U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1440585 Mexico 06/25/2011 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! could be that the grid needs to be powered down because something is being switched on that requires a reboot of griddy. could be psychologically preparing people for third-world type power rationing. unless we are the people doingthis we will never know the true intentions. the above is merely speculation to move the thread along and for people to think outside the power box |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1417611 United States 06/25/2011 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! If the 60HZ AC is off a little, it doesn't matter. If its off too much below 60HZ, anything that uses ac will either not work or run slower or dimmer. If its over 60Hz by a lot, then things could fry but if its over a little, usually nothing happens. Anything that requires DC has a transformer so those electronics should be ok unless its way off of 60hz, then won't work or transformers will burn up. Most have fuses anyway. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1443377 United States 06/25/2011 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! You guys are fucking retarded. If you honestly believe that your appliances and gadgets won't run on a slightly higher frequency (sounds like 75hz, maybe 80) you should never even come close to any electrical device. Now if they LOWERED the frequency to say 40hz....that would be a problem as transformers and other impedance loads would allow more current to flow, creating heat, which leads to failure. You guys need a reality check.....bad. |
garageDoorOpener User ID: 1384847 United States 06/25/2011 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! Where I live in RI, recently the Navy had an issue with a frequency they were using which was jamming people's remote garage door openers. [link to www.630wpro.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1443377 United States 06/25/2011 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! WAIT A MINUTE BEFORE SHILLING, THIS CAN BE DONE! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1439726I have a HUGE amount of experience in this area. The most terrifying thing that can possibly happen to any electrical facility is to come on line out of phase with the grid. OH GOD, the explanation is something that cannot be described to people who don't know anything about electricity. If you go online out of phase, your voltage will go out negative or positive in RELATION TO THE GRID, which means infinite current draw on your equipment. This means horrific explosions - the equipment is not designed to handle that scenario because the current involved would be driven by momentum in the equipment, so peak outputs can be thousands of times higher for a very brief moment, a moment as long as a major detonation. Momentum is the enemy, you cannot simply drop the speed or increase the speed of a large generator fast enough to accomodate the fact that it came online at the wrong frequency or out of phase. The manner in which the title of this post was written makes it clear that this is a highly credible post, who would think to make this stuff up? Want to destroy a major power plant? FEED IT THE WRONG FREQUENCY. Ummmm....no. And again.....no. Current draw is based on ohms and impedance, not polarity. Impedance = resistance variable by frequency. Lower frequencies have lower impedance, higher frequencies have higher impedance in any inductive load. Transformers are inductive, so are the turbines that 'pump' the charge down the line. Even a straight wire has inductance. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1380793 United States 06/25/2011 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! Allowing the power system frequency to wander without having to ultimately correct its average value over a 24 hour period to keep shaded pole synchronous motor driven clocks accurate also allows power systems to be more easily overloaded. Overloading of a system of interconnected synchronous generating machines automatically slows all of the machines down and the system frequency drops. Normally, at some point in the day, if the system has been overloaded to the point of slowing the generators down for a period of time, some lightly loaded period must correspondingly occur where the machines run faster to compensate for it, i.e. during light load like late at night to ultimately keep what are now outdated synchronous clocks accurate. Somebody has decided it is more expedient to be able to CONTINUOSLY overload the power system without having to be concerned about old fashioned clock accuracy. Continuous overload=continuous low frequency=slow synchronous motor driven clocks. A likely scenario where the requirement for a power system to make synchronous clock accuracy no longer be a condition of concern would be the need to overload the system on a more regular basis. This could be due to future concerns and public outcry over nuclear power resulting in a marked increase in nuclear power plant downtime. More nuke plants down=more system overload=to hell with going to all the trouble of keeping old fashioned synchronous clocks accurate. |
Wookiee666 User ID: 1443233 United States 06/26/2011 12:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! YOU CANT GET MORE RELIABLE POWER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW !!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342519You are damned right. America's power grid is BAR NONE THE BEST IN THE WORLD. It's the most fault tolerant, re-directable, self-resetting, overload immune system money (within sensible limits) can buy. Screwing with it is like handing a ferarri over to a tinkering teenager. seconded Warning: JustSomeGuy_42 is a publicly confessed unvaxxed neophiliac . If the number 666 is considered evil. then technically, 25.8069758 is the root of all evil. |
Miggy User ID: 1183962 United States 06/26/2011 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1439433 How will this affect surge protectors? It won't dear. Surge protectors use MOV's (with perhaps some inductive filtering). MOV's just provide a low resistance clamp after a certain high voltage is presented. If we had an EMP you can kiss 'em goodbuy. Thank you, kind poster. Miggy |
Miggy User ID: 1183962 United States 06/26/2011 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! hey Mig Quoting: Icethis is not going to happen this is what I do daily - the grid is a local thing that does support a national grid but we do not have a national grid per say our local Baton Rouge area is broke down by sections - regions- districts the 60hz question - it's a given that all sections are based on equipment that run at 60 hz - when a turbine goes off-line for maintenance you come back up in a no load status - then you synec based on a low load to the grid at 60 hz and equipment has built in safety synec protection that only allows synec and breaker closer to matching 60 hz speed of the section grid at breaker closer the section 60 hz condition is then driven by 100 plus turbines all acting as one turbine - this is how it is and to think someone or anyone will change this on a certain day is lacking the facts of how it works enjoyed getting to know you and hope you are doing well ice Ice, it is SO good to see you. You are still in my nightly prayers. I hope you and your family are well. In Christ, Miggy |
Miggy User ID: 1183962 United States 06/26/2011 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! sounds like a good way to fry most appliances so consumers will have to buy new ones-----made in china Quoting: Anonymous Coward 765073I know. But did you read this week that China is going to build some kind of self-sufficient community just outside of Iowa or Idaho or somewhere? So does that mean that whatever they produce can legally say, "Made in the USA"? And who permitted this crap???? What in God's name has this country SUNK too???!!!! |
Miggy User ID: 1183962 United States 06/26/2011 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! Where I live in RI, recently the Navy had an issue with a frequency they were using which was jamming people's remote garage door openers. Quoting: garageDoorOpener 1384847[link to www.630wpro.com] Now THAT is interesting. A few years ago while living in Vegas (Nellis AFB located there) one day we all got locked out of our cars- I'm talking ALL over the city. Our car remotes stopped working, alarms were going off, etc. Turned out to be military related. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 794598 United States 06/27/2011 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! I find this to be very interesting..the company running our entire grid, along with canada and baja mexico is a non profit venture Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1434789and if you check out the link...alllllllllllllll the names of the various boards are "private" files. Why? [link to www.nerc.com] Click the fun research link I provide. Click start a new map. In the drop down add "organization"; then put in the full name of NERC... very interesting who and what comes up.... names and affiliations aren't so private here... [link to mapper.nndb.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1136718 United States 06/27/2011 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! You guys are fucking retarded. If you honestly believe that your appliances and gadgets won't run on a slightly higher frequency (sounds like 75hz, maybe 80) you should never even come close to any electrical device. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1443377Now if they LOWERED the frequency to say 40hz....that would be a problem as transformers and other impedance loads would allow more current to flow, creating heat, which leads to failure. You guys need a reality check.....bad. |
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Lord Challen User ID: 1443452 United States 06/28/2011 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: U.S. Government Planning To Fry The Entire Electric Grid In July By Screwing With The 60 HZ Frequency!! hahaha no f'ing way Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1421992if this is for real... it ain't because they are 'experimenting' it would mean they know time dilation is going to be occurring may you live in interesting times? HA! I hope so!! like an acid trip without the acid. Honestly, I was sort of like, WTF? Then I read this article. The only practical reason to allow the frequency to wander is to fix a bigger problem. The frequency MUST be corrected. The equipment to do it is computerized and basically solid state, no moving parts. The grid must be harmonized to a certain point, so why make it less harmonized when we have the technology and equipment to make it near perfect? Because there is a bigger problem. The have been many strange events on the grids lately, like strange humming noise that tell of a grid out of phase. Also transformers blowing up across huge section of grid also speak of a grid out of phase. When I watched and heard these events, I think, "either someone is screwing with the 60Hz, or there is some sort of time distortion going on. While I could not imagine why some would intentional screw with the 60Hz, I was left with a half belief that something might be going on with the time. Now that I hear that might be messing with the 60Hz, but haven't started yet, I think it is because of they might be trying to adjust for the time issues. There is not other reason to allow the phase to differ. Correcting phase does cost money, but correcting it less doesn't cost less. Truth is the reaction to the presence of consciousness. |