When can we expect to see NIBIRU/PLANET X with the naked eye

Nothing wrong with being open to a Dark star or Brown dwarf binary for our Sun .However, this being said , attaching it to the Nibiru hypothesis is just wrong . This really needs to be clarified , the reason being is Nibiru heads would have a better try with a three body solution , namely Nibiru is a body orbiting our binary star, this is entirely poossible .

Oh dagnabbit,

there were prizes involved?



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the 1983 claim was debunked. the infrared data from the IRAS satellite ended up being 9 distant galaxies and a gas cloud, none of which are in our solar system. i dont think it was ever suggested that planets were out of their orbits.

What date? What-the-fuck are you talking about?

Oh, did you believe Nancy Lieder? Didn't you get the memo yet? It was a fucking scam, NOTHING she said was real.

Oh, did you read the Sitchin's books and for some completely unfounded and random reason mixed it with the 'mayan' calendary? (yes, it's just a FUCKING calendary, not the 'end of times')

Or maybe (most probably), you just read a bunch of posts here and there and since you won't fucking bother (like the 99% here) to do a PROPER research in the subject, then somehow your pathetic and little mind believed it could be true...

Ok son, I have news for you.

THERE'S NO FUCKING NIBIRU and/or PLANET X coming to destroy us.

remember this guy

Who says our math us universal? Isn't it possible that on other planets our math is obsolete?

I'm not a Nibirutard, but is it POSSIBLE the reason we don't see anything or feel anything is because they're (?) Working with a completely different set of mathmatical rules?

The comet thing isnt as regular as I think you are thinking. Are you talking about the hypothesis that also links the great extinctions on earth with the same cycle?

Just one of the many binary theories floating around in more mainstream science, I was speaking more about the Tyche paper, I believe you are referring to Nemesis, However am in no way trying to tie this to Nibiru as a 3600 year orbit. The conversation kinda evolved for me , because so many saying a Binary is not possible for our sun period, and that just is not true. What I was saying is a hypothetical Sedna type object that exists somewhere in between our Suns hypothetical binary and our Sun would be a more reasonable try for Nibiruheads, at least in a "mechanics" sense of the word. However it would have to be a lot longer than 3600 years in its orbit , and of course much much much smaller than a brown dwarf . Stretching my mind as open as I can basically to give some form of benefit of doubt .

Observation says that math is universal.

What you are trying to do is called special pleading.

"Special pleading is a form of spurious argumentation where a position in a dispute introduces favorable details or excludes unfavorable details by alleging a need to apply additional considerations without proper criticism of these considerations themselves. Essentially, this involves someone attempting to cite something as an exemption to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exemption"

The lack of evidence for its existence is not evidence FOR it being invisible or undetectable. Its a lack of evidence, and in this circumstance, evidence would be expected. The lack of evidence therefore is evidence of its absence.

(and yes, Carl Sagan was wrong on that one, when talking about cases where evidence is expected.)

Lol.. I'm not trying to DO anything

Tyche was the super jupiter at ~500 AU, yeah?

And an object such as the one you are describing in the attempt to give them the benefit of the doubt would have to have an orbital period on the order of tens of thousands of years, as Sedna's orbit is close to 12,000 on its own. The companion would have to be at LEAST that. and, again, I think we agree that this is not something that would be dipping into the inner solar system.

Also, while its POSSIBLE for there to be a binary companion, unless it is a brown dwarf, we would be able to see it, even if it were a red dwarf.

And you are correct not many longterm comets where used in this study, because not many that meet the criteria have been discovered . I think it is ten or so if I remember, I only said " some circumstantial evidence" did not make a pretense to the amount . You are missing the point I was trying to make . Serious scientists are looking at and have been looking the possibility of our Sun sharing a mutual orbit around a large mass object of some sort for quite some time, this is a known fact . There is various circumstantial support in different papers by different . So the points I was leading to is One cannot discount the possibility of our sun having some dead binary companion, it is not impossible,but this should not be attached to the Nibiru hypothesis in anyway but a three body solution. Nibiruheads would be a little more astronomically supported to attempt some form of three-body solution to their problem, instead of the argumentum ad ignorantiam that a brown dwarf comes into our inner solar system a 3600 years. Which of course is beyond absurd to be euphemistic . Any massive object will just not work for this problem

And as I say a 3600 year orbit would just not work, you are agreeing with me . and once again you agree I suggest a small brown dwarf, or dead star for this three body solution . I am just playing devils advocate I would like to add once again

Also yes for anything to dip into the inner solar system and not leave " footprints" it would have to be much much much much smaller than what they claim.

Maybe Nibiru is just a "rogue planet" the size of Mercury.

And it's in route for a collision with Earth...

its not a brown dwarf
And its not a planet either

something unknown to science is coming this way

It would still be visible, especially if it were going to hit "soon"

A big ball of "dark matter".

Perhaps near Dec 21, 2012 when it comes up from the Southern regions of the Solar system...

they are still talking about something that is supposed to hit "soon", but then claim that its undetectable.

Thats my issue. If it was real and the nibiruheads somehow have knowledge of it, it should be detectable, and trackable.

Instead, we simply get ignorant explanations or special pleading to explain why the skeptics cant find this thing.

How do you know? lets see the evidence...

When?

Never.

You should read the rest of the info because it makes perfect sense. Nibiru is a brown dwarf aka it does not emit light like the sun or like most planeta...hints why they call it a dark star. He is saying by the time its close enough to the sun where light will reflect off of it..it will be rite here on our ass already causing destruction. I dont know if this nibiru or brown dwarf exists or not but based off ehat astronomers say we are finding more and more brown drawfs ona daily practiclly in our back yard so wake up.

oh yeah. We are talking about something maybe the size of mars or even mercury. Its possible.

But, once again, we should be able to see it. All we need is the information that the nibiru people say they have, like the ability to find it.

If they would stop the constant daily chemtrail bombardment you
Would be able to to clearly see planet x.

I've said it all along!!!..that's why they"re chemtrailing us!!

ssoooooo....the chemtrails block out planet x yet leave everything else in view??? this is your arguement?

I believe we its what the post above states...we have a huge cloud of energy coming our way...that will cause a "change" but i feel it will be a good change...i think the elite are the only ones who should be worried. Even if it means death for us...will be a good thing either way. Unless ur scared of death which u shldnt be.

A believe not based on factual evidence is a religion.


If gravity worked differently in the outer Solar system the outer Solar system objects would move differently from the way they do.



As if we don't have a shitload of telescopes looking that way.


Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 05/07/2012 01:56 PM

Planets dont emit light. They reflect light.

And a brown dwarf is BIG. Around the size of jupiter. and jupiter reflects a LOT of light, even though its 5 times the distance from the sun as us.

Not only that, but brown dwarves NECESSARILY emit infrared light, as their mass is constantly causing friction due to gravity.

Also, even "dead" stars like white dwarves, neutron stars and black holes are detectable, even over distances of many light years, as they emit light, or the matter interacting with them emits light.

Unless you are proposing a dark matter 'star', we would be able to detect a nibiru like object. And if it were a dark matter 'star' we wouldnt have to worry about an impact.

I just asked a question.