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When can we expect to see NIBIRU/PLANET X with the naked eye

 
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In fact, only about 9% of stars in the stellar neighborhood have widely separated binaries (semi-major axis >200 AU), as "Nibiru" would be

This guy use to be a neighborhood organizer too.
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Correct.

The statistic that 80% of all stars are in binary sets, while true, is misleading, specifically because of this.

Thanks for that bit of info.
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Nothing wrong with being open to a Dark star or Brown dwarf binary for our Sun .However, this being said , attaching it to the Nibiru hypothesis is just wrong . This really needs to be clarified , the reason being is Nibiru heads would have a better try with a three body solution , namely Nibiru is a body orbiting our binary star, this is entirely poossible .
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this. FOR THE FUCKING WIN.
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Oh dagnabbit,

there were prizes involved?



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there is simply no gravitational evidence...



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Simply no gravitational evidence? What about the info put out in 1983 by astronomers that there was a massive object pulling other planets slightly out of there orbit? What about the info on every ancient text and religion. Yes i know its not the "norm" and im not saying its real or not but from a logical stand point it is more than realistic. It could have a highly eliptical 3000 yr orbit or smthn crazy. Wake up the gov will nt tell us shit alls we have it signs to look at like what are the govs doing...are they preparing on a large scale....FKKK YES THEY ARE! SO ITS BLUNTLY OBVIOUS "SOMETHING" IS SOON TO HAPPEN ON ANOTHER LEVEL THEN WE USED TOO
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the 1983 claim was debunked. the infrared data from the IRAS satellite ended up being 9 distant galaxies and a gas cloud, none of which are in our solar system. i dont think it was ever suggested that planets were out of their orbits.
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I assume if "Nibiru" is real, EVERYONE world wide will eventually see it with the naked eye. I am told it will look like a second sun in the sky.

When is this date?
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What date? What-the-fuck are you talking about?

Oh, did you believe Nancy Lieder? Didn't you get the memo yet? It was a fucking scam, NOTHING she said was real.

Oh, did you read the Sitchin's books and for some completely unfounded and random reason mixed it with the 'mayan' calendary? (yes, it's just a FUCKING calendary, not the 'end of times')

Or maybe (most probably), you just read a bunch of posts here and there and since you won't fucking bother (like the 99% here) to do a PROPER research in the subject, then somehow your pathetic and little mind believed it could be true...

Ok son, I have news for you.

THERE'S NO FUCKING NIBIRU and/or PLANET X coming to destroy us.
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Is the reason people say it doesnt/cant exist based on physics?
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Yes.

Real things have detectable properties.
Real celestial objects reflect light, have a temperature, and have mass that influences other objects.
They also have to follow Kepler's Laws.

Any object falling in from deep space, or in a highly eccentric orbit, that will arrive in Earth's neighbourhood before the end of this year would have been close enough to detect decades ago if it were anywhere close to planetary size.

Since we haven't Nibiru needs to have all kinds of properties that are inconsistent with any real object.
Transparent, massless, etc.

Nibirism is basically a believe in magic.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Who says our math us universal? Isn't it possible that on other planets our math is obsolete?

I'm not a Nibirutard, but is it POSSIBLE the reason we don't see anything or feel anything is because they're (?) Working with a completely different set of mathmatical rules?
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there is simply no gravitational evidence...



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Simply no gravitational evidence? What about the info put out in 1983 by astronomers that there was a massive object pulling other planets slightly out of there orbit? What about the info on every ancient text and religion. Yes i know its not the "norm" and im not saying its real or not but from a logical stand point it is more than realistic. It could have a highly eliptical 3000 yr orbit or smthn crazy. Wake up the gov will nt tell us shit alls we have it signs to look at like what are the govs doing...are they preparing on a large scale....FKKK YES THEY ARE! SO ITS BLUNTLY OBVIOUS "SOMETHING" IS SOON TO HAPPEN ON ANOTHER LEVEL THEN WE USED TOO
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no, there is no gravitational evidence to support a brown dwarf dipping into the mapped solar system. If it were visible and as bright as the religious texts report, there would have been some MAJOR gravitational disturbances that would have had effects on our orbit, along with damn near every other body in the inner solar system.

Brown dwarves are MASSIVE objects. Jupiter has a hell of a pull, and we are talking objects that START at 13 times the mass of jupiter.
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"Mapped" or inner solar system is the key phrase here.And also not only, Which I want to clarify does reduce the Nibiru theory (As far as brown dwarfs are concerned) to an absurdity . But as Brown dwarfs as small as 3 to 4 Jupiter masses have been found, which was once thought not possible, there is the possibility and some circumstantial evidence of our Suns binary when one examines periodic comets and Sednas orbit.However Nibirutards hijacking Brown and Whitemore without fully understanding it is just silly .
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The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?
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Simply no gravitational evidence? What about the info put out in 1983 by astronomers that there was a massive object pulling other planets slightly out of there orbit? What about the info on every ancient text and religion. Yes i know its not the "norm" and im not saying its real or not but from a logical stand point it is more than realistic. It could have a highly eliptical 3000 yr orbit or smthn crazy. Wake up the gov will nt tell us shit alls we have it signs to look at like what are the govs doing...are they preparing on a large scale....FKKK YES THEY ARE! SO ITS BLUNTLY OBVIOUS "SOMETHING" IS SOON TO HAPPEN ON ANOTHER LEVEL THEN WE USED TOO
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no, there is no gravitational evidence to support a brown dwarf dipping into the mapped solar system. If it were visible and as bright as the religious texts report, there would have been some MAJOR gravitational disturbances that would have had effects on our orbit, along with damn near every other body in the inner solar system.

Brown dwarves are MASSIVE objects. Jupiter has a hell of a pull, and we are talking objects that START at 13 times the mass of jupiter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10231506


"Mapped" or inner solar system is the key phrase here.And also not only, Which I want to clarify does reduce the Nibiru theory (As far as brown dwarfs are concerned) to an absurdity . But as Brown dwarfs as small as 3 to 4 Jupiter masses have been found, which was once thought not possible, there is the possibility and some circumstantial evidence of our Suns binary when one examines periodic comets and Sednas orbit.However Nibirutards hijacking Brown and Whitemore without fully understanding it is just silly .
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The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10231506


Just one of the many binary theories floating around in more mainstream science, I was speaking more about the Tyche paper, I believe you are referring to Nemesis, However am in no way trying to tie this to Nibiru as a 3600 year orbit. The conversation kinda evolved for me , because so many saying a Binary is not possible for our sun period, and that just is not true. What I was saying is a hypothetical Sedna type object that exists somewhere in between our Suns hypothetical binary and our Sun would be a more reasonable try for Nibiruheads, at least in a "mechanics" sense of the word. However it would have to be a lot longer than 3600 years in its orbit , and of course much much much smaller than a brown dwarf . Stretching my mind as open as I can basically to give some form of benefit of doubt .
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Is the reason people say it doesnt/cant exist based on physics?
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Yes.

Real things have detectable properties.
Real celestial objects reflect light, have a temperature, and have mass that influences other objects.
They also have to follow Kepler's Laws.

Any object falling in from deep space, or in a highly eccentric orbit, that will arrive in Earth's neighbourhood before the end of this year would have been close enough to detect decades ago if it were anywhere close to planetary size.

Since we haven't Nibiru needs to have all kinds of properties that are inconsistent with any real object.
Transparent, massless, etc.

Nibirism is basically a believe in magic.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Who says our math us universal? Isn't it possible that on other planets our math is obsolete?

I'm not a Nibirutard, but is it POSSIBLE the reason we don't see anything or feel anything is because they're (?) Working with a completely different set of mathmatical rules?
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Observation says that math is universal.

What you are trying to do is called special pleading.

"Special pleading is a form of spurious argumentation where a position in a dispute introduces favorable details or excludes unfavorable details by alleging a need to apply additional considerations without proper criticism of these considerations themselves. Essentially, this involves someone attempting to cite something as an exemption to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exemption"

The lack of evidence for its existence is not evidence FOR it being invisible or undetectable. Its a lack of evidence, and in this circumstance, evidence would be expected. The lack of evidence therefore is evidence of its absence.

(and yes, Carl Sagan was wrong on that one, when talking about cases where evidence is expected.)
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Lol.. I'm not trying to DO anything
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no, there is no gravitational evidence to support a brown dwarf dipping into the mapped solar system. If it were visible and as bright as the religious texts report, there would have been some MAJOR gravitational disturbances that would have had effects on our orbit, along with damn near every other body in the inner solar system.

Brown dwarves are MASSIVE objects. Jupiter has a hell of a pull, and we are talking objects that START at 13 times the mass of jupiter.
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"Mapped" or inner solar system is the key phrase here.And also not only, Which I want to clarify does reduce the Nibiru theory (As far as brown dwarfs are concerned) to an absurdity . But as Brown dwarfs as small as 3 to 4 Jupiter masses have been found, which was once thought not possible, there is the possibility and some circumstantial evidence of our Suns binary when one examines periodic comets and Sednas orbit.However Nibirutards hijacking Brown and Whitemore without fully understanding it is just silly .
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The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10231506


Just one of the many binary theories floating around in more mainstream science, I was speaking more about the Tyche paper, I believe you are referring to Nemesis, However am in no way trying to tie this to Nibiru as a 3600 year orbit. The conversation kinda evolved for me , because so many saying a Binary is not possible for our sun period, and that just is not true. What I was saying is a hypothetical Sedna type object that exists somewhere in between our Suns hypothetical binary and our Sun would be a more reasonable try for Nibiruheads, at least in a "mechanics" sense of the word. However it would have to be a lot longer than 3600 years in its orbit , and of course much much much smaller than a brown dwarf . Stretching my mind as open as I can basically to give some form of benefit of doubt .
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Tyche was the super jupiter at ~500 AU, yeah?

And an object such as the one you are describing in the attempt to give them the benefit of the doubt would have to have an orbital period on the order of tens of thousands of years, as Sedna's orbit is close to 12,000 on its own. The companion would have to be at LEAST that. and, again, I think we agree that this is not something that would be dipping into the inner solar system.

Also, while its POSSIBLE for there to be a binary companion, unless it is a brown dwarf, we would be able to see it, even if it were a red dwarf.
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Simply no gravitational evidence? What about the info put out in 1983 by astronomers that there was a massive object pulling other planets slightly out of there orbit? What about the info on every ancient text and religion. Yes i know its not the "norm" and im not saying its real or not but from a logical stand point it is more than realistic. It could have a highly eliptical 3000 yr orbit or smthn crazy. Wake up the gov will nt tell us shit alls we have it signs to look at like what are the govs doing...are they preparing on a large scale....FKKK YES THEY ARE! SO ITS BLUNTLY OBVIOUS "SOMETHING" IS SOON TO HAPPEN ON ANOTHER LEVEL THEN WE USED TOO
 Quoting: kcdub0184


no, there is no gravitational evidence to support a brown dwarf dipping into the mapped solar system. If it were visible and as bright as the religious texts report, there would have been some MAJOR gravitational disturbances that would have had effects on our orbit, along with damn near every other body in the inner solar system.

Brown dwarves are MASSIVE objects. Jupiter has a hell of a pull, and we are talking objects that START at 13 times the mass of jupiter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10231506


"Mapped" or inner solar system is the key phrase here.And also not only, Which I want to clarify does reduce the Nibiru theory (As far as brown dwarfs are concerned) to an absurdity . But as Brown dwarfs as small as 3 to 4 Jupiter masses have been found, which was once thought not possible, there is the possibility and some circumstantial evidence of our Suns binary when one examines periodic comets and Sednas orbit.However Nibirutards hijacking Brown and Whitemore without fully understanding it is just silly .
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The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?
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And you are correct not many longterm comets where used in this study, because not many that meet the criteria have been discovered . I think it is ten or so if I remember, I only said " some circumstantial evidence" did not make a pretense to the amount . You are missing the point I was trying to make . Serious scientists are looking at and have been looking the possibility of our Sun sharing a mutual orbit around a large mass object of some sort for quite some time, this is a known fact . There is various circumstantial support in different papers by different . So the points I was leading to is One cannot discount the possibility of our sun having some dead binary companion, it is not impossible,but this should not be attached to the Nibiru hypothesis in anyway but a three body solution. Nibiruheads would be a little more astronomically supported to attempt some form of three-body solution to their problem, instead of the argumentum ad ignorantiam that a brown dwarf comes into our inner solar system a 3600 years. Which of course is beyond absurd to be euphemistic . Any massive object will just not work for this problem
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"Mapped" or inner solar system is the key phrase here.And also not only, Which I want to clarify does reduce the Nibiru theory (As far as brown dwarfs are concerned) to an absurdity . But as Brown dwarfs as small as 3 to 4 Jupiter masses have been found, which was once thought not possible, there is the possibility and some circumstantial evidence of our Suns binary when one examines periodic comets and Sednas orbit.However Nibirutards hijacking Brown and Whitemore without fully understanding it is just silly .
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The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?
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Just one of the many binary theories floating around in more mainstream science, I was speaking more about the Tyche paper, I believe you are referring to Nemesis, However am in no way trying to tie this to Nibiru as a 3600 year orbit. The conversation kinda evolved for me , because so many saying a Binary is not possible for our sun period, and that just is not true. What I was saying is a hypothetical Sedna type object that exists somewhere in between our Suns hypothetical binary and our Sun would be a more reasonable try for Nibiruheads, at least in a "mechanics" sense of the word. However it would have to be a lot longer than 3600 years in its orbit , and of course much much much smaller than a brown dwarf . Stretching my mind as open as I can basically to give some form of benefit of doubt .
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Tyche was the super jupiter at ~500 AU, yeah?

And an object such as the one you are describing in the attempt to give them the benefit of the doubt would have to have an orbital period on the order of tens of thousands of years, as Sedna's orbit is close to 12,000 on its own. The companion would have to be at LEAST that. and, again, I think we agree that this is not something that would be dipping into the inner solar system.

Also, while its POSSIBLE for there to be a binary companion, unless it is a brown dwarf, we would be able to see it, even if it were a red dwarf.
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And as I say a 3600 year orbit would just not work, you are agreeing with me . and once again you agree I suggest a small brown dwarf, or dead star for this three body solution . I am just playing devils advocate I would like to add once again
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The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?
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Just one of the many binary theories floating around in more mainstream science, I was speaking more about the Tyche paper, I believe you are referring to Nemesis, However am in no way trying to tie this to Nibiru as a 3600 year orbit. The conversation kinda evolved for me , because so many saying a Binary is not possible for our sun period, and that just is not true. What I was saying is a hypothetical Sedna type object that exists somewhere in between our Suns hypothetical binary and our Sun would be a more reasonable try for Nibiruheads, at least in a "mechanics" sense of the word. However it would have to be a lot longer than 3600 years in its orbit , and of course much much much smaller than a brown dwarf . Stretching my mind as open as I can basically to give some form of benefit of doubt .
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Tyche was the super jupiter at ~500 AU, yeah?

And an object such as the one you are describing in the attempt to give them the benefit of the doubt would have to have an orbital period on the order of tens of thousands of years, as Sedna's orbit is close to 12,000 on its own. The companion would have to be at LEAST that. and, again, I think we agree that this is not something that would be dipping into the inner solar system.

Also, while its POSSIBLE for there to be a binary companion, unless it is a brown dwarf, we would be able to see it, even if it were a red dwarf.
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And as I say a 3600 year orbit would just not work, you are agreeing with me . and once again you agree I suggest a small brown dwarf, or dead star for this three body solution . I am just playing devils advocate I would like to add once again
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Also yes for anything to dip into the inner solar system and not leave " footprints" it would have to be much much much much smaller than what they claim.
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Maybe Nibiru is just a "rogue planet" the size of Mercury.

And it's in route for a collision with Earth...


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its not a brown dwarf
And its not a planet either

something unknown to science is coming this way
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Maybe Nibiru is just a "rogue planet" the size of Mercury.

And it's in route for a collision with Earth...


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It would still be visible, especially if it were going to hit "soon"
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its not a brown dwarf
And its not a planet either

something unknown to science is coming this way
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A big ball of "dark matter".

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Perhaps near Dec 21, 2012 when it comes up from the Southern regions of the Solar system...
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no, there is no gravitational evidence to support a brown dwarf dipping into the mapped solar system. If it were visible and as bright as the religious texts report, there would have been some MAJOR gravitational disturbances that would have had effects on our orbit, along with damn near every other body in the inner solar system.

Brown dwarves are MASSIVE objects. Jupiter has a hell of a pull, and we are talking objects that START at 13 times the mass of jupiter.
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"Mapped" or inner solar system is the key phrase here.And also not only, Which I want to clarify does reduce the Nibiru theory (As far as brown dwarfs are concerned) to an absurdity . But as Brown dwarfs as small as 3 to 4 Jupiter masses have been found, which was once thought not possible, there is the possibility and some circumstantial evidence of our Suns binary when one examines periodic comets and Sednas orbit.However Nibirutards hijacking Brown and Whitemore without fully understanding it is just silly .
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The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?
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And you are correct not many longterm comets where used in this study, because not many that meet the criteria have been discovered . I think it is ten or so if I remember, I only said " some circumstantial evidence" did not make a pretense to the amount . You are missing the point I was trying to make . Serious scientists are looking at and have been looking the possibility of our Sun sharing a mutual orbit around a large mass object of some sort for quite some time, this is a known fact . There is various circumstantial support in different papers by different . So the points I was leading to is One cannot discount the possibility of our sun having some dead binary companion, it is not impossible,but this should not be attached to the Nibiru hypothesis in anyway but a three body solution. Nibiruheads would be a little more astronomically supported to attempt some form of three-body solution to their problem, instead of the argumentum ad ignorantiam that a brown dwarf comes into our inner solar system a 3600 years. Which of course is beyond absurd to be euphemistic . Any massive object will just not work for this problem
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they are still talking about something that is supposed to hit "soon", but then claim that its undetectable.

Thats my issue. If it was real and the nibiruheads somehow have knowledge of it, it should be detectable, and trackable.

Instead, we simply get ignorant explanations or special pleading to explain why the skeptics cant find this thing.
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its not a brown dwarf
And its not a planet either

something unknown to science is coming this way
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How do you know? lets see the evidence...
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When?

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You won't be able to see "it"until it is right on top of us and even then it'll be so quick in most cases you won't know what hit you. Survivors will know that their world has been irrevocably changed, however and will adjust to life accordingly.
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so, a brown dwarf wont be visible until it is right on top of us....

Yeah, that makes sense.....

Please read the rest of the thread as to why you are wrong.
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You should read the rest of the info because it makes perfect sense. Nibiru is a brown dwarf aka it does not emit light like the sun or like most planeta...hints why they call it a dark star. He is saying by the time its close enough to the sun where light will reflect off of it..it will be rite here on our ass already causing destruction. I dont know if this nibiru or brown dwarf exists or not but based off ehat astronomers say we are finding more and more brown drawfs ona daily practiclly in our back yard so wake up.
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Just one of the many binary theories floating around in more mainstream science, I was speaking more about the Tyche paper, I believe you are referring to Nemesis, However am in no way trying to tie this to Nibiru as a 3600 year orbit. The conversation kinda evolved for me , because so many saying a Binary is not possible for our sun period, and that just is not true. What I was saying is a hypothetical Sedna type object that exists somewhere in between our Suns hypothetical binary and our Sun would be a more reasonable try for Nibiruheads, at least in a "mechanics" sense of the word. However it would have to be a lot longer than 3600 years in its orbit , and of course much much much smaller than a brown dwarf . Stretching my mind as open as I can basically to give some form of benefit of doubt .
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Tyche was the super jupiter at ~500 AU, yeah?

And an object such as the one you are describing in the attempt to give them the benefit of the doubt would have to have an orbital period on the order of tens of thousands of years, as Sedna's orbit is close to 12,000 on its own. The companion would have to be at LEAST that. and, again, I think we agree that this is not something that would be dipping into the inner solar system.

Also, while its POSSIBLE for there to be a binary companion, unless it is a brown dwarf, we would be able to see it, even if it were a red dwarf.
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And as I say a 3600 year orbit would just not work, you are agreeing with me . and once again you agree I suggest a small brown dwarf, or dead star for this three body solution . I am just playing devils advocate I would like to add once again
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Also yes for anything to dip into the inner solar system and not leave " footprints" it would have to be much much much much smaller than what they claim.
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oh yeah. We are talking about something maybe the size of mars or even mercury. Its possible.

But, once again, we should be able to see it. All we need is the information that the nibiru people say they have, like the ability to find it.
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Re: When can we expect to see NIBIRU/PLANET X with the naked eye
If they would stop the constant daily chemtrail bombardment you
Would be able to to clearly see planet x.

I've said it all along!!!..that's why they"re chemtrailing us!!
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If they would stop the constant daily chemtrail bombardment you
Would be able to to clearly see planet x.

I've said it all along!!!..that's why they"re chemtrailing us!!
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ssoooooo....the chemtrails block out planet x yet leave everything else in view??? this is your arguement?
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I believe we its what the post above states...we have a huge cloud of energy coming our way...that will cause a "change" but i feel it will be a good change...i think the elite are the only ones who should be worried. Even if it means death for us...will be a good thing either way. Unless ur scared of death which u shldnt be.
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Re: When can we expect to see NIBIRU/PLANET X with the naked eye
A believe not based on factual evidence is a religion.

Is the reason people say it doesnt/cant exist based on physics?
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Yes.

Real things have detectable properties.
Real celestial objects reflect light, have a temperature, and have mass that influences other objects.
They also have to follow Kepler's Laws.

Any object falling in from deep space, or in a highly eccentric orbit, that will arrive in Earth's neighbourhood before the end of this year would have been close enough to detect decades ago if it were anywhere close to planetary size.

Since we haven't Nibiru needs to have all kinds of properties that are inconsistent with any real object.
Transparent, massless, etc.

Nibirism is basically a believe in magic.
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Who says our math us universal? Isn't it possible that on other planets our math is obsolete?
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If gravity worked differently in the outer Solar system the outer Solar system objects would move differently from the way they do.


Perhaps near Dec 21, 2012 when it comes up from the Southern regions of the Solar system...
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As if we don't have a shitload of telescopes looking that way.
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Re: When can we expect to see NIBIRU/PLANET X with the naked eye
You won't be able to see "it"until it is right on top of us and even then it'll be so quick in most cases you won't know what hit you. Survivors will know that their world has been irrevocably changed, however and will adjust to life accordingly.
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so, a brown dwarf wont be visible until it is right on top of us....

Yeah, that makes sense.....

Please read the rest of the thread as to why you are wrong.
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You should read the rest of the info because it makes perfect sense. Nibiru is a brown dwarf aka it does not emit light like the sun or like most planeta...hints why they call it a dark star. He is saying by the time its close enough to the sun where light will reflect off of it..it will be rite here on our ass already causing destruction. I dont know if this nibiru or brown dwarf exists or not but based off ehat astronomers say we are finding more and more brown drawfs ona daily practiclly in our back yard so wake up.
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Planets dont emit light. They reflect light.

And a brown dwarf is BIG. Around the size of jupiter. and jupiter reflects a LOT of light, even though its 5 times the distance from the sun as us.

Not only that, but brown dwarves NECESSARILY emit infrared light, as their mass is constantly causing friction due to gravity.

Also, even "dead" stars like white dwarves, neutron stars and black holes are detectable, even over distances of many light years, as they emit light, or the matter interacting with them emits light.

Unless you are proposing a dark matter 'star', we would be able to detect a nibiru like object. And if it were a dark matter 'star' we wouldnt have to worry about an impact.
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Re: When can we expect to see NIBIRU/PLANET X with the naked eye
I just asked a question.


A believe not based on factual evidence is a religion.

Is the reason people say it doesnt/cant exist based on physics?
 Quoting: Cammi

Yes.

Real things have detectable properties.
Real celestial objects reflect light, have a temperature, and have mass that influences other objects.
They also have to follow Kepler's Laws.

Any object falling in from deep space, or in a highly eccentric orbit, that will arrive in Earth's neighbourhood before the end of this year would have been close enough to detect decades ago if it were anywhere close to planetary size.

Since we haven't Nibiru needs to have all kinds of properties that are inconsistent with any real object.
Transparent, massless, etc.

Nibirism is basically a believe in magic.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Who says our math us universal? Isn't it possible that on other planets our math is obsolete?
 Quoting: Cammi

If gravity worked differently in the outer Solar system the outer Solar system objects would move differently from the way they do.


Perhaps near Dec 21, 2012 when it comes up from the Southern regions of the Solar system...
 Quoting: Quasar

As if we don't have a shitload of telescopes looking that way.
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