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The dwindling belief in global warming

 
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The dwindling belief in global warming
As the weather gets worse and worse people are becoming more uncomfortable with the validity of climate change. The signs of Global warming are poping up everywhere. But on sites like GLP I'm seeing the most esoteric reasons why this weather is happening Haarp, elenin, Jupiter , and very little admition that it is global warming related. I do realize this is a conspiracy site. But I thought it's worth a look at this as an ideological issue as opposed to a scientific one.


[link to www.abc.net.au]

Here is Naomi Klien in an interview by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now
March 9 2011

Naomi Klien : weíve just ended the hottest decade on record. Thereís overwhelming evidence that climate change is real now. Itís not just about reading the science. Itís about peopleís daily experience. And yet, weíve seen this remarkable drop, where, in 2007, 71 ó this is a Harris poll ó 71 percent of Americans believed climate change was real, and two years later, 51 percent of Americans believed it. So, a 20 percent drop. And weíve seen a similar dramatic just the floor falling out in the same period in Australia, in the U.K. Itís not happening everywhere. Itís happening in countries that have very polarized political debates, where they have very strong culture wars.

She goes on

NAOMI KLEIN: some people believe in climate change, but the main thing is they donít believe that humans have anything to do with climate change. And it isnít about the science, because when you delve deeper into it and ask why people donít believe in it, they say that itís because they think itís a socialist plot to redistribute wealth. And a lot of ó itís easy to make fun of, you know, and thereís all this language, like "watermelons," that they say, you know, the green groups are watermelons: theyíre green on the outside, but theyíre red on the inside. Or George Will once said itís a green tree with red roots. And the idea is that itís some sort of a communist plot. And this is, as I was saying earlier, actually not at all true. And in fact, most of the big green groups are loath to talk about economics and often donít want to see themselves as being part of a left at all, see climate change as an issue that transcends politics entirely.

But something very different is going on on the right, and I think we need to understand what that is. Why is climate change seen as such a threat? I donít believe itís an unreasonable fear. I think it is ó itís unreasonable to believe that scientists are making up the science. Theyíre not. Itís not a hoax. But actually, climate change really is a profound threat to a great many things that right-wing ideologues believe in. So, in fact, if you really wrestle with the implications of the science and what real climate action would mean, hereís just a few examples what it would mean.

Well, it would mean upending the whole free trade agenda, because it would mean that we would have to localize our economies, because we have the most energy-inefficient trade system that you could imagine. And this is the legacy of the free trade era. So, this has been a signature policy of the right, pushing globalization and free trade. That would have to be reversed.

You would have to deal with inequality. You would have to redistribute wealth, because this is a crisis that was created in the North, and the effects are being felt in the South. So, on the most basic, basic, "you broke it, you bought it," polluter pays, you would have to redistribute wealth, which is also against their ideology.

You would have to regulate corporations. You simply would have to. I mean, any serious climate action has to intervene in the economy. You would have to subsidize renewable energy, which also breaks their worldview.

You would have to have a really strong United Nations, because individual countries canít do this alone. You absolutely have to have a strong international architecture.

So when you go through this, you see, it challenges everything that they believe in. So theyíre choosing to disbelieve it, because itís easier to deny the science than to say, "OK, I accept that my whole worldview is going to fall apart," that we have to have massive investments in public infrastructure, that we have to reverse free trade deals, that we have to have huge transfers of wealth from the North to the South. Imagine actually contending with that. Itís a lot easier to deny it.

But what I see is that the green groups, a lot of the big green groups, are also in a kind of denial, because they want to pretend that this isnít about politics and economics, and say, "Well, you can just change your light bulb. And no, it wonít really disrupt. You can have green capitalism." And theyíre not really wrestling with the fact that this is about economic growth. This is about an economic model that needs constant and infinite growth on a finite planet. So we really are talking about some deep transformations of our economy if weíre going to deal with climate change. And we need to talk about it.

Here's a link to full article:
[link to www.democracynow.org]
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Re: The dwindling belief in global warming
oh yes with the latest discovery of the 100 year unexpected low that follows a massive sudden spike peak...they have said we are by the Sun alone cork screwed..

It did not dwindle it Quin-dwindled they will so rob the poor citizens bones for the scam funds they were trying to get from their scheme...now that the smoke and mirrors are broken and blew away...
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Re: The dwindling belief in global warming
Hey all, I accidentally posted this twice on forum please look for other one where debate is going thanks

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