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When can we expect to see NIBIRU/PLANET X with the naked eye

 
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there is simply no gravitational evidence...



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Brown dwarfs are not seen in the visible spectrum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1380013

Please explain why the brown dwarf 2MASS J16452211-1319516 is visible on a regular visible red light sensitive film plate on the palomar sky survey, not just the infrared sensitive plate?

It's the star near the center of the image here on the infrared plate:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
And here's the same brown dwarf in visible red light:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
It's much dimmer relative to the other stars in visible light, but it's still detectable, and that's from 39 light years away using just a regular red sensitive film plate! Yes, you do need a sizeable telescope and very sensitive imager to detect a brown dwarf that far away, but Nibiru's not supposed to be nearly that far away.

A brown dwarf star in our solar system would also reflect sunlight just fine. It reflect as much light as Uranus at worst, Jupiter at best ( [link to arxiv.org] ) making it an easy naked-eye object if one were anywhere near here.
Roughly 80% of solar systems are binary.
 Quoting: AC

Another myth to bust. Most solar systems in our galaxy are single.
[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]
In fact, only about 9% of stars in the stellar neighborhood have widely separated binaries (semi-major axis >200 AU), as "Nibiru" would be.
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
The morons who jump on these threads to piss on facts are going to be in for one hell of a surprise in late August.
 Quoting: AC

Your "facts" are false, and when there's still no "brown dwarf" to be seen in August I'm betting you're not going to man up to your prediction and admit you were wrong.
Good riddance actually, these are the sheep that will be looking for food and shelter because they were too busy telling everyone that they were crazy, and no such thing as binary stars....idiots.
 Quoting: AC

I dare you to show me any debunker who said "there's no such thing as binary stars." I have never seen anyone say that, maybe I missed it. Show me because I would love to debunk that false claim.
 Quoting: Astromut


Dude,

Why are you still wasting your time on these Niburu yellers?
If its real we will see it soon enough.
If not they will crawl back under their rocks.

I just keep an open mind so if it really comes it wont be a shocker.
And if it doesn't .....
 Quoting: Mr Martin


and what is there to keep an open mind about? If nibiru existed, there would be effects. There is a difference between believing something CAN exist and believing something DOES exist.

CAN nibiru exist? as described, not likely, but brown dwarves can and do exist.

Does nibiru exist? the massive lack of evidence, especially where one would expect it, says no. We also exclude black holes, or other stars existing in our solar system because of the lack of evidence.

We ARE talking about a mundane (in the sense that it is not degenerate or exotic matter) astronomical object here. its not like it follows the rules of the Lord of the Rings or something. Its basic physics.
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Really? No one knows?
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I heard september.
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yep the doom carrot is always hanging from a stick about 3 months away.
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I enjoyed this comment... I hope the Annunaki have a sense of humour too...

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Since this month is already chock full o doom....lets just add some more - my vote is for this month!!! 5a
You Dont Have A Soul. You Are A Soul. You Have A Body.
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Since this month is already chock full o doom....lets just add some more - my vote is for this month!!! 5a
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Bah, since we are going with the types of doom generally seen on GLP, why not go fantastic...

It ALREADY happened. Our existence is over and we are simply replaying the echoes of the mystical energy that boun...oh fuck this...im not a nibirutard...or one of those woo-woo types, and this just hurts my head to try to come up with the level of bullshit that is usually associated with these things.
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there is simply no gravitational evidence...



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I havent seen that movie in such a long time.

I know its geeky as hell, but a friend of mine and I used to type the lines from that movie into our graphing calculators in a trig class in high school. he failed the class. (i didnt, simply because math is to me like bullshit is to nibirutards)
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You won't be able to see "it"until it is right on top of us and even then it'll be so quick in most cases you won't know what hit you. Survivors will know that their world has been irrevocably changed, however and will adjust to life accordingly.
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You won't be able to see "it"until it is right on top of us and even then it'll be so quick in most cases you won't know what hit you. Survivors will know that their world has been irrevocably changed, however and will adjust to life accordingly.
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so, a brown dwarf wont be visible until it is right on top of us....

Yeah, that makes sense.....

Please read the rest of the thread as to why you are wrong.
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Brown dwarfs are not seen in the visible spectrum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1380013

Please explain why the brown dwarf 2MASS J16452211-1319516 is visible on a regular visible red light sensitive film plate on the palomar sky survey, not just the infrared sensitive plate?

It's the star near the center of the image here on the infrared plate:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
And here's the same brown dwarf in visible red light:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
It's much dimmer relative to the other stars in visible light, but it's still detectable, and that's from 39 light years away using just a regular red sensitive film plate! Yes, you do need a sizeable telescope and very sensitive imager to detect a brown dwarf that far away, but Nibiru's not supposed to be nearly that far away.

A brown dwarf star in our solar system would also reflect sunlight just fine. It reflect as much light as Uranus at worst, Jupiter at best ( [link to arxiv.org] ) making it an easy naked-eye object if one were anywhere near here.
Roughly 80% of solar systems are binary.
 Quoting: AC

Another myth to bust. Most solar systems in our galaxy are single.
[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]
In fact, only about 9% of stars in the stellar neighborhood have widely separated binaries (semi-major axis >200 AU), as "Nibiru" would be.
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
The morons who jump on these threads to piss on facts are going to be in for one hell of a surprise in late August.
 Quoting: AC

Your "facts" are false, and when there's still no "brown dwarf" to be seen in August I'm betting you're not going to man up to your prediction and admit you were wrong.
Good riddance actually, these are the sheep that will be looking for food and shelter because they were too busy telling everyone that they were crazy, and no such thing as binary stars....idiots.
 Quoting: AC

I dare you to show me any debunker who said "there's no such thing as binary stars." I have never seen anyone say that, maybe I missed it. Show me because I would love to debunk that false claim.
 Quoting: Astromut


Dude,

Why are you still wasting your time on these Niburu yellers?
If its real we will see it soon enough.
If not they will crawl back under their rocks.

I just keep an open mind so if it really comes it wont be a shocker.
And if it doesn't .....
 Quoting: Mr Martin

It's fun. It's also educational in many respects; I do a lot of public outreach and volunteering in astronomy, and in the course of my interactions with the public I encounter these sorts of claims from people who hear them and are genuinely concerned by them. Debunking it here educates me about the conspiracy claims of the day and enables me to debunk it on the spot contemporaneously when encountering it in real life, explaining the conspiracy theory itself as well as why I know it's wrong.

I also just enjoy investigating the claims, it's sort of like being an astronomical version of a "mythbuster." And of course it's nice to be able to counter commonly held misconceptions, like the idea that "brown dwarf stars don't reflect light" or that "90% of stars are binaries." Even if the person I'm responding to never admits they were wrong, even if they continue spouting the same misconception afterwards, at least I've put the truth out there for rational people to see for themselves. I have received notes from people who later changed their minds too, so it does happen.
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a something other cAme into my mind


SO BECAUSE YOU CANT SEE YOUR SOUL - YOU ARE SOULESS ?? ahahahahahahahahahahah


or maybe because you dont see the other people's souls - so they are souless too ??? hahahahahaha

its fun here around tho.. : D

and the american who posted about the Ants - seems only he got it right : )

anyway - hello ducks ^_^
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If you are going to argue with strawmen, fine.

I cant see your brain, so it must not exist.

(you wanted strawmen, you got em)
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you think like an overaveraged american. If the belgium guy cuts your head he can show you that you should have a brain (overavereg iq), but how demonstrate a soul in you ?? nkay he cant, you seem to not have one
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"If Mercury (MULUDU.IDIM.GU4) divides the sky and stands there, [its name] is Nibiru.


THE SHOCKING TRUTH OF APOLLYON THE MAN: !!!!!! And Nibiru the Destroyer King !!!!!! The Inner Mystery Now Revealed by an Initiate.


WRITTEN BY APOLLO


(Please read this with patience, and I will lead you into one of the Greatest Secrets)
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There is a tale of a Second Sun, Niburu or Planet X that comes into our Solar Sytem and takes position behind our sun every 3,600 years. It is said that Niburu is already here or will be here in 2012 and is renowned to bring destruction, So what happened 3,600 years ago? Take the Shang Dynasty, they had very good astrologers, were noted comet enthusiasts and they recorded nothing.. Nor did any civilization record any cataclysmic event.
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Lets look at the Akkadian Language. , It means "crossing" or "point of transition", especially of rivers. In Babylonian astronony its the Highest point of the Ecliptic, the Throne of God or Summer Solstice of Cancer, Now lets look at this again. In Revelation 12 it says that the woman will give birth to the man child and he will be taken up to Gods throne..
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.

*
In the Enuma Elis it reads. "When Marduk fixed the locations (manzazu) of Nibiru, Enlil and Ea in the sky
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So we have the seat of the summus deus, was considered the throne of Marduk, who pastured the sheep. This would fit in the man child of Revelation who is taken up to the throne.. In the constellations. It was Nibiru which was said to rise high during the Autumn Equinox, around Libra.. It is Jewish Tradition to expect the Crowned King at the New Year when the Shofar is Blown, Near Rosh Hashanah which is LIbra.

Nibiru is described in this cuneiform tablet:

Nibiru, which is said to have occupied the passageways of heaven and earth, because everyone above and below asks Nibiru if they cannot find the passage. Nibiru is Marduk's star which the gods in heaven caused to be visible. Nibiru stands as a post at the turning point. The others say of Nibiru the post: "The one who crosses the middle of the sea (Tiamat) without calm, may his name be Nibiru, for he takes up the center of it". The path of the stars of the sky should be kept unchanged.In the MUL.APIN Nibiru is identified as Jupiter:

"When the stars of Enlil have been finished, one big star – although its light is dim – divides the sky in half and stands there: that is, the star of Marduk (MUL dAMAR.UD), Nibiru (né-bé-ru), Jupiter (MULSAG.ME.GAR); it keeps changing its position and crosses the sky."
therefore from these texts, we see not a Stealth Star, but a Kings Star which is Jupiter, In Esoteric Theology, Jupiter is the Kings Planet. Its the planet of Exhaltation. . Its power crowns the King which takes his throne in Summer Solstice. Jupiter is exhalted in Cancer. and is declared the King of the Kingdom in the Fall...

Now how could he be called the Destroyer...


"And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon" (Revelation 9:11).
Apollyon is the English transliteration of the Greek word Apolluon, meaning "Destroyer".

Strong's #622, apollumi, which is used 92 times and means, "1) to destroy; a) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin; b) render useless; c) to kill; d) to declare that one must be put to death; e) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell; f) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed; 2) to destroy; a) to lose.


In the Authorized Version (KJV), it is translated perish 33 times, destroy 26, lose 22, be lost 5, and lost 4 times.

Is the King we await the Destroyer?? Does the destruction of earth commence at the crowing of this Sun Son? Are we actually awaiting a special conjunction of the Sun and Jupiter instead of the stealth planet x in hiding?

Or are we awaiting a man that was already born with the special conjunction of the Sun, Jupiter. and curiously Mercury.

Cause oddly the Tablets refer to Mercury as Nibiru as well:

"If Mercury (MULUDU.IDIM.GU4) divides the sky and stands there, [its name] is Nibiru.

Again, this is the Conjunction of Jupiter, Mercury, and the Sun which will herald in THE MAN.

Conclusion, Nibiru is also A Man. Apollyon. who will have these signs as his birth.

For he is the Sun, Son... and upon his wings, one is exhalted or is destroyed....

To be continued.
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Brown dwarfs are not seen in the visible spectrum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1380013

Please explain why the brown dwarf 2MASS J16452211-1319516 is visible on a regular visible red light sensitive film plate on the palomar sky survey, not just the infrared sensitive plate?

It's the star near the center of the image here on the infrared plate:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
And here's the same brown dwarf in visible red light:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
It's much dimmer relative to the other stars in visible light, but it's still detectable, and that's from 39 light years away using just a regular red sensitive film plate! Yes, you do need a sizeable telescope and very sensitive imager to detect a brown dwarf that far away, but Nibiru's not supposed to be nearly that far away.

A brown dwarf star in our solar system would also reflect sunlight just fine. It reflect as much light as Uranus at worst, Jupiter at best ( [link to arxiv.org] ) making it an easy naked-eye object if one were anywhere near here.
Roughly 80% of solar systems are binary.
 Quoting: AC

Another myth to bust. Most solar systems in our galaxy are single.
[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]
In fact, only about 9% of stars in the stellar neighborhood have widely separated binaries (semi-major axis >200 AU), as "Nibiru" would be.
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
The morons who jump on these threads to piss on facts are going to be in for one hell of a surprise in late August.
 Quoting: AC

Your "facts" are false, and when there's still no "brown dwarf" to be seen in August I'm betting you're not going to man up to your prediction and admit you were wrong.
Good riddance actually, these are the sheep that will be looking for food and shelter because they were too busy telling everyone that they were crazy, and no such thing as binary stars....idiots.
 Quoting: AC

I dare you to show me any debunker who said "there's no such thing as binary stars." I have never seen anyone say that, maybe I missed it. Show me because I would love to debunk that false claim.
 Quoting: Astromut


Dude,

Why are you still wasting your time on these Niburu yellers?
If its real we will see it soon enough.
If not they will crawl back under their rocks.

I just keep an open mind so if it really comes it wont be a shocker.
And if it doesn't .....
 Quoting: Mr Martin


and what is there to keep an open mind about? If nibiru existed, there would be effects. There is a difference between believing something CAN exist and believing something DOES exist.

CAN nibiru exist? as described, not likely, but brown dwarves can and do exist.

Does nibiru exist? the massive lack of evidence, especially where one would expect it, says no. We also exclude black holes, or other stars existing in our solar system because of the lack of evidence.

We ARE talking about a mundane (in the sense that it is not degenerate or exotic matter) astronomical object here. its not like it follows the rules of the Lord of the Rings or something. Its basic physics.
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Bingo.
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Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed
hour.
It raged across the Heavens in the days of wrath, and this was its likeness: It was as a billowing cloud of
smoke enwrapped in a ruddy glow, not distinguishable in joint or limb. Its mouth was an abyss from which
came flame, smoke and hot cinders.
When ages pass, certain laws operate upon the stars in the Heavens. Their ways change, there is movement
and restlessness, they are no longer constant and a great light appears redly in the skies.
When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear and mountains will open up and belch forth fire
and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land and
seas will boil.
The Heavens will burn brightly and redly, there will be a copper hue over the face of the land, followed by a
day of darkness. A new moon will appear and break up and fall.
The people will scatter in madness. They will hear the trumpet and battle cry of the Destroyer and will seek
refuge in the den in the Earth. Terror will eat away their hearts and their courage will flow from them like
water from a broken pitcher. They will be eaten up in the flames of wrath and consumed by the breath of the
Destroyer.
Thus in the Days of Heavenly Wrath, which have gone, and thus it will be in the Days of Doom when it comes
again. The times of its coming and going are known unto the wise. These are the signs and times which shall
precede the Destroyer's return: A hundred and ten generations shall pass into the West and nations will rise
and fall. Men will fly in the air as birds and swim in the seas as fishes. Men will talk peace one with another,
hypocrisy and deceit shall have their day. Women will be as men and men as women, passion will be a
plaything of man.
A nation of soothsayers shall rise and fall and their tongue shall be the speech learned. A nation of law givers
shall rule the Earth and pass away into nothingness. One worship will pass into the four quarters of the Earth,
talking peace and bringing war. A nation of the seas will be greater than any other, but will be as an apple
rotten at the core and will not endure. A nation of traders will destroy men with wonders and it shall have its
day. Then shall the high strive with the low, the North with the South, the East with the West, and the light
with the darkness. Men shall be divided by their races and the children will be born as strangers among them.
Brother shall strive with brother and husband with wife. Fathers will no longer instruct their sons and their
sons will be wayward. Women will become the common property of men and will no longer be held in regard
and respect.
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Then men will be ill at ease in their hearts, they will seek they know not what, and uncertainty and doubt will
trouble them. They will possess great riches but be poor in spirit. Then will the Heavens tremble and the
Earth move, men will quake in fear and while terror walks with them the Heralds of Doom will appear. They
will come softly, as thieves to the tombs, men will no know them for what they are, men will be deceived, the
hour of the Destroyer is at hand.
In those days men will have the Great Book before them, wisdom will be revealed, the few will be gathered
for the stand, it is the hour of trial. The dauntless ones will survive, the stout-hearted will not go down to
destruction.
Great God of All Ages, alike to all, who sets the trials of man, be merciful to our children in the Days of Doom.
Man must suffer to be great, but hasten not his progress unduly. In the great winnowing, be not too harsh on
the lesser ones among men. Even the son of a thief has become Your scribe.
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Nibiru will also be a man. Who will lead the world into destruction

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW.
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never
"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding"

A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
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Get over here!- Scorpion
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Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed
hour.
It raged across the Heavens in the days of wrath, and this was its likeness: It was as a billowing cloud of
smoke enwrapped in a ruddy glow, not distinguishable in joint or limb. Its mouth was an abyss from which
came flame, smoke and hot cinders.
When ages pass, certain laws operate upon the stars in the Heavens. Their ways change, there is movement
and restlessness, they are no longer constant and a great light appears redly in the skies.
When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear and mountains will open up and belch forth fire
and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land and
seas will boil.
The Heavens will burn brightly and redly, there will be a copper hue over the face of the land, followed by a
day of darkness. A new moon will appear and break up and fall.
The people will scatter in madness. They will hear the trumpet and battle cry of the Destroyer and will seek
refuge in the den in the Earth. Terror will eat away their hearts and their courage will flow from them like
water from a broken pitcher. They will be eaten up in the flames of wrath and consumed by the breath of the
Destroyer.
Thus in the Days of Heavenly Wrath, which have gone, and thus it will be in the Days of Doom when it comes
again. The times of its coming and going are known unto the wise. These are the signs and times which shall
precede the Destroyer's return: A hundred and ten generations shall pass into the West and nations will rise
and fall. Men will fly in the air as birds and swim in the seas as fishes. Men will talk peace one with another,
hypocrisy and deceit shall have their day. Women will be as men and men as women, passion will be a
plaything of man.
A nation of soothsayers shall rise and fall and their tongue shall be the speech learned. A nation of law givers
shall rule the Earth and pass away into nothingness. One worship will pass into the four quarters of the Earth,
talking peace and bringing war. A nation of the seas will be greater than any other, but will be as an apple
rotten at the core and will not endure. A nation of traders will destroy men with wonders and it shall have its
day. Then shall the high strive with the low, the North with the South, the East with the West, and the light
with the darkness. Men shall be divided by their races and the children will be born as strangers among them.
Brother shall strive with brother and husband with wife. Fathers will no longer instruct their sons and their
sons will be wayward. Women will become the common property of men and will no longer be held in regard
and respect.
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Ive had visions of this, in dreams all my life. Ive heard the Shofar blown like a war cry
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O Sentinels of the Universe who watch for the Destroyer, how long will your coming vigil last? O mortal men
who wait without understanding, where will you hide yourselves in the Dread Days of Doom, when the
Heavens shall be torn apart and the skies rent in twain, in the days when children will turn grey-headed?
This is the thing which will be seen, this is the terror your eyes will behold, this is the form of destruction that
will rush upon you: There will be the great body of fire, the glowing head with many mouths and eyes ever
changing. Terrible teeth will be seen in formless mouths and a fearful dark belly will glow redly from fires
inside. Even the most stout-hearted man will tremble and his bowels be loosened, for this is not a thing
understandable to men.
It will be a vast sky-spanning form enwrapping Earth, burning with many hues within wide open mouths.
These will descend to sweep across the face of the land, engulfing all in the yawning jaws. The greatest
warriors will charge against it in vain. The fangs will fall out, and lo, they are terror-inspiring things of cold
hardened water. Great boulders will be hurled down upon men, crushing them into red powder.
As the great salt waters rise up in its train and roaring torrents pour towards the land, even the heroes
among mortal men will be overcome with madness. As moths fly swiftly to their doom in the burning flame,
so will these men rush to their own destruction. The flames going before will devour all the works of men, the
waters following will sweep away whatever remains. The dew of death will fall softly, as grey carpet over the
cleared land. Men will cry out in their madness, "O whatever Being there is, save us from this tall form of
terror, save us from the grey dew of death."
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The Doomshape, called the Destroyer, in Egypt, was seen in all the lands whereabouts. In colour it was bright
and fiery, in appearance changing and unstable. It twisted about itself like a coil, like water bubbling into a
pool from an underground supply, and all men agree it was a most fearsome sight. It was not a great comet
or a loosened star, being more like a fiery body of flame.
Its movements on high were slow, below it swirled in the manner of smoke and it remained close to the sun
whose face it hid. There was a bloody redness about it, which changed as it passed along its course. It
caused death and destruction in its rising and setting. It swept the Earth with grey cinder rain and caused
many plagues, hunger and other evils. It bit the skin of men and beast until they became mottled with sores.
The Earth was troubled and shook, the hills and mountains moved and rocked. The dark smoke-filled Heavens
bowed over Earth and a great howl came to the ears of men, borne to them upon the wings of the wind. It
was the cry of the Dark Lord, the Master of Dread. Thick clouds of fiery smoke passed before him and there
was an awful hail of hot stones and coals of fire. The Doomshape thundered sharply in the Heavens and shot
out bright lightings. The channels of water were turned back unto themselves when the land tilted, and great
trees were tossed about and snapped like twigs. Then a voice like ten thousand trumpets was heard over the
wilderness, and before its burning breath the flames parted. The whole of the land moved and mountains
melted. The sky itself roared like ten thousand lions in agony, and bright arrows of blood sped back and forth
across its face. Earth swelled up like bread upon the hearth.
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This was the aspect of the Doomshape called the Destroyer, when it appeared in days long gone by, in olden
times. It is thus described in the old records, few of which remain. It is said that when it appears in the
Heavens above, Earth splits open from the heat, like a nut roasted before the fire. Then flames shoot up
through the surface and leap about like fiery fiends upon black blood. The moisture inside the land is all dried
up, the pastures and cultivated places are consumed in flames and they and all trees become white ashes.
The Doomshape is like a circling ball of flame which scatters small fiery offspring in its train. It covers about a
fifth part of the sky and sends writhing snakelike fingers down to Earth. Before it the sky appears frightened,
and it breaks up and scatters away. Midday is no brighter than night. It spawns a host of terrible things.
These are things said of the Destroyer in the old records, read them with a solemn heart, knowing that the
Doomshape has its appointed time and will return. It would be foolish to let them go unheeded. Now men
say, "Such things are not destined for our days". May the Great God above grant that this be so. But come,
the day surely will, and in accordance with his nature man will be unprepared
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Men forget t he days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed
hour.
It raged across the Heavens in the days of wrath, and this was its likeness: It was as a billowing cloud of
smoke enwrapped in a ruddy glow, not distinguishable in joint or limb. Its mouth was an abyss from which
came flame, smoke and hot cinders.
When ages pass, certain laws operate upon the stars in the Heavens. Their ways change, there is movement
and restlessness, they are no longer constant and a great light appears redly in the skies.
When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear and mountains will open up and belch forth fire
and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land and
seas will boil.
The Heavens will burn brightly and redly, there will be a copper hue over the face of the land, followed by a
day of darkness. A new moon will appear and break up and fall.
The people will scatter in madness. They will hear the trumpet and battle cry of the Destroyer and will seek
refuge in the den in the Earth. Terror will eat away their hearts and their courage will flow from them like
water from a broken pitcher. They will be eaten up in the flames of wrath and consumed by the breath of the
Destroyer.
Thus in the Days of Heavenly Wrath, which have gone, and thus it will be in the Days of Doom when it comes
again. The times of its coming and going are known unto the wise. These are the signs and times which shall
precede the Destroyer's return: A hundred and ten generations shall pass into the West and nations will rise
and fall. Men will fly in the air as birds and swim in the seas as fishes. Men will talk peace one with another,
hypocrisy and deceit shall have their day. Women will be as men and men as women, passion will be a
plaything of man.
A nation of soothsayers shall rise and fall and their tongue shall be the speech learned. A nation of law givers
shall rule the Earth and pass away into nothingness. One worship will pass into the four quarters of the Earth,
talking peace and bringing war. A nation of the seas will be greater than any other, but will be as an apple
rotten at the core and will not endure. A nation of traders will destroy men with wonders and it shall have its
day. Then shall the high strive with the low, the North with the South, the East with the West, and the light
with the darkness. Men shall be divided by their races and the children will be born as strangers among them.
Brother shall strive with brother and husband with wife. Fathers will no longer instruct their sons and their
sons will be wayward. Women will become the common property of men and will no longer be held in regard
and respect.
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Where is this from? A group of prophets are discussing putting together a new Bible as prophecied, Id be interested to include this.
 Quoting: ABADDON - APOLLYON .


This is from the Kolbrin Bible. The Kolbrin Bible is taken from copied manuscripts of Egypt from when Alexander conquered and stole all of its knowledge.
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Men forget t he days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed
hour.
It raged across the Heavens in the days of wrath, and this was its likeness: It was as a billowing cloud of
smoke enwrapped in a ruddy glow, not distinguishable in joint or limb. Its mouth was an abyss from which
came flame, smoke and hot cinders.
When ages pass, certain laws operate upon the stars in the Heavens. Their ways change, there is movement
and restlessness, they are no longer constant and a great light appears redly in the skies.
When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear and mountains will open up and belch forth fire
and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land and
seas will boil.
The Heavens will burn brightly and redly, there will be a copper hue over the face of the land, followed by a
day of darkness. A new moon will appear and break up and fall.
The people will scatter in madness. They will hear the trumpet and battle cry of the Destroyer and will seek
refuge in the den in the Earth. Terror will eat away their hearts and their courage will flow from them like
water from a broken pitcher. They will be eaten up in the flames of wrath and consumed by the breath of the
Destroyer.
Thus in the Days of Heavenly Wrath, which have gone, and thus it will be in the Days of Doom when it comes
again. The times of its coming and going are known unto the wise. These are the signs and times which shall
precede the Destroyer's return: A hundred and ten generations shall pass into the West and nations will rise
and fall. Men will fly in the air as birds and swim in the seas as fishes. Men will talk peace one with another,
hypocrisy and deceit shall have their day. Women will be as men and men as women, passion will be a
plaything of man.
A nation of soothsayers shall rise and fall and their tongue shall be the speech learned. A nation of law givers
shall rule the Earth and pass away into nothingness. One worship will pass into the four quarters of the Earth,
talking peace and bringing war. A nation of the seas will be greater than any other, but will be as an apple
rotten at the core and will not endure. A nation of traders will destroy men with wonders and it shall have its
day. Then shall the high strive with the low, the North with the South, the East with the West, and the light
with the darkness. Men shall be divided by their races and the children will be born as strangers among them.
Brother shall strive with brother and husband with wife. Fathers will no longer instruct their sons and their
sons will be wayward. Women will become the common property of men and will no longer be held in regard
and respect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5829


Where is this from? A group of prophets are discussing putting together a new Bible as prophecied, Id be interested to include this.
 Quoting: ABADDON - APOLLYON .


This is from the Kolbrin Bible. The Kolbrin Bible is taken from copied manuscripts of Egypt from when Alexander conquered and stole all of its knowledge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5829


Oh, yes, thought it was familiar, I was thinking that.

Im so busy with the Old and New Testament, Revelation alone keeps me busy. =)

Some Initiates of a few orders have the Kolbrin as their homework, I had the Hermatic Kyballion , which is more gentle .
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maybe we won't see it until we move into the 4th dimension
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we already exist in the 4th dimension. Its called time. We percieve it as a series of moments, instead of as another spatial dimension.
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Time is not a dimension. It is a chronological tagging of events. Human brains require time to keep things straight.

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If you placed yourself inside a knot it wouldn't be a knot anymore ~ only strands in seemingly ordered placement (or) you might view them as random depending on your state-of-mind.
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Really? No one knows?
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I heard september.
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I heard August..
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I heard 2003, 20008, 2010,2011


still waiting lol. Really . I am supposed to believe that something with anywhere from 4 or more Jupiter masses (someone said 13 is the smallest earlier, but I believe they have since found tiny brown dwarfs around the 3 1/2 -4 Jupiter masses)

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade but have some common sense people . The brown dwarf theory Nibiru is based on a gross argumentum ad ignorantiam .
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maybe we won't see it until we move into the 4th dimension
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we already exist in the 4th dimension. Its called time. We percieve it as a series of moments, instead of as another spatial dimension.
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Time is not a dimension. It is a chronological tagging of events. Human brains require time to keep things straight.

LO~UP
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Yes, time is simply the decay and rearrangement of matter. Someone dies, someone is born. A cow eats grass, we eat hamburger and poop it out.

If we truly went back in time, our molecules would be undone and returned to the fields and the ranch animals we ate. Our bodies consists of dead and consumed matter.

Youd have to return the paper to the trees to go back in time.
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This is from the Kolbrin Bible. The Kolbrin Bible is taken from copied manuscripts of Egypt from when Alexander conquered and stole all of its knowledge.
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From The Kolbrin:


A whirlwind arose in the East and swept over the encamped hosts. A gale raged all night and in the red twilit
dawn there was a movement of the Earth, the waters receded from the seashore and were rolled back on
themselves. There was a strange silence and men, in the gloom, it was seen that the waters had parted, leaving a
passage between. The land had risen, but it was disturbed and trembled, the way was not straight or clear. The
waters about were as if spun within a bowl, the swampland alone remained undisturbed. From the horn of the
Destroyer came a high shrilling noise which stopped the ears of men.

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Brown dwarfs are not seen in the visible spectrum.
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Please explain why the brown dwarf 2MASS J16452211-1319516 is visible on a regular visible red light sensitive film plate on the palomar sky survey, not just the infrared sensitive plate?

It's the star near the center of the image here on the infrared plate:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
And here's the same brown dwarf in visible red light:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
It's much dimmer relative to the other stars in visible light, but it's still detectable, and that's from 39 light years away using just a regular red sensitive film plate! Yes, you do need a sizeable telescope and very sensitive imager to detect a brown dwarf that far away, but Nibiru's not supposed to be nearly that far away.

A brown dwarf star in our solar system would also reflect sunlight just fine. It reflect as much light as Uranus at worst, Jupiter at best ( [link to arxiv.org] ) making it an easy naked-eye object if one were anywhere near here.
Roughly 80% of solar systems are binary.
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Another myth to bust. Most solar systems in our galaxy are single.
[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]
In fact, only about 9% of stars in the stellar neighborhood have widely separated binaries (semi-major axis >200 AU), as "Nibiru" would be.
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
The morons who jump on these threads to piss on facts are going to be in for one hell of a surprise in late August.
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Your "facts" are false, and when there's still no "brown dwarf" to be seen in August I'm betting you're not going to man up to your prediction and admit you were wrong.
Good riddance actually, these are the sheep that will be looking for food and shelter because they were too busy telling everyone that they were crazy, and no such thing as binary stars....idiots.
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I dare you to show me any debunker who said "there's no such thing as binary stars." I have never seen anyone say that, maybe I missed it. Show me because I would love to debunk that false claim.
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Dude,

Why are you still wasting your time on these Niburu yellers?
If its real we will see it soon enough.
If not they will crawl back under their rocks.

I just keep an open mind so if it really comes it wont be a shocker.
And if it doesn't .....
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and what is there to keep an open mind about? If nibiru existed, there would be effects. There is a difference between believing something CAN exist and believing something DOES exist.

CAN nibiru exist? as described, not likely, but brown dwarves can and do exist.

Does nibiru exist? the massive lack of evidence, especially where one would expect it, says no. We also exclude black holes, or other stars existing in our solar system because of the lack of evidence.

We ARE talking about a mundane (in the sense that it is not degenerate or exotic matter) astronomical object here. its not like it follows the rules of the Lord of the Rings or something. Its basic physics.
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Dnnw i'm not an astronomer.
I'm just a simple ICT'err
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for GoodMen to do nothing.
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Is the reason people say it doesnt/cant exist based on physics?
"Just as you may have been born into a religion, so was Jesus. Like many peep, he looked *outside* that structured belief system for answers; the result of that became his teachings. Those original teachings were edited out of what you think of as the Bible. That which didn't scare people did not serve the church & its agenda"
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maybe we won't see it until we move into the 4th dimension
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we already exist in the 4th dimension. Its called time. We percieve it as a series of moments, instead of as another spatial dimension.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


Time is not a dimension. It is a chronological tagging of events. Human brains require time to keep things straight.

LO~UP
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time is more than just a label, its a consequence of the universe...
Row, row, row your boat...gently down the stream...merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is but a dream...
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227 days to go. Bitches.

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