITY EXISTS IN HOMOSEXUAL COUPLING


Hope I answered your questions......
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Good thing the Netherlands isn't run by the Catholic church like Poland and Ireland are. I've been to several European countries but I like the Netherlands the best, especially since my ancestors were Dutch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1208743


1. I am not Catholic.
2. Poland is unfortnately a land of people with inferiority complex. Our progressives idiotically associate the wealth of europe with europe's worst: abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality etc. Our government is like your democratic party... a bit dumber maybe.
3. Thread is about repealing the law, not wiping out homosexuality...
 Quoting: gaton


you are correct. the thing that people fail to realize is that state recognition of gay marriage is not a civil or human right. the biggest danger homosexual civil marriage presents is the enshrining into law the notion that sexual love, regardless of its fecundity, is the sole criterion for marriage. If the state must recognize a marriage of two men simply because they love one another, upon what basis can it deny marital recognition to a group of two men and three women, for example, or a sterile brother and sister who claim to love each other? Homosexual activists protest that they only want all couples treated equally. But why is sexual love between two people more worthy of state sanction than love between three, or five? When the purpose of marriage is procreation, the answer is obvious. If sexual love becomes the primary purpose, the restriction of marriage to couples loses its logical basis, leading to marital chaos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1163485


Exactly... this is why saying that gay marriages lead to anarchy and chaos may not be too big words.
 Quoting: gaton


the most important part of this debate is the fact that STATE RECOGNITION of marriage is not a human or civil right. Such a recognition is erroneous because state recognition of marriage is not a universal right. States regulate marriage in many ways besides denying men the right to marry men, and women the right to marry women. Roughly half of all states prohibit first cousins from marrying, and all prohibit marriage of closer blood relatives, even if the individuals being married are sterile. In all states, it is illegal to attempt to marry more than one person, or even to pass off more than one person as one’s spouse. Some states restrict the marriage of people suffering from syphilis or other venereal diseases. Homosexuals, therefore, are not the only people to be denied the right to marry the person of their choosing. I do not claim that all of these other types of couples restricted from marrying are equivalent to homosexual couples. I only bring them up to illustrate that marriage is heavily regulated, and for good reason. When a state recognizes a marriage, it bestows upon the couple certain benefits which are costly to both the state and other individuals.
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ANSWER THIS:

How does it Benefit the State if 2 people of the Same gender want to Marry???

Does Heterosexual Couple benefit the STATE darn right!

As I said before if a Man and Woman marry stay married and raise there children it BENEFITS the state because those 2 People that created there children will raise them without asking for a HAND-OUT like divorced women mainly do because the Fathers have walked awy from there responsibility of financially supporting his wife and children in addition those KIDS are less likely to be involved in juvenile crime and less a burden on the STATE and Tax Payer!

The STATE benefits HETEROSEXUAL TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE STATE
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1411809



First tell me do you know what "Full Disclosure" means?

The state does NOT benefit in the way they would
if a hetero couple married, makes perfect sense.


However your foreword explicitly blames the women for getting
handouts when the STATE was clearly the enabling party, making divorce JUST AS appealing to a couple, as marriage was initially due to the intended benfit(s) therein.


The issue with your argument is that the STATE cannot legally tell how gays can live their lives when that demand goes against the Constitution.

Even though I am against gays having children, I cannot tell them what to do!
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Same-sex marriage is WRONG
Please explain?

NO SUCH THING AS SAME SEX MARRIAGE EXISTS.
HUSBAND AND WIFE HAS ONLY BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE NO OTHER KIND OF RELATIONSHIP
it is unnatural


Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena. Homosexual animals do exist.
ANIMALS ALSO EAT THERE YOUNG, WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND DO NOT DO WHAT ANIMALS DO BECAUSE WE LIVE BY MORAL VALUES


it is an abomination against God
If you are a Christian you should know that you should not judge people but leave that to Him. Even so, you cannot force your personal beliefs onto others.

GOD SAID DO NOT JUDGE LIKE A HYPOCRITE SO IF YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING SOMEONE ELSE YOUR JUDGING IS DOING THAT IS WRONG..YES WE ARE TO JUDGE SIN.[

/b]it will lead to Anarchy
it will be the final nail in the coffin for NYS
Please explain?
 Quoting: Virga
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY WILL LEAD TO ANARCHY BECAUSE NO MORALITY EXISTS IN HOMOSEXUAL COUPLING


Hope I answered your questions......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1411809




Why can you not trust in your God that HE will judge the living and the dead (as it is written) so that you can just move the fuck on with your own life and worry about YOUR family, instead of another family?
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WITH 7 PAGES OF POSTS, NOT ONE PRO-HOMOSEXUAL INDIVIDUAL CAN SAY WHY GAYS ARE ENTITLED TO MARRY THERE OWN GENDER???


AND HOW DOES HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE BENEFIT THE STATE??
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Maybe the people who are so anti-gay marriage, saying it defiles the sacristy of "normal" marriage, should focus their worry more on those "normal" marriages they say are so sacred.
Those marriages between a man and a woman, where they commit in front of God and man to each other for LIFE.

Fidelity, Morality, An example to their children, yes?

Yeah, those marriages where husbands cheat on wives, and wives cheat on husbands.
Divorce because of infidelity.
Or because of money issues, or parenting issues, or boredom, or just plain not wanting to do the work to stay together and honor their comittment to each other.

Well, until the people in their "God ordained" marriages can get THOSE fricking right, they might want to stop worrying about gay marriage.

How can gay marriage possibly erode the sacrament of marriage they say they believe in, the one between a man and a woman, "normal" marriage, when they don't even honor THAT?!

Jeeze, how's that go? Take the plank from your own eye before you worry about the sawdust in someone elses?
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Same-sex marriage is WRONG
Please explain?
Gladly:
-immoral
-against God
-undermines normal marriages
-threatens state implementing to be considered weak




it is unnatural
Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena. Homosexual animals do exist.

You confuse copulation with sexual choice. And as misuse of nature's tools it is unnatural indeed.


it is an abomination against God
If you are a Christian you should know that you should not judge people but leave that to Him. Even so, you cannot force your personal beliefs onto others.

Tell it to religious Jews or Muslims as well... Old Testament is common for monotheistic religions. And why you cannot force beliefs into others? States duty is making the laws and enforcing it. Those laws do not come from the Moon.


it will lead to Anarchy
it will be the final nail in the coffin for NYS
Please explain?

Legalizing and protecting perversion makes the state laughable, sparks tensions in it and kills real marriages as the base to build with. Maybe not the last nail it is but you can clearly see that the more such laws USA implements, the more it rots...
Finally... negative public relations agency... [link to hitman.net84.net]
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Do you really think judging those that are gay suppresses their need to co-exist within a community?
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I'm sure you and the other homos on this thread judge people for many things everyday.

Hypocrite much?
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WITH 7 PAGES OF POSTS, NOT ONE PRO-HOMOSEXUAL INDIVIDUAL CAN SAY WHY GAYS ARE ENTITLED TO MARRY THERE OWN GENDER???


AND HOW DOES HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE BENEFIT THE STATE??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1411809


I've time and time again destroyed your arguments...


Gays have the RIGHT to seek an entitlement!!!!!


(read that a few times so it sinks in)


The state does not get the same monies they would
have the couple conceived a child under normal child birth
but they still get 2 people to submit to a permissive
and intrusive contract that allows the state to become a 3rd party that has a vested interest in any and all property acquired throughout the marriage...

Then there is divorce, which you have sneakingly omitted.
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First thing: we are talking about right and wrong. Not about you being happy I cannot cast a vote.

Second: you confuse rights with entitlements. I am not stripping anyone from rights. It is like mixing vodka with vodka and call it screwdriver drink. Sure... you can legislate and make people to call it so. But from your legislation vodka will not turn into vodka+orange juice. Just as two men will not make marriage...
 Quoting: gaton

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 936193



"After thinking more and more about it: you are correct.
(1) Right and wrong.
What makes something right and wrong?
Could it be, the law?
Where was it written into law that marriage must ONLY
be between a man and a woman or else a homosexual marriage would be deemed wrong or unlawful?
It is your "right" to feel that gay marriage is wrong.
It is not your right to impose your view upon gays."

When you impose any law you make a tradeoff. Every law's base is ethics. If I ban stealing it means I value private property over theves' joy. Same here. So sorry man, no agreement here.



"(2) Marriage as it is today, as you have stated is
an entitlement.
Here is where you went wrong:
-Who gave you the authority to submit to an entitlement?
Did God?
The law?
Who or what?"

Yeah... I believe in God. I helps me to distinguish between good and bad regardless of laws one state has.
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WITH 7 PAGES OF POSTS, NOT ONE PRO-HOMOSEXUAL INDIVIDUAL CAN SAY WHY GAYS ARE ENTITLED TO MARRY THERE OWN GENDER???


AND HOW DOES HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE BENEFIT THE STATE??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1411809


I've time and time again destroyed your arguments...


Gays have the RIGHT to seek an entitlement!!!!!


(read that a few times so it sinks in)


The state does not get the same monies they would
have the couple conceived a child under normal child birth
but they still get 2 people to submit to a permissive
and intrusive contract that allows the state to become a 3rd party that has a vested interest in any and all property acquired throughout the marriage...

Then there is divorce, which you have sneakingly omitted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 936193


idiot, seeking and receiving are two different things.
www.dictionary.com
entitlements are given to those deemed eligible for the benefit of society. heterosexuals are given recognition and the entitlements due to the fact that procreation within a marriage is good for society. gays cannot procreate. they are not eligible.
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Same-sex marriage is WRONG
Please explain?
Gladly:
-immoral
-against God
-undermines normal marriages
-threatens state implementing to be considered weak




it is unnatural
Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena. Homosexual animals do exist.

You confuse copulation with sexual choice. And as misuse of nature's tools it is unnatural indeed.


it is an abomination against God
If you are a Christian you should know that you should not judge people but leave that to Him. Even so, you cannot force your personal beliefs onto others.

Tell it to religious Jews or Muslims as well... Old Testament is common for monotheistic religions. And why you cannot force beliefs into others? States duty is making the laws and enforcing it. Those laws do not come from the Moon.


it will lead to Anarchy
it will be the final nail in the coffin for NYS
Please explain?

Legalizing and protecting perversion makes the state laughable, sparks tensions in it and kills real marriages as the base to build with. Maybe not the last nail it is but you can clearly see that the more such laws USA implements, the more it rots...
 Quoting: gaton



For a poster who's screen name contains the word GAY in it you sure keep repeating yourself over and over and over without ANY validity nor substance....why is that?


(1) Immorality and God are biblical concepts of fiction.
-Since you cannot prove this otherwise: NEXT!

(2) Undermining a marriage is what ALL or most heteros DO all on their own! lol. Why aren't you targeting those as well? Bigot much?

(3) Provide evidence that gay marriage threatens the state.


(4) Prove that it is unnatural, when many species have
either same sex lifeforms OR gay ones....


You still have not proven how it is unnatural AND even if you did: WHO gives you the right to tell what THEY can and can't do?


We don't need to tell the Jews or Muslims.
We are telling YOU. Don't deflect just because another religious group does the same thing....cowards do this as well.


There is much anarchy NOW within hetero marriages...
What are you doing about those?


Perversion is subjective.

I think that YOUR opinions are a perversion of logic
since we all know you don't have a relationship with imaginary beings, yet will die to protect your opinionated beliefs which has as much validity in them as the word federal in the federal reserve...


You have provided NOTHING but opinions and homophobic retorts because YOU are afraid, period.



Next.
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Then there is divorce, which you have sneakingly omitted.
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idiot, seeking and receiving are two different things.
www.dictionary.com
entitlements are given to those deemed eligible for the benefit of society. heterosexuals are given recognition and the entitlements due to the fact that procreation within a marriage is good for society. gays cannot procreate. they are not eligible.




Why have you called me an idiot?


What criteria must be met before a couple CAN
apply for a marriage license? and WHO determines
that a couple meets them?


Answer this. Can you?

So because a hetero couple can reproduce...
this means that they automatically "qualify" for a marriage license to be approved?

And you just called me an idiot? W O W
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WITH 7 PAGES OF POSTS, NOT ONE PRO-HOMOSEXUAL INDIVIDUAL CAN SAY WHY GAYS ARE ENTITLED TO MARRY THERE OWN GENDER???


AND HOW DOES HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE BENEFIT THE STATE??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1411809


I've time and time again destroyed your arguments...


Gays have the RIGHT to seek an entitlement!!!!!


(read that a few times so it sinks in)


The state does not get the same monies they would
have the couple conceived a child under normal child birth
but they still get 2 people to submit to a permissive
and intrusive contract that allows the state to become a 3rd party that has a vested interest in any and all property acquired throughout the marriage...

Then there is divorce, which you have sneakingly omitted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 936193


WOW,
There is so much SMOKE on your MIRRORS where to begin!

First off! GAYS can Marry just like anyone else does in the legality of Marriages recognized by the state!

In Addition Homosexuals have LEGAL CIVIL UNIONS giving them inheritance rights and personal wishes granted to there estates....

Heterosexuality is BENEFITED because Heterosexuals CAN PRO-CREATE and it BENEFITS the State if Married Couples take care of there own children, instead of divorcing and having the Kids taken care of by the State!

It Benefits the STATE AND SOCIETY for Heterosexuals to Stay Married and raise there children together!
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I thought God was supposed to pass judgement not you?


Why not let them live in peace and let your God decide their fate?

Why do you hate them so much? Because of a book written by men that was poorly translated to English years later said they are wrong?


Just who the fuck do you think you are to pass judgement on other people?

Are you a fucking tyrant?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1357677


ALL societies function on "rules of law" - and natural order - I don't give a crap what people do in their bedrooms but traditional marriage between a man and woman should be protected! for goodness sake - what'll be next??? will one be able to marry their dog????

it's sick its wrong and it's against the Good Book!
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Traditional marriage? Like the one Britney Spears had a few years ago, where they changed their minds the next day and blew it off?

Or traditional marriage with a ....what are the odds of divorce in 5 years? 50%....yeah, that traditional marriage?

Fuck off and stick Jesus' cross up your ass before you get drunk this weekend and end up in the bushes at the local park, crying your eyes out while you get (and give) a blowjob from some hobo.
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Same-sex marriage is WRONG
Please explain?
NO SUCH THING AS SAME SEX MARRIAGE EXISTS.
HUSBAND AND WIFE HAS ONLY BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE NO OTHER KIND OF RELATIONSHIP

Even if what you write is true (which is not), how does that explain it is wrong?

it is unnatural
Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena. Homosexual animals do exist. ANIMALS ALSO EAT THERE YOUNG, WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND DO NOT DO WHAT ANIMALS DO BECAUSE WE LIVE BY MORAL VALUES
The claim was that homosexuality is unnatural, which is clearly not the case. What is so amoral about homosexuality?
btw, humans wage wars which animals do not.



it is an abomination against God
If you are a Christian you should know that you should not judge people but leave that to Him. Even so, you cannot force your personal beliefs onto others.
GOD SAID DO NOT JUDGE LIKE A HYPOCRITE SO IF YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING SOMEONE ELSE YOUR JUDGING IS DOING THAT IS WRONG..YES WE ARE TO JUDGE SIN.
John 8:7 Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

it will lead to Anarchy
it will be the final nail in the coffin for NYS
Please explain?
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY WILL LEAD TO ANARCHY BECAUSE NO MORALITY EXISTS IN HOMOSEXUAL COUPLING
Please explain the part on no moral?
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The STATE does not give a Rat's Patootie about who you LOVE,
that is no one's concern except the person you love, but it is the STATE's and Society's concern when you come a blazing saying you want to Change the legality of what Marriage is by saying 2 people of the Same gender can marry like a Man and Woman...WRONG ANSWER.....
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Same-sex marriage is WRONG
Please explain?
Gladly:
-immoral
Please explain
-against God
Not againts mine
-undermines normal marriages
It leaves heterosexual marriages exactly the same as they were, so it undermines nothing.
-threatens state implementing to be considered weak
Please explain



it is unnatural
Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena. Homosexual animals do exist.
You confuse copulation with sexual choice. And as misuse of nature's tools it is unnatural indeed.
You obviously have never worked on a farm where it regularly happens that a cow mates with a cow and a bull mates with a bull even if they have an option between both sexes. It happens in nature so it is natural.

it is an abomination against God
If you are a Christian you should know that you should not judge people but leave that to Him. Even so, you cannot force your personal beliefs onto others.
Tell it to religious Jews or Muslims as well... Old Testament is common for monotheistic religions. And why you cannot force beliefs into others? States duty is making the laws and enforcing it. Those laws do not come from the Moon.
I am indeed having the same stance towards the Islam and Judaism as well as to all religions trying to force their theology upon others.
How does that mean that Biblical laws are correct and must be used as state laws?


it will lead to Anarchy
it will be the final nail in the coffin for NYS
Please explain?
Legalizing and protecting perversion makes the state laughable, sparks tensions in it and kills real marriages as the base to build with. Maybe not the last nail it is but you can clearly see that the more such laws USA implements, the more it rots...
How does it make the state laughable? By creating equal rights and opportunities?
It does not kill or even allter heterosexual marriages as it does not change them.
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Then there is divorce, which you have sneakingly omitted.
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idiot, seeking and receiving are two different things.
www.dictionary.com
entitlements are given to those deemed eligible for the benefit of society. heterosexuals are given recognition and the entitlements due to the fact that procreation within a marriage is good for society. gays cannot procreate. they are not eligible.
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Why have you called me an idiot?


What criteria must be met before a couple CAN
apply for a marriage license? and WHO determines
that a couple meets them?


Answer this. Can you?

So because a hetero couple can reproduce...
this means that they automatically "qualify" for a marriage license to be approved?

And you just called me an idiot? W O W


1. society cannot exist without procreation.
2. straight people can procreate, gays cannot.
3. the healthiest environment to raise children(these critters are the result of procreation) is in a married heterosexual environment.
4. state recognition of heterosexual marriage supports the healthiest environment for raising children necessary to maintain society.

by your logic why can't a sterilized brother and sister be married? why don't they qualify? what about ten men getting married to 6 women? can they have a group marriage? what about a woman from tijuana and a donkey?

here's the criteria: was one partner born with a penis and the other a vagina? are both human beings? if yes you qualify.

not all people who can reproduce can be married. this is why the argument of State recognition of marriage as a human or civil right is void. States regulate marriage in many ways besides denying men the right to marry men, and women the right to marry women. Roughly half of all states prohibit first cousins from marrying, and all prohibit marriage of closer blood relatives, even if the individuals being married are sterile. In all states, it is illegal to attempt to marry more than one person, or even to pass off more than one person as one’s spouse. Some states restrict the marriage of people suffering from syphilis or other venereal diseases. Homosexuals, therefore, are not the only people to be denied the right to marry the person of their choosing.
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ANSWER THIS:

How does it Benefit the State if 2 people of the Same gender want to Marry???

Does Heterosexual Couple benefit the STATE darn right!

As I said before if a Man and Woman marry stay married and raise there children it BENEFITS the state because those 2 People that created there children will raise them without asking for a HAND-OUT like divorced women mainly do because the Fathers have walked awy from there responsibility of financially supporting his wife and children in addition those KIDS are less likely to be involved in juvenile crime and less a burden on the STATE and Tax Payer!

The STATE benefits HETEROSEXUAL TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE STATE







Well, hell, Ohio is screwed because my wife and I have no intentions of having kids. Guess we don't benefit the state.

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Research indicates that homophobes are often fighting homosexual feelings within themselves: they are in denial.

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Same-sex marriage is WRONG
Please explain?
NO SUCH THING AS SAME SEX MARRIAGE EXISTS.
HUSBAND AND WIFE HAS ONLY BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE NO OTHER KIND OF RELATIONSHIP

Even if what you write is true (which is not), how does that explain it is wrong?

it is unnatural
Homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena. Homosexual animals do exist. ANIMALS ALSO EAT THERE YOUNG, WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND DO NOT DO WHAT ANIMALS DO BECAUSE WE LIVE BY MORAL VALUES
The claim was that homosexuality is unnatural, which is clearly not the case. What is so amoral about homosexuality?
btw, humans wage wars which animals do not.



it is an abomination against God
If you are a Christian you should know that you should not judge people but leave that to Him. Even so, you cannot force your personal beliefs onto others.
GOD SAID DO NOT JUDGE LIKE A HYPOCRITE SO IF YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING SOMEONE ELSE YOUR JUDGING IS DOING THAT IS WRONG..YES WE ARE TO JUDGE SIN.
John 8:7 Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

it will lead to Anarchy
it will be the final nail in the coffin for NYS
Please explain?
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY WILL LEAD TO ANARCHY BECAUSE NO MORALITY EXISTS IN HOMOSEXUAL COUPLING
Please explain the part on no moral?
 Quoting: Virga




What are the MORAL STRUCTURES IN A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP?????


I will give you the ones in a Heterosexual Relationship.

1. A Male and Female who come together in a mature lving committed relationship and wait for Marriage for sex will not risk any STD's or un-wanted pregnancy

2. A Male and a Female that commit to bonding with one another as 2 Unique Genders will learn how to live together as Husbands and Wives in a committed relationship

3. A Man and Woman who commit to loving and respecting each other, will grow into Mother's and Father's that bring fourt children into the world and be able to raise them with the Uniqueness of a Male influence and a Female influence to there biological children.

4. A Heterosexual Marriage that lasts to death do us part will lead to that MAN and WOMAN becoming Grandparents and seeing there family genealogy last for ages to come and give there Children a history of where they have come from.
Ancestors..


NOW YOU ANSWER ME WHERE IS THE MORAL STRUCTURE IN A HOMOSEXUAL COUPLING?
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ANSWER THIS:

How does it Benefit the State if 2 people of the Same gender want to Marry???

Does Heterosexual Couple benefit the STATE darn right!

As I said before if a Man and Woman marry stay married and raise there children it BENEFITS the state because those 2 People that created there children will raise them without asking for a HAND-OUT like divorced women mainly do because the Fathers have walked awy from there responsibility of financially supporting his wife and children in addition those KIDS are less likely to be involved in juvenile crime and less a burden on the STATE and Tax Payer!

The STATE benefits HETEROSEXUAL TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE STATE
 Quoting: Professor Frink







Well, hell, Ohio is screwed because my wife and I have no intentions of having kids. Guess we don't benefit the state.


Some people argue that the link between marriage and procreation is not as strong as it once was, and they are correct. Until recently, the primary purpose of marriage, in every society around the world, has been procreation. In the 20th century, Western societies have downplayed the procreative aspect of marriage, much to our detriment. As a result, the happiness of the parties to the marriage, rather than the good of the children or the social order, has become its primary end, with disastrous consequences. When married persons care more about themselves than their responsibilities to their children and society, they become more willing to abandon these responsibilities, leading to broken homes, a plummeting birthrate, and countless other social pathologies that have become rampant over the last 40 years. Homosexual marriage is not the cause for any of these pathologies, but it will exacerbate them, as the granting of marital benefits to a category of sexual relationships that are necessarily sterile can only widen the separation between marriage and procreation.





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