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** STOCK MARKET CRISIS?? - RISK ON VS. RISK OFF **

 
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As of this writing at 11:53 P.M. E.S.T. June 24th, 2011 some VERY DISTURBING situations are presenting themselves in what may very well be setting up for a possible STOCK MARKET collapse here.. We hope it does not happen but we will let you be the judge!

As a trader of more than 20+ years experience we have noticed a number of very disturbing situations here starting off with

#1 A key secret Market Metric that simply measures whether the market is trading risk on (bullish) or risk off (bearsih) is in danger of failiing the key 113.60 support.

Thread: ** STOCKMARKET ALERT: EURO / YEN : RISK ON / RISK OFF 'SECRET' METRIC FAILING**

#2 Credit Default swaps on the 5 European P I I G S have all closed at records on Friday June 24th as the cost to insure $1 million in Bonds of those countries (as measured in Basis Points) move into uncharted territory...

Thread: ******** BREAKING!!! EUROPE CREDIT-DEFAULT SWAPS SURGE TO RECORDS (RED ALERT) ********

..as rates on European Bonds are screaming higher..

[link to euro-bonds.appspot.com]


#3 China's SHIBOR (Shanghai Interbank Lending Rates) are creeping up drying up liquidity for their here-to-now appettite for our U.S. Debt

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

#4 All of the finanical indices MACD lines are weakening here....which is a technical RED ALERT for traders....

[link to chart.ly]

#5 One other trading secret which utilitzes SPY (S&P 500 ETF) option pricing prtrays a very scary picture as the MIRROR IMAGE options of the ETF (which closed at 126.81) on Friday June 24th are VERY HEAVILYT skewed in pricing toward the PUT side..

[link to delayedquotes.cboe.com]

#6 And finally the best DOOM of all is that Greece will vote on the ECB austerity package on Tuesday with about 75% of the populace OPPOSED to it. Andrew Busch, global currency and public policy strategist for BMO Capital, agrees. "We're getting into big time risk-off mode," he says. Greece's vote Tuesday on new austerity measures won't help matters, Busch says. "If they pass the austerity measures, there are going to be riots in the streets. People are going to be burning things. If they don't pass it, the financial markets are burned. Either way, this is a lose lose, and I just don't like the euro at all."

[link to www.google.com]

If the Financial Markets are able to Dodge this one it will be nothing short of a Miracle!


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I for one do seriously hope that the damage will be minimal and that Greece can come through and vote for the package to give the Markets a bit more time..
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It seems that even the Great Bernake will have a challenge trying to pull this rabbit out of its hat..
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I for one do seriously hope that the damage will be minimal and that Greece can come through and vote for the package to give the Markets a bit more time..
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Why give the markets more time? The markets know what's coming, it's inevitable. All the "bail-outs" are for is to give the banks/investors more time to extract every bit of wealth from the country before letting it fail.

Fuck 'em.
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Nice work OP, I've been waiting for the crash for over a year now, and can't believe how well it's done. Well, that human psychology for you. Who can understand it? Who would've spent their life savings on a tulip bulb? Some things just never change
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If enough people read this doom thread, there will be a stock market collapse.

As long as key support is intact, no cigar, the market continues unabated.
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Please rest assured...we are not trying to precipitate a collapse..just wanting to bring to light a few undenyable truths..
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I only need to know this. Tomato plants in or out.
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I only need to know this. Tomato plants in or out.
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I only need to know this. Tomato plants in or out.
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It's very important for you to sell forward any non-viable tomatoes. re-sell expired options on viable crop and hedge against rain and thunder. The EU might lend you some money, but then again they might not. Otherwise, just put them in a greenhouse, which is both in and out.
Good Luck!
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thanks man. i like your threads!
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Not to be contrarian, but...

200 DMA is the metric that matters, if it matters at all in a fully manipulated govt controlled environ.

The Chinese have been staying away for almost 2 years so not like they suddenly have toned down their buying. Fact is, they hold very little compared to what they had in 2007 and prior.


Probably won't be a "crash".
More likely a closing and then collapse without a chance to move or cash-out.

Anyone who is buying paper and figures to get away with a pile of cash, if you ain't already got the cash; likely you never will... And if you got it, whatcha gonna do with it before it is shunned or a relic of days gone past?
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it is about time!!!!!
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Thanks user 1439244, in fact it is the 200 Day Moving average that is important. Minor Brain Fart there...thanks again for the correction.
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Thanks for sharing OP.

I don't have much knowledge of economy, but based on the few things that I've learnt in the last years, the thing is OP, I think the economy is manipulated and kept afloat and going over artifical credit, and will only go down when the elite pull out this artificial support.

But those signals are in fact worrisome, and the elite is building a history in order that there appears to be a history and that the events have unfolded spontaneously, while at the same time they can extend the situation almost indefinitely. So in the end we never know when things will happen.

My take (by intuition) would be that this crisis is not the final yet, but if this propagates worldwide, it will of course make the economy worser than what it is now. Of course I might be wrong too and this might also be the beggining of the final crisis. Again, I don't know.
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It seems that even the Great Bernake will have a challenge trying to pull this rabbit out of its hat..
 Quoting: fedspeak


Hat...
More like head outta ass is more like it. We have heard stock doom before i'll wait until it happens then rejoice about it. popcorn
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As of this writing at 11:53 P.M. E.S.T. June 24th, 2011 some VERY DISTURBING situations are presenting themselves in what may very well be setting up for a possible STOCK MARKET collapse here.. We hope it does not happen but we will let you be the judge!

As a trader of more than 20+ years experience we have noticed a number of very disturbing situations here starting off with

#1 A key secret Market Metric that simply measures whether the market is trading risk on (bullish) or risk off (bearsih) is in danger of failiing the key 113.60 support.

Thread: ** STOCKMARKET ALERT: EURO / YEN : RISK ON / RISK OFF 'SECRET' METRIC FAILING**

#2 Credit Default swaps on the 5 European P I I G S have all closed at records on Friday June 24th as the cost to insure $1 million in Bonds of those countries (as measured in Basis Points) move into uncharted territory.

Thread: ******** BREAKING!!! EUROPE CREDIT-DEFAULT SWAPS SURGE TO RECORDS (RED ALERT) ********

#3 China's SHIBOR (Shanghai Interbank Lending Rates) are creeping up drying up liquidity for their here-to-now appettite for our U.S. Debt

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

#4 All of the finanical indices have broken below thier key 200 Day moving average...which is a technical RED ALERT for traders..implying a SELL SIGNAL..

[link to chart.ly]

#5 One other trading secret which utilitzes SPY (S&P 500 ETF) option pricing prtrays a very scary picture as the MIRROR IMAGE options of the ETF (which closed at 126.81) on Friday June 24th are VERY HEAVILYT skewed in pricing toward the PUT side

[link to delayedquotes.cboe.com]

#6 And finally the best DOOM of all is that Greece will vote on the ECB austerity package on Tuesday with about 75% of the populace OPPOSED to it. Andrew Busch, global currency and public policy strategist for BMO Capital, agrees. "We're getting into big time risk-off mode," he says. Greece's vote Tuesday on new austerity measures won't help matters, Busch says. "If they pass the austerity measures, there are going to be riots in the streets. People are going to be burning things. If they don't pass it, the financial markets are burned. Either way, this is a lose lose, and I just don't like the euro at all."

[link to www.google.com]

If the Financial Markets are able to Dodge this one it will be nothing short of a Miracle!

 Quoting: fedspeak


Great thread.. bump
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If enough people read this doom thread, there will be a stock market collapse.

As long as key support is intact, no cigar, the market continues unabated.
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Baaahahahahaaaaa! :dumbshit:
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The glp effect, coming to a stock market near you.
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Again, great thread, op. I'm just a bit skeptical of the doomsday predictions. We all know it's coming, but when? Weren't we supposed to get financial doom 3 years ago? What's different now than it was then? Surely our money overlords still have tricks up their sleeves?
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OPiee you are right, the markets are going to fall...

But Something Spectacular happenned in the Indian Stock Market (Bombay Stock Exchange) Yesterday....


Guess what my source told the market is going to fall...

Then it fell more than 2.5% around 500 points...


What happened at the end of the day was that all the money which was pumped out was substituted buy FII's (Foreign Institutional Investments which are owned by the Banksters, so one thing is clear they are not going to let the indian and chinese markets fall flat because that is what they are selling, they are selling a boom for INDIA and CHINA...

So you can safely invest here in IndIA...
What ever the fall it will first come in Europe..

Peace and Love...
Namaste...

Take care..Have some Survival Spare.
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Thanks for sharing OP.

I don't have much knowledge of economy, but based on the few things that I've learnt in the last years, the thing is OP, I think the economy is manipulated and kept afloat and going over artifical credit, and will only go down when the elite pull out this artificial support.

But those signals are in fact worrisome, and the elite is building a history in order that there appears to be a history and that the events have unfolded spontaneously, while at the same time they can extend the situation almost indefinitely. So in the end we never know when things will happen.

My take (by intuition) would be that this crisis is not the final yet, but if this propagates worldwide, it will of course make the economy worser than what it is now. Of course I might be wrong too and this might also be the beggining of the final crisis. Again, I don't know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1442272


The economy is absolutely manipulated and on many many levels. But the economy is manipulated in the same way that a river is manipulated by building a dam and holding back the water. That can work for a long time, but eventually nature is going to throw you a curve ball that your dam can't handle. And, when the dam breaks, look out below.
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OPiee you are right, the markets are going to fall...

But Something Spectacular happenned in the Indian Stock Market (Bombay Stock Exchange) Yesterday....


Guess what my source told the market is going to fall...

Then it fell more than 2.5% around 500 points...


What happened at the end of the day was that all the money which was pumped out was substituted buy FII's (Foreign Institutional Investments which are owned by the Banksters, so one thing is clear they are not going to let the indian and chinese markets fall flat because that is what they are selling, they are selling a boom for INDIA and CHINA...

So you can safely invest here in IndIA...
What ever the fall it will first come in Europe..

Peace and Love...
Namaste...

Take care..Have some Survival Spare.
 Quoting: asas 1442368


You're under the impression that this is all under their control. It's not. They only have so many fingers to plug up so many leaks before it all gets away from them.
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OPiee you are right, the markets are going to fall...

But Something Spectacular happenned in the Indian Stock Market (Bombay Stock Exchange) Yesterday....


Guess what my source told the market is going to fall...

Then it fell more than 2.5% around 500 points...


What happened at the end of the day was that all the money which was pumped out was substituted buy FII's (Foreign Institutional Investments which are owned by the Banksters, so one thing is clear they are not going to let the indian and chinese markets fall flat because that is what they are selling, they are selling a boom for INDIA and CHINA...

So you can safely invest here in IndIA...
What ever the fall it will first come in Europe..

Peace and Love...
Namaste...

Take care..Have some Survival Spare.
 Quoting: asas 1442368


You're under the impression that this is all under their control. It's not. They only have so many fingers to plug up so many leaks before it all gets away from them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1440415


Ofcourse it's gonna fall, but not first in India and China....so u can pump in hear with a far greater return on investment and far less risk of crash than you can in the european and north american and korean markets at this time.

Peace and Love.
Namaste.
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Let us hope that it does not happen
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Hopefully the news gets better..
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the value of the dollar will also have a large effect on this. if dollar stays weak, you will see markets hang in for a while longer.

whats your take on the dollar op?





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