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U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!!

 
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There were two electricity standards developed a long time ago. 60 cycle for the U.S and 50 cycle for the UK and Europe and most of the rest of the world. However, Japan uses both.

There is another electrical system used for airplanes. 400 c/s at 115 volts is the standard for all aircraft electrical systems. As far as I know this is a world wide standard for airplanes.
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anyone watching the show Falling Skies?

it's the show about life after the grid is fried... with aliens for good measure.

foreshadowing via art... a common tactic.
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I found the comment about decoupling the phase of input sources to be interesting, there should be more attention paid to that.

Also, Germany in WWII kept lowering the frequency of their electrical grid as an energy conservation measure.
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Your second point is VERY interesting.

Since we're living under the Fourth Reich it makes a lot of sense.
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What's this going to do to our brains? I mean, a tight range of frequency has been the norm for a long time now - what happens when that's allowed to wander significantly?

Prepare for hoards of zombies
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THIS!

I will say this once. they know that certain frequencies affect human significantly. either making them anxious, lethargic or even psychotic!

and on a side note. 1/3 of my city had a deliberate power outage last night from 8pm to 6am just last night/today.

no reason why, just a notice in the mail...I have never lived through this before. my entire area for blocks and blocks was BLACK. it was surreal

anyway......things that make ya wanna go huh
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I find this to be very interesting..the company running our entire grid, along with canada and baja mexico is a non profit venture

and if you check out the link...alllllllllllllll the names of the various boards are "private" files. Why?

[link to www.nerc.com]
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anyone watching the show Falling Skies?

it's the show about life after the grid is fried... with aliens for good measure.

foreshadowing via art... a common tactic.
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Yea thats a pretty interesting show.spockhmm
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As long as I'm at work when it happens. Yay! Get home 20 minutes quicker.
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Why would our GOv Do This????

Possible answers are:

1. Cause everyone to have to purchase a "Gov Certified" appliance to replace every one of their existing ones, or they will be taken off of the grid.

2. House to house inspections to verify compliance.


3.Look to see who in Gov and Industry is set to benefit from
replacing all of the electronics (GE).

4. You will have to buy a Phase converter Box for certain systems.

5. Electrical systems that share current from other networks, must be in phase with each other or TRANSFORMERS MAY EXPLODE.


6.Overheating in some systems.


Other Outcomes??????
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bsflag

Even if they did change frequency, it would mostly affect motors: like hvac, fans in the bathrooms, small appliances etc.

Computer equipment is using impulse (regulated/switched) power supplies - it would not be affected.

But you made this up!
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So, you're saying that air conditioners may go out? In mid July, at the height of the summer and hottest part of the year? People in Arizona will die!
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Can't be done on a national level; this can only be tested on what is called an "island" basis. Electronic governors on all generators would have to be modified and this has not occurred. If frequency was allowed to drift beyond current settings generation stations would start dropping off the grid in a domino effect.
This same experiment was conducted by the Soviets and it caused the burnout and failure of industrial motors and electronic systems that had to be replaced over an entire industrial region. There are countless monitoring relays and switches that are already set to a national frequency standard. Any tinkering with frequency range will trigger these devices and the grid will go into "blackout". I just can't believe that NERC and other state regulatory agencies would allow this. Besides, it's a "nitwit" idea.
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you say it's a nitwit idea, but why, can you explain why they would be doing this in the first place? Last night 1/3 of my entire little city was shut down from 8pm to 6am this morning. they did not tell us why just that it was going to happen.

so, it's interesting that you state they would do this i "islands" that's exactly what I felt like last night -and island of darkness
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Forget the circuit breakers. This type of an incident can simply weld them shut before they can open. Total fry after that, in o.oo26 seconds.
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You mean weld the box shut? Fine, I'll just leave mine open.
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Nice!

They won't even have to get on TV to issue pretences of plausible deniability, or even say a sheepfaced "Oops!", cause we won't have any TV'S left to hear or see them.

Unless cosmic factors are necessitating an emergency attempt at grid-stability, unless nobody truly desires to purposefully bring the grid down, then ya kinda gotta assume it's more whiz-kid ignorance at play.

Old man once told me, "If the shit don't stink, don't kick it."

If the grid works (and there's no cosmic peril ya ain't tellin' us of) then, PLEASE LEAVE IT ALONE.
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Forced decentralization of manufacturing and fabrication, of power generation, and eventually, population. Cottage manufacturing renaissance; the central planners will decentralize all sectors of the economy; and at the same time they will consolidate power into fewer and fewer hands. Exactly what you would do if you were preparing to fight a long war of attrition; which we are, imo.
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get ur solar equipment set up NOW
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Well, the sun will probably just fry those.

Same as it has been turning trees and grass to toast.
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get ur solar equipment set up NOW
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Well, the sun will probably just fry those.

Same as it has been turning trees and grass to toast.
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I honestly think that has more to do with chemicals from chemtrails.Ok start your chemtard bullshit now and i ty in advance!

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Benjamin Franklin left the Constitutional Convention in 1787, He was approached by a Mrs. Powell, who asked him, "What have you given us, Dr. Franklin?"
"A Republic," he replied, "If you can keep it.

"If you want to make someone angry, tell him a lie; if you want to make him furious, tell him the truth. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident". - A. Schopenhauer Philosopher"


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does this mean i will be blowing out even more light bulbs and electical equipment? i can't even wear a fucking watch as it is!!!!!!

i suppose i don't have to get a new harddrive for my laptop now. gaah
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I'm thinking about getting out a deck of cards and some dominoes since this thread makes it sound like we'll not have any more entertainment of any kind.
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You guys are retarded
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yep

not going to explain nothing

would do no good
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[insert president's name here] can declare Martial Law and cancel the [insert election year here] Election.
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^^Right^^ That's what they said about George Bush, too!
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Hi, GLP Angel. I know they did but it really is true. It's in the Constitution, which I guess is one argument for changing it. I read somewhere this week some group wants to.

And with Obama's poll numbers and the fact that everyone's turning against him I wouldn't put it past him to do SOMETHING to remain in office.

I can't believe he's still IN office.
My, we've become a stupid, foolish, nation.
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Good GOD! We DO NOT want to change the constitution! A Con Con would open Pandora's box, and the "new and improved" Constitution we get will NOT be good for us! We will be screwed even worse than we are now.
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Wish I had one them tunnel boring machines; I'm ready to abandon the surface life. It's too hot and crazy up heremadriver
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THIS!

I will say this once. they know that certain frequencies affect human significantly. either making them anxious, lethargic or even psychotic!

and on a side note. 1/3 of my city had a deliberate power outage last night from 8pm to 6am just last night/today.

no reason why, just a notice in the mail.
..I have never lived through this before. my entire area for blocks and blocks was BLACK. it was surreal

anyway......things that make ya wanna go huh
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wtf

Where do you live?

And people got LETTERS???? How much crime went on in your city during the night?
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There's a lot not being said. I have worked at several power plants. Our system is called a grid because there is more than one plant supplying the power. All of these power plants have to match phase of the AC cycle.

Now get this. 60hz is VLF. Antenna size is based on wavelength. We have miles and miles of power transmission lines, operating at 10's of thousands of volts, phase matched- thus an efficient antenna. I think they know or have figured out that the cohesive 60hz vlf/"humm" is causing problems somewhere. Also this cohesive grid antenna receives as well as transmits... think EMP magnet.

What they are talking about is decoupling the power grid so that the different elements don't have to be phased matched.

I don't know why I had to tell that story- seems like they should give more information... like maybe the 60hz hum is causing bees and birds trouble.. I dunno.
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That is the best explanation here. I think the bees -"they" probably don't care too much about...but what if it had something to do with China having a new "game-changing" weapon..and these storms and weird transformer explosions in the U.S. are all related...
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So, you're saying that air conditioners may go out? In mid July, at the height of the summer and hottest part of the year? People in Arizona will die!
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I imagine they know that. They couldn't have done this in April, huh?

Not that they SHOULD be doing it at all!

rant
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Wish I had one them tunnel boring machines; I'm ready to abandon the surface life. It's too hot and crazy up heremadriver
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Well please pick me up on the way.
Thanks.
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60hz frequency messes with your thyroid, so varying the frequency could be a blessing in disguise.
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Or a curse. Maybe they've discovered a benefit (for them) to using a different frequency other than 60 Hertz.

Either way, I don't like the sound of it. I've been dragging my feet in putting together a battery bank/inverter back-up system in the house. I need to get moving on that asap.

Basically, I just want to be able to generate/store enough juice to power the refrigerator, freezer, and with the use of a step-up transformer, my 240 Volt well pump. Not so concerned with the water heater or heat pump/AC.

With my three main concerns all running very intermittently, I figure it won't take a very elaborate system. And, I should have enough excess to run a light or small appliance now and then.

I really need to get on this. First, the batteries. Then the Inverter/Charger combination unless I opt for separate ones, and the step-up transformer. Then I'll wire it up and test it to make sure it's running correctly.

I plan to buy a small wind charger and a 2-4 solar panels and run the wiring for them, but I don't plan to actually install them until it becomes clear that any outage is long-term. I'm hoping to keep them packaged and perhaps protected in some type of faraday cage until needed.

Anyway, that's my plan. Gotta get on those batteries NOW. I have a couple of sources lined up, but if anyone knows of any good sources and recommended brands of batteries, please let me know.
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so THIS is where our TAX DOLARS are being spent on, FUCKING with OUR ELECTRICITY!!!!!!

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[link to www.highbeam.com]

It is because they are utilizing the grid to send emf's into our homes and using it for torture and mind control. Better get yourselves elf, emf rf detectors and learn the charts.

Be prepared. Our homes are our prisions and torture chambers. Been a detainee/prisoner for 4 years and know people that have been so for 25 years.
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PIN THIS NOW!

This is designed to destroy all non-Big Brother approved technology including technology that doesn't have tracking devices.

And if they cause a nationwide blackout, Obama can declare Martial Law and cancel the 2012 Election.
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A yearlong experiment with America's electric grid could mess up traffic lights, security systems and some computers — and make plug-in clocks and appliances like programmable coffeemakers run up to 20 minutes fast.

"A lot of people are going to have things break and they're not going to know why," said Demetrios Matsakis, head of the time service department at the U.S. Naval Observatory, one of two official timekeeping agencies in the federal government.

Since 1930, electric clocks have kept time based on the rate of the electrical current that powers them. If the current slips off its usual rate, clocks run a little fast or slow. Power companies now take steps to correct it and keep the frequency of the current — and the time — as precise as possible.

The group that oversees the U.S. power grid is proposing an experiment that would allow more frequency variation than it does now without corrections, according to a company presentation obtained by The Associated Press.

Officials say they want to try this to make the power supply more reliable, save money and reduce what may be needless efforts. The test is tentatively set to start in mid-July, but that could change.
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bsflag

The British want this land. Everyone knows that. So tell me, do you think they really want it covered in radiation? If the grid goes down, at least 1/2 of our reactors will be screwed. America will glow green from space. BRIGHT green.
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1) The Brits already own this land. (You/We were taught FALSE history.)

2) The Chinese have liens on this land.
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hahaha no f'ing way

if this is for real... it ain't because they are 'experimenting'

it would mean they know time dilation is going to be occurring

may you live in interesting times? HA! I hope so!! like an acid trip without the acid.

afro
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That makes good sense
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Why can't the government stick to running foreign policy and maintaining an army? They have to put their dirty hands on every aspect of private life - even the frequency of the currents running in our wires!
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All line transformers (on the poles or at stations) have a narrow bandpass tuned to 60HZ. Other frequencies can pass from primary to secondary but will be greatly attenuated. Hence the probelm with implimenting WAN-on-power-lines.

Transformers designed to pass other than 60Hz are very expensive to design and build. Especially high voltage AND high current. Something the electric companies will not do and have not done.
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this will be a test of STAR WARRRZ OR BLUBEAM = magnosphear turned into a eletrice emp sheid device for astriod aliens or russia





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