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**** REAL OR FAKE? KUBRICK MOON FILM ******
To preface: I do not believe the moon landing ever happened.

But I need some information about this video - in it, Donald Rumsfeld is talking, and it's made for the viewer to believe he's saying that Nixon was referring to faking the moon landing, but nowhere in the vid does Rumsfeld or Kissinger ever actually say that outright OR mention Stanley Kubrick's name, although Kubrick's widow mentions Kissinger.

I think General Walters statements - and his shocking death - is a very compelling part of this story.

It also says "Kubrick was the last direct witness of the hoax still living" . . . were the actors no longer around?

In the "take" where the set lighting falls, did that really happen?

Has Donald Rumsfeld openly admitted that the landing was faked??

Is this video truth or fiction?


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You're gonna love this :
Jay Weidner - Veritas Show - Kubrick's Odyssey
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NASA Moon - Mars - Saturn ANOMALIES: [link to www.youtube.com]
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Why do You think the moon landigs are fake?
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Why do You think the moon landigs are fake?
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made a film to keep the sheep sheep, meanwhile meeting aliens, bases and ufos on the moon the farmers get the goodies ?!
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OP -- watch through the end credits. Then look it up. It was indeed a joke -- but a very well made one.

(Pay particular attention to some of the character names next time you watch it.)
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It was a "joke" to try and preempt people from legitimately claiming it as fact. There is a lot of truth in it. This is how things are done to squash conspiracy theory facts.
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Why do You think the moon landigs are fake?
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stimulation
n·stance/ˈinstəns/Noun 1. An example or single occurrence of something: "an instance of corruption"
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It was a "joke" to try and preempt people from legitimately claiming it as fact. There is a lot of truth in it. This is how things are done to squash conspiracy theory facts.
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correct
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It was a "joke" to try and preempt people from legitimately claiming it as fact. There is a lot of truth in it. This is how things are done to squash conspiracy theory facts.
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Yep! . . . and there's far more truth in this video than an evening with any of the mainstream media programs.

The Saturn V had used up 96% of its fuel to get the final V-I4B stage to 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining fuel; at best; at the continued speed, the craft might have achieved another 40 miles against earth's gravitational pull.

Of course, the remaining fuel was used to keep the craft in orbit until splashdown.

Remember . . . NASA controls the intel but humans can apply common sense and critical thinking to debunk NASA.
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It was a "joke" to try and preempt people from legitimately claiming it as fact. There is a lot of truth in it. This is how things are done to squash conspiracy theory facts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185559


Yep! . . . and there's far more truth in this video than an evening with any of the mainstream media programs.

The Saturn V had used up 96% of its fuel to get the final V-I4B stage to 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining fuel; at best; at the continued speed, the craft might have achieved another 40 miles against earth's gravitational pull.

Of course, the remaining fuel was used to keep the craft in orbit until splashdown.

Remember . . . NASA controls the intel but humans can apply common sense and critical thinking to debunk NASA.
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It did use up 96% of its fuel but it also shed most of the rocket as well. The craft is proven to have the delta V necessary to get to the Moon and back. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't work.
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That video was made by TPTB. If you skip to the very end they do a bloopers section with the people who sounded so serious laughing their asses off in previous takes.
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It was a "joke" to try and preempt people from legitimately claiming it as fact. There is a lot of truth in it. This is how things are done to squash conspiracy theory facts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185559


Yep! . . . and there's far more truth in this video than an evening with any of the mainstream media programs.

The Saturn V had used up 96% of its fuel to get the final V-I4B stage to 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining fuel; at best; at the continued speed, the craft might have achieved another 40 miles against earth's gravitational pull.

Of course, the remaining fuel was used to keep the craft in orbit until splashdown.

Remember . . . NASA controls the intel but humans can apply common sense and critical thinking to debunk NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767


It did use up 96% of its fuel but it also shed most of the rocket as well. The craft is proven to have the delta V necessary to get to the Moon and back. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't work.
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It shed just enough rocket to go a few more miles, but if you believe that it was in the realm of 240,000 more that YOU are the one who lacks understanding.

And I understand the lengths government will go to launder 30 billion dollars.
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It was a "joke" to try and preempt people from legitimately claiming it as fact. There is a lot of truth in it. This is how things are done to squash conspiracy theory facts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185559


Yep! . . . and there's far more truth in this video than an evening with any of the mainstream media programs.

The Saturn V had used up 96% of its fuel to get the final V-I4B stage to 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining fuel; at best; at the continued speed, the craft might have achieved another 40 miles against earth's gravitational pull.

Of course, the remaining fuel was used to keep the craft in orbit until splashdown.

Remember . . . NASA controls the intel but humans can apply common sense and critical thinking to debunk NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767


It did use up 96% of its fuel but it also shed most of the rocket as well. The craft is proven to have the delta V necessary to get to the Moon and back. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306


It shed just enough rocket to go a few more miles, but if you believe that it was in the realm of 240,000 more that YOU are the one who lacks understanding.

And I understand the lengths government will go to launder 30 billion dollars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767


So, BECAUSE YOU SAY SO, a rocket problem that has been worked out nearly every student that has ever studied orbital mechanics and which the info on it is freely available, is somehow wrong. And at the same time you don't know any of the applicable equations that apply to it. Yeah right. The Apollo craft PROVABLY had the delta V to get to the Moon and back. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it. At the same time explain how the THOUSANDS of people who actually understand it (not you) have never noticed it before. Otherwise you're full of hot air.
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To preface: I do not believe the moon landing ever happened.

But I need some information about this video - in it, Donald Rumsfeld is talking, and it's made for the viewer to believe he's saying that Nixon was referring to faking the moon landing, but nowhere in the vid does Rumsfeld or Kissinger ever actually say that outright OR mention Stanley Kubrick's name, although Kubrick's widow mentions Kissinger.

I think General Walters statements - and his shocking death - is a very compelling part of this story.

It also says "Kubrick was the last direct witness of the hoax still living" . . . were the actors no longer around?

In the "take" where the set lighting falls, did that really happen?

Has Donald Rumsfeld openly admitted that the landing was faked??

Is this video truth or fiction?


[link to www.firetown.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1443556


I'm with you, the landings where faked but I think they where used as cover for the real space program that was going on with more advanced technology. Kubrick told the story of him faking the Moon landing through the movie The Shining (with Jack Nicholson and others). I'll post a link, this is a good site on many things.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[link to www.s8int.com]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Quote from Joseph Goebbels Hitlers propaganda man.
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Yep! . . . and there's far more truth in this video than an evening with any of the mainstream media programs.

The Saturn V had used up 96% of its fuel to get the final V-I4B stage to 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining fuel; at best; at the continued speed, the craft might have achieved another 40 miles against earth's gravitational pull.

Of course, the remaining fuel was used to keep the craft in orbit until splashdown.

Remember . . . NASA controls the intel but humans can apply common sense and critical thinking to debunk NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767


It did use up 96% of its fuel but it also shed most of the rocket as well. The craft is proven to have the delta V necessary to get to the Moon and back. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306


It shed just enough rocket to go a few more miles, but if you believe that it was in the realm of 240,000 more that YOU are the one who lacks understanding.

And I understand the lengths government will go to launder 30 billion dollars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767


So, BECAUSE YOU SAY SO, a rocket problem that has been worked out nearly every student that has ever studied orbital mechanics and which the info on it is freely available, is somehow wrong. And at the same time you don't know any of the applicable equations that apply to it. Yeah right. The Apollo craft PROVABLY had the delta V to get to the Moon and back. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it. At the same time explain how the THOUSANDS of people who actually understand it (not you) have never noticed it before. Otherwise you're full of hot air.
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Government schools can teach anything they want to unsuspecting students.

Because the gravitational pull of the earth extends beyond the moon, it is an uphill climb for any craft.

Stage 1 (S-IC) = 200,000 FEET
Stage II (S-II) = 623,040 FEET
Stage III (S-IVB) = Fill in the blank FEET

My theory is that this stage went a little further (750,000 FEET) and used the remaining 4% to return to the earth.

YOUR theory is that the final stage traveled 250K miles to the moon, 69 miles down to the moon, 69 miles up to the orbiter, then 250,000 miles back home, and in FEET, not including alleged orbits around the moon would = 2,640,728,640 FEET

Quite a stretch . . . but of course it because I simply don't understand the math!
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It did use up 96% of its fuel but it also shed most of the rocket as well. The craft is proven to have the delta V necessary to get to the Moon and back. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't work.
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It shed just enough rocket to go a few more miles, but if you believe that it was in the realm of 240,000 more that YOU are the one who lacks understanding.

And I understand the lengths government will go to launder 30 billion dollars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767


So, BECAUSE YOU SAY SO, a rocket problem that has been worked out nearly every student that has ever studied orbital mechanics and which the info on it is freely available, is somehow wrong. And at the same time you don't know any of the applicable equations that apply to it. Yeah right. The Apollo craft PROVABLY had the delta V to get to the Moon and back. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it. At the same time explain how the THOUSANDS of people who actually understand it (not you) have never noticed it before. Otherwise you're full of hot air.
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Government schools can teach anything they want to unsuspecting students.

Because the gravitational pull of the earth extends beyond the moon, it is an uphill climb for any craft.

Stage 1 (S-IC) = 200,000 FEET
Stage II (S-II) = 623,040 FEET
Stage III (S-IVB) = Fill in the blank FEET

My theory is that this stage went a little further (750,000 FEET) and used the remaining 4% to return to the earth.

YOUR theory is that the final stage traveled 250K miles to the moon, 69 miles down to the moon, 69 miles up to the orbiter, then 250,000 miles back home, and in FEET, not including alleged orbits around the moon would = 2,640,728,640 FEET

Quite a stretch . . . but of course it because I simply don't understand the math!
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No, you don't understand the math. You're arguing from ignorance and failing badly. The Saturn V could PROVABLY attain the velocity needed to reach lunar orbit and return. You can't prove otherwise so you're trying to bluff your way through the argument. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it.
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Just gotta love the conspiritards.
Everything can be twisted into 'evidence' in their minds.

It doesn't really matter what it really show.

No, you don't understand the math. You're arguing from ignorance and failing badly. The Saturn V could PROVABLY attain the velocity needed to reach lunar orbit and return. You can't prove otherwise so you're trying to bluff your way through the argument. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it.
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Don't get your hopes up.
He's just another sheeple regurgitating something he doesn't actually understand he's read on some conspira-mongering site.

The two things all hoaxtards have in common is a complete ignorance about anything space travel related, and a complete inability to think rationally.
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Just gotta love the conspiritards.
Everything can be twisted into 'evidence' in their minds.

It doesn't really matter what it really show.

No, you don't understand the math. You're arguing from ignorance and failing badly. The Saturn V could PROVABLY attain the velocity needed to reach lunar orbit and return. You can't prove otherwise so you're trying to bluff your way through the argument. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306

Don't get your hopes up.
He's just another sheeple regurgitating something he doesn't actually understand he's read on some conspira-mongering site.

The two things all hoaxtards have in common is a complete ignorance about anything space travel related, and a complete inability to think rationally.
book
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O gee! I've been schooled by the government-suckling Dutchling!

I realize most of you walk in wooden shoes or drive bicycles but here in the US we drive cars -- BIG fuel guzzling cars -- and when we've used 96% of our fuel we DON'T continue on 500,000 mile fantasy trips into extreme temperatures that render our remaining fuel useless.

Our Ford trucks have more armor than NASA'S LEM!
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You comparing orbital mechanics with driving a car tells us all we need to know.
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11.2 km/s is the escape velocity of the Earth. It is the minimum velocity needed to be on a trajectory that means you will not return to the Earth.

See here
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From someone who actually understands the concept and you'll see that the top speed of the Saturn V is over 26,000 mph or 11.8 km/s. That is forgetting that you don't even need escape velocity to get to the Moon because part way there the Moon's gravity will have more effect and you can see it had more than enough thrust to get there.
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Just gotta love the conspiritards.
Everything can be twisted into 'evidence' in their minds.

It doesn't really matter what it really show.

No, you don't understand the math. You're arguing from ignorance and failing badly. The Saturn V could PROVABLY attain the velocity needed to reach lunar orbit and return. You can't prove otherwise so you're trying to bluff your way through the argument. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306

Don't get your hopes up.
He's just another sheeple regurgitating something he doesn't actually understand he's read on some conspira-mongering site.

The two things all hoaxtards have in common is a complete ignorance about anything space travel related, and a complete inability to think rationally.
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O gee! I've been schooled by the government-suckling Dutchling!

I realize most of you walk in wooden shoes or drive bicycles but here in the US we drive cars -- BIG fuel guzzling cars -- and when we've used 96% of our fuel we DON'T continue on 500,000 mile fantasy trips into extreme temperatures that render our remaining fuel useless.

Our Ford trucks have more armor than NASA'S LEM!
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So in other words, you can't show your work. Meanwhile I did. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it didn't work. Reality is not defined by your lack of imagination.
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Stanley's wife already stated he did in fact shoot the moon story. The numerous and countless errors in all of the films and pictures attest to this fact. It was not to cover up aliens, though some would like you to believe that.
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Stanley's wife already stated he did in fact shoot the moon story.
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Opération lune was NOT a documentary.

How gullible can one be?
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Just gotta love the conspiritards.
Everything can be twisted into 'evidence' in their minds.

It doesn't really matter what it really show.

No, you don't understand the math. You're arguing from ignorance and failing badly. The Saturn V could PROVABLY attain the velocity needed to reach lunar orbit and return. You can't prove otherwise so you're trying to bluff your way through the argument. If you don't think so then SHOW YOUR WORK and prove it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306

Don't get your hopes up.
He's just another sheeple regurgitating something he doesn't actually understand he's read on some conspira-mongering site.

The two things all hoaxtards have in common is a complete ignorance about anything space travel related, and a complete inability to think rationally.
book
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O gee! I've been schooled by the government-suckling Dutchling!

I realize most of you walk in wooden shoes or drive bicycles but here in the US we drive cars -- BIG fuel guzzling cars -- and when we've used 96% of our fuel we DON'T continue on 500,000 mile fantasy trips into extreme temperatures that render our remaining fuel useless.

Our Ford trucks have more armor than NASA'S LEM!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767


So in other words, you can't show your work. Meanwhile I did. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it didn't work. Reality is not defined by your lack of imagination.
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Your work involves NASA propaganda. If 25000 MPH truly breaks one free of the earths gravitational pull that's fine and dandy. That's not my argument.

My argument is that final stage VI4B was a 58' x 15' tincan that had one motor and 3 astronauts. THEY NEVER LEFT LOW EARTH ORBIT because they LACKED the required fuel to ascend ant further.

If you require calculations, simple choose the next number in sequence . . . and it isn't 2.6 billion (unless you're doing a Netflix commercial)

200000' . . . . 623000' . . . . ???????
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My biggest question here is what happened to all the tapes? Enough tapes to fill a cargo container just come up missing? Perhaps the most important footage in the entire 20th Century and NASA lost it?

Read Wagging the Moondoggie.
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You comparing orbital mechanics with driving a car tells us all we need to know.
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But then I repeat myself.

- Ignorant: check.
- Irrational: check.

Your work involves NASA propaganda.
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And your 'work' consists solely out of hot air.

If 25000 MPH truly breaks one free of the earths gravitational pull that's fine and dandy. That's not my argument.

My argument is that final stage VI4B was a 58' x 15' tincan that had one motor and 3 astronauts. THEY NEVER LEFT LOW EARTH ORBIT because they LACKED the required fuel to ascend ant further.
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But they didn't lack the required fuel.
We know how much they had left. (About 2/3s of the S-IVB's original 350 tonnes of propellant.)
We know how much was needed. (LESS than that.)

It takes a delta-v of a tat over 3 km/s to get from Earth orbit into an orbit towards the Moon.
The CSM/LM combo massed about 42 tonnes.
The S-IVB would have to fire for about 350 seconds to accelerate it to the necessary speed.
(This procedure is known as TLI, Trans Lunar Injection. The numbers are well known and trivially easy to calculate.)

This is basic rocketeering. Which is all about straight forward Newtonian physics.
Stuff you're supposed to have learned in school.

If you think otherwise SHOW IT!
Don't just waffle I-don't-believe-it.
That has never ever proven anything.
You don't even understand what it is you don't believe.

Anyhoo, the ships were OBSERVED leaving Earth orbit.
Reality seems to disagree with your interpretation.
So how many people were involved in your little conspiracy.
Everybody with a science degree on the planet?
And their little sisters?

If you require calculations, simple choose the next number in sequence . . . and it isn't 2.6 billion (unless you're doing a Netflix commercial)

200000' . . . . 623000' . . . . ???????
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You still don't get it, do you?
Unlike pick-up trucks space ships don't need to keep their engines running to keep going in the direction they are moving.
It's a ballistic trajectory, like a canon ball.
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Your work involves NASA propaganda. If 25000 MPH truly breaks one free of the earths gravitational pull that's fine and dandy. That's not my argument.

My argument is that final stage VI4B was a 58' x 15' tincan that had one motor and 3 astronauts. THEY NEVER LEFT LOW EARTH ORBIT because they LACKED the required fuel to ascend ant further.

If you require calculations, simple choose the next number in sequence . . . and it isn't 2.6 billion (unless you're doing a Netflix commercial)

200000' . . . . 623000' . . . . ???????
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And again you prove you don't even understand any of it. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it didn't work. Take the time to actually LEARN about it and you'll see the numbers work out. Nobody that actually understands disagrees with that. The engineers built a craft with those specifications. Luckily, reality is not defined by your lack of imagination.
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You comparing orbital mechanics with driving a car tells us all we need to know.
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But then I repeat myself.

- Ignorant: check.
- Irrational: check.

Your work involves NASA propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767

And your 'work' consists solely out of hot air.

If 25000 MPH truly breaks one free of the earths gravitational pull that's fine and dandy. That's not my argument.

My argument is that final stage VI4B was a 58' x 15' tincan that had one motor and 3 astronauts. THEY NEVER LEFT LOW EARTH ORBIT because they LACKED the required fuel to ascend ant further.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767

But they didn't lack the required fuel.
We know how much they had left. (About 2/3s of the S-IVB's original 350 tonnes of propellant.)
We know how much was needed. (LESS than that.)

It takes a delta-v of a tat over 3 km/s to get from Earth orbit into an orbit towards the Moon.
The CSM/LM combo massed about 42 tonnes.
The S-IVB would have to fire for about 350 seconds to accelerate it to the necessary speed.
(This procedure is known as TLI, Trans Lunar Injection. The numbers are well known and trivially easy to calculate.)

This is basic rocketeering. Which is all about straight forward Newtonian physics.
Stuff you're supposed to have learned in school.

If you think otherwise SHOW IT!
Don't just waffle I-don't-believe-it.
That has never ever proven anything.
You don't even understand what it is you don't believe.

Anyhoo, the ships were OBSERVED leaving Earth orbit.
Reality seems to disagree with your interpretation.
So how many people were involved in your little conspiracy.
Everybody with a science degree on the planet?
And their little sisters?

If you require calculations, simple choose the next number in sequence . . . and it isn't 2.6 billion (unless you're doing a Netflix commercial)

200000' . . . . 623000' . . . . ???????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1436767

You still don't get it, do you?
Unlike pick-up trucks space ships don't need to keep their engines running to keep going in the direction they are moving.
It's a ballistic trajectory, like a canon ball.
book
Check. Mate.
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I'm not going to argue for or against NASA sanctioned rocket sciences.

My argument lies with organics - human beings being able to withstand speeds of 26,000MPH to achieve the alleged TLI, the harsh (probably deadly) environment outside earth's protective firmament, and the (lack of) fuel issue.

This coupled with GOVERNMENTAL GREED - 30 irresistible billion dollars of taxpayer funding (300 today) -- a GREAT incentive to deceive the public . . . give'em a few rockets launched a few hundred miles up (out of sight) and begin to fund what is known today as the Military Industrial Complex.
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It was a "joke" to try and preempt people from legitimately claiming it as fact. There is a lot of truth in it. This is how things are done to squash conspiracy theory facts.
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