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a Question for anyone who believes in god ( serious question) and Yes I am a christian
I am not trying to de-rail religion in general but this has always been a question of mine

that no man can correctly answer

here it is


The Bible says god knows are whole lives beginning to end... our interests our personalities EVERYTHING about us before we are born.....

SO....

I can only assume that god has already pre-determined .. WHO is already going to hell and not going to heaven.....

SO ....

Some of us really did'nt have a chance in the first place...

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I thought of this question any times...

as I am a christian who DOES EVERYTHING that god asks of me...

and it never seems to get better..

NO MATTER HOW HARD A PRAY.. NO Matter how much I tythe .. No matter how much I attend fellowship and read the bible...

So.... I am starting to think that I was already chosen before I was even born to go to hell.. even though I believe in Jesus ...

Would love to here some opinions
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Re: a Question for anyone who believes in god ( serious question) and Yes I am a christian
He knows what is going to happen, He does not make it happen.
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I think you're another example of how organized religion and even the bible have really messed up what could have been a beautiful thing.

For your problem to work you'd have to know, for a fact, that you're going to hell. You don't.

I think that to find peace you need to give up dogmas and yes, for the most part even the bible and look for the truth in your heart. I do believe that's where God put it.

Sorry if that didn't answer your question but please don't give up. God is good, not responsible for the bad and in the end it will all make sense.

hf
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good point OP.... I;m questioning all of this as well, questioning faith is tough but it's no doubt important.
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I think you're another example of how organized religion and even the bible have really messed up what could have been a beautiful thing.

For your problem to work you'd have to know, for a fact, that you're going to hell. You don't.

I think that to find peace you need to give up dogmas and yes, for the most part even the bible and look for the truth in your heart. I do believe that's where God put it.

Sorry if that didn't answer your question but please don't give up. God is good, not responsible for the bad and in the end it will all make sense.

hf
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I'm pretty sure God is both good and bad, yin and yang, all that....
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[link to www.godisimaginary.com]

Exists only in the minds of the mentally ill that have caught the christian mind disease.

No further discussion needed.
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You have asked a classic question which has lead to the numerous divisions within Protestantism. There is "decision theology," where every individual must make a choice to accept or reject Christ. Then there is the theology of the absolute decrees of God, usually called "reformed theology." The basic assumption is that God as absolute sovereign has foreordained some of humanity to salvation, and the rest to damnation.

The conflict really comes from God's omniscience versus an absolute predestination. Yes, God has absolute knowledge of all future events. Does this mean that he has decreed them, or simply that he knows the outcome of all contingent events, i.e. how you or I or anyone will choose between alternatives? Five hundred years of Protestantism has not finally resolved that question. The original view was that humans have free will, which is in direct opposition to reformed theology.

The "mediating position" adopted by most modern reformed churches is that those whom God has chosen are the only ones who will unfailingly persevere to the end. I prefer to think that we still have a choice in our own destiny. But I have no way of proving which view is correct. Does anyone?
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Re: a Question for anyone who believes in god ( serious question) and Yes I am a christian
I am not trying to de-rail religion in general but this has always been a question of mine

that no man can correctly answer
 Quoting: Nuts McTaffy



Hello OP,

If no man can answer correctly, why ask another man?

I mean. If a man trusts in God The Father and trusts in The Son. Could he take such questions to The Father in prayer and meditation and seek answers in scripture and listen to the Holy Spirit guidance and response?

Would The Father not answer such questions?

Would the Spirit not provide guidance and comfort?

jmho.

I hope you find the answers to the questions you are seeking.

Blessings and prayer to you,
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[link to www.godisimaginary.com]

Exists only in the minds of the mentally ill that have caught the christian mind disease.

No further discussion needed.
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Far from mentally ill..

someone mentally ill would not be able to intelligently relay topics that make sense..

My thread is an Very Legitimate Question...
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Re: a Question for anyone who believes in god ( serious question) and Yes I am a christian
Might just be your time for decision...

Can you Trust God Fully with your life?
Do you Know that Father is Worthy of your Complete Trust?

If so, time to tell HIM now.
Want HIM to Relieve your anxieties and take away your fear?

I was Given this Witness: Anyone who has ever Loved Christ Jesus, even only when they were a child, will not be lost or condemned.

Love Jesus with a True heart?
Know WHO Jesus IS?
Then perhaps you need to take action and turn your life over Unto The Father? Who else is there to Trust, Fully and Completely? Who more worthy than The Father?

Might pray about this a while and open your heart Unto God and ask HIM to take over and Guide your life.

You have free-will. Trusting God and Coming Into HIS Accord aligns you with HIM and you will never be on your own again.

May Father's Peace become Known to you.

Maranatha!!!
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I am not trying to de-rail religion in general but this has always been a question of mine

that no man can correctly answer
 Quoting: Nuts McTaffy



Hello OP,

If no man can answer correctly, why ask another man?

I mean. If a man trusts in God The Father and trusts in The Son. Could he take such questions to The Father in prayer and meditation and seek answers in scripture and listen to the Holy Spirit guidance and response?

Would The Father not answer such questions?

Would the Spirit not provide guidance and comfort?

jmho.

I hope you find the answers to the questions you are seeking.

Blessings and prayer to you,
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you got me there.... LoL just hoping god is scrolling through the threads todays and spots mine LoL
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Re: a Question for anyone who believes in god ( serious question) and Yes I am a christian
Jesus reconciled all things to God, which includes you.

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. -- Colossians 1:20


God wants you to be saved and know the truth.

1 First of all, I ask you to pray for everyone. Ask God to help and bless them all, and tell God how thankful you are for each of them. 2 Pray for kings and others in power, so that we may live quiet and peaceful lives as we worship and honor God. 3 This kind of prayer is good, and it pleases God our Savior. 4 God wants everyone to be saved and to know the whole truth, which is, 5 There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of us. -- 1 Timothy 2:1-5
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He knows what is going to happen, He does not make it happen.
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I see what ya mean... but still some of has have had to be pre-placed
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Re: a Question for anyone who believes in god ( serious question) and Yes I am a christian
It's always been harder for some more than others to live the righteous life. Even in the Bible there's examples of people struggling hard with it. Jacob wrestled with God. Jonah ran from God. Paul battled himself all the time.

So what does all this mean? To abandon God? No, because He'll bring you back. The only other option would be to be an enemy of Him. Which is never the smart option since you will surely perish. Keep your faith and keep the struggle because He will reward you in His kingdom. Pray to Him to make it easier. He understands your struggle but He'll never give you more than you can handle. Even if you feel it is.
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I am not trying to de-rail religion in general but this has always been a question of mine

that no man can correctly answer
 Quoting: Nuts McTaffy



Hello OP,

If no man can answer correctly, why ask another man?

I mean. If a man trusts in God The Father and trusts in The Son. Could he take such questions to The Father in prayer and meditation and seek answers in scripture and listen to the Holy Spirit guidance and response?

Would The Father not answer such questions?

Would the Spirit not provide guidance and comfort?

jmho.

I hope you find the answers to the questions you are seeking.

Blessings and prayer to you,
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you got me there.... LoL just hoping god is scrolling through the threads todays and spots mine LoL
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This is God, I saw your thread. I wanted to let you know when you realize I dont exist, you will be free of these time wasting questions.
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There is no god to answer your prayers, no heaven, no hell, when you are dead, you are dead. Period
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Are there different levels of hell? If you kill 1 person are you on, let's say, the first level of hell. If you kill 100 people do you go to a deeper level of hell? Will Hitler be in the same level of hell that a rapist or a shoplifter?
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God's Kingdom is not on this planet, God's Kingdom is where your soul will go and belongs if you are of God.
Never turn from God no matter what happens to your physical body, it was meant to wear away and fail you, the soul not, it is eternal and will be with God. Stay strong in your faith in God.
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Re: a Question for anyone who believes in god ( serious question) and Yes I am a christian
I am not trying to de-rail religion in general but this has always been a question of mine

that no man can correctly answer

here it is


The Bible says god knows are whole lives beginning to end... our interests our personalities EVERYTHING about us before we are born.....

SO....

I can only assume that god has already pre-determined .. WHO is already going to hell and not going to heaven.....

SO ....

Some of us really did'nt have a chance in the first place...

-----------------------

I thought of this question any times...

as I am a christian who DOES EVERYTHING that god asks of me...

and it never seems to get better..

NO MATTER HOW HARD A PRAY.. NO Matter how much I tythe .. No matter how much I attend fellowship and read the bible...

So.... I am starting to think that I was already chosen before I was even born to go to hell.. even though I believe in Jesus ...

Would love to here some opinions
 Quoting: Nuts McTaffy


Alternate realities, there are many rooms in the father's house, or somethin like that.

In some reality you go to hell, in another you go to heaven. If God can see the future and see that you are going to hell that is only one option, it can go either way and it goes both ways.
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I am not trying to de-rail religion in general but this has always been a question of mine

that no man can correctly answer
 Quoting: Nuts McTaffy



Hello OP,

If no man can answer correctly, why ask another man?

I mean. If a man trusts in God The Father and trusts in The Son. Could he take such questions to The Father in prayer and meditation and seek answers in scripture and listen to the Holy Spirit guidance and response?

Would The Father not answer such questions?

Would the Spirit not provide guidance and comfort?

jmho.

I hope you find the answers to the questions you are seeking.

Blessings and prayer to you,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


you got me there.... LoL just hoping god is scrolling through the threads todays and spots mine LoL
 Quoting: Nuts McTaffy


I can only share a mans view OP.

I think God is not interested in ritual.

I think God is interested in an intimate relationship and knows the heart. He knows us better than we know ourselves.

When we draw near to him he certainly draws near to us.

Set aside some time ans seek him through prayer and through scripture and through fasting (if you are inclined).

I hope you draw near to him and feel his presence. It is unmistakable.

JMHO. Another mans opinion.

Hope for you today.

peace,
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It has to do with the illusion of time! Solomon already knew this - see the below quote.

Eternity is NOW - always has been and always will be! NOW is eternally changing - this is the eternal constant. Also, the Almighty God - Eternal Source of ALL existence - spiritual and physical - encompasses ALL, this means you already dwell in God and can't be expelled. If you could be expelled, it would mean that there is something outside and hence greater than the Almighty.
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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I know even the most righteous man will fall 7 times...

as this may be my 7th

I do trust in god 100%

but i have been let down by promises that were said in the bible...
for example

God is your provider not job..

give god 10% of your earnings as a sign of trusting god while here on earth .. with promises of grace sprinkled on you from heaven for having such faith...


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now where I am

Lost my job .. Starving kid and pregnant wife.. barely able to feed them and not myself... we have no family here.. my car got stolen 2 days after I lost my job... SO I ride my bike to fill out apps... walk out of store bike is stolen...

No Money No Food.. No trans.. GOD WHERE IS THE PROVIDING I WAS PROMISED....


STILL Tything with Money I do not have that I could feed MYSELF WITH..... But I am trusting in god with the 5 dollars a week I HAVE FOR MY FOOD... WAITING FOR GRACE...


I cried out to god literally TEARS to give me a break....

No help from god... No help... from faith......

.............
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3D thinking using your earthly 5 senses do not work at all when it comes to try to understand God's ways. Yes, there is some predetermination but, at the same time, your freewill weighs a lot; otherwise , we wouldnt be living in tis mess we are in nowadays. In fact , it matters so much, that he respect even Satan's legal ownership of this planet, which we lost aeons ago. But dont believe me, trust your sincere and honest faith while praying for understanding.

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1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

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Oh my goodness OP: God does not predetermine your path for you!

Even in God's kingdom, there is "sequencing of events"......GROWTH!

And there is NO Hell........unless you make one for yourself!
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Stupids Kingdom is not on this planet, Stupids Kingdom is where your soul will go and belongs if you are of Stupid.
Never turn from Stupid no matter what happens to your physical body, it was meant to wear away and fail you, the soul not, it is eternal and will be with Stupid. Stay stupid in your faith in Stupid.
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There is no god to answer your prayers, no heaven, no hell, when you are dead, you are dead. Period
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I just cant think like that.. it seems so .... HOPELESS
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Before taking the bible word for word as absolute fact - look at it rather as a field in which there are a handful of precious gems buried. You have to turn over a lot of earth before finding them but they are worth the effort!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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The Bible says god knows are whole lives beginning to end... our interests our personalities EVERYTHING about us before we are born.....

SO....

I can only assume that god has already pre-determined .. WHO is already going to hell and not going to heaven.....

SO ....

Some of us really did'nt have a chance in the first place...



So.... I am starting to think that I was already chosen before I was even born to go to hell.. even though I believe in Jesus ...

Would love to here some opinions
 Quoting: Nuts McTaffy


The bible says that God knows the end from the beginning. It also says that He has thoughts concerning us more than the grains of sand on the seashore. It says that He knits us together in our mother's wombs, has counted the hairs on our heads.

Here's the thing, nobody deserves to go to heaven within themselves or their own merits. All fall short. So, everyone goes to hell....unless....

the believe in God and the One whom He has sent.

You don't have to be religious, or pious, or holy... EVERYONE falls short.

all you have to do is believe.

SO...
to answer your question...
everyone goes to hell, unless they come to believe.

Hope this helps.
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There is no god to answer your prayers, no heaven, no hell, when you are dead, you are dead. Period
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I just cant think like that.. it seems so .... HOPELESS
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Its actually very liberating, now you are completly responsible for your life and actions.
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So God is not giving you what you want right now.

Perhaps God is looking for a servant he can boast about?

One who's faith is not wavered by things which are temporal.

One who he can prune so that he may grow stronger and more close with?

Perhaps your faith is being tried in a furnace to prove it is more valuable than anything else in this world?

Are you familiar with the book of Job? I imagine you are.

Are you familiar with the book of Daniel (shadrach meshach and abednego).

I am sure you have read those stories. There are lessons for us all in scripture.

P.S. Please provide a way in which one can contact you for help with money for food and needs and it shall be supplied.

In his love.

peace,
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Hi
First i am not a Christian
but i will reply to your question from what i believe

yes god knows already where are we going
he know what happened whats going to happen and if there was another scenario how it will be going to happen
not because he made it happen but because he knows all
it is like you traveled to future and seen future events and you know what will happen but if you didn't interfere it will happen like you've seen it cause only you determine your destiny.

from what you say whatever you do you don't feel right

so i have an advice for you whatever your believe is try to ask god always to direct your steps ask tell him that you want heaven not hell and that he guide you to what he likes his followers to do and ask him by his name "GOD"
and i am sure you will find your path

i am not suggesting any religion im just telling you what to do and you will truly find what god likes you to do in Christianity or any other religion





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